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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: potzy248 on November 16, 2015, 07:11:34 AM
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/74094817/dirk-nannes-rips-into-australias-horrendous-sportsmanship-after-ross-taylors-knock.html (http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/74094817/dirk-nannes-rips-into-australias-horrendous-sportsmanship-after-ross-taylors-knock.html)
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SHOCK HORROR
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Didn't expect anything less from the Australian team. Its been like this for quite a while
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It's not just the Aussies, although they are the worst.. On a Saturday afternoon at amateur level it's treated like its life and death too remember, abuse, sorry 'banter' and all that.. Seems to be a widly held belief that to play hard and be competitive you have to play like idiots rather than with a smile and be friendly. Tbh, it's a crock ofmcrap but that is what's believed
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I think the problem with international teams doing it is that club players decide it's acceptable.
We had a couple of guys make a hundred each chasing 30 and odd last season. The first guy to get there got clapped by one of the opposition, and the second to bring up his ton wasn't acknowledged by the oppo.
The bit that really grinds my gears is people leaving straight after the game, it doesn't take long to shake hands with the opposition does it! There's no excuse for ignorance at any level!
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Well done to Ross Taylor on gritting the highest score by a New Zealand batsman away from home.
Also goes to prove what i wrote in a previous post Arrogant Aussies.
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I thought in general in international cricket it's improved (exceptions being Australia of course). Any time someone scored in the pak vs eng series the whole opposition shook their hand as they walked off, same in the SA vs ind series.
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The bit that really grinds my gears is people leaving straight after the game, it doesn't take long to shake hands with the opposition does it! There's no excuse for ignorance at any level!
Couldn't agree more with this. I'm captain at our club and I always encourage our lads to stand by the entrance to the Pavillion if we've batted 2nd so that the oppo have to walk right past us and therefore hopefully can't get away from a hand shake. I just think it's common courtesy.
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I think the problem with international teams doing it is that club players decide it's acceptable.
We had a couple of guys make a hundred each chasing 30 and odd last season. The first guy to get there got clapped by one of the opposition, and the second to bring up his ton wasn't acknowledged by the oppo.
The bit that really grinds my gears is people leaving straight after the game, it doesn't take long to shake hands with the opposition does it! There's no excuse for ignorance at any level!
I'll admit to not clapping or congratulating a dirty innings because, well.. It's luck half the time rather than skilful shots. Just hitting on the up etc but then I do like proper shots etc
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Lets just clear something up front, yes I'm an Australian and I'll admit a bias.
However, i think its worth just checking on something.
Do you sacrifice congratulating an effort of someone in your own team, just to rub the ego, sorry, shake hands of the guy who just got out after a big score?
The sub fielder took a pretty good, hard catch, in the outfield of the WACA yesterday. Should the Australians have ignored his effort, leaving him in the outfield all by himself and have rushed to Taylor instead, who on his own admission, was out of there as fast as he could?
Call it arrogant if you like, but my view is supporting the efforts of your team mates first and then the opposition second.
Having not played cricket anywhere other than Australia i can't comment to what other countries do.
However, there is an unspoken rule to play hard on the field, with the opposition being an enemy of sorts. While on the oval, there isn't being friendly. There is a line with language, offensive gestures and direct offence that you don't overstep.
But what happens on the field stays on the field.
At the end of the game, everyone shakes hands and 9/10 you share a few beers as one group, not as two opposing teams.
I guess what i'm trying to say, is just because you don't 'shake the guys hand' as he is walking off the field, doesn't mean you don't respect his innings, or value the contribution they have made.
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Make a mountain out of a molehill. Taylor rushed off the field. No harm, no foul.
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Make a mountain out of a molehill. Taylor rushed off the field. No harm, no foul.
Hang on a second, you're not suggesting the media have made a big hype just to sell newspapers!
They would never do that! lol
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That just sums up Aussies attitude. Thats the way they do things and it has been successful for them. Each to their own.
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Boringgggggggg... Let's get the tissues out
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Boringgggggggg... Let's get the tissues out
I read that as "dammit I have no video of Stuart broad as a comeback, let's call them all cry babies instead"
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http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-sportsmanship-new-zealand-ross-taylor-adam-voges-dirk-nannes/2015-11-16 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/australia-sportsmanship-new-zealand-ross-taylor-adam-voges-dirk-nannes/2015-11-16)
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Talk about poor sportsmanship shown by the Kiwis! Did you see them when Mitchell Johnson came out to bat? They formed two lines and made him walk between them (presumably to sledge him mercilessly one last time!). Poor form chaps! ;)
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I read that as "dammit I have no video of Stuart broad as a comeback, let's call them all cry babies instead"
;)
http://youtu.be/3EnEfYvEZ4s (http://youtu.be/3EnEfYvEZ4s)
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Lets just clear something up front, yes I'm an Australian and I'll admit a bias.
However, i think its worth just checking on something.
Do you sacrifice congratulating an effort of someone in your own team, just to rub the ego, sorry, shake hands of the guy who just got out after a big score?
The sub fielder took a pretty good, hard catch, in the outfield of the WACA yesterday. Should the Australians have ignored his effort, leaving him in the outfield all by himself and have rushed to Taylor instead, who on his own admission, was out of there as fast as he could?
Call it arrogant if you like, but my view is supporting the efforts of your team mates first and then the opposition second.
Having not played cricket anywhere other than Australia i can't comment to what other countries do.
However, there is an unspoken rule to play hard on the field, with the opposition being an enemy of sorts. While on the oval, there isn't being friendly. There is a line with language, offensive gestures and direct offence that you don't overstep.
But what happens on the field stays on the field.
At the end of the game, everyone shakes hands and 9/10 you share a few beers as one group, not as two opposing teams.
I guess what i'm trying to say, is just because you don't 'shake the guys hand' as he is walking off the field, doesn't mean you don't respect his innings, or value the contribution they have made.
Again, why do role think playing hard means open war, rudeness, sledging etc? As NZ show, you can be as hard and as competitive without any of that. That's why it's uncalled for and unnecessary. It's purely showing each playermformwhat they are, arrogant egos
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I agree with ProCricketer
I just wish more teams playing for club level realised that "playing hard" doesn't mean act aggressively or behaving like a bunck of helmets!
Our former 2nd team skipper always used to tell us "I have no problen with you getting stuck into the game, but don't even think about getting stuck into the opposition - cricket is more civilised than that".
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Having played against quite a few overseas players I think its just the Aussie way on the field
Most of the ones ive come across have been like this as that is the way they are raised to play the game we are raised to play it our way
We call them arrogant they call us wimps but we are more gentlemanly than they are ;)
will say nearly all were different in the bar afterwards bit like Jekyll and hyde
Can't say I like it as more and more players starting to do it and it puts me off playing certain sides as I just don't need or want it at my age
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Having played against quite a few overseas players I think its just the Aussie way on the field
Most of the ones ive come across have been like this as that is the way they are raised to play the game we are raised to play it our way
We call them arrogant they call us wimps but we are more gentlemanly than they are ;)
will say nearly all were different in the bar afterwards bit like Jekyll and hyde
Can't say I like it as more and more players starting to do it and it puts me off playing certain sides as I just don't need or want it at my age
Have a cup of concrete and harden up wimp ;)
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Have a cup of concrete and harden up wimp ;)
Ahhhhhhhh that's why the Aussies have bricks for brains
Thanks for clearing that up
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The Aussie team is an easy target and it is a bit overblown. Not nearly as bad as they are made out to be.
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Ahhhhhhhh that's why the Aussies have bricks for brains
Thanks for clearing that up
Without naming any names, I think some Aussies (particularly thinking of one in England!) must have eaten feces instead of concrete... ;)
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Granted the most abuse I've had on the field was from South Africans so Aussies in 2nd place for me at amateur level
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Ahhhhhhhh that's why the Aussies have bricks for brains
Thanks for clearing that up
Yet to play against an Aussie that hasn't left his brain and foul mouth in the Changeing room.
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Yet to play against an Aussie that hasn't left his brain and foul mouth in the Changeing room.
Glad to see my boys are holding up their end of the bargain
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Ahhhhhhhh that's why the Aussies have bricks for brains
Thanks for clearing that up
Aren't there two requirements to be an Australian cricketer or Australian cricket fan......:
1. A protruding lower lip; &
2. The ability to drag your knuckles on the ground behind you.
Pretty sure most of us aren't that long out of the trees ;)
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I thought the 2 things to be an aussie fan was
1. ability to swear like a trooper
2. ability to drink all day without falling down
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It's a beat up, this would have to be the most timid Aussie team for 50 years. I gotta say I am not a fan of blokes getting all touchy feely and sensitive towards the opposition when they are playing for their country.
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I thought the 2 things to be an aussie fan was
1. ability to swear like a trooper
2. ability to drink all day without falling down
And 2 things to be an English cricketer:
1. To be able to share team secrets with the opposition.
2. Roll over and kiss the captain goodnight ;)
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to be an English cricketer
1. be from the right school/backround
2.not have an opinion and be ready to spoon if asked
if your going to insult us get it right
drink some more concrete it will come
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Imagine the sooking if Lillee, Thomson and Border were still playing.
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Lets just clear something up front, yes I'm an Australian and I'll admit a bias.
However, i think its worth just checking on something.
Do you sacrifice congratulating an effort of someone in your own team, just to rub the ego, sorry, shake hands of the guy who just got out after a big score?
The sub fielder took a pretty good, hard catch, in the outfield of the WACA yesterday. Should the Australians have ignored his effort, leaving him in the outfield all by himself and have rushed to Taylor instead, who on his own admission, was out of there as fast as he could?
Call it arrogant if you like, but my view is supporting the efforts of your team mates first and then the opposition second.
Having not played cricket anywhere other than Australia i can't comment to what other countries do.
However, there is an unspoken rule to play hard on the field, with the opposition being an enemy of sorts. While on the oval, there isn't being friendly. There is a line with language, offensive gestures and direct offence that you don't overstep.
But what happens on the field stays on the field.
At the end of the game, everyone shakes hands and 9/10 you share a few beers as one group, not as two opposing teams.
I guess what i'm trying to say, is just because you don't 'shake the guys hand' as he is walking off the field, doesn't mean you don't respect his innings, or value the contribution they have made.
So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!
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Looks like Taylor and lehmann had a laugh about it:
https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Having played in a lot of cricket in both england and australia, i don't think there is a lot of difference in how the teams go about there game. There is a big difference in how a lot of people conduct thereself on the pitch. I have found the good players don't need to be all mouth and no trousers, they just give the odd look and come out with the odd coment. Where as the lesser players feel they must shout and ball to try to feel on top, because they cannot do this with their skill levels.
The biggest difference from england to australia was the attitude towards the game and training. In england most clubs net once maybe twice a week (and maybe a little on a saturday before a game). At the clubs in australia i have played, they were netting a minimum of twice a week, have a fitness sessiononce a week and also have a team meeting about the next team you will play in the next match. (hope that made sense) :-[
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Having played in a lot of cricket in both england and australia, i don't think there is a lot of difference in how the teams go about there game. There is a big difference in how a lot of people conduct thereself on the pitch. I have found the good players don't need to be all mouth and no trousers, they just give the odd look and come out with the odd coment. Where as the lesser players feel they must shout and ball to try to feel on top, because they cannot do this with their skill levels.
The biggest difference from england to australia was the attitude towards the game and training. In england most clubs net once maybe twice a week (and maybe a little on a saturday before a game). At the clubs in australia i have played, they were netting a minimum of twice a week, have a fitness sessiononce a week and also have a team meeting about the next team you will play in the next match. (hope that made sense) :-[
Haven't played in Aus but you would think at the higher levels of English club cricket they would take it that seriously. Always amazes me that top club sides in England have players who may not even net once a week.
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To quote Hemingway:
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
I think a possible broader point here is about how/why the game is played. I will admit that though I am totally committed to my team winning and will put in 100% to help them win, I also play to be better than my personal last game.
A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.
I am personally in total objection to this point, though I don't think many Australians will share this opinion. I also do not think it is something that we should model for youngsters - I certainly am not teaching this to my children.
Playing with dignity, with a sense of ethics and morals is vital to me. It does not take away my commitment or ability to compete if I am not vicious or sledging on the field. My competition is vicious, and my effort and ability is totally there, but I will not demonstrate this outwardly, in a mean way. I will demonstrate it with skill (I wish) and effort (more usually).
Going down the road of intimidation and sledging and being rude or mean is debasing myself as a human as far as I am concerned. If you have convinced yourself that this is what competition is, and you are willing to be seen that way by others, so be it. I see this as lowly behaviour, not competitiveness. I may not voice that to you on the pitch, because I'm not there to voice my opinion on your behaviour, I'm there to:
1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society
There is no reason, to me, one can't congratulate a phenomenal effort (e.g. scoring 290) and still be committed to one's own team - you are furthering the cause of the sport overall with decent behaviour, and keeping lowly behaviour (IMHO) out of the game.
My tuppence - sorry it was so long. And sorry if it comes across pompous - not my intention at all.
cheers
rbanners
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To quote Hemingway:
“There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
I think a possible broader point here is about how/why the game is played. I will admit that though I am totally committed to my team winning and will put in 100% to help them win, I also play to be better than my personal last game.
A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.
I am personally in total objection to this point, though I don't think many Australians will share this opinion. I also do not think it is something that we should model for youngsters - I certainly am not teaching this to my children.
Playing with dignity, with a sense of ethics and morals is vital to me. It does not take away my commitment or ability to compete if I am not vicious or sledging on the field. My competition is vicious, and my effort and ability is totally there, but I will not demonstrate this outwardly, in a mean way. I will demonstrate it with skill (I wish) and effort (more usually).
Going down the road of intimidation and sledging and being rude or mean is debasing myself as a human as far as I am concerned. If you have convinced yourself that this is what competition is, and you are willing to be seen that way by others, so be it. I see this as lowly behaviour, not competitiveness. I may not voice that to you on the pitch, because I'm not there to voice my opinion on your behaviour, I'm there to:
1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society
There is no reason, to me, one can't congratulate a phenomenal effort (e.g. scoring 290) and still be committed to one's own team - you are furthering the cause of the sport overall with decent behaviour, and keeping lowly behaviour (IMHO) out of the game.
My tuppence - sorry it was so long. And sorry if it comes across pompous - not my intention at all.
cheers
rbanners
Excellent post Like yourself cannot
see the Aussies agreeing with the morals ethics and dignity on the field Being vital though
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Looks like Taylor and lehmann had a laugh about it:
https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Am I the only one who zoomed into the photo to see more of the kit lying around?
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Am I the only one who zoomed into the photo to see more of the kit lying around?
Looks like someone's enjoying a nice glass of red as well, how very refined!
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So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!
Crikey! You'd be taking your life into your own hands trying to 'pat someone on the back' after he got out in some of the Australian comps.
You're more likely to get flattered than get cred for good sportsmanship.
I guess it highlights a difference of opinion, which isn't a bad thing.
It shows we care about the marvellous game, no mater your view on the 'spirit of the game'.
Anyhow, good on you old chaps for taking such high moral ground on the subject, but I'm off to sledging training. :o
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The bit that really grinds my gears is people leaving straight after the game, it doesn't take long to shake hands with the opposition does it! There's no excuse for ignorance at any level!
Absolutely agree with you. I am seeing the same behavior with new T20 teams in my league. We always opted to bat first and ended up on the winning side. As and when each opponent player gets out, he picks up his kit and goes home. At the end of the game even the captain/vice-cap is not around to finish off the presentation ! Bunch of arrogant little brats ... >:(
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A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.
I'm there to:
1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society
Very well said ... Sad that aussies don't believe in this philosophy. "Winning at all costs" => Seems way to arrogant to me ... :(
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They are paid to win, if they were losing everything you watch how the media would treat them for being to soft. Making judgements about peoples morality based such minor things on a cricket field seems way to arrogant to me.
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Are they paid to win?
I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.
I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.
If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.
So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.
There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners
Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...
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Are they paid to win?
I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.
I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.
If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.
So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.
There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners
Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...
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Of course they are paid to win... If they win they get paid more... If they lose they get paid less.....
If you had a job where you get paid on commission would you be happy with no sales and getting paid minimum or would you do everything in your power to make that sale and earn more money
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Are they paid to win?
I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.
I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.
If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.
So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.
There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners
Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...
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I think we are becoming too precious as a society, surely if anyone was offended and thought it was a horrendous show of sportsmanship it would be Ross Taylor? Every country has had issues on the field at some stage, Australia are an easy target because they have been successful.
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and yes they are paid to win, no win no job.
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Players are paid to try and win but winning in the right way matters not lets win anyway we can the Australian way.
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and yes they are paid to win, no win no job.
If this is true, then a great individual performance but a loss in the match = no job? No further selection? I don't see that happening. Teams would change a lot in that case.
My understanding of central contracts was a yearly "salary" then match fee then "bonus" for winning?
Can anyone clarify this?
Renewal of contracts is based on performances - player by player is it not?
rbanners
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Players are paid to try and win but winning in the right way matters not lets win anyway we can the Australian way.
I suppose that's why we came up with bodyline....
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Why are you guys assuming that trying to win, and shaking Taylor's hand are mutually exclusive???
You try your best to win...you sledge..you give it all. And then, you congratulate your opponent on a good game. Pretty straightforward imo.
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Why are you guys assuming that trying to win, and shaking Taylor's hand are mutually exclusive???
You try your best to win...you sledge..you give it all. And then, you congratulate your opponent on a good game. Pretty straightforward imo.
I agree and I imagine they would have congratulated him at the end of the day, it really is a non issue bar for a few people with massive inferiority complexes.
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So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!
The sub was a LOCAL KID. I don't think he even plays first class cricket.
Secondly, the catch was take ON THE BOUNDARY on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GROUND TO WHERE THE PAVILION IS.
It would have required the Aussie players to ignore the clubby who took the fine catch and CHASE AFTER the departing Taylor.
ALL Taylor's milestones were applauded by the Aussie players....100, 150, 200, 250.
Taylor thought it a non issue.
The 9 Commentators the next day thought it a non issue.
Dirk Nannes is desperate for relevance.
So, he makes an outlandish statement that is seized upon by Aussie hating Indians and English supporters on Facebook and other social media...yet, it wasn't at all supported by anyone in the New Zealand camp.
In fact, this series has largely been played in excellent spirits an this is the most timid Aussie line up I have seen in my 40 plus years of cricket watching.
Smith
Burns
Khawaja
Voges
Neville
Marsh
Lyon
Hazelwood
Johnson
...are the nicest, most affable guys you could ever hope to meet.
That leaves motor mouth Warner (who has been on good behaviour in recent times) and Starc as the aggressors.
That is not a scary, nor boorish line up.
The usual Aussie haters are barking up the wrong tree I am afraid.
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when I get out, even if I have scored over 150 I am usually far too grumpy to want to shake anyone's hand... just a different perspective on this. Not that I am playing a decent standard of cricket.
I was listening to the Nannes rant yesterday morning and I totally got what he was saying, only some of the media are squeezing some column inches about it now.
Personally I think it is an issue ready for holding my chip's with some salt and vinegar.
Smith is a young and inexperienced captain, my guess is that his approach in future will change. Having captained a young and side in the past, you make mistakes in the heat of the moment and you learn from them. A quite nudge would have worked just as effectively as a rant.
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when I get out, even if I have scored over 150 I am usually far too grumpy to want to shake anyone's hand... just a different perspective on this. Not that I am playing a decent standard of cricket.
I was listening to the Nannes rant yesterday morning and I totally got what he was saying, only some of the media are squeezing some column inches about it now.
Personally I think it is an issue ready for holding my chip's with some salt and vinegar.
Smith is a young and inexperienced captain, my guess is that his approach in future will change. Having captained a young and side in the past, you make mistakes in the heat of the moment and you learn from them. A quite nudge would have worked just as effectively as a rant.
Smiths approach change in thr future ? more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket.
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The other day Smith was picking his nose on the field...terrible behavior yet again.
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The sub was a LOCAL KID. I don't think he even plays first class cricket.
Secondly, the catch was take ON THE BOUNDARY on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GROUND TO WHERE THE PAVILION IS.
It would have required the Aussie players to ignore the clubby who took the fine catch and CHASE AFTER the departing Taylor.
May be wrong and its pretty irrelevant but wasn't it Ryan Duffield who I think is 28? (And trying to get a county to move over to England to next season).
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Duffield, the guy who bowled the ball Maxwell left?
He played club cricket in Hampshire the season just gone (and took a 9-fer against my club's 1st XI)
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Of course they are paid to win... If they win they get paid more... If they lose they get paid less.....
If you had a job where you get paid on commission would you be happy with no sales and getting paid minimum or would you do everything in your power to make that sale and earn more money
I would like to clarify a few things if anyone is still interested:
1. I am not hating on Australians. I am trying to discuss a point of view and have a broader discussion about how/why we play cricket.
2. I am not suggesting anyone change their behaviour.
3. I am trying to discuss and exchange views and to understand where these views come from.
This point that you raise that I am quoting is specifically where I depart from. I would not do everything in my power to make that sale and make that money because to me, some acts may be within my power that my morals and ethics suggest I not do, and I will not do them, certainly not to "make a sale or money". To me, my integrity has no price. This may be pompous or high and mighty, and I will accept that criticism. I mean noone any harm and make no ill comment toward anyone regarding it. I am not trying to put myself above anyone either.
If this means doing something that isn't against your morals, then you are of course fine.
But it does not mean you have to agree with me, or I have to agree with you, or one of us is more right than the other. I am happy to discuss why I think what I think. This is what I was trying to get to, not bad mouth Australians, or anyone else.
Cheers
rbanners
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Duffield, the guy who bowled the ball Maxwell left?
He played club cricket in Hampshire the season just gone (and took a 9-fer against my club's 1st XI)
Yeh South Wilts wasn't it? He did some commentary on radio solent for Hampshire (and actually ended up doing some sub fielding due to injuries) games this season and said he was possibly looking for a county next season as he qualifies as a local in some way. Quite sure it was him.