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[skip1973]

They are paid to win, if they were losing everything you watch how the media would treat them for being to soft. Making judgements about peoples morality based such minor things on a cricket field seems way to arrogant to me.

[rbanners]

Are they paid to win?

I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.

I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.

If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.

So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.

There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners

Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...

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[Number4]

Are they paid to win?

I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.

I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.

If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.

So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.

There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners

Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...

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Of course they are paid to win... If they win they get paid more... If they lose they get paid less.....

If you had a job where you get paid on commission would you be happy with no sales and getting paid minimum or would you do everything in your power to make that sale and earn more money

[skip1973]

Are they paid to win?

I suppose this is where the difference of opinion may start.

I believe they are paid to play cricket, represent their country, and compete with all their ability and effort.

If this results in a win - great. If it doesn't, it's probably worth examining if there were deficiencies in your abilities (preparation, tactics, technique, team selection etc) or efforts.

So I see the win as a result of what I am there to do, not the sole thing to achieve and certainly not the only thing you might be paid for which is what I tried to say.

There is of course more than one opinion here, and you're right to say that my judgement isn't worth anything. But I thought the Australians would be the first to say that representing their country is not a minor thing?
rbanners

Edit: and who says when we are and are not judged by our actions and words? Isn't that the problem with morals and ethics - you can't ever really switch them off? We're veering into philosophical or for some religious discussion here...

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I think we are becoming too precious as a society, surely if anyone was offended and thought it was a horrendous show of sportsmanship it would be Ross Taylor? Every country has had issues on the field at some stage, Australia are an easy target because they have been successful.

[skip1973]

and yes they are paid to win, no win no job.

[Seniorplayer]

Players are paid to try and win but winning in  the right way matters not lets win anyway we can  the Australian way.

[rbanners]

and yes they are paid to win, no win no job.

If this is true, then a great individual performance but a loss in the match = no job? No further selection? I don't see that happening. Teams would change a lot in that case.

My understanding of central contracts was a yearly "salary" then match fee then "bonus" for winning?

Can anyone clarify this?

Renewal of contracts is based on performances - player by player is it not?

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[skip1973]

Players are paid to try and win but winning in  the right way matters not lets win anyway we can  the Australian way.

I suppose that's why we came up with bodyline....

[brokenbat]

Why are you guys assuming that trying to win, and shaking Taylor's hand are mutually exclusive???

You try your best to win...you sledge..you give it all. And then, you congratulate your opponent on a good game. Pretty straightforward imo.

[skip1973]

Why are you guys assuming that trying to win, and shaking Taylor's hand are mutually exclusive???

You try your best to win...you sledge..you give it all. And then, you congratulate your opponent on a good game. Pretty straightforward imo.

I agree and I imagine they would have congratulated him at the end of the day, it really is a non issue bar for a few people with massive inferiority complexes.

[Vic Nicholas]

So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!

The sub was a LOCAL KID. I don't think he even plays first class cricket.

Secondly, the catch was take ON THE BOUNDARY on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GROUND TO WHERE THE PAVILION IS.

It would have required the Aussie players to ignore the clubby who took the fine catch and CHASE AFTER the departing Taylor.

ALL Taylor's milestones were applauded by the Aussie players....100, 150, 200, 250.

Taylor thought it a non issue.

The 9 Commentators the next day thought it a non issue.

Dirk Nannes is desperate for relevance.

So, he makes an outlandish statement that is seized upon by Aussie hating Indians and English supporters on Facebook and other social media...yet, it wasn't at all supported by anyone in the New Zealand camp.

In fact, this series has largely been played in excellent spirits an this is the most timid Aussie line up I have seen in my 40 plus years of cricket watching.

Smith
Burns
Khawaja
Voges
Neville
Marsh
Lyon
Hazelwood
Johnson
...are the nicest, most affable guys you could ever hope to meet.

That leaves motor mouth Warner (who has been on good behaviour in recent times) and Starc as the aggressors.

That is not a scary, nor boorish line up.

The usual Aussie haters are barking up the wrong tree I am afraid.

[Buzz]

when I get out, even if I have scored over 150 I am usually far too grumpy to want to shake anyone's hand... just a different perspective on this. Not that I am playing a decent standard of cricket.

I was listening to the Nannes rant yesterday morning and I totally got what he was saying, only some of the media are squeezing some column inches about it now.

Personally I think it is an issue ready for holding my chip's with some salt and vinegar.

Smith is a young and inexperienced captain, my guess is that his approach in future will change. Having captained a young and side in the past, you make mistakes in the heat of the moment and you learn from them. A quite nudge would have worked just as effectively as a rant.

[Seniorplayer]

when I get out, even if I have scored over 150 I am usually far too grumpy to want to shake anyone's hand... just a different perspective on this. Not that I am playing a decent standard of cricket.

I was listening to the Nannes rant yesterday morning and I totally got what he was saying, only some of the media are squeezing some column inches about it now.

Personally I think it is an issue ready for holding my chip's with some salt and vinegar.

Smith is a young and inexperienced captain, my guess is that his approach in future will change. Having captained a young and side in the past, you make mistakes in the heat of the moment and you learn from them. A quite nudge would have worked just as effectively as a rant.

Smiths  approach change in thr future ? more chance of winning the lottery without buying a ticket.

[brokenbat]

The other day Smith was picking his nose on the field...terrible behavior yet again.

[Sam]

The sub was a LOCAL KID. I don't think he even plays first class cricket.

Secondly, the catch was take ON THE BOUNDARY on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE GROUND TO WHERE THE PAVILION IS.

It would have required the Aussie players to ignore the clubby who took the fine catch and CHASE AFTER the departing Taylor.

May be wrong and its pretty irrelevant but wasn't it Ryan Duffield who I think is 28? (And trying to get a county to move over to England to next season).