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General Cricket => World Cricket => Pakistan => Topic started by: Aussie In England on November 21, 2015, 11:44:26 PM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942753.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942753.html)
KP doesn't think so
http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942739.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942739.html)
Hafeez rejected a BPL deal as he didn't want to play with Amir
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I don't think anyone who's had the privelidge to play at the highest level and gone and done that should be allowed to play pro cricket again. How can team mates, coaches, fans etc ever trust him again?
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Agreed - but then why such chill standards for Marlon Samuels
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I wouldn't want him wear green jersey and represent Pakistan ever but then as @brokenbat suggested, history has allowed tainted players to represent again so I fear he will come back and play.
I don't understand why people are resentful towards Mohammad Amir as opposed to Salman Butt or Mohammad Asif, he is equally of an offender. He did not admit to his wrongdoing rather he admitted to his punishment. If he was not caught, he would still be doing it. So, it was certainly not sincere.
Props to Mohammad Hafeez for turning down potential 100,000 GBP, few months ago he denied to face him in nets at National Cricket Academy (NCA) even. Actions speak louder than words, kudos to him!
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I wouldn't want him wear green jersey and represent Pakistan ever but then as @brokenbat suggested, history has allowed tainted players to represent again so I fear he will come back and play.
I don't understand why people are resentful towards Mohammad Amir as opposed to Salman Butt or Mohammad Asif, he is equally of an offender. He did not admit to his wrongdoing rather he admitted to his punishment. If he was not caught, he would still be doing it. So, it was certainly not sincere.
Props to Mohammad Hafeez for turning down potential 100,000 GBP, few months ago he denied to face him in nets at National Cricket Academy (NCA) even. Actions speak louder than words, kudos to him!
He was just a young kid who made a mistake at the time. And seriously who would want to let go of a talent like that. If he is as good as he was before he will be one of the top bowlers in the world.
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My friend works in a departement where they educate young crimnals, teach them how to live in a society, help them to develop there mindset, the way they think about life, there are certain elements that they become crimnals offenders etc for example family problems, mobbing in school or no school at all. Amir is a case of no school at all, if he has completed his punishment and completed that training program of young offenders then YES he has has the every right to live a normal life, not giving him permission to play will be a huge disaster for such individuals, by doing such a act society is creating another crimnal infact even more dangerous crimnal maybe terrorist who knows MY FEW CENTS PEACE
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My friend works in a departement where they educate young crimnals, teach them how to live in a society, help them to develop there mindset, the way they think about life, there are certain elements that they become crimnals offenders etc for example family problems, mobbing in school or no school at all. Amir is a case of no school at all, if he has completed his punishment and completed that training program of young offenders then YES he has has the every right to live a normal life, not giving him permission to play will be a huge disaster for such individuals, by doing such a act society is creating another crimnal infact even more dangerous crimnal maybe terrorist who knows MY FEW CENTS PEACE
From playing cricket to terrorist?
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Having watched that lords match personally I think all 3 should never be allowed to play ever again
On reflection now I think the icc got it right with the bans and with Amir you are talking about someone young enough to rehabilitate and play again for Pakistan which he will do
I think he only gets the benefit from what I know of the case,as the youngest he was influenced by the captain and other senior players
So Amir gets a second chance...just.....but as for Asif and Butt I hope they never play for Pakistan again.
I play my cricket with a lot of pak guys and not one of them wants any of the three to represent them again...
It's a emotive subject match fixing and I'm not surprised Hafeez has taken that stance, I could be wrong but the pak coaches seem reluctant to accept any of them will play again-once Amirs ban is up that may not be the end of it.
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Butt shouldn't play cricket again period, same for asif. Amir given his age I'd allow back into amateur cricket (however not allowed to be paid) but. Should never grace pro or int cricket. Doesn't matter how talented he is/was. He broke the rules and knew what he was doing.
There has to be a stand against such Actions so people know they are literally risking everything to cheat.
As for cricket to terrorist.. Hahahaha. Yeah ok
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Well why not? People make mistakes and they try to rectify it. He came from a background where money was scarce and he fell for the trap. He understands it, suffered for it and now trying to mend his way back up. He isn't directly going to Pakistan team, is he? If he can be near to what he was,why not? Let's not make it he sold this and that and account for what he had. I am sure he will try even harder to prove.
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And for hafeez he can say big words coz he didn't do it. We can argument, saying that what he did was not moral but who defines moral and who taught him that? His own captain dragged him. Definition of sledging changes from one nation to another. Likewise let's not drag this poor kid to hell coz his past. Start from scratch.
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What's the point in punishment if no rehabilitation?
Do the crime do the time then you should be able to resume your career whatever it is
When someone gets out of prison should they be ostracised for the rest of their life for a stupid mistake?
The rules as they stand when he committed the crime are a fixed term ban, you can't change that to a life ban after he has done the sentence.
I agree they should change the rules to if caught doing this it's an automatic life ban but at the moment it's not so no pint not letting him play if he gets into the side on merit
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Legally, all 3 should (and are) allowed to play. If Amir is allowed back, the other two should as well. People say his case is different cuz he was young....well, weren't the other two "young and innocent" when they started doing it?
If you read Lou Vincent's description of how ppl are trapped, you begin to at least understand why ppl fall for This stuff. If Chris Cairns and Vincent can become involved, these guys were just sitting ducks.
I think the only way to stamp this out for good is to have a zero tolerance policy. Period. So future talents can say "if someone like Amir is not allowed back, I better not succumb to these temptations".
And this has to be enforced across the board - Marlon Samuels, Suresh Raina (supposedly he had contacts with bookies during ipl), and anyone else...need to never play again.
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I guess anyone can argue that they should get life bans, and no doubt there is a decent argument for this!
However, they were given a sentence and if Amir has served his punishment, then that is it!
You can't go changing sentences or terms 99% of the way through. Therefore he has served his time and is therefore should be allowed to play cricket again.
He would have to earn his place in whichever team and (more importantly) earn the trust of teammates and officials that he will no longer cheat.
People that get done for manslaughter can get the same kind of sentence as Amir got and once freed, are normally allowed to go on their way in between visits to the parole officer! So if Amir has served his time, let him do what he is legally allowed to do!
I would personally prefer to see all three never play cricket at a decent level again! But give them their rights lads! Amir has served his time!
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difficult one really, the boy was young and as others have said it is so easy to be tempted by this, esp with spot fixing, it is not like you are throwing a game - just one ball that does not matter........ however once you think like that then who knows what you would do. he has done his time - so should be given another chance - however if he does it again - then throw the book at him - should be the same for the others too - fool me once and all that jazz etc
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First over in the Bangladesh t20..... Maiden.
He's got figures of 2 wickets for 5 runs off 2 overs.
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finished with 4 wickets.
He's done his time, let him play. I'm sure we can all name a few cricketers who are currently playing who are dodgy including a world cup winning captain. It's still a problem in cricket
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Rehabilitation is a criminal matter, not a sporting one, so the principles aren't quite the same - banning someone from sport for life isn't the same as locking them up for life! Harsh, but fixing or doping should be met with life bans in all sports, as a deterrent. Look at Justin Gatlin, filthy repeat drugs cheat but he's still having huge success - what kind of message does that send.
Amir wasn't banned for life though, so he's coming back like it or not.
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Stand to be corrected but i think the only ones who have life bans are salim malik,kaneria and azuhruddin...
No others i dont think have actual life bans from the game.
Amir realistically is the only one who will come back.asif and butt are too old looking at the current pakistan side
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If you have committed huge financial scams would you be allowed in the industry? No. You might get other jobs and ppl will accept you (maybe) after you've done your time.
If you've shared sensitive secrets about your country with others could you work for the military? No but you might get a civilian job
It's ok to accept rehabilitated people back in society but do they get back the same profession? Most likely no. If you've missed a presentation deadline or made a mistake then your boss my guy have a word with you and then you get back to work. If you have shared company secrets, insider trading or anything else you never work for that firm or sometimes even that same profession again
Fixers have no place in cricket no matter from which nation or how great.
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With the above jobs the initial punishment includes life bans in those fields so no problem
But this was a timed ban so he accepted the punishment for the crime did the time so he has held up his end of the contract so now allowed to play again
I agree change the laws to say if you are convicted for fixing it's an automatic life time ban then it's clear
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Match fixers should be banned for life in my opinion.
All this "he's done the time" stuff doesn't wash with me. At 18 you're old enough to know your own mind, so saying he was too young is a load of rubbish. He knew what he was getting himself in for, and knew it was wrong.
He may be allowed to play again, but every wide or no ball will be surrounded with doubt.
He can make a living playing hit and giggle, but I sincerley hope the Pakistan selectors have more respect for the game than to recall him.
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There are certain lines which you don't cross. If you cross them then there is no return. I believe certain mistakes do fall in this category. Representing ones country in an international forum is privilege and only a few are lucky to get there.
There are many under-paid players who represent their national team in other sports. Think about hockey players and field/track athletics from any country. They wouldn't be paid anywhere close to cricketers nor do they make money out of sponsorship (may be one or two superstars do make money .. but consider the rest). If those people maintain integrity while representing their country then what exempts a cricketer ??
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I don't believe in "he was just 18 and a kid." That's absurd, he was well aware of his doing! The "the kid" image he carries is nothing but a way to gain sympathy.
If he is to play then there is absolutely no way why Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif can not play. All three are equal offenders, all three did same crime.
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So fine for Warne to take drugs, fine for Warne and Waugh to give information to bookies, but an impressionable 18 year-old with no money isn't allowed to play again?
Let he who has never sinned throw the first stone.
It sure won't be me.
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Every ball he bowls will be under the microscope however, everyone deserves a second chance and so does he.
Yes he made a massive mistake. Coming from a poor family and naivety must've played a huge part. He regrets it and is looking to make amends. Fair play too him and all the best at resurrecting his career.
Many pros have been forgiven by sports fans and there's no difference why it should be any different in this case
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No one is gonna bowl no balls on purpose anymore.
The umpires don't even bother looking for that, they just check on wickets.
And let's face it, if someone's good enough to take wickets at will to spot fix no balls, they'd be ridicolously good.
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Just seen a great quote on Twitter...
If Dhoni and the rest of them are allowed to play, why shouldn't Amir.
He has a point.
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I think the point a lot of people are missing is that it was spot fixing, not match fixing. It's obviously still not allowed but at the end of the day he was a young kid who was offered a lot of money to bowl a purposeful no ball. Many bowlers in the history of the game have bowled purposeful no balls in order to make the ball arrive at the batsman quicker. I remember watching one of the great West Indian bowlers bowl a 13 ball over consisting of no balls specifically to keep bowling at a particular batsman that he didn't like.
It's a completely different story to the Chris Cairn's scenario in which they were trying to throw entire matches.
It was a mistake and he was punished, I say let the lad come back. He'd never be stupid enough to do anything like it again.
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Like others have said, I think cheating should carry a life time pro ban BUT seeing as he didn't receive a lifetime ban he received a timed ban, once it has been served he can come back at any level he's capable of reaching. I don't think it'll ever be the same for him though, everything he does will be scrutinised and he may never regain the trust of his team mates (presuming they're honest cricketers!) and we all know how important "the dressing room" apparently is in professional sport!
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Just seen a great quote on Twitter...
If Dhoni and the rest of them are allowed to play, why shouldn't Amir.
He has a point.
Have I missed something?
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Have I missed something?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/dhoni-named-by-justice-mudgal-panel-in-secret-ipl-probe-report/story-yiInVXluokJzzsmkWFOoYJ.html (http://www.hindustantimes.com/india/dhoni-named-by-justice-mudgal-panel-in-secret-ipl-probe-report/story-yiInVXluokJzzsmkWFOoYJ.html)
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that's 18 months old and far as I can recall despite various rumours he's not been charged.
If we were all convicted on rumours and newpaper articles those investigating would just bang everyone up
Amir and his 2 ex-mates were found guilty in court.
shoot first and ask questions later?
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Well to be fair..the BCCI isn't exactly the bastion of honesty - Suresh Raina was also "involved" with a bookie and it was covered up. Moreover, all the tactics used to trap players ("honey traps" etc) are easily doable (no pun intended) in the IPL.
Yes, innocent til proven guilty...but where there's smoke there's fire - especially during the most exorbitant, opulent cricket event on the planet.
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most ppl I know think the IPL is corrupt, I think so too, it's everywhere....
proving it is different, the Pakistani players got caught and have had to pay the price. were they the only ones? we all know not...
Don't know how many other are following the Chris Cairns trial......awaiting the outcome of that with interest as Lou Vincent(confirmed fixer) and Macullum have testified against Cairns.
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most ppl I know think the IPL is corrupt, I think so too, it's everywhere....
proving it is different, the Pakistani players got caught and have had to pay the price. were they the only ones? we all know not...
Don't know how many other are following the Chris Cairns trial......awaiting the outcome of that with interest as Lou Vincent(confirmed fixer) and Macullum have testified against Cairns.
I read Lou Vincent's account of what he claims happened expecting to feel angry and fired up that people could cheat in such a way and by the end of it I ended up just pitying him, he had become such a sad lonely man by the end. Buuuuttt then I thought about it some more over the rest of the day and came to the conclusion that the man (along with Cairns and probably many others) admits to having lied countless times in front of officials and cricket boards etc. so started to wonder if this "sad vulnerable man who just wanted to fit in" character was all just the act of a pathological liar desperately trying to save his own skin.
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Lou Vincent just fixed matches for money, pure and simple. He felt he should of earned more, didn't(NZ players don't earn massive amounts) and he was not a regular in all forms. So he took the money and fixed-he's just a cheat.
The only thing is his favour,if there is anything, is he has owned up and confessed. Asif and Butt relentlessly protested their innocence until lots of money was wasted on them in court appeals and then they finally admitted it.
Cairns is denying everything,always has, and is being done again thru the courts.One thing is for sure if he is found guilty he's finished and will be massively sued for committing perjury as well.
There's a lot on the line. Macullum and Fleming both have given evidence he's a fixer.
match fixing has proved incredibly difficult to prove for the courts,and life bans are hard to enforce due to 'restraint of trade' laws.
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Im sure I read somewhere warne and waugh accepted money from a bookmaker and all they got was a slap on the wrist
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Im sure I read somewhere warne and waugh accepted money from a bookmaker and all they got was a slap on the wrist
I think that was for "providing information" rather than match/spot fixing. Not 100% sure what information was provided though.
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Lou Vincent just fixed matches for money, pure and simple. He felt he should of earned more, didn't(NZ players don't earn massive amounts) and he was not a regular in all forms. So he took the money and fixed-he's just a cheat.
The only thing is his favour,if there is anything, is he has owned up and confessed. Asif and Butt relentlessly protested their innocence until lots of money was wasted on them in court appeals and then they finally admitted it.
Cairns is denying everything,always has, and is being done again thru the courts.One thing is for sure if he is found guilty he's finished and will be massively sued for committing perjury as well.
There's a lot on the line. Macullum and Fleming both have given evidence he's a fixer.
match fixing has proved incredibly difficult to prove for the courts,and life bans are hard to enforce due to 'restraint of trade' laws.
Vincent makes Cairns out to be some kind of Mafia enforcer for the big cheeses behind the scenes, effectively running the operation in the field. If this is true he will deservedly get the absolute book thrown at him. But again when these guys have made a serious amount of money from lying and deceiving who's to know who's telling the truth about the lies they've told in the past!!!
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I think he should be allowed back. He has served the time.
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Two things from the Cairns trial are very interesting:
1. How they trap players. It's not like players say "I hate my country, let's cheat!". They get worked on over months - women are used...hook up with a smoking hot woman at an ipl party, and then find out she is an escort...and then you get blackmailed into cheating. It's a proper planned assault...which is tough for players. I think punishment should be harsh, but I also pity them - a bit like the pity I have for drug addicts.
2. Chris Cairns supposedly said "everyone is doing it" and "you are working with me now". Seemingly innocuous statements at first, but rather scary, as it implies that teams have had rival fixers within them. Perhaps this is the real reason for disunity between players.
Reminds of a NOW sting vs Saleem Malik...where he claimed that in one ODI between Aus and Pak - BOTH teams were trying to lose!
I think Pandora's box has yet to be opened - the corruption is likely spread all the way up...from players, coaches, board officials, and even the ICC ACU...why wouldn't it be - it's standard operating procedure for any mafia operation
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Warne and Waugh gave weather conditions and pitch info. Nothing concerning the game or tactics or agreements to fix. Different era though:-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_bookmaker_controversy
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Two things from the Cairns trial are very interesting:
1. How they trap players. It's not like players say "I hate my country, let's cheat!". They get worked on over months - women are used...hook up with a smoking hot woman at an ipl party, and then find out she is an escort...and then you get blackmailed into cheating. It's a proper planned assault...which is tough for players. I think punishment should be harsh, but I also pity them - a bit like the pity I have for drug addicts.
2. Chris Cairns supposedly said "everyone is doing it" and "you are working with me now". Seemingly innocuous statements at first, but rather scary, as it implies that teams have had rival fixers within them. Perhaps this is the real reason for disunity between players.
Reminds of a NOW sting vs Saleem Malik...where he claimed that in one ODI between Aus and Pak - BOTH teams were trying to lose!
I think Pandora's box has yet to be opened - the corruption is likely spread all the way up...from players, coaches, board officials, and even the ICC ACU...why wouldn't it be - it's standard operating procedure for any mafia operation
Absolutley right..the jury has retired and now has till friday to deceide.If guilty or not,if it goes bad for Cairns its perjury and perverting the course of justice and by default he is guilty of match fixing-therefore being wide open to other charges.
I dont think myself anyone should underestimate the significance of this case.If 'everyone is doing it' and he gets a bad result he's going to try to cut a deal and land everyone else in the brown stuff right?
'Can of worms' does not being to describe it
My guess,as yours, there are a lot of players,officials and coaches currently very very nervous indeed...
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On the other hand - if you were trying to persuade a teammate to fix, 'everyone's doing it' is practically a cliché for criminal persuasion.
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Absolutley right..the jury has retired and now has till friday to deceide.If guilty or not,if it goes bad for Cairns its perjury and perverting the course of justice and by default he is guilty of match fixing-therefore being wide open to other charges.
I dont think myself anyone should underestimate the significance of this case.If 'everyone is doing it' and he gets a bad result he's going to try to cut a deal and land everyone else in the brown stuff right?
'Can of worms' does not being to describe it
My guess,as yours, there are a lot of players,officials and coaches currently very very nervous indeed...
yeah, he is surely going to try the plea bargain type route. lets see...
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Too late for that, plus that is less common in the UK
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So Amir gets Hafeez out in first 4 balls 0,0,0,W
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It's a hard one, yes he should never have done it but then he's also served his punishment so why not give him that second chance? Everyone makes mistakes...
I don't think Pakistan will be able to resist his talent, he'll be playing test soon
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It's simple surely, you get caught, you get punished, you serve your time (just as a murderer/rapist/robber would do), what is the point in having a punishment if you then extend it after someone has done as they have been asked??
I know I've said it's simple but that is rather tongue in cheek tbh, but only in sport do we set punishments and then when they serve that punishment do we then tell them they can no longer do there job, a hair dresser who maybe gets caught for shop lifting is not then told you've served your time but don't think your gonna pick up your clippers again!
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The big difference between a sportsman and a hairdresser is that the sportsman is a role model to others. It's hardly setting a good example to other impressionable youngsters!!
They will see blatant cheating, getting financial reward for doing so (let's not be naive, he got paid), serve a small ban and then come back whilst still in your prime and earn loads more money
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The big difference between a sportsman and a hairdresser is that the sportsman is a role model to others. It's hardly setting a good example to other impressionable youngsters!!
They will see blatant cheating, getting financial reward for doing so (let's not be naive, he got paid), serve a small ban and then come back whilst still in your prime and earn loads more money
yes but it's a very thin line if you're holding up sportsmen as role models,there's plenty of examples thru history of those who are not role models. Have you heard anything Tyson Fury has had to say lately? he's currently at the top of the tree that is sport,World Heavyweight Champion trumps most other sports.....
Have to say Amir is the only one of the three I reckon should be allowed to play again, only on the basis of his age and my own view,right or wrong, is he was heavily influenced by his Captain.
Amir has the chance now to educate youngsters on the mistakes he made,and to avoid them.In some ways he is the best person to do this and have credibility.
Where he takes that opportunity no one knows yet...
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Yes you are right, and I knew the "role model" issue would come up, no it does not set a good example for anybody let alone youngsters, but they won't see blatant cheating getting rewarded, if the cheats are found out they will see a punishment and then maybe see a fair and just society, perhaps giving someone a second chance?
We all have a responsibility to be good role models, but sports ppl often forget this, it does not have to be illegal and cheating for it to be poor behaviour, just look at some of the antics footballers get upto by surrounding refs etc, is this not as poor a role model to youngsters as a blatant cheat and does this not encourage them to do the same?
He may earn loads of money still, but he will have missed out on loads more due to his punishment, I am one for giving second chances wether that is right or wrong I don't know but I guess that's why we discuss issues like this here..
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Plenty of professions ban people for life for misconduct, professional or otherwise. He's been given his ban and will come back, that can't be changed now, but he should have been banned for life, along with anyone else who dopes or makes deals with bookies. Sport is about fair and honest competition, it becomes meaningless otherwise. Look at athletics/cycling/Pakistan cricket etc, however much progress is made there's still suspicion. Life bans would go a long way towards helping, zero tolerance.
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Plenty of professions ban people for life for misconduct, professional or otherwise. He's been given his ban and will come back, that can't be changed now, but he should have been banned for life, along with anyone else who dopes or makes deals with bookies. Sport is about fair and honest competition, it becomes meaningless otherwise. Look at athletics/cycling/Pakistan cricket etc, however much progress is made there's still suspicion. Life bans would go a long way towards helping, zero tolerance.
Could not agree more!
I have never said footballers are good role models, they are in my opinion quite the opposite. I have never been happier when my 9 year old said "footballers are horrible people", very glad he shows no interest in the sport.
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you can always rely on the New Zealanders for a bit of down to earth humour
as Amir starts his bowling spell the ground announcer plays the sound of a cash register!! hehe :)
should'nt laugh really, England are of course whiter than the pure snow(!) but the Kiwi's have CHRIS CAIRNS stones/glasshouses/etc/etc....
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I read today that the announcer was admonished by the New Zealand Cricket.
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Plenty of professions ban people for life for misconduct, professional or otherwise. He's been given his ban and will come back, that can't be changed now, but he should have been banned for life, along with anyone else who dopes or makes deals with bookies. Sport is about fair and honest competition, it becomes meaningless otherwise. Look at athletics/cycling/Pakistan cricket etc, however much progress is made there's still suspicion. Life bans would go a long way towards helping, zero tolerance.
Very nicely put and fully agree.
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Plenty of professions ban people for life for misconduct, professional or otherwise. He's been given his ban and will come back, that can't be changed now, but he should have been banned for life, along with anyone else who dopes or makes deals with bookies. Sport is about fair and honest competition, it becomes meaningless otherwise. Look at athletics/cycling/Pakistan cricket etc, however much progress is made there's still suspicion. Life bans would go a long way towards helping, zero tolerance.
Nail > head. Couldn't agree more, Edge. Needs to be clear guidelines. We had much the same discussion in Sheffield when Ched Evans was released from prison.
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I assume he will play in England this year, just get the crowd shouting 'no ball' every time he bowls and waving money at him when fielding. Of course, no one will do it as he's 'such a talent' that can do no wrong but it would be amusing and at least show the big wigs that people don't appreciate cheats in the game
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Key things to look at are, he was very young 18 years old, comes from a poor background. He was away from home so the only people providing guidance would have been senior players. Unfortunately for Amir his captain Salman Butt, did not set a good example along with Mohammed Asif. I am sure at that age we can all say we made stupid mistakes that we regret. Unfortunately for Amir this mistake was made on an international scale. So I feel he has been punished enough and the PCB should hold a lot of the responsibility along with there coaching staff etc, as I feel they should provide more support for these young players. Amir will have this hanging over him for the rest of his playing career, so he has a tough road ahead. Personally I am glad to see him back, it would have been a great waste of talent if he was band for life.
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Key things to look at are, he was very young 18 years old, comes from a poor background. He was away from home so the only people providing guidance would have been senior players. Unfortunately for Amir his captain Salman Butt, did not set a good example along with Mohammed Asif. I am sure at that age we can all say we made stupid mistakes that we regret. Unfortunately for Amir this mistake was made on an international scale. So I feel he has been punished enough and the PCB should hold a lot of the responsibility along with there coaching staff etc, as I feel they should provide more support for these young players. Amir will have this hanging over him for the rest of his playing career, so he has a tough road ahead. Personally I am glad to see him back, it would have been a great waste of talent if he was band for life.
With all due respect, Mohammad Amir was equally involved and he himself had direct interactions with bookmaker, Mazhar Majeed.
I am not proponent of Mohammad Amir's inclusion to the side, however, if he is to be selected then board has to be same with other two as well.
Just to reiterate, Amir first denied his involvement. It was until he knew there is no way out when he admitted.
As far talent, Mohammad Asif was a bigger and better talent than him.
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Asif he was a bigger talent! (pun intended). At 10 years younger I would have expected a lot less, but Amir delivered just as well.
I agree with hanif. I regret alot of things i did when i was 18.. Being both illegal and legal. Lucky enough to get away without any repercussions
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Guess he'll have to get used to stuff like this... http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10145358/cricket-new-zealand-issue-amir-apology (http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/cricket/10145358/cricket-new-zealand-issue-amir-apology)
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He beat Kane Williamson several times last night, bowled extremely well!
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He beat Kane Williamson several times last night, bowled extremely well!
If only you could trust everything and not suspect dodgy antics
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Are you telling me that Illuminati are not running the world affairs and extra-terrestrials did not cross-breed with humans?!!!!!! Horror!!! Where are my conspiracy theories?! Boo hoo!!!!!
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If only you could trust everything and not suspect dodgy antics
Are you suggesting that either
A) Kane Williamson is in on it?
Or
B) that amir is that good when he doesn't beat Williamson he's doing it on purpose??
As I can't for the life of me figure out how a bowler bowling well is being dodgy??