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Should Amir be allowed to play?
« on: November 21, 2015, 11:44:26 PM »

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942753.html
KP doesn't think so

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/942739.html
Hafeez rejected a BPL deal as he didn't want to play with Amir
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2015, 12:45:31 AM »

I don't think anyone who's had the privelidge to play at the highest level and gone and done that should be allowed to play pro cricket again. How can team mates, coaches, fans etc ever trust him again?
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2015, 01:21:20 AM »

Agreed - but then why such chill standards for Marlon Samuels
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2015, 01:38:25 AM »

I wouldn't want him wear green jersey and represent Pakistan ever but then as @brokenbat suggested, history has allowed tainted players to represent again so I fear he will come back and play.

I don't understand why people are resentful towards Mohammad Amir as opposed to Salman Butt or Mohammad Asif, he is equally of an offender. He did not admit to his wrongdoing rather he admitted to his punishment. If he was not caught, he would still be doing it. So, it was certainly not sincere.

Props to Mohammad Hafeez for turning down potential 100,000 GBP, few months ago he denied to face him in nets at National Cricket Academy (NCA) even. Actions speak louder than words, kudos to him!
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2015, 07:22:34 AM »


I wouldn't want him wear green jersey and represent Pakistan ever but then as @brokenbat suggested, history has allowed tainted players to represent again so I fear he will come back and play.

I don't understand why people are resentful towards Mohammad Amir as opposed to Salman Butt or Mohammad Asif, he is equally of an offender. He did not admit to his wrongdoing rather he admitted to his punishment. If he was not caught, he would still be doing it. So, it was certainly not sincere.

Props to Mohammad Hafeez for turning down potential 100,000 GBP, few months ago he denied to face him in nets at National Cricket Academy (NCA) even. Actions speak louder than words, kudos to him!

He was just a young kid who made a mistake at the time. And seriously who would want to let go of a talent like that. If he is as good as he was before he will be one of the top bowlers in the world.


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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2015, 07:40:47 AM »

My friend works in a departement where they educate young crimnals, teach them how to live in a society, help them to develop there mindset, the way they think about life, there are certain elements that they become crimnals offenders etc for example family problems, mobbing in school or no school at all.  Amir is a case of no school at all, if he has completed his punishment and completed that training program of young offenders then YES he has has the every right to live a normal life, not giving him permission to play will be a huge disaster for such individuals, by doing such a act society is creating another crimnal infact even more dangerous crimnal maybe terrorist who knows MY FEW CENTS PEACE
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2015, 07:57:19 AM »


My friend works in a departement where they educate young crimnals, teach them how to live in a society, help them to develop there mindset, the way they think about life, there are certain elements that they become crimnals offenders etc for example family problems, mobbing in school or no school at all.  Amir is a case of no school at all, if he has completed his punishment and completed that training program of young offenders then YES he has has the every right to live a normal life, not giving him permission to play will be a huge disaster for such individuals, by doing such a act society is creating another crimnal infact even more dangerous crimnal maybe terrorist who knows MY FEW CENTS PEACE

From playing cricket to terrorist?


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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2015, 08:19:51 AM »

Having watched that lords match personally I think all 3 should never be allowed to play ever again
On reflection now I think the icc got it right with the bans and with Amir you are talking about someone young enough to rehabilitate and play again for Pakistan which he will do

I think he only gets the benefit from what I know of the case,as the youngest he was influenced by the captain and other senior players
So Amir gets a second chance...just.....but as for Asif and Butt I hope they never play for Pakistan again.
I play my cricket with a lot of pak guys and not one of them wants any of the three to represent them again...

It's a emotive subject match fixing and I'm not surprised Hafeez has taken that stance, I could be wrong but the pak coaches seem reluctant to accept any of them will play again-once Amirs ban is up that may not be the end of it.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2015, 08:31:43 AM »

Butt shouldn't play cricket again period, same for asif. Amir given his age I'd allow back into amateur cricket (however not allowed to be paid) but. Should never grace pro or int cricket. Doesn't matter how talented he is/was. He broke the rules and knew what he was doing.

There has to be a stand against such Actions so people know they are literally risking everything to cheat.

As for cricket to terrorist.. Hahahaha. Yeah ok
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 09:10:39 AM »

Well why not? People make mistakes and they try to rectify it. He came from a background where money was scarce and he fell for the trap. He understands it, suffered for it and now trying to mend his way back up. He isn't directly going to Pakistan team, is he? If he can be near to what he was,why not? Let's not make it he sold this and that and account for what he had. I am sure he will try even harder to prove.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 09:18:21 AM »

And for hafeez he can say big words coz he didn't do it. We can argument, saying that what he did was not moral but who defines moral and who taught him that? His own captain dragged him. Definition of sledging changes from one nation to another. Likewise let's not drag this poor kid to hell coz his past. Start from scratch.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 09:29:50 AM »

What's the point in punishment if no rehabilitation?

Do the crime do the time then you should be able to resume your career whatever it is

When someone gets out of prison should they be ostracised for the rest of their life for a stupid mistake?

The rules as they stand when he committed the crime are a fixed term ban, you can't change that to a life ban after he has done the sentence.

I agree they should change the rules to if caught doing this it's an automatic life ban but at the moment it's not so no pint not letting him play if he gets into the side on merit
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »

Legally, all 3 should (and are) allowed to play. If Amir is allowed back, the other two should as well. People say his case is different cuz he was young....well, weren't the other two "young and innocent" when they started doing it?

If you read Lou Vincent's description of how ppl are trapped, you begin to at least understand why ppl fall for This stuff. If Chris Cairns and Vincent can become involved, these guys were just sitting ducks.

I think the only way to stamp this out for good is to have a zero tolerance policy. Period. So future talents can say "if someone like Amir is not allowed back, I better not succumb to these temptations".

And this has to be enforced across the board - Marlon Samuels, Suresh Raina (supposedly he had contacts with bookies during ipl), and anyone else...need to never play again.
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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 10:59:53 AM »

I guess anyone can argue that they should get life bans, and no doubt there is a decent argument for this!
However, they were given a sentence and if Amir has served his punishment, then that is it!
You can't go changing sentences or terms 99% of the way through. Therefore he has served his time and is therefore should be allowed to play cricket again.
He would have to earn his place in whichever team and (more importantly) earn the trust of teammates and officials that he will no longer cheat.
People that get done for manslaughter can get the same kind of sentence as Amir got and once freed, are normally allowed to go on their way in between visits to the parole officer! So if Amir has served his time, let him do what he is legally allowed to do!
I would personally prefer to see all three never play cricket at a decent level again! But give them their rights lads! Amir has served his time!

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Re: Should Amir be allowed to play?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 11:03:00 AM »

difficult one really, the boy was young and as others have said it is so easy to be tempted by this, esp with spot fixing, it is not like you are throwing a game - just one ball that does not matter........ however once you think like that then who knows what you would do. he has done his time - so should be given another chance - however if he does it again - then throw the book at him - should be the same for the others too - fool me once and all that jazz etc
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