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Equipment => Gloves => Topic started by: swmk1985 on December 23, 2015, 08:33:46 AM
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hi all,
I'm doing some research into new gloves and have been comparing brands such as M&H, H4L, Blank bats, Salix, Ayrtek etc.
I'm wondering if anyone out there knows specifically which manufacturers are responsible for making which brands?
I've read on this forum that there are only a handful of factories in India and Pakistan responsible for all softs, therefore surely the question to ask is which manufacturer is responsible for the best quality product rather than which brand(?)
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Top 3 companys are probs
SS
SG
fc Sondi
SF
Most of your big players will use the people above
but with big companys am sure they will only deal with big orders.
im sure there are smaller company's out there that can produce decent quality products.
Champ
new greyhound
MA
AM
etc etc
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Thanks Simmy.
Do you know what brands they produce?
For example: are Newbery, M&H and Salix all made in the SS factory and Kookaburra and GN made at SF?
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Good this topic is right up my street however since I joined a brand it would be unethical for me to reveal anything but if the above is your research so far you would be far wrong.
Grays foe instance have there own factory.
Champ would be a good bet if your looking at your own brand
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http://www.fcssport.com/fcs_clogin.htm (http://www.fcssport.com/fcs_clogin.htm)
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There is also robison and tandon who are right up there to
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Thanks Simmy.
Do you know what brands they produce?
For example: are Newbery, M&H and Salix all made in the SS factory and Kookaburra and GN made at SF?
THe people that actually know, are unlikely to reveal.
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http://www.newgreyhound.com/clients.html (http://www.newgreyhound.com/clients.html)
Just to throw a spanner in the works
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I know at least a couple of them are outdated on the NG site.
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nice of them to upgade there website used to be shocking lol
some of there softs look identical to newbury stuff
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Anyone know who makes Puma softs?
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I'll add to what Vitas says - those who know probably won't reveal.
I can agree with Jake - a few of those manufacturers I can guarantee are no longer with NG. It's a very confidential topic so unfortunately it'll be difficult to find out!
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does any of the softs suppliers do very small quantities like 10/15
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Same old streets in India Pakistan . ....you tell them your budget and they will get you the goods. Sell them under whatever logo you want to. Few guys in my home town were doing it on a local much smaller scale and the goods were on par with the usual club level stuff you get here. Why is it you want to know anyway
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does any of the softs suppliers do very small quantities like 10/15
Better off getting unbranded?http://
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Same old streets in India Pakistan . ....you tell them your budget and they will get you the goods. Sell them under whatever logo you want to. Few guys in my home town were doing it on a local much smaller scale and the goods were on par with the usual club level stuff you get here. Why is it you want to know anyway
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I'm looking to start up a brand already got the name or tes out and the sticker design
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I'll suggest just visit these company websites like BAS, RS, RNS, BDM , KG, PR , SF etc and send then your requirement using their contact us info.
You should be able to get some pricing and model pics.
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Don't bother trying to find out which brands use which suppliers! I would suggest that you find the supplier that you are happiest with and that you can work well with?
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Surely if you know an Indian brand manufacture their own softs you could have a look at their most recent softs and compare them to the brands to see what looks similar? For example, affinity and H4L must get their softs from the same place as the Affinity gloves I've got are very similar to the H4L pro gloves except for colours. If you found for example champ blank gloves were the same you'd get a good idea. It'll just take some detective work!!
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Surely if you know an Indian brand manufacture their own softs you could have a look at their most recent softs and compare them to the brands to see what looks similar? For example, affinity and H4L must get their softs from the same place as the Affinity gloves I've got are very similar to the H4L pro gloves except for colours. If you found for example champ blank gloves were the same you'd get a good idea. It'll just take some detective work!!
Yes. From my experience the Champ gloves are very good and there was no big secret that they do/did the Hammer, Mars and Legget & Coe softs amongst others.
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How about alibaba is that a good site to use
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How about alibaba is that a good site to use
A friend of mine tried to source duck feather shuttles for badminton. Sellers from China & India offered a competitive price. He ordered 100 boxes (12 birdies per box) and found that none of them are of good quality. Complete rip off and loss of value. Alibaba is more open version of eBay with zero to little purchase protection. You are better off contact manufacturers via email or contact us option listed on their website. In my opinion alibaba is not a good source.
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Yes. From my experience the Champ gloves are very good and there was no big secret that they do/did the Hammer, Mars and Legget & Coe softs amongst others.
Champ makes Hammer stuff ? Hmm this is news to me. Hammer LE gloves are very good, quite heavy but very good level of protection.
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Just to clarify;
I'm not looking to produce or sell my own stuff..I just want to buy a pair of gloves and want to make an informed decision as there are so many softs on the market.
In many cases-multiple gloves that are very similar (if not the same) branded and priced differently makes it confusing..
Why are the brands so secretive about where there equipment is produced? Is it because they are trying to hide something? Surely if a brand believes 100% in the quality of their goods, they would have no trouble disclosing where they were made(?)
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Just to clarify;
I'm not looking to produce or sell my own stuff..I just want to buy a pair of gloves and want to make an informed decision as there are so many softs on the market.
In many cases-multiple gloves that are very similar (if not the same) branded and priced differently makes it confusing..
Why are the brands so secretive about where there equipment is produced? Is it because they are trying to hide something? Surely if a brand believes 100% in the quality of their goods, they would have no trouble disclosing where they were made(?)
If you just wanted to buy a good quality pair of gloves why would you want to know who manufactures them ? Any brand - H4L, Salix, B3, GN, GM, Kook, SS etc - pick their top of the line product offering and buy that gloves. I am sure they would last a while and would perform well.
Brands are secretive about who makes them because they have to be competitive in this market. From my observation each brand has certain design requirements for softs and design/manufacturing firms in India & Pakistan are offering services to design as per their requirement. I don't think any brand is hiding anything intentionally. If the information about who makes gloves is revealed two things can happen -
1. The customer has no need to buy the gloves from the brands they can rather buy from the manufacturer.
2. Any competitor who is trying to beat the brand can call up the manufacturer and ask them to provide the same design. Either way the brand stands to lose any competitive advantage.
Brand like Gray Nics who make and sell huge volume of cricket products have setup factories in India and UK. They are probably making their its own softs and they can label the product as made in xyz. From what i know you don't make much profit from sale of soft goods. Decent profit is made only from the bats. Considering the cost of manufacturing smaller brands would outsource manufacturing to custom design firms in India or Pakistan.
If you have specific model of gloves in mind, please list them here. Someone in this forum is likely to have used it and they can provide necessary comments.
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Champ makes Hammer stuff ? Hmm this is news to me. Hammer LE gloves are very good, quite heavy but very good level of protection.
Every day is a school day mate! I can assure you that they do (or at least they did in the summer).
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Every day is a school day mate! I can assure you that they do (or at least they did in the summer).
Very true ... Every day is a school day. I just recently heard from a few friends the Hammer Vapen which was previous made by Laver is now being made in UK. I guess this information keeps changing every year ....
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Very true ... Every day is a school day. I just recently heard from a few friends the Hammer Vapen which was previous made by Laver is now being made in UK. I guess this information keeps changing every year ....
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You're right @sanredrose Things are constantly changing. They may have even changed there softs producer and my info could be outdated?!
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If you just wanted to buy a good quality pair of gloves why would you want to know who manufactures them ? Any brand - H4L, Salix, B3, GN, GM, Kook, SS etc - pick their top of the line product offering and buy that gloves. I am sure they would last a while and would perform well.
Good question-Here is why:
As an example, I am currently using Bradbury ARX gloves. They are great on protection, feel and looks but started to fray and have issues with the stitching after only a few uses.
Looking through a catalogue recently I noticed Gray Nicholls and another brand Helix have gloves that look VERY similar to the Bradburys. Ie; I assume are made in the same factory.
I could just change brands and go and spend $100+ on a pair of GN gloves (for example) but if they are made in the same factory, out of the same materials than I could just have the same problem again.
FYI, I contacted Bradbury to give them that feedback and they informed me that they have changed their supplier.
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Has anyone got another way of contacting Robinson's except from the email on there very dated websit because they're not replying to my emails
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I reckon the profit margin on softs is higher than bats. Little work is required when it comes to softs compared to bats. I can sit here and design my own range of softs tweaking the already available prototypes. Work is required only if you want to revolutinise and come up with something unique. Take Ton duffle bag for example and see how many other brands are using the exact same duffle with their branding. If you just want decent softs plenty of options available without having to chase factories. I got ss gloves 4 season ago yes they have frayed but still going strong. Just go with what fits your hand best. You can get the most expensive super protection but if the fit is not right then hardly any point.
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Soft's margains are not higher at all and the margins are not great.
coupled with the fact if your a small new brand you be lucky half the companies will not touch you.
Freight issues too be it the expensive air option or the long wafted boat route.
Sorry but i liken soft's to the gravy of a brand just topping up the bat.
Soft's market is a minefield
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As mentioned above, softs are not that simple.
We spend a great amount of time and effort on our softs designing shapes, choosing materials, protection levels and matching colours. In the last 10 years we have used numerous suppliers including visiting factories in India. We now have agreed with our factories that our designs are exclusive to us (as we have had a number of designs reused). We then only use the highest quality materials as we do not want the trouble or reputation for returns.
Take the design, testing, manufacture, packaging, shipping and tax in to account, and the margins are not huge.
But we do get alot of pride and satisfaction when you see someone coming out to bat all in full H4L kit, whether its on TV or in village cricket!
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So are the margins greater on bats !!!
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So are the margins greater on bats !!!
Exactly. I had a discussion with BDM folks via Facebook messenger. I was getting quotes for colored batting pads, team uniform and cricket hold-alls with customized team logo. When the topic of discounts came up, he said the same thing. They can't offer more than 5% discount on softs (immaterial of the quantity ordered) due to a very tight margin there. For bats he was willing to offer 10% or more depending on the quantity ordered.
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Interesting bit of info. Until now, I always thought softs were priced like drinks in a restaurant which have a much higher margin than the food itself.
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Interesting bit of info. Until now, I always thought softs were priced like drinks in a restaurant which have a much higher margin than the food itself.
That is still true for many brands out there.
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