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Title: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 10:16:55 AM
This whole Amir issue hasn't been handled well by the PCB nor the players. I mean they made an inexperienced "international" player captain and now he's causing issues over Amir being part of the squad!

http://www.espncricinfo.com/pakistan/content/story/956213.html

Amir has done his time, was lead on by a former captain and has acknowledged his mistake.

Shouldn't the new captain be putting his arm around the younger players and supporting them?


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: kdale6 on December 29, 2015, 10:28:24 AM
He should be nowhere near a professional cricket game let alone the international scene
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 10:30:34 AM

He should be nowhere near a professional cricket game let alone the international scene

Why shouldn't he be given a second chance? A young naive lad was taken advantage of. He's paid for the mistake


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: tate035 on December 29, 2015, 10:42:27 AM
He should be nowhere near a professional cricket game let alone the international scene

Harsh... For me he has paid his dues and therefore because of his age (plus little life experience and lead by others) should be allowed to play. I also think it's harsh to punish someone for the rest of their lives when I am pretty sure a few have gotten away with similar offences .
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2015, 11:11:08 AM
What is "laughing stock" about this? Talk about unnecessary sensationalism!
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: skip1973 on December 29, 2015, 11:18:50 AM
Long term laughing stock from the top down
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2015, 11:25:23 AM
Long term laughing stock from the top down


I guess just following the Colonial masters then...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2056316/Pakistan-spot-fixing-trials-Cricket-cheats-prospering-centuries.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2056316/Pakistan-spot-fixing-trials-Cricket-cheats-prospering-centuries.html)
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 11:28:23 AM

What is "laughing stock" about this? Talk about unnecessary sensationalism!

I'd call them a laughing stock. There wouldn't be issues of players refusing to turn up for camps, captain handing in a resignation request etc if this was handled correctly from the start.

This is just one of this issues. Another would be the whole Younis Khan fiasco


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: skip1973 on December 29, 2015, 11:37:53 AM
I guess just following the Colonial masters then...

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2056316/Pakistan-spot-fixing-trials-Cricket-cheats-prospering-centuries.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2056316/Pakistan-spot-fixing-trials-Cricket-cheats-prospering-centuries.html[/url])
It's always someone else's fault.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: Dan W on December 29, 2015, 11:49:41 AM
No more of a laughing stick than our (ECB) recent years IMO.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2015, 12:00:27 PM
It's always someone else's fault.

Nope..never anyone else's fault. But gross generalization / stereotyping deserves serious trolling 
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: ridhuan on December 29, 2015, 01:05:48 PM
Love to see amir playing again, he did his time, now let him play, everybody need a second chance,my 2 cent
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: Cover_Drive on December 29, 2015, 02:49:20 PM
Tad surprised to see people saying "Pakistan is becoming a laughing stock" considering this was a good move. As I had stated in a topic earlier, Mohammad Amir was not as naive as we think. He was well into it and he should have not been playing international cricket. Players have right to express their views. They try there utmost best and play with sheer integrity and pride, but then a convicted criminal comes and walks in the side? How can we be assured that Amir would not do what he did again?

Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez are right on there grounds. It was them who had to face the backlash and restore the image of Pakistan cricket as tainted trio was off scene. Massive respect for Ali and Hafeez, kudos!
Title: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 02:58:24 PM
@Cover_Drive Wouldn't you agree that all of this could have been handled a lot better? I mean it's not the first time they have been embarrassed (Younis Khan issue). I said becoming a laughing stock as if the PCB don't start ironing things out and ensuring they have covered all bases prior to making decisions, then they will be a laughing stock.

PCB, have overlooked issues and concerns of drafting Amir into the squad and now facing backlash


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 03:00:14 PM
Everyone deserves a second chance. Amir needs to build his trust and everyone around him needs to support him.


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: CrickFreak on December 29, 2015, 03:24:31 PM
Pakistani cricketers integrity is questionable. I remember this one guy who ran away from Dubai to UK in middle of an international series. Never heard what happended to him after that and why he ran away.
I think to clean up Pak cricket, they need to set an example by banning such players for life so that others dont even think of doing something similar in future.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2015, 03:42:53 PM
This is a non-issue now. They've ironed out their differences.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1017594/amir-breaks-down-after-meeting-hafeez-in-camp/ (http://tribune.com.pk/story/1017594/amir-breaks-down-after-meeting-hafeez-in-camp/)
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: brokenbat on December 29, 2015, 03:44:45 PM
Pakistani cricketers integrity is questionable. I remember this one guy who ran away from Dubai to UK in middle of an international series. Never heard what happended to him after that and why he ran away.
I think to clean up Pak cricket, they need to set an example by banning such players for life so that others dont even think of doing something similar in future.

To clean up Pakistan cricket they need strong, clean leaders who inspire the younger guys to perform...oh wait, that's exactly what Misbah and Younis Khan have been doing for the last 5 years
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: Cover_Drive on December 29, 2015, 04:18:20 PM
@Cover_Drive Wouldn't you agree that all of this could have been handled a lot better? I mean it's not the first time they have been embarrassed (Younis Khan issue). I said becoming a laughing stock as if the PCB don't start ironing things out and ensuring they have covered all bases prior to making decisions, then they will be a laughing stock.

PCB, have overlooked issues and concerns of drafting Amir into the squad and now facing backlash

@StillNotOut I do agree with your last sentence. I think what PCB lacked in this case was that when players first began opposing Mohammad Amir, PCB should have consulted with players and gathered them before just inviting Mohammad Amir to the camp.

Honestly, in Younis Khan's issue, it was more of players fault as he is nothing but a blunt speaker who talks a bit too much (unnecessarily).
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: iand123 on December 29, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
I think the stance of the players is spot on. what he did he caused a stain on his country as well as the sport of cricket. I'm all for forgiving, you just cannot expect people to forget what they did.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: Buzz on December 29, 2015, 08:39:26 PM
When they were smashing us in the UAE I didn't think they were a laughingstock.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: thegowerwaft on December 29, 2015, 08:47:44 PM
Agree with Buzz. They could be one of, if not the, best sides in the world. It will be a good day when matches can be held back on their home soil. Sport is a business and temptation is large for everyone... reports are now saying Russia might not be at Rio. Some are too quick to judge. Pakistan play a very important part in world cricket and it is critical to maintain this!
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: StillNotOut on December 29, 2015, 08:55:25 PM
I don't doubt the ability of Pakistan cricket team. It's more to do with the way PCB handle a lot of the issues that concern the team.

I guess my title is incorrect and should read PCB rather than Pakistan @buzz @thegowerwaft


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Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: thegowerwaft on December 29, 2015, 09:04:35 PM
Got it. Not to be too sentimental, but I think cricket means more in a country like Pakistan than we can imagine in the likes of England, Aus, etc. It is a unifying purpose and the pressures on selectors and boards can never be underestimated. To not be able to play at Lords, the MCG or Cape Town for security reasons would bring such great domestic pressures the majority could not understand. this is the everyday reality for the PCB. Pakistan's board are not simply able to select a team, they are having to act in a diplomatic capacity. This should never be underestimated. It is hard enough to pick a team without this demanding subtext. Pakistan need time and the cricket communities' support. PCB are doing a very difficult job and I for one do not envy their task.
Title: Re: Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock?
Post by: sanredrose on December 30, 2015, 01:29:05 AM
I applaud Hafeez and Azhar for standing up to what they think is correct. PCB should have done a better job of managing this problem even before it got played out in media/public.

Amir's second chance might be up for a debate, but if the current players have a problem with him in the line up then PCB/selectors need to address it. If the playing eleven can't trust each other then the game is lost even before they get on the field. Even if the players accept Amir, media is going to keep a watchful eye and probably scrutinize his every single move - catches, wides, no-balls etc. It's not going to be easy ....

Are Pakistan becoming a laughing stock ? => Not really ....
Are PCB & ex-players becoming a laughing stock? => Absolutely. Ex-players swearing at each other on live television is purely unprofessional. PCB should have done a better job of managing the induction of tainted trio into the squad.

http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/rameez-raja-mohammad-yousuf-involved-disgraceful-fight-television-show (http://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/rameez-raja-mohammad-yousuf-involved-disgraceful-fight-television-show)