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General Cricket => World Cricket => Topic started by: brokenbat on January 13, 2016, 04:37:04 PM
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people still think its limited to just a few? i wonder when they finally stop protecting those suspected of doing it in the IPL..
http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/961809.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/southafrica/content/story/961809.html)
A former South African national player has been charged with corruption involving match-fixing, ESPNcricinfo has learned.
The player, who has yet to be named, is understood to be the same "intermediary" who was the subject of a CSA press release in December, following attempts to influence results in South Africa's domestic competition, the Ram Slam T20 Challenge.
In their original statement, CSA said the intermediary had been charged under its anti-corruption code with "contriving to fix, or otherwise improperly influence aspects" of the 2014-15 domestic Twenty20 competition.
The person involved had also been charged with "failing, or refusing without compelling justification, to cooperate with an investigation carried out by an anti-corruption official."
South Africa's Prevention and Combating of Corrupt Activities Act Law was introduced in 2004 and included a so-called "Hansie clause" to tackle corruption in sporting events, such as those for which Hansie Cronje, South Africa's former captain, received a life ban from cricket in 2000.
ESPNcricinfo also understands that other players involved in the competition will face the lesser charge of failing to report an approach, a breach of the ICC anti-corruption code that carries a ban of up to five years if found guilty.
"Our attitude to corruption will always be one of zero tolerance and we are confident that we have the necessary structures in place to effectively deal with any corrupt activity," said Haroon Lorgat, the CSA chief executive, in December.
"We will relentlessly pursue under our code and the law of the land any persons we believe to be involved in corrupting the game and, with assistance from the police, we will also seek criminal prosecution."
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Who's your money on it being?
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'Our approach is zero tolerance'
What a load of b******t
Those failing to speak up are equally guilty because that's turning a blind eye. Maximum isn't long enough but 5 years total ban should at least send a message. Anyone cauht actually doing it, completely kicked out never to return in any capacity at any level
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Does that mean a test player if they had a CSA press release?
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Who's your money on it being?
Roll of the dice.. named players
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Roll of the dice.. Prince or pierersen (a one not k)
Not a current player I think. Wouldn't like to speculate, but there's players around SA with history.
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Yeah would be surprised if its anyone close to the test team...having said that Hansie Cronjie case I would never of believed that.....
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You never know. Let's see
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Not a current player I think. Wouldn't like to speculate, but there's players around SA with history.
Gibbs, boje, Botha to name a few more
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we probably shouldn't throw names out there..not fair!
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Roll of the dice.. Prince or pierersen (a one not k)
How did you arrive at these names?
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How did you arrive at these names?
"roll of the dice"
I went for 'just retired' type players as that would be controversial and I assume given they haven't released the name that it's potentially someone juicy rather than a named players who tbh, we all know are cheats anyway.
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I don't think it is wise to speculate on a public forum. Let's wait until we hear some more.
From what I remember of Gibbs efforts at match fixing, wasn't he rubbish at it? He agreed to get out before a certain individual total - 20 odd or something, but got carried away and scored 80 odd?
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I don't think it is wise to speculate on a public forum. Let's wait until we hear some more.
From what I remember of Gibbs efforts at match fixing, wasn't he rubbish at it? He agreed to get out before a certain individual total - 20 odd or something, but got carried away and scored 80 odd?
Yeah I was a bit naughty asking, I have my suspicions but none I'm prepared to face libel for!
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"our approach is zero tolerance"
Any risk manager knows you can't have zero tolerance...
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Some reports that just came out here at the local news
http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/gulam-bodi-apparently-the-key-figure-in-cricket-match-fixing-scandal-report-20160114 (http://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/gulam-bodi-apparently-the-key-figure-in-cricket-match-fixing-scandal-report-20160114)
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Who?!
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Briefly played ODI or T20s for South Africa. Was on the domestic scene for a number of years. Got an IPL contract also if I remember correctly.
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Briefly played ODI or T20s for South Africa. Was on the domestic scene for a number of years. Got an IPL contract also if I remember correctly.
ah, IPL...
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Played in the CLT20 too. Think the titans qualified 2/3 times
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http://cricket.co.za/news/10954/Bodi-charged-under-CSA-anti-corruption-code (http://cricket.co.za/news/10954/Bodi-charged-under-CSA-anti-corruption-code)
He has now been charged.
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The quota pick whom was selected for Natal ahead of Pietersen...
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Played against Bodi a few times, bit of a cock tbh.
Rumours it's been expanded, now 2 current test players involved.
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2 active SA test players are being investigated according to Paul Newmans article,
It's ok though, smiley says it doesn't matter and it's perfectly acceptable to chest and be accepted back.
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2 active SA test players are being investigated according to Paul Newmans article,
It's ok though, smiley says it doesn't matter and it's perfectly acceptable to chest and be accepted back.
Chest??
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I'm going with cheat, mistyped , s is next to a on the keyboard.
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the plot thickens..apparently "two, active former test cricketers" (whatever that means) are involved
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/15/two-test-players-investigation-match-fixing-south-africa (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jan/15/two-test-players-investigation-match-fixing-south-africa)
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and now we learn that even Wimbledon is not safe !
http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35319202 (http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35319202)
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and now we learn that even Wimbledon is not safe !
[url]http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35319202[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/35319202[/url])
Tennis has never been safe! It's just harder to get caught given the amount of tournaments they play in a calendar and all over the world. Particularly on bet fair you see the big money lumped on at certain stages of games against the run of play.
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Hasnt this been going on for about 16 years now? SA v Eng.. Rain affected play for 3 days the last day both teams declared to leave england needing 249 off from about 2 sessions. They won but the saffa captain admitted he offered it because some bookmakers asked him to do it? Think thats how the story goes? So i blame these saffas for introducing the cricketing world to this sort of behaviour!
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Bodi was a guest-pro for my bosses team in a cup semi final. He made 0 runs and bowled 4 overs for 50. Boss reckons the opposition had paid him to basically blob, so it doesn't sound like it's new to him
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Bodi was a guest-pro for my bosses team in a cup semi final. He made 0 runs and bowled 4 overs for 50. Boss reckons the opposition had paid him to basically blob, so it doesn't sound like it's new to him
Sounds like my average Saturday to be fair.
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Bodi was a guest-pro for my bosses team in a cup semi final. He made 0 runs and bowled 4 overs for 50. Boss reckons the opposition had paid him to basically blob, so it doesn't sound like it's new to him
You seen my last scorecard ??
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I'd just be happy I got to bowl 4 overs haha
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Add Tsolekile to the list
Even in sri lanka there seems to be a match fixing investigation going on. Their bowling coach trying to fix games!
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Add Tsolekile to the list
Even in sri lanka there seems to be a match fixing investigation going on. Their bowling coach trying to fix games!
Is anyone genuinely surprised about this? It's sad but I think we have to accept we may not always be seeing the 'true' gam. However, at he end of the day who cares people will enjoy and boast about say (purely an example) a stokes 250 blasting even if it turns out SA were paid to fall apart etc .
Meh, either take all games as fun but could be rigged or just ignore it
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from the BBC Sportsday page:
"Cricket South Africa has banned former international Gulam Bodi for 20 years after he admitted charges of contriving or attempting to fix matches in the 2015 RAM SLAM T20."
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Good to see south africa taking a stand,everyone has a view of course but its got to be a career ending ban otherwise players will take the risk?
If it was an england player i reckon most fans would want 20 year bans
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20 years is a proper ban unlike the one the Pakistani guys got.
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from the reports it sounds like no match fixing actually took place
it was just planning to fix....
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from the reports it sounds like no match fixing actually took place
it was just planning to fix....
Just as bad really though isn't it?
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20 years is a proper ban unlike the one the Pakistani guys got.
match fixing (Cronje, Azharuddin, Jadeja, Saleem Malik) vs spot fixing (Samuels, Amir, Butt) vs "providing information" (Warne). Different punishments for different crimes.
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Just as bad really though isn't it?
yes.....but Amir,Asif and Butt were convicted of spot fixing..cheating the game whichever way the cake is cut, and got 5 years. This guy hasn't actually fixed anything(if the reports are right) and gets 20 years.
Admitedly these things are very difficult to quantify but there does seem lots of grey areas.
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If I'm being fair.. The guy didn't deserve more than a year ban based on precident. Aamir 5 years for actually fixing.. 'Only' planning should be the same or less..
Very poor consistency shown. Either punish everyone properly or let everyone off like aamir. Can't mix and match, cheating is cheating
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So attempted murder is a lesser crime than shoplifting?
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If I'm being fair.. The guy didn't deserve more than a year ban based on precident. Aamir 5 years for actually fixing.. 'Only' planning should be the same or less..
Very poor consistency shown. Either punish everyone properly or let everyone off like aamir. Can't mix and match, cheating is cheating
As much as(well a helluva lot if us) don't like it,Pro is right,and that's what I was getting at in my post. comparing 'offences' this latest case is absurd. I hate the cheats just as much as the next person but it's impossible to believe anyone planning to cheat is more guilty than someone who actually cheats.the politics here smacks you in the face..
Mohammed Amir actually got understanding and sympathy from a lot of the U.K. press, is the same going to be done for this guy?
It doesn't look that way, he has four times the ban that the Pakistan players got
Are they making a distinction between spot fixing and match fixing? Looks that way to me,or does it depend which county the player is from?
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The Pakistani players and Samuels had careers waiting for them once their bans had been completed.
This guy had retired from cricket and even a 5 year ban would have ended all chances of coming back retirement. Too many Inconsistencies
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there is a huge difference between spot fixing, and match fixing. that is why guilty match fixers all got life bans, and why this guy gets 20 years for "attempting" to match fix. its not just about playing cricket - a ban is comprehensive. Salim Malik for example, is still trying to get permission to open a coaching academy.
Yes, cheating is unacceptable, but you can't call spot fixing and match fixing the same crime. That is why I asked, is attempted murder (this guy who just got punished) a lesser crime than shoplifting (spot fixing)?
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Don't think it's got anything to do with murder or shoplifting to be honest mate...
20 years is a weird ban, might as well be life, which it should be. Planned or succeeded doesn't make any difference, just means he got caught earlier. Sport is a privilege and a game based on honest competition, if you're not going to sign up to that then you've got no part in it. Should be a life ban, and good riddance.