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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: Chad on February 15, 2016, 09:31:33 PM

Title: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Chad on February 15, 2016, 09:31:33 PM
Hi lads, bought a bat the other day, and saw these fractures on the bat. Was just wondering if someone more knowledgeable could confirm whether this is storm damage or not?

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8768.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8768.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8774.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8774.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8771.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8771.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8772.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8772.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8780.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8780.jpg.html)

And through the back too:

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8781.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8781.jpg.html)

(http://i1010.photobucket.com/albums/af230/ch4d0m4n/IMG_8779.jpg) (http://s1010.photobucket.com/user/ch4d0m4n/media/IMG_8779.jpg.html)


The lighting isn't the best, but if you look closely, you should see the fractures I'm talking about. (And nope, I'm not talking about the surface crack in the middle of the bat! :D) The fractures seem to match the description that Streaky used, the thunderbolt like fracture, and some of them go to the back.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: hell4leather cricket on February 15, 2016, 09:36:15 PM
Yes
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 15, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
It's hard to tell fom the photos but the patterns are correct for wind damage also  storm damage is more Preverlant in narrow grain willow as narrow grains are normally found towards the top of the tree.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Chad on February 15, 2016, 10:14:56 PM
Cheers guys! :)
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: hell4leather cricket on February 15, 2016, 10:17:08 PM
Is this a used bat?
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Chad on February 15, 2016, 10:31:30 PM
Is this a used bat?

Yup, has been used for about half a season from what I've been told!
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Blank Bats on February 15, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
Yes I'm afraid it is
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: hell4leather cricket on February 15, 2016, 10:51:02 PM
Split shoulder aswell? It done well to last that long
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Blank Bats on February 15, 2016, 10:54:47 PM
Generally they are decent lookers too, I've yet to see an "ugly" SD bat.

Just an observation of mine.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Chad on February 15, 2016, 11:05:22 PM
Split shoulder aswell? It done well to last that long

Eagle eyes, as expected from the maker of my current favourite bat. ;) I hadn't even noticed the split shoulder - this bat shall be returned!

Out of interest Matt, do you know if aggressive drying can also cause storm damage like symptoms?

Generally they are decent lookers too, I've yet to see an "ugly" SD bat.

Just an observation of mine.

Ditto, always have been great lookers. I got a Ricochet 250 off Uzi, which had been hardly used, more than 12 grains, stunning, only for it to split beyond repair. :-[ I'm almost certain there are ugly ones out there though!
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: hell4leather cricket on February 15, 2016, 11:11:07 PM
Unfortunatly it's a fault in the tree , the split on the face is a give away also
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: i12breakfree on February 16, 2016, 01:58:17 AM
That looks like a bdm.
It will be hard to find these defects when the bat is brand new and you just get a few pics from seller.

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Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: langer17 on February 16, 2016, 04:19:46 AM
I was wondering if this has Storm Damage as well? It looks similar to Chad's bat. I'm struggling to get the right angles to show it properly but there are multiple marks throughout the blade so I'm leaning towards storm damage:

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2004.13.16_zpsb0tczzug.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2004.13.16_zpsb0tczzug.jpg.html)

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2004.13.16-1_zpswshdcl9r.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2004.13.16-1_zpswshdcl9r.jpg.html)

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2004.13.17_zpslwsza0w4.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2004.13.17_zpslwsza0w4.jpg.html)

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2004.16.24_zpsyticqoxr.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2004.16.24_zpsyticqoxr.jpg.html)

I have no idea though, so thought I'd ask.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: langer17 on February 16, 2016, 04:38:19 AM
Some slightly better ones

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2014.31.01_zps4tlswuhp.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2014.31.01_zps4tlswuhp.jpg.html)

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2014.30.31_zpsckv1n1hb.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2014.30.31_zpsckv1n1hb.jpg.html)

(http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h440/butsy1723/2016-02-16%2014.29.59_zps1wzsgc2f.jpg) (http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/butsy1723/media/2016-02-16%2014.29.59_zps1wzsgc2f.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Centurion on February 16, 2016, 08:01:51 AM

Generally they are decent lookers too, I've yet to see an "ugly" SD bat.

Just an observation of mine.

I've had too ugly hunts storm damaged bats


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Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: ppccopener on February 16, 2016, 08:31:51 AM
it's wavy lines going across the grain to look for, at least that what Salix told me when I picked out a couple of the bargain bats a couple of years ago.They explained why it's impossible to know how long they will last and were therefore discounted

I've also seen those markings on full price bats thou so it's not practically possible for the batmaker/retailer to pick out every one of these bats, I do look for it now when buying a bat but they are so fine I wouldn't of noticed before it was explained to me......
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 16, 2016, 09:14:10 AM
The storm damage patterns in the willow  can go unnoticed until the bat is near completion
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on February 16, 2016, 09:30:42 AM
Obviously its not the bat makers fault but where does the owner stand with the bat? Should they be able to send it back to the maker for a replacement or do they wait for it to break and hope its within the warranty timeframe?
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: procricket on February 16, 2016, 09:50:03 AM
http://www.cricketbatblog.com/2015/10/23/compression-crease/ (http://www.cricketbatblog.com/2015/10/23/compression-crease/)


Little read up if you have not already
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Mel Jessop on February 16, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
In this instance the bat will be coming back to me, as I sold it to Chad, totally a unaware of any of the issues he has since found, it was my idea to put the thread up, I just wanted to hear everybody else's views on it really...

Shame, but these things happen I guess..
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: ppccopener on February 16, 2016, 10:11:57 AM
In this instance the bat will be coming back to me, as I sold it to Chad, totally a unaware of any of the issues he has since found, it was my idea to put the thread up, I just wanted to hear everybody else's views on it really...

Shame, but these things happen I guess..

good of you to sort it out. Any batmakers can get caught out with this issue, it's happened to quite a few un- knowingly. There's one or two who charge very high prices for these type of bats which is questionable but the majority are generally sympathietic(I my experience)
Hope you have some sort of resolution yourself with this. It's sourced form one of the best,that might help
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Wickets-then-runs on February 16, 2016, 10:12:49 AM
I was just curious as well... Good on you for taking the bat back!
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Mel Jessop on February 16, 2016, 10:18:07 AM
Well I guess the resolution for me will be the bin lol, and it's only fair to take it back TBH, I would expect the same from anybody else on here, hopefully we are not here to rip ppl off..

Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: dcullen8 on February 16, 2016, 10:19:54 AM
Get some quality use of out it before it blows up into a million pieces!

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Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Mel Jessop on February 16, 2016, 10:25:46 AM
Actually if anybody wants to take a punt on it, with its issues, it may still make a net bat I guess?  Then make me an offer, I will get Chad to post it to you, then I will refund Chad the difference...please be sure to read the entire thread, as now we know it's issues, it will be a bought as seen sale..

Thanks..
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: ppccopener on February 16, 2016, 10:29:48 AM
Well I guess the resolution for me will be the bin lol, and it's only fair to take it back TBH, I would expect the same from anybody else on here, hopefully we are not here to rip ppl off..



actually this sort of thread is why the sales section on here is so good compared to ebay and other sites....there's very few issues  and most members(whilst maybe wanting to make money) also want fellow cricketers to get a decent bat or bit of kit....

On the plus side.....if you end up keeping the bat there's nothing set in stone to say it's gonna break, but yes it's far more likely to.

I had a year out of my storm damaged salix, and a team mate had it for a year after that before it broke.  so not bad....but I knew it was storm damaged when I bought it and it was massively discounted.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: plumb111 on February 16, 2016, 10:57:04 AM
@Mel Jessop Let me know what sort of price your after - Tried to message you but your inbox is full.

I fancy taking a punt on it!
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Mel Jessop on February 16, 2016, 11:06:36 AM
@Mel Jessop Let me know what sort of price your after - Tried to message you but your inbox is full.

I fancy taking a punt on it!

Should be able to pm me now bud, make me a reasonable offer for it bud, the offer will need to include postage though, not worried about fees...
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 16, 2016, 12:59:22 PM
I would put a face sheet on it as it will help prevent the bat breaking and well done Mel for taking the bat back.
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 16, 2016, 05:07:43 PM
While I agree to an extent, I get the feeling with storm damage that if it's gunna go it'll go, adding facesheets/tape etc meerly prolong the inevitable.

And going back a few posts about storm damages bats always being lookers. My theory on this is that "lookers" have more grains. More grains means slower growth, and as the Willow has been outside longer it is exposed to more extreme weather than a quick growing tree, so the chances of it sustaining storm or wing damage age increased
Title: Re: Is this storm damaged?
Post by: edge on February 16, 2016, 06:40:20 PM
A face sheet won't make the blindest bit of difference when you're talking about a bat potentially snapping clean in half. They're not designed for strength, just to help by spreading impacts a little. Certainly didn't stop the bottom half of my bat ending up at the non-strikers feet when one of mine went!