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General Cricket => Cricket Training, Fitness and Injuries => Topic started by: ppccopener on March 05, 2016, 09:24:16 PM
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Ironic as I threw my golf clubs away about 20 years ago but I've just had this diagnosis after a year not really being able to throw over arm or bowl(I use the term bowl loosely)
I've been whizzing the ball in underarm viv Richards style for a year as I couldn't throw it over arm more than about five feet
So it's tendinitis in the shoulder and this golfer's elbow.....
I've got some weird excercises to do for a couple of months,the question I have is has anyone ever had this and is it really 3-6 months before the muscles get strong enough to power it in over the stumps from 200 yards away like I did in my yoof?
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I have had this before (in my 20s). I do remember it took 3-6 months of doing the rehab exercises before I was symptom free - although I could do my sports during that time if I was careful. Golfer's elbow is another variation of tendonitis. This was in my pre-cricket days (badminton injury) so can't say how long until you have/regain your bullet throw from the long boundary.
Can you use it as an excuse to be moved off the boundary rope? We have a couple of older guys who play against us and from 20 yards they rarely miss the stumps under arm. They are quite effective at drying up the quick singles.
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thanks, yes I think it's going to be in the ring all season
the thing is with this is once you get into your forties(im there!) al lot of guys I play with have lost their arm's, so I do think you can lose your throw late on just due to wear and tear.
But it's rehab excercises and I have been told there will be significant improvement, so my arm has not 'gone' but I doubt the power will be there.
Oddly enough, I've been playing a long time and I don't recall many bowlers having this injury
Out of interest...did you get all the power back in your arm after the rehab was done?
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Golfers elbow, or tendinitis of the Palmar flexor muscles in the underarm, is a long term diagnosis, and basically extending your elbow, supinating your underarm whilst Palmar flexing your wrist at the same time in a concentric movement, almost at any strain, will be painful.
What I've found to work is heat/20 min, cold 20/min nothing 20/min. This makes the tissue regenerate quicker.
Ultrasound always works with tendinitis, but you need someone to do it for you.
Laser treatment can also speeden up the process.
Kinesiotape can remodel the neurorespons in the elbow, hence helping you, and it also does a bit of myofascial release in the area, which usually helps the pain.
It takes time, the exercises are boring, but you need to work hard on the eccentric failure training, to undo the tendons so they can heal properly.
Hope this helps your mindset.
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My GP actually gave me acupuncture to ease mine a few years ago, I was sceptical but I've never had a problem since. Was a private GP mind you wouldn't expect to see that one on the NHS! Might be a good accompaniment to the exercises and other treatment.
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that's definatley worth looking into thanks for all the replies...
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My GP actually gave me acupuncture to ease mine a few years ago, I was sceptical but I've never had a problem since. Was a private GP mind you wouldn't expect to see that one on the NHS! Might be a good accompaniment to the exercises and other treatment.
How could I forget. Yes, dry needling! That's an absolute first resort.
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How could I forget. Yes, dry needling! That's an absolute first resort.
Yeah should add that this is the trigger point type or dry needling, not that esoteric Chinese version. Weird sensation when things start twitching I should add. Was not a fan of the process but the outcome was excellent!
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It's called grapping and releasing. Hate the process, love the outcome.
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This is great advise thanks all
I had never thought of acupuncture but im now checking this out
I figured some on the forum would of had this injury as its fairly common in swimming or a throwing action
The golfers elbow happens when you whip the ball in when the muscles are strained according to my physio
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Yep I struggled with it for a good couple of years and played through it as I didn't want to take a break. KT tape does the job to get you through games, what finally seems to have kicked it was lifting/throwing/bowling nothing for two months when I was out with another injury and careful stretching and rehabbing in the gym when I got back mobile again.
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Echo all the above - sorry to hear you're suffering.
If you have a physio that will indulge you, or are willing to pay a sports physio, the only other thing worth looking at is if there is anything specific about your throwing etc that has CAUSED this in the first place, and whether it is correctable.
Otherwise, you may "get over" this episode, but suffer a recurrence...
Just something to think about for the future
Cheers
rbanners
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Thanks I did pay to see a physio on Friday. I presumed......very wrongly......he was going to massage the area like everyone else I've seen
In fact he spent 40 mins talking to me and explaining what was wrong and then 20 mins advising on excercises.
You're obviously familiar with physio work from your post and the 'reaching for the can of beans' was referenced lots of times.I did it one way he did it another...
I will have to relearn the mechanics of throwing to use the muscles once they are strengthened.
In simple terms he explained it needs to be more 'round' as the shoulder moves
I'm not sure right now how much improvement I will get, but there will be some.
Just thinking about some pro cricketers who lose their arm there is quite a few.
Not 100 per cent sure but I think David Gower was well know for not 'having an arm' in the outfield.
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I had golfers elbow about 10 years ago, did it playing kwik cricket, constant slogging lol... it was on and off for about 2 years!
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I had golfers elbow about 10 years ago, did it playing kwik cricket, constant slogging lol... it was on and off for about 2 years!
Ah another fellow sufferer! I knew there was a few of us...
Did it go away on its own?
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Ah another fellow sufferer! I knew there was a few of us...
Did it go away on its own?
Eventually yes but i think wearing a support when playing helps, although does restrict movement slightly. I think if you just ice the area and don't grip anything too tightly and stock to physio exercises it should sort itself out. I kept aggravating mine by lifting up shopping bags!!
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I've managed to regain a little of my throwing arm, by working on shoulder exercises over the last couple of years.
I used to be able to throw miles, but it literally went over night!
But saying that my grip strength and wrists are knackered now, which I'm putting down to driving 50k a year.
I've got a hospital app today, so I'm hoping something can be done and not just old age/abuse/mis use etc
I'm 49, was hoping I could carry on playing a little longer
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Out of interest...did you get all the power back in your arm after the rehab was done?
Probably doesn't count as I didn't start playing cricket until my mid thirties but I actually have a better throw now than as a nipper. In my first season of play I damaged my rotator cuff. As part of my (self imposed) rehab I trained my throwing technique during the winter (high elbow, more use of wrist etc). Normal stuff - find a brick wall and a rubber ball and practice hitting one of the bricks from 5/10/20m back for 5 or 10 minutes in a lunch break. Not much use to the team as I'm normally stood behind the stumps but I play the low level which often requires extra fielders on the opposite team so its worth being able to throw back to the stumps with just enough delay to make sure your teams batsman gets in on time :)
I've had my share of injuries and I have found that given consistent training I have been able to come back just as strong from each one. It just takes a shift in attitude to accept its going to take longer and you might have to adapt a bit. e.g. 12 months ago I had a double distal fracture to my collarbone. Its taken 9 months to heal properly but by doing my rehab along the way I can now do more pull ups than I could before the break (17) and my bowling is arguably better (I have gone from a medium-fast spray the ball all over bowler to a trundling line and length bowler hitting middle and off -useful in net sessions). Keep your spirits up and try to adapt with it to make you a more effective player.
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Just back from hospital and they've said I have arthritis in my left thumb and golfers elbow on my right arm.
Got a feeling I'm gonna be following this thread closely
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All I can say brother is that's two of us in the same week!!
and it looks like we are in for the long haul from the problems the others have had
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Since 2014, my right elbow (throwing arm) hurts whenever I would throw. If I am bowling and exerting full arm force, it hurts.
In 2014, I went to my Doctor who got x-rays, blood test etc done and said its nothing but pain was always there.
Whenever, I stop playing cricket or do anything where I have to throw, I'm fine. On Sunday we had fielding drill (for first time) and it was hurting again.
Is this golfer elbow? Going by what I have read online/here, seems like I have it too!
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It might be,it might not be...but anyway welcome to the club :)
*****for all the players reading this who can ping it in from virtually anywhere and thud it into the keeper,you know that 'thud' sound, do us a favour and next time you ping it in have a little smile to yourself******
Because one day you might not be able to do it.
I wonder if anyone has ever learned to throw it in with the opposite arm!! Just a thought !!
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@northernmonkey
Sorry to hear. What were you hoping to hear at hospital?
Rbanners
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Definitely not arthritis in my thumb!
They can sort the pain with either injections or when it gets really bad removing a bone, but there's nothing they can do for the pincer strength .
I'm thinking that now,it's damage limitation, no catching practice pre season for a start
I'm back in the gym after years away, and I feel that's helped, just doing old man routines,(from you tube)
The throwing I can handle , but not having the strength to hold the bat is the scary thing
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@coverdrive and others:
Have a look at this and see if the story fits:
http://www.sheffieldhandandelbowpain.com/elbow-pain/what-is-elbow-pain/golfers-elbow
If you have golfers elbow, then this isn't an illness that's befallen you, this is an injury that sadly, you've caused yourself.
As I said earlier, it needs healing, then strengthening with correct physio and aforementioned therapies.
And then it needs "correcting", if possible, to stop it happening again (or you doing it to yourself again). There isn't much a doctor or the hospital can do about it, sadly.
Not cheering, but it must be nice to know it's not a sign of there being something wrong with you, but more a sign that you're either doing something wrong, or doing something your body is not coping with the demand of.
Pros nowadays have such close monitoring and coaching that they can nip a lot of these problems in the bud and correct their techniques etc. and they still get injuries!
This is all assuming that diagnosis is correct etc etc and all the usual disclaimers about diagnosing on Internet and self diagnosis etc
Cheers
Rbanners
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Our power grip comes from our little and ring fingers (hence the most redundant finger for a right hander is your left index finger). You can almost think of this (golfers elbow) as a sort of repetitive strain type injury, with a build up of tears and inflammation causing the pain.
Steroid injections can settle the inflammation and help with the pain BUT do nothing towards healing or correcting things. The idea is, that with the pain controlled, you can do he physio properly to help strengthen and heal the inflamed and damages tendons.
Hope all this makes sense. Have you had knocks to your thumb in the past?
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Knocks to the thumb, a cricket ball hitting it for 40yrs!
2x bad car crashes,(gripping steering wheel on impact)
Structural steelworker,hod carrier,landscape gardener etc
Not done myself any favours
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Knocks to the thumb, a cricket ball hitting it for 40yrs!
2x bad car crashes,(gripping steering wheel on impact)
Structural steelworker,hod carrier,landscape gardener etc
Not done myself any favours
well, i wouldn't be hard on yourself - we none of us live our lives wrapped in cotton wool. i've rarely taken a knock to the thumb but have done my ring finger a few times, mis-timing catches.
was just trying to work out why you would get OA (or wear, tear and repair arthritis) so young.
but now that you say you've taken lots of knocks to your thumb, it makes sense - bit like how running shoes wear out quicker than dress shoes (unless you go to loads of posh dinners of course).
thats a lot of different jobs you've had!
rbanners
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Thanks for the link banners, that's really useful and exactly what some of us have.
Some good advice on here from you and others.
I think it's safe to say some of us are in a pretty long term healing process, or to put it another way...there's no quick fix..
Which is want we want but can't have
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Ha ha
Window cleaner,bus driver,bag tackler,lift engineer,upholsterer,sales
Jack of all master of none.
The doc just smiled when I told him
Any thoughts to help going forward most welcome
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update on the exercises, ive been doing them religiously for 2 weeks and there is already improvement in the elbow, things life lifting shopping bags, etc no longer result in any pain.
So.......2 weeks into 3 months of specific exercises given by the physio APPEAR to be working already.
so for those fellow sufferers get cracking with the programme :) :)
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@ppccopener
Glad to hear that you are getting somewhere and that you've had the patience and diligence to keep going. With a lot of these things (as with cricket itself!) a lot of personal motivation and application is required.
I gave myself some tennis elbow knocking a bat in with my new LV mallet! After just one day! Goes to show that with these overuse or misuse tendinopathies, it's either the work of months/years or even a day that can aggravate things. Have had to work on my knocking in technique now.
@Northern monkey - patience and diligence. And correct diagnosis! How are you doing now?
Good luck to you both
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I need to you tube some exercises and massage for it
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I had a problem with golfers elbow last year, which eventually turned out to be a symptom of a muscle imbalance which later caused problems with an impinged ulnar nerve.
I treated it successfully mainly with compression and working on the imbalance.
For compression I used a bicycle inner tube cut so it was flat. Wrapped it tightly around my elbow (about 2 inches above my elbow down to 2 inches below) and then flexed my elbow slowly for about a minute with it wrapped. This is pretty uncomfortable and you don't really get used to it :P I would then take off the wrapping and repeat the movement. Then reapply the wrapping and do it again. I'd try to do this 4 nights a week.
The imbalance was a general problem with my shoulder girdle so may not be applicable but that was fixed by doing resistance band pull aparts and focusing on squeezing my rhomboids. I also added supinated grip barbell rows to my workouts.
The chances are as a cricketer you will have tight pectoral muscles from throwing movements, stretching these muscles and strengthening their antagonistic muscles in the back will generally be beneficial.
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Has anybody used KT tape for golfer elbow? If so, does it help?
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Has anybody used KT tape for golfer elbow? If so, does it help?
Not golfer's elbow exactly, but I've used it for similar elbow tendon problems and it's a big help preventing pain/anything worsening during games.
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K Tape is something that really interests me. I've used it several times and noticed absolutely nothing, I've also got no idea how it could possibly work, since you are only minimally restricting any movement and even then it's only holding skin in place. Yet it has benefited so many people I know.
Part of me thinks it's mostly placebo and I'm annoyed that there hasn't been any decent wide scale research or trials into it.
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im going to buy some of this tape to help when the first games start.It was recommended by the physio I saw.
Again...not sure how it works but he assured me it would 'help a bit'
which is fine
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A lot of the therapeutic claims made are probably rubbish, but as a clever way to apply support tape it works very well in my experience.
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I've picked up a theraband flexbar from fleabay, will try that and report back
First game today and I'm dreading throwing the ball!
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Good luck with that I've delayed the start of my season a bit so missing this weekends games for a bit more rehab on the elbow and shoulder but will be buying some sort of tape or band for matches.
Not allowed to throw myself thou until end of May on physios instructions.
I remember well playing as a kid with some older guys and wondering why we hid them in the field!
What comes around goes around :)
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Yeah I've gotta field slip these days
My days of whipping the ball in from miles is long gone
My arms been playing up last couple of weeks, I'm hoping it's just because I've done lots of driving,(1200 a week!) and not because I've had a few nets
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Off to the docs tonight
Got a weird pain in my forearm as well as the golfers elbow crap
Want them to refer me for physio, or at least point me in the right direction with this
Daft thing is, batting and throwing are fine, it's the rest of the time I'm struggling , drivings a nightmare and picking my kids up is hard work
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Off to the docs tonight
Got a weird pain in my forearm as well as the golfers elbow crap
Want them to refer me for physio, or at least point me in the right direction with this
Daft thing is, batting and throwing are fine, it's the rest of the time I'm struggling , drivings a nightmare and picking my kids up is hard work
may well be different in your part of the Country but in London, at least where is live, physio for non urgent is months on the waiting list.I went private to see someone quick.
So far...my excercises seem to be working, but it's long term. Yours sounds like more of a repetitive strain problem due to the long driving hours
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I need someone to go through what I have to do to sort it
Hopefully I don't have to pay, but I'm not holding my breath
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Doc says it's now tennis elbow?
Anyway
Will start stretching/exercise/strengthening for that asap
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Tendonitus/golfers elbow update 9 months after physio gave me specific exercises to do for 6 months, no exercises for last 3 months here is the update:
I can now bend my elbow and lift it up to shoulder level and back towards the centre of the back with no pain....
So....it appears to have got better. I can bowl in the nets with no specific pain like before only the normal stiffness you get being as old has been.
Throwing I don't know about, havnt tried and I'm not sure I'm going to because that's where the original problem came from. To counter this during games I was whipping it in underarm-this then over compensated to give a painful elbow problem.
Last season I 'bowled a few in' from the outfield ring and got away with it so without wanting to risk a throw with the season coming up I wondered if any of the other sufferers 'bowl it in' or do something else.
I'm playing with lads on my side far younger and fitter than me and the oppo all have guys in their twenties so don't want to be a liability in the field-batting I can still hold my place with the best in my team.
My mate told me originally when I got the injury your shoulder goes after 40 and you won't get it back. back in the day I could hurl it in from most of the field. :)
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I had tennis elbow and was told by my GP it would come and go but never completely go away.
He knew I played cricket and advised me NOT to throw the ball hard as doing so could start it hurting.
So now I field at mid on or mid off about 6 feet from the non strikers batting crease.
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I've been stuck in slips for the last few seasons, thought that would keep me out of trouble, but managed to break my finger tip, so god knows what I'm gonna do this year.
I always preferred fielding at mid on/ off
I think bowling the ball in , is pretty much expected,from gents of a certain age, unfortunately.
And I'm way past that age
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Yes fielding at slip is the area where you more likely to sustain a finger injury especially your finger tips.
At least fielding at mid on or mid off close to the stumps you can hand the ball back to the bowler reducing the risk of elbow and shoulder injury.
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I had tennis elbow few years back and it took me almost an year to heal. Few things which worked for me were:
Always be active as you need blood flow in elbow.
Do lot of reverse curls with very light weight. I used an empty bar to do them.
Search about trigger point therapy online. Basically I used to press and rotate the painful area with thumb. I certainly regard this as most important routine on the road to recovery.
Only use forearm support when exercising or playing. Do not wear them unnecessarily.
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I had tennis elbow few years back and it took me almost an year to heal. Few things which worked for me were:
Always be active as you need blood flow in elbow.
Do lot of reverse curls with very light weight. I used an empty bar to do them.
Search about trigger point therapy online. Basically I used to press and rotate the painful area with thumb. I certainly regard this as most important routine on the road to recovery.
Only use forearm support when exercising or playing. Do not wear them unnecessarily.
good post mav if you have a particular forearm protector that has worked out ok please list the make, sounds like its going to be necessary for the start of the season
cheers...there's a few of us with this complaint so might assist some others on here as well
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I have just been diagnosed with tennis elbow, and there is no way I will allow my throw to disappear, direct hit run out from just in front of deep square leg very close to the rope on Sunday!
So my physio has taped me up, given me exercises/stretches to do and I have ordered this to help during games
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BABOLAT-Tennis-Elbow-Support-Natural/dp/B001OK5HF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495695660&sr=8-1&keywords=babolat+tennis+elbow (https://www.amazon.co.uk/BABOLAT-Tennis-Elbow-Support-Natural/dp/B001OK5HF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495695660&sr=8-1&keywords=babolat+tennis+elbow)
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I have just been diagnosed with tennis elbow, and there is no way I will allow my throw to disappear, direct hit run out from just in front of deep square leg very close to the rope on Sunday!
So my physio has taped me up, given me exercises/stretches to do and I have ordered this to help during games
https://www.amazon.co.uk/BABOLAT-Tennis-Elbow-Support-Natural/dp/B001OK5HF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495695660&sr=8-1&keywords=babolat+tennis+elbow (https://www.amazon.co.uk/BABOLAT-Tennis-Elbow-Support-Natural/dp/B001OK5HF8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495695660&sr=8-1&keywords=babolat+tennis+elbow)
I have a few different versions of these . I found them useful for throwing , for using when doing gym work , repetitive activities where you might exacerbate the tennis elbow via r.s.i etc. However , i found them next to useless when batting . My forearm would cramp up and then the injury would feel like it was worse/more painful ( i did experiment with tightening to various degrees, and this problem was what led to me buying a few different types , but re batting , none helped). Others may have different results/experience, but that's how it was for me.