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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: smilley792 on July 12, 2016, 09:49:24 PM
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So, the new rules ready for 2018 season if a tweet from Simon Hughes is to believed.
Is your match bat within the laws?
I can say for certain my Warner is not!!
My h4l Nv and blank bats may be close, if not a tad over on edge. Will get measuring tomorrow.
Who else will be at he wrath off there local umpire?
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38mm edge on the B3. I'm screwed.
Gonna write my own laws, eff the MCC
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Hmmm...I don't know what the new rules and haven't seen the "memo". But this whining about bat size is idiotic. MCC doesn't have the balls to extend boundary lengths nor does it have the balls to change the batsman friendly field restrictions. This is why I can't stand T-20 and ODI cricket anymore - it is such a farce!
I don't need my big Warner to hit sixes, I am doing fine with a normal 2-12+ bat. What people don't realize is that not everyone can swing a bat that size for 40+ overs. It is just silly.
International cricket is managed by idiots.
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Just checked, looks like every bat I own is either over or borderline on the 35/60mm limit. Mostly not particularly big bats either - the biggest couple are well over, but even a ten year old 2lb10 long blade wouldn't quite pass. Smallest is an Aldred that's probably almost exactly 35/60 and I have no problem hitting sixes with that, so don't think it would be any problem for an international player!
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I have 2 x e41's that are 2lb7.5 with 41mm edge and 64mm spine......doesn't seem right that my weakling lightweights could be illegal ! In fact , all my bats are between 2lb6 and 2lb8 and are all beyond the 35/60 mm specs . Should have kept my dd slasher size 4 circa 1984 , would come in handy if these regulations are passed . ;)
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Bear in mind it's just a proposal from the committee, which the MCC may choose to ignore. The MCC have previously vetoed bat size restrictions, although the arguments are much more vociferous now
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I think they're will be a couple in my collection that fit into the size limit.
Interestingly they're all older bats! My Hunts Counties from circa 2006/07 will be within the proposed size limit, but nothing newer will be.
Even my H4L NV, which I think of as one of my smaller bats, has edges that are too thick and a spine that's too high... :-[
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MCC just wants us to buy new bats, don't think cbfers would mind :D
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This hysteria concerning the edge sizing is ridiculous. There no data supporting their big edge theories. I would be more interested in research regarding the volume of the bats in relation to the elasticity, ie: an actual explanation for ping.
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Almost the 600 GBP I spent will be deemed illegal but then I am glad I got it before this was announced.
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One plus is tht this probably signals the end of concaving in bats
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Are they not likely to follow the same rules as the graphite backed bats? I.e. amateurs won't be expected to replace kit, they'll be allowed to use for the remainder of their natural life
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Are they not likely to follow the same rules as the graphite backed bats? I.e. amateurs won't be expected to replace kit, they'll be allowed to use for the remainder of their natural life
I would have thought so. As far as I'm aware, players are allowed to use the Slazenger TAS bats with the oak inserts all the way up to, but not including, first class cricket. So I'm guessing the Fun Police aren't going to be raiding cricket clubs looking for contraband willow.
This must also mean an end to lightweight clefts. If we've got to stick to the 35/60 rule then surely "Low density" willow will be replaced by "High Density" willow, as making a 35/60mm bat out of light density willow will come out at about 2.5. Good for bat makers because surely there's more high density willow out there than low?
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Link to tweet
(http://i997.photobucket.com/albums/af94/btk66/Simon%20Hughes%20Tweet.jpg) (http://s997.photobucket.com/user/btk66/media/Simon%20Hughes%20Tweet.jpg.html)
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My B&S has a 46mm edge but a 57mm spine, so 1/2 if it's legal at least haha
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Simon Hughes knows nothing, he got a very unimpressed message from GN on the subject...
Bumble was in the money tweeting about boundary sizes etc.
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Havwnt read the full report, but what will the define as the edge and spine, will there be room for some innovative designs that circumnavigate the rules?
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Ultimately this has to get rejected. You can't get around the F=ma fact. New bats may have larger middles, due to design, but that cant be managed by regulation, neither can pressing or cleft density as they are too expensive to non-destructive test.
Think that Boundaries, Balls, Pitches, Fielder and Bowler Regulations are the only areas that could be examined with changes passing down through all levels of the game.
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Why is everyone quoting 35mm and 60mm?
The proposal is for edges between 35mm and 40mm and spinner heights between 60mm & 65mm
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png.html)
Stolen from Laver & Wood's Facebook page
The MCC has proposed a maximum thickness of a bat edge to be between 35mm and 40mm, and the overall depth of the bat to be between 60mm and 65mm. Read full statement here: [url]https://www.lords.org/assets/Uploads/Balance-of-the-Game-Paper-V9.pdf[/url] ([url]https://www.lords.org/assets/Uploads/Balance-of-the-Game-Paper-V9.pdf[/url])
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even if the recommendations are not implemented SURELY this is now the time to buy a bat with huge edges and mahoosive spine?
what are we waiting for ?? what's better than getting a new bat I ask you forum members?
:) :)
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even if the recommendations are not implemented SURELY this is now the time to buy a bat with huge edges and mahoosive spine?
what are we waiting for ?? what's better than getting a new bat I ask you forum members?
:) :)
Getting 2 or 3 bats, along with matching gloves, pads and a bag :D
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I think all of my current bats will be illegal............
H4L Hellfire Monster 42mm edge 68mm spine
H4L Tempo Mk1 edges no bother but the spine is massive
Kookaburra Biggest Kahuna is similar dimensions to the Hellfire
B3 Pepsi 46-47mm edges and again massive spine
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Why is everyone quoting 35mm and 60mm?
The proposal is for edges between 35mm and 40mm and spinner heights between 60mm & 65mm
([url]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png[/url]) ([url]http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png.html[/url])
Stolen from Laver & Wood's Facebook page
A worst case scenario I guess.
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Most of my bats are between 35-40mm edges anyway - not measured the spine and I don't intend to!
I always go for pressing and response, pickup and feel. So never too bothered about edge size.
A bit like the helmets with the neck protectors, I still wear normal Ayrtek without neck protector for league matches.
I am pretty sure that even if these rules did happen, I very much doubt that they will ever be policed to the letter of the law!
Half the umpires in our leagues are old and are just there for a nice tea and some nice weather anyway! (nice weather.....hmmm!)
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surely this wouldn't affect lower standard club/Village cricket?
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Talking of weather ... I haven't batted since May due to rain/unfit grounds. I went up to check our ground last night and the outfield still moves in a jelly like wobble when you walk on it. Totally saturated
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surely this wouldn't affect lower standard club/Village cricket?
No chance the rules will be enforced, but much like laminate bats the majority of batmakers will stop making big bats if they're banned. Be interesting to see exactly what form the rules take and where bat shapes go as a result.
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I can't see it getting through, I also can't see them being able to tell someone what weight they can use. The pink test and any other test with grass on the wicket never go past 3 days so big bats make no difference.
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No chance the rules will be enforced, but much like laminate bats the majority of batmakers will stop making big bats if they're banned. Be interesting to see exactly what form the rules take and where bat shapes go as a result.
Lets see. How do you make a massive bat, without a massive spine height? If we're going to the letter of the law which is what will happen, rather than the Spirit) I predict the rebirth of the Scoop, in an interesting new design, the St Peter Flatback and the Newbery Tour, which in a new model has next to no edge. You can get a huge amount of wood into a cricket bat by starting from a trapezoid instead of a toblerone, and almost certainly that's what you'll see in terms of designs, with some weight modifications from digging in.
This kind of rule will always be worked around....
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I would not be surprised if the the regulation will not be on bat size, but instead on raw cleft size.
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I presume they'll have a gauge like the one in Lavers photo and that'll prevent any false edges to get round the rules, same goes for most other imaginative shapes that I can think of.
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I would not be surprised if the the regulation will not be on bat size, but instead on raw cleft size.
How would you police that?
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Someone on Twitter said they should regulator moisture content only.
Yeah I can see players wanting to let umpires spear there bat for a reading mid game!
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How would you police that?
There are probably 8 willow firms in the UK, so just need buy in and agreement from them.
Back in 2013 when the issue was first discussed I believe this was the proposal following discussion from Kember and Ruggles.
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Most of my bats are within 35-40 mm range. However the so-cal doesn't enforce many of these restrictions. Laminated bats are still used by many players and they don't ask them to replace it. Honestly many people don't know what laminated bats are !!!
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Most of my bats are within 35-40 mm range. However the so-cal doesn't enforce many of these restrictions. Laminated bats are still used by many players and they don't ask them to replace it. Honestly many people don't know what laminated bats are !!!
Haha. I was thinking about that! Clubbies have it good.
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I have three bats and all mine would be legal. Dont feel edge and spine height make much difference, two of them are fantastic. Wouldnt bother me, i reasonably confident it will make no difference to the totals teams are scoring anyway.
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I have three bats and all mine would be legal. Dont feel edge and spine height make much difference, two of them are fantastic. Wouldnt bother me, i reasonably confident it will make no difference to the totals teams are scoring anyway.
My match bats are all legal under these description. The best of those is the B3 1271 (mod) which is so good because of the amount of wood in the blade rather than the height of the spine/edges. It's shape is very similar (in reality) to that of the late 80s/early 90s SS Turbo. Both bats that have a lot of wood, zero concaving and neither hugely pronounced spine nor edges. It also weighs 2lb 10oz.
And I still hit sixes with it. Against opening bowlers. Yeah. It's definitely the bat, and not my practising, learning to hit differently thanks to LMS or the fact that for the last couple of years I've been to the gym a lot and massively improved my strength.
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Haha. I was thinking about that! Clubbies have it good.
Noticed a non-striker using CA15k bat while umpiring last week. It was a laminated bat and he was boasting about how he got a genuine CA for a cheap price from Dubai. I just controlled my laughter and said good work ... :D
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My match bats are all legal under these description. The best of those is the B3 1271 (mod) which is so good because of the amount of wood in the blade rather than the height of the spine/edges. It's shape is very similar (in reality) to that of the late 80s/early 90s SS Turbo. Both bats that have a lot of wood, zero concaving and neither hugely pronounced spine nor edges. It also weighs 2lb 10oz.
And I still hit sixes with it. Against opening bowlers. Yeah. It's definitely the bat, and not my practising, learning to hit differently thanks to LMS or the fact that for the last couple of years I've been to the gym a lot and massively improved my strength.
Glad u agree, Im not that bothered about giant bats. Fair play for the gym work, not very amatuer cricket.
I guess my point was, who cares? Bring it in, nothing will change. I know some on here and david warner like huge bats but will not make a difference.
I picked up a 1271 at a trade fair at edgbaston a few years back and i was amazed at the pick up if that one. Debated getting one since ever since.
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Most of my bats are within 35-40 mm range. However the so-cal doesn't enforce many of these restrictions. Laminated bats are still used by many players and they don't ask them to replace it. Honestly many people don't know what laminated bats are !!!
Laminate's what i've got on my floor, can't imagine it being any good on a bat
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Just bought a new Blank Bats B2 - 38mm edge so I'm out. Checked all 5 of my bats and don't think one of them would fit! D'oh!
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MCC - lets consult with the bat makers. Bat maker - shhh lets tell them 60 /35 so the market has to buy more bats. Queue evil laughter Hahahaha
Surely there is a conflict of interest here?
MCC should have been able to make the decision on the information already presented. Whilst consultation is important this feels like the MCC sharing responsibility? If I was a bat maker I'd say, look It may level the playing field so we can all compete, assist with sustainability, etc etc but I'm distancing myself from this as I don't make the rules you do.
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MCC - lets consult with the bat makers. Bat maker - shhh lets tell them 60 /35 so the market has to buy more bats. Queue evil laughter Hahahaha
Surely there is a conflict of interest here?
MCC should have been able to make the decision on the information already presented. Whilst consultation is important this feels like the MCC sharing responsibility? If I was a bat maker I'd say, look It may level the playing field so we can all compete, assist with sustainability, etc etc but I'm distancing myself from this as I don't make the rules you do.
And the demand for high density willow will surely increase, which from what i hear is more common than low density clefts. Does the size of the bat actually matter anyway? Speed+Mass=Velocity or something like that? Why would a huge low density cleft hit the ball further than a small high density cleft? Unless the low density wood acts as some sort of a spring
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im guessing my mongoose mmi3 probably wouldnt pass the test. its a shame of this does happen and stop innovation like mongoose in cricket.
i suppose though manufacturers will find other ways to make it work
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MCC - lets consult with the bat makers. Bat maker - shhh lets tell them 60 /35 so the market has to buy more bats. Queue evil laughter Hahahaha
Surely there is a conflict of interest here?
The MCC have always offered a grace period in club cricket when banning bats or designs.
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New business opportunity for bat makers to provide a service to trim down your tree trunks into more humane appearance.
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Why is everyone quoting 35mm and 60mm?
The proposal is for edges between 35mm and 40mm and spinner heights between 60mm & 65mm
([url]http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png[/url]) ([url]http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/Screenshot_20160713-085711_zpssqngg7cy.png.html[/url])
Stolen from Laver & Wood's Facebook page
I think the maximum edge should be 20 mm and the maximum depth (spine) should be 30 mm, and the boundary line should be 80 meters minimum.
@shax12 "ab tera kia hoga k**lya".
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https://www.lords.org/assets/Uploads/Balance-of-the-Game-Paper-V9.pdf (https://www.lords.org/assets/Uploads/Balance-of-the-Game-Paper-V9.pdf)
Full PDF of the MCC recommendations and analysis
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I think the maximum edge should be 20 mm and the maximum depth (spine) should be 30 mm, and the boundary line should be 80 meters minimum.
The bat Grinch lives
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I think the maximum edge should be 20 mm and the maximum depth (spine) should be 30 mm, and the boundary line should be 80 meters minimum.
@shax12 "ab tera kia hoga k**lya".
You need to get a life you low life. Keep mentioning me in all your posts. I know your jealous and as I told you before I am more then willing to donate you a bat so you can stop your hating and stupid comments.
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New business opportunity for bat makers to provide a service to trim down your tree trunks into more humane appearance.
can be done by cnc in 2 minutes i have done it a couple of times
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http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/250800/250867.jpg (http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/250800/250867.jpg)
Wow that spine on Carlos' bat looks like a double decker duckbill! Must be at least 80mm.
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Wow that spine on Carlos' bat looks like a double decker duckbill! Must be at least 80mm.
And the rest, be amazed if that isn't laminated - probably just a practice bat...
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/250867_zpsozypsgyv.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/250867_zpsozypsgyv.jpg.html)
I'll have one in 2lb7 please...
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As suggested by Neon, it's almost certainly a laminate. I feel like i can see the crudely finished join halfway up the bulge.
Plenty of massive laminated practice bats about, have been for years.
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that is massive..is that one made by himself or a batmaker?
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Why don't they just make the ball smaller?
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Why don't they just make the ball smaller?
Absolutely not, don't even know where to begin on that one lol
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Why don't they just make the ball smaller?
Try range hitting with a gold ball and you'll understand why! ;)