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Equipment => Bats => Reviews => Topic started by: well past my peak on August 22, 2016, 07:00:25 AM
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Seen a few post of late mentioning 1 inch longer handle and 1 inch shorter blades.
Not ever having one, but the suggestion make sense to me,
So same profile, same willow same handle shape,but two bats with differ dimensions , my question how do they compare?
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I find the bats with the shorter blades have a slightly better pick up, especially as I like to use heavier bats. Many people claim that because they're tall they struggle to use them but I'm 6'3" and find using them better than a normal length blade. That being said I did get yorked on Saturday but I suppose it's all down to personal preference!
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Many people claim that because they're tall they struggle to use them but I'm 6'3" and find using them better than a normal length blade.
but if you're adding an inch onto the handle, your stance, where you hold the bat should be the same.
yeah
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Absolutely, nothing will change to be honest, the only thing that does change is the top inch of the blade which will hardly see any use at all, best off putting the wood nearer the middle.
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As it's the forum buy one and have a go - kippax, B&S, bb, H4L or various others offer a shorter blade / longer handle option I believe
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I have a Red Ink like this. 2.10. Picks up great, and really goes. JUST a G3, it took a few knocks to get used to, but then my T20 batting has never been so good.
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Bats with a 1 inch longer handle and 1 shorter blade were introduced by Mongoose to give the Batsman increased Leaverage when playing a shot I had a Black Cat for the shorter format of the game but couldn't get on with the longer handle as it felt in the wAy so I sawed an inch off the top of the handle didn't notice any difference.
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It can make a difference if your bottom hand sits right at the bottom of the handle, almost resting on the shoulders. Other than that it mostly means a bigger profile assuming all other variables are the same, not sure there is much balance difference, it might be other factors that often come combined with a shorter blade that make it pickup better; counter balance handle, duckbill toe, etc.
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Weren't Newbery the first to (sort of) do this with the Excalibur?
It's such a small difference I'm sure people wouldn't notice it unless they were told :)
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can't use a long handle short blade at all-have I ever tried one? no of course not :)
the Excalibur had the shoulders cut off but far as I remember normal sized blade.
The UZI when it came out had a normal sized blade for the C6 model and a short blade longer fish fin handle for the other models of the UZI.
I think.....so Newbery were the first I reckon
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People who claim they can't use them because they are tall, or say things like "the handle sticks out to much" are using them incorrectly!!
You hold the handle in the same place you would a normal bat. It really is that simple, but the amount of people I see pick up an mmi3 and hold it halfway down the handle and say "how do you reach Yorkers" baffles me.
it's a short handled bat! Not a kids size 4 bat, stop over thinking and just hold it in the same place.
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People who claim they can't use them because they are tall, or say things like "the handle sticks out to much" are using them incorrectly!!
You hold the handle in the same place you would a normal bat. It really is that simple, but the amount of people I see pick up an mmi3 and hold it halfway down the handle and say "how do you reach Yorkers" baffles me.
it's a short handled bat! Not a kids size 4 bat, stop over thinking and just hold it in the same place.
Couldn't agree more! They always put their hands at the bottom of the grip and claim that it would be impossible to use. Someone who sold a Warbird on here claimed that he couldn't use it because he was too tall, the Warbird is like 1.5cm shorter, it's barely noticeable!
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People who claim they can't use them because they are tall, or say things like "the handle sticks out to much" are using them incorrectly!!
You hold the handle in the same place you would a normal bat. It really is that simple, but the amount of people I see pick up an mmi3 and hold it halfway down the handle and say "how do you reach Yorkers" baffles me.
it's a short handled bat! Not a kids size 4 bat, stop over thinking and just hold it in the same place.
It took me the couple of games to get used to the gap when holding it in the same place as usual.
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I have started using a shorter blade bat with a standard size handle not long handle and to be honest I found it much better as balance and pick up seemed better and I could play shots all around easier.
But I don't think it's a big difference. Every batsmen bats a different way and need a bat which suits their style of play. Look at pros some have standard size bats, some long blade/short blade or long handle.
We spend so much on bats that's looks and play well but do we really buy the right bat that suits the way we bat.
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As with shax, shorter blade short handle for my b3. Not too sure anyone really uses that extra top inch or so on the longer handle models (although i could be wrong) so is it for balance or to purely keep the overall bat length standard? Being short & having loads of room left on my handle i could probably go short blade with SSH, assuming the bat would pick up/ feel the same.
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Always get my bats with longer handle shorter blade, I am 5,7 and prefer the feel...that being said after getting a rehandle back with a standard handle shorter blade I've opted for this approach, most of the time just chopping the knob off myself
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As with shax, shorter blade short handle for my b3. Not too sure anyone really uses that extra top inch or so on the longer handle models (although i could be wrong) so is it for balance or to purely keep the overall bat length standard? Being short & having loads of room left on my handle i could probably go short blade with SSH, assuming the bat would pick up/ feel the same.
That's where I hold my bats... :-[
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That's where I hold my bats... :-[
Same!
If your a shorter fellow, and you buy a long handle short blade bat and cut the handle smaller, I have to ask, have you looked at the small Men's, academy and ssh bats to start with? These are aimed at smaller people that a standard short handle is a tad too long for.
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Bare with me whilst i remove my foot from my mouth.. Ive always been a SH user and would have never deviated had it not been for this pesky forum! I do like this short blade method, but probably because the bat looks a little chunkier than normal rather than it peforms/suits me more. Then again with my batting capabilities i dont think it will ever matter
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If your a shorter fellow, and you buy a long handle short blade bat and cut the handle smaller, I have to ask, have you looked at the small Men's, academy and ssh bats to start with? These are aimed at smaller people that a standard short handle is a tad too long for.
Because buying a Small Mens, Super Short Handle or academy bat makes your genitals shrink. You need a full size bat because that's what everyone else has, and DIY is manly ;)
I think the bargains are in the smaller bats, kookaburra Small Mens or GM Woman's bats are full width blades just a touch shorter, but are over £100 cheaper than the SH equivalent. It's a no-brainer to me
P.S I'm 6ft1 if we're comparing :D
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Same!
If your a shorter fellow, and you buy a long handle short blade bat and cut the handle smaller, I have to ask, have you looked at the small Men's, academy and ssh bats to start with? These are aimed at smaller people that a standard short handle is a tad too long for.
I am short and have small hands i tried a SSH bat but the handles tend to be thicker and I kept losing my grip I've thought about a womens bat but can't find a 2lb 6 or 7 ounce.
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I am 5'6'' (and 5'7'' on a good day). I used size-6 bats custom bat in configuration designed by Laver and also made by MG2. I can tell you from experience that these are the most comfortable bats I had used up to the that point in my batting career - the bottom of the bat never hit or scraped the ground and drives were smooth. Whenever I see tall batsmen like Cook, Hales, KP et-al using standard SH bats, I always thought that these bats are proportionally much shorter (for these tall guys) then what short guys (like myself) normally use (SH for example). Again, proportionally, a short batsman should be using a size-5, size-6, or even a Harrow bat.
Here is where things become tricky:
- Weight. If you want to use a heavier bat, it's hard to get these bats in heavier weights. When I tried to get a non-Laver custom maker (who shall remain anonymous but boy did they sour my experience ) to make a size-6 bat, they messed it up royally! I had to go back to Laver to get a 3 pounder made in size-6 config (there are other criteria as well).
- Balance. The bats made by Laver and MG-2 use a shorter blade (from a size-3)bat which assists with the balance and bat speed. One can make a case that conventional bat sizes (overall length), bat handle lengths, and bat blade lengths should be subject to further investigation and experimentation to revise the optimum combination (bat length, handle length, and blade size) by batsman's height and batting style. I suspect, Laver & MG-2 did experiment with smaller bats and handles and arrived at a size-6-size-3 combination.[Note: It was Marty first who suggested and made these bats for me. Later Laver team suggested the same config and seemed familiar with the idea]. I wouldn't call it the golden ration (yet :D) but the bats are phenomenal.
So, why did I switch if the bats were so great? Well, I needed something in heavier weights and SH size bats were readily available in my weight category. One bat (standard SH) led to another and rest is history. Interesting thing is that I held my size-6 bats at the top of the handle and use the same position in my SH bats. The additional couple of inches that are left untouched provide the leverage/counter weight to my heavy (2-12 to 2-14) bats.
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I think the bargains are in the smaller bats, kookaburra Small Mens or GM Woman's bats are full width blades just a touch shorter, but are over £100 cheaper than the SH equivalent. It's a no-brainer to me
All true and I regularly look for these bargains. Unfortunately, these bats are made in light weights and heavier options are not available. I would love to get an M&H Amplus in Harrow/Size-6 in 2-12 or 2-13 weight at the standard (Harrow) price point - it would be a steal. It just won't happen since the makers deem these bats for kids and hence the lighter weights.
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I think 1 inch longer is always preferable, although it does depend where you hold it. If you hold it near the knob, the length shouldn't really matter, it should be equally as effective when you swing it about.
Cutting your knob off seems rather a drastic action in order to make your grip more comfortable, but I guess that's a very personal thing.
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As with shax, shorter blade short handle for my b3. Not too sure anyone really uses that extra top inch or so on the longer handle models (although i could be wrong) so is it for balance or to purely keep the overall bat length standard? Being short & having loads of room left on my handle i could probably go short blade with SSH, assuming the bat would pick up/ feel the same.
Definitely depends on the player. I had an inch cut off the bottom of a carbine and just could not play with it. My hands gripped right at the top where the handle finished and I'm only short. So i had to have it rehandled with a longer handle.
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I think 1 inch longer is always preferable, although it does depend where you hold it. If you hold it near the knob, the length shouldn't really matter, it should be equally as effective when you swing it about.
Cutting your knob off seems rather a drastic action in order to make your grip more comfortable, but I guess that's a very personal thing.
Uurrrmmm .....
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I think 1 inch longer is always preferable, although it does depend where you hold it. If you hold it near the knob, the length shouldn't really matter, it should be equally as effective when you swing it about.
Cutting your knob off seems rather a drastic action in order to make your grip more comfortable, but I guess that's a very personal thing.
Completely agree. Though one must also consider thickness.
A thicker shaft may give more desirable results. This could be achieved with the use of double rubbers, should you find its a little thin to begin with.
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I used my warbird for the first time last night and it went really nicely but feel the difference in the longer handle, wasnt massively difference but did feel like there was extra handle below my bottom hand
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Some players find with long handles they have less control of the the shot.
Also long handle bats are becoming more of a niche market.
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Some players find with long handles they have less control of the the shot.
Also long handle bats are becoming more of a niche market.
But the longer handles mean more leverage, who cares about control when you're sending bombs into the next County? ;)
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Had a discussion with a Batmaker earlier this season re long handles he told me that more players inc the 6ft plus guys and pros are opting for S/H this season.
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You have to try it. I liked my focus I got off @Vitas Cricket but I tend to rest my bottom hand on the shoulders. I found it difficult to use batting properly :D.
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I bought a kudos SPS and since I tried to hold it higher to feel same as regular SH, I do find that I dont have much control I always prefer to hold the bat just an inch from the shoulder to feel right, so maybe the shorter blade versions are just not for me. I also tried to hold it lower at just 1 inch from shoulder as I do for a regular SH, but I have been getting yorked that way. Its a shame I cant use it for this reason given that the willow pings beautifully. Will stick to regular SH only in future.