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Title: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 10, 2016, 06:32:58 AM
Since the summer is coming to an end and the season will be off soon, I am wondering if our bat whittlers can figure out as to what's the lightest weight that can be achieved on these specs?

1 - Very high sweet spot with duck bill toe. Spine at about 55 mm
2- Edge size about 40 mm,
3- Toe edge about 30 mm, toe mid about 32 mm
4 - Shoulders edge about 25 mm
5 - Full face width of 108 mm. Reasonable amount of concaving but nothing crazy.
6 - Round Handle
7 - Hard pressed and fully knocked in.
8 - No toe guard and single grip to keep the weight as low as possible.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on September 10, 2016, 07:41:49 AM
Weight depends on cleft selection. If you find something very light then it could be a low starting weight. Probably easier mentioning the weight you are looking for as it may be achieved with a few minor tweaks
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 10, 2016, 03:01:24 PM
Weight depends on cleft selection. If you find something very light then it could be a low starting weight. Probably easier mentioning the weight you are looking for as it may be achieved with a few minor tweaks

To be honest with you, not more than 2 lbs 8oz
What tweaks were you thinking?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on September 10, 2016, 05:21:04 PM
That's going to be a big bat for 2.8 and will probably need a pretty light cleft to get near that, especially eith the shoulder edge and toe dimensions.

What's the reason you want the toe and shoulder dimensions like that?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 11, 2016, 12:51:54 AM
That's going to be a big bat for 2.8 and will probably need a pretty light cleft to get near that, especially eith the shoulder edge and toe dimensions.

What's the reason you want the toe and shoulder dimensions like that?

I need this toe for stability and perhaps sometimes to deal with miss-hits.

And thick shoulders is purely for aesthetic looks. I am not a fan and paper thin shoulders. Perhaps we can reduce the shoulder size a little, if it helps achieving the desired weight?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on September 11, 2016, 06:19:57 AM
I think you are going to need to make a few more sacrifices to get to that weight. A few mms off all dimensions would probably help.

What grade are you looking for and what's your budget?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Vulcan Cricket on September 11, 2016, 08:01:50 AM
Lol and for my trick 😉
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Buzz on September 11, 2016, 08:08:07 AM
To be honest to get a bat made to these specifications you are better off speaking to a Pakistani firm and buy one of their overdried slightly narrow beasts.

The moisture content in UK bats makes this difficult.

I would not expect an over dried cleft made like this to last more than about 500 runs...
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: JB on September 11, 2016, 08:30:16 AM
Sounds like one of those would last me years....... :(
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on September 11, 2016, 08:38:01 AM
I would not expect an over dried cleft made like this to last more than about 500 runs...

Great, that would last me until I retire from playing!  :(
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: InternalTraining on September 11, 2016, 03:43:16 PM
To be honest with you, not more than 2 lbs 8oz
What tweaks were you thinking?

GM Mogul has kind of pressing and dimensions you are looking for. Max edge is 38 mm but I don't think 2 mm makes a big difference in a bat of that spec.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Drupy01 on September 11, 2016, 07:52:46 PM
Need accept little tweaks to make it work.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 12, 2016, 03:40:51 PM
I think you are going to need to make a few more sacrifices to get to that weight. A few mms off all dimensions would probably help.

What grade are you looking for and what's your budget?

Yeah, I am open to some suggestions. Let me know what can be done to make this happen?
I am not worried about willow grade at all. It can be grade 4 with dead knots and criss crossed grains, as long as it achieves the goal, and keeps a lid on the price as its my experimental prototype.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: The Doctor on September 12, 2016, 04:38:29 PM
Since the summer is coming to an end and the season will be off soon, I am wondering if our bat whittlers can figure out as to what's the lightest weight that can be achieved on these specs?

1 - Very high sweet spot with duck bill toe. Spine at about 55 mm
2- Edge size about 40 mm,
3- Toe edge about 30 mm, toe mid about 32 mm
4 - Shoulders edge about 25 mm
5 - Full face width of 108 mm. Reasonable amount of concaving but nothing crazy.
6 - Round Handle
7 - Hard pressed and fully knocked in.
8 - No toe guard and single grip to keep the weight as low as possible.


I think your measurements are a little  iffy;

(http://i67.tinypic.com/15wkkfm.jpg)
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: smilley792 on September 12, 2016, 05:36:00 PM
Yeah that just looks wrong!

Shows the power of b3 though, see your idea before it's made. And avoid a wasted cleft. 
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: JB on September 12, 2016, 07:12:38 PM
Wants 10mm off the shoulder and toe and a few mm on the spine
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: JB on September 12, 2016, 07:14:42 PM
I think your measurements are a little  iffy;

([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/15wkkfm.jpg[/url])


@The Doctor out of interest, what weight would this be from a 400 density cleft?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 13, 2016, 01:48:15 AM
I think your measurements are a little  iffy;

([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/15wkkfm.jpg[/url])



Looks very cool to me. That's what I want.

The only thing I would like to add is deep bow in the profile as in Indian bats. That will be awesome!
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: InternalTraining on September 13, 2016, 03:15:56 AM
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Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 13, 2016, 04:00:41 AM
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Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: The Doctor on September 13, 2016, 09:44:42 AM
Wants 10mm off the shoulder and toe and a few mm on the spine


(http://i65.tinypic.com/8wzhqp.jpg)

400 Density = 2'9 ;-)
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: JB on September 13, 2016, 10:27:52 AM
([url]http://i65.tinypic.com/8wzhqp.jpg[/url])

400 Density = 2'9 ;-)


Now that looks like a nice shape!!
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: liscon12 on September 13, 2016, 10:32:38 AM
([url]http://i65.tinypic.com/8wzhqp.jpg[/url])

400 Density = 2'9 ;-)


Looks very much like a DB1 to me :P
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: The Doctor on September 13, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
Looks very much like a DB1 to me :P


B3 SERIES RANGE DB1 CRICKET BAT
(http://i65.tinypic.com/1916xg.jpg)

Less edge more spine.....
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2016, 10:49:43 AM

Looks very cool to me. That's what I want.

The only thing I would like to add is deep bow in the profile as in Indian bats. That will be awesome!

This is quite close to the Mongoose CoR3 profile, although it's 1" shorter on the blade and perhaps a slightly lower middle

Not the most pretty of profiles

(http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WukAAOSwhOdXpK9a/s-l500.jpg)
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 13, 2016, 01:47:06 PM
This is quite close to the Mongoose CoR3 profile, although it's 1" shorter on the blade and perhaps a slightly lower middle

Not the most pretty of profiles

([url]http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WukAAOSwhOdXpK9a/s-l500.jpg[/url])


That baby isn't bad either.
Loved the bulldog nose type of a toe. But aren't mongoose a little narrow in face width?

What's the weight in this beauty?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Tom on September 13, 2016, 01:50:04 PM
This one was sold a while back, but I do have another alternative (same shape) which I can take photos of this evening for B3/other batmaker so they can copy it for you. From memory these come out about 2lb 9oz, in the inch shorter (full width) blade and were made in India.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 13, 2016, 01:52:00 PM
([url]http://i65.tinypic.com/8wzhqp.jpg[/url])

400 Density = 2'9 ;-)


Sorry man! That tweaked shape doesn't cut it for me. It becomes more like a regular shape bat and loses its uniqueness. I would like to stick with the original shape.
What's the lightest weight we can achieve?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: GoodLeave on September 13, 2016, 01:55:36 PM
([url]http://i65.tinypic.com/8wzhqp.jpg[/url])

400 Density = 2'9 ;-)


Yes please. Where did I leave my wallet?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Churchy1989 on September 13, 2016, 02:25:39 PM
top work @The Doctor !
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 14, 2016, 02:55:45 PM
I think your measurements are a little  iffy;

([url]http://i67.tinypic.com/15wkkfm.jpg[/url])


@The Doctor
@Red Ink Cricket

What's the weight on this shape? Lets get something going with this beast.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: The Doctor on September 14, 2016, 03:03:24 PM
@The Doctor
@Red Ink Cricket

What's the weight on this shape? Lets get something going with this beast.

Who are you talking to? Myself or RedInk?
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Sitonit on September 15, 2016, 05:47:34 AM
Who are you talking to? Myself or RedInk?

whoever wants my money.
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: Churchy1989 on September 16, 2016, 04:36:53 PM
whoever wants my money.

I'll have some  :D
Title: Re: Challange to bat makers
Post by: The Doctor on September 20, 2016, 02:45:51 PM
whoever wants my money.

We can do the above shape but can't get your big indian bow previously requested - we can do a normal pressed bow, which I would describe as moderate.

Please send me an email if interested - david@b3cricket.com

Streaky