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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: JK Lewis on September 27, 2016, 09:16:38 AM
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I got hit on the head the other day, for the first time in my batting career, which was interesting. Excellent delivery, quick, got up from short of a length and came into me. No way to avoid it really, so fair play to the bowler and good job I had the lid. I have a Masuri which did its job well.
Couple things I was wondering. Firstly, having been hit, should I now buy a new helmet? I've not been hit before and I wonder if the structure of the helmet will be maintained or if I should invest in a replacement for next season.
Secondly, I've long wondered why they can't make cricket helmets out of the same stuff as cycling helmets. Coming off a bike at high speed can deliver a massive impact, so I can't see that the material they use wouldn't protect against a cricket ball. As above, I appreciate that after such a hit one would then need a new lid, but I don't intend to get hit often. The lightness of a cycling helmet, on the cricket field, would be great. Any thoughts from the forum on this?
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Your comparing 2 different impacts, if you fall off your bike you will be travelling at speed and transferring your body weight through the shell of the helmet into the impact.
Where as a cricket helmet is designed to protect from a projectile travrlling towards a more or less stationary person. Cricket helmet use EPS inside of them as a liner as it's a light and affordable material with excellent impact absorption properties. The force difference between the 2 is therefore quite different as the cricket ball has a smaller surface area meaning the thin skin on the cycle helmet wouldn't offer the level of protection needed to pass the BSI impact attenuation test....hence the need to use a thicker/heavier outer shell on the cricket helmet design. As a footnote our carbon fibre shell is only 1mm thick so is prob as close to a cycle helmet skin you can get whilst still offering the structural rigidity for protection.
Cycle helmets typically use a think skin over the top of the EPs to stop it getting dented when being used/stored and are also meant to be replaced after an impact the same as cricket helmets.
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Your comparing 2 different impacts, if you fall off your bike you will be travelling at speed and transferring your body weight through the shell of the helmet into the impact.
Where as a cricket helmet is designed to protect from a projectile travrlling towards a more or less stationary person. Cricket helmet use EPS inside of them as a liner as it's a light and affordable material with excellent impact absorption properties. The force difference between the 2 is therefore quite different as the cricket ball has a smaller surface area meaning the thin skin on the cycle helmet wouldn't offer the level of protection needed to pass the BSI impact attenuation test....hence the need to use a thicker/heavier outer shell on the cricket helmet design. As a footnote our carbon fibre shell is only 1mm thick so is prob as close to a cycle helmet skin you can get whilst still offering the structural rigidity for protection.
Cycle helmets typically use a think skin over the top of the EPs to stop it getting dented when being used/stored and are also meant to be replaced after an impact the same as cricket helmets.
Thanks, that's really interesting detail. You obviously put a lot of effort into researching this subject. Cheers, Justin
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When I got hit the first thing I did was replace my helmet and carried on my innings, I though the helmet was fine used it again the following week and got hit again, at which point the inner part of the lid (a gm purist) was cracked as was the outer under the cloth, I can't say when the damage was done but I'd recommend changing helmet just in case as the shell could be weakened meaning a layer strike could really damage the helmet/you! I know use a masuri rather than a mainstream bat/kit manufacturers helmet
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A note on cycling helmets - unfortunately they're mostly totally inadequate, the testing standard for them is pretty low and hasn't been updated since 1998 (much like cricket helmets until recently). The impact test that cycling helmets uses is a free fall drop from 2 metres onto a flat surface and from 1.2 metres onto an angled piece meant to represent a curb, both with a fake head weight in the helmet. Roughly equivalent to you falling off your bike at a standstill! If the impact deceleration of the head is less than 300g, it passes. To put this into perspective, the force required to give you a good solid concussion is somewhere around 90-100g! So if the standard doesn't require helmets to prevent concussion when you fall off onto your head while not going anywhere, imagine how useless it is when you get hit by a car at 30mph - hence why the standard for scooter/motorcycle helmets is far higher. Obviously a good cycling helmet isn't designed to just pass the test so you can improve things by shelling out for a good one, but it's still a pretty poor state of affairs.
TLDR - cycling helmets are a load of bobbins and you'd be in a world of pain if a quick bowler hit you in the head while wearing one.
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Can't go wrong with a Ayrtek Carbon Fibre with titanium grill. Extremely lightweight.
Had a couple of hits wearing it but it still seems fine, I think one more season then might send it in for a check over/refurb.
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My thoughts after getting hit have been the following:
"F**k me that hurt! I wish I'd been wearing a helmet..."
"That would have hurt, thank god I was wearing my helmet"
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My thoughts after getting hit have been the following:
"F**k me that hurt! I wish I'd been wearing a helmet..."
"That would have hurt, thank god I was wearing my helmet"
In fairness. You're supposed to use the bat, not your noggin.
Just Sayin :D
With regards to your question Justin, is it a new model Masuri? I'd be tempted to replace it if it was an older model, both for protection and the narrower peak/grill measurement. If it's a new shell... I'd be upset at forking out again and would probably stick with it.
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Interesting topic. My son recently got hit on the side of his helmet by a bowling machine ball. He was momentarily unconscious, has a lump on his head and concussion; I must admit I was quite surprise the helmet didn't protect him more. I haven't seen the helmet but it is apparently undamaged. Is this normal or would you expect the helmet to protect you from lumps and concussion. It was obvious quite a fast ball, should the helmet be replaced even though it looks fine?
Cheers
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All helmets should be replaced after an impact as per user instructions....helmet manufacturers literally have to write this on them as part of the BsI standard.
Helmets are designed to reduce the severity of an injury, only so much can be done in a lab to try and replicate an impact but there are so many variables in a game/net situation it's impossible to cater for them all....e.g ball deformation from use in the game and if changing shape, location of the impact on the shell/grille etc.
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In fairness. You're supposed to use the bat, not your noggin.
Just Sayin :D
I did, top edge right into the kisser! :-[
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I did, top edge right into the kisser! :-[
I'll let you off then. Just try over extra cover next time, instead of over longstop! :D
Definitely get that replaced Percy. Very surprised it caused a concussion, must have been travelling at a fair lick.
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Definitely get that replaced Percy. Very surprised it caused a concussion, must have been travelling at a fair lick.
That's what i thought, seems a shame though as I am told it looks fine. Is there a market for used Masuri Titanium grills - not sure how you get it off though.
Apparently the coach was getting the Bola to bowl random different length balls and this one was short and hit him on the side of the helmet just forward and above the ear. Before he told me the full details I told him he was an idiot and should have hit the ball - nothing like a bit of sympathy!
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Visually a helmet can look fine but due to cloth covering on the majority of helmets they could be covering a hairline fracture etc which would compromise the performance of the helmet if called upon again Or a weld could be weakened if hit on the grille etc.
This is why manufacturers specify to replace a helmet after an impact.
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That's what i thought, seems a shame though as I am told it looks fine. Is there a market for used Masuri Titanium grills - not sure how you get it off though.
Apparently the coach was getting the Bola to bowl random different length balls and this one was short and hit him on the side of the helmet just forward and above the ear. Before he told me the full details I told him he was an idiot and should have hit the ball - nothing like a bit of sympathy!
I see. Sounds like a hit on the temple? Doesn't take much to knock someone out if hit in that area.
As suggested, probably time for a new one. Is your lad growing? If so he might be in need of a bigger size anyway. Although I'm just clutching at straws to try and justify the expense... Might be worth a neck protector of some sort too if you find he has a tendency to turn his back on the ball. Easy to tell someone not to, difficult to do in practice!
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I see. Sounds like a hit on the temple? Doesn't take much to knock someone out if hit in that area.
As suggested, probably time for a new one. Is your lad growing? If so he might be in need of a bigger size anyway. Although I'm just clutching at straws to try and justify the expense... Might be worth a neck protector of some sort too if you find he has a tendency to turn his back on the ball. Easy to tell someone not to, difficult to do in practice!
Thanks for the feedback. I don't think he was turning his back on the ball, it's not like him. It actually hit him about an inch and half above the temple and slightly forward.
He is growing but is already in full size kit and was only saying how he had just got the helmet perfectly adjusted so it as very comfortable. Oh well hopefully there will be some end of season sales.
Cheers
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Only a few have started the sales for far. Might be worth a wait.
If you wanted to buy now, and it had to be titanium, It's Just Cricket have a Navy Masuri VS (Double Bar) on for £129.99 but only in Large. Vitas have the Titanium Test (Single Bar) on for £150. Both good value as is, but might come down a little.
I'd wait until Black Friday comes back around.
I got my Shrey Masterclass Air Steel for about £50 last year from PDC. Daft prices.
Edit: IJC also have the VS in Green, Small and Large. Same price.
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In fairness. You're supposed to use the bat, not your noggin.
Just Sayin :D
With regards to your question Justin, is it a new model Masuri? I'd be tempted to replace it if it was an older model, both for protection and the narrower peak/grill measurement. If it's a new shell... I'd be upset at forking out again and would probably stick with it.
Yes, new this season, not the top of the line one but 100 quid or so. Decent lid. Ironically, this is the first helmet I've ever owned, I'm old enough to have grown up before they became standard in club cricket. Just as well I bought it I guess, I find myself facing quick bowlers now who are often half my age. Lesson learned, better safe than sorry!
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First I hope you are ok OP and Percy's son.
Just a heads up (no pun intended)... Ayrtek have some great deals on older style helmets with Ti grills if you are in the hunt for a bargain .
Personally I felt safe wearing my Ayrtek. It was very comfy and liked the quality neck clasp but never felt as safe as I might have been with another helmet. It is my opinion with the peak extending beyond the grille it could deflect a ball back inwards like what happened to Broad. It was reported to be something like component failure, which I can understand as it was trying to do something it wasn't designed for. I can imagine others might disagree with me but it is my take on a safety issue. I'm reluctant to sell mine on.
The design has changed now so the peak is in line with the grille. Maybe it's coincidence but it does look safer to me.
I've bought a few Albions and played around with the grille so that the gap is small enough while still giving a good view out. The peak is sturdier than most and is very light which seems to suit me best.
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The Broad incident was down to pure speed of the delivery + the top edge meaning it was travelling at 80+ mph from a distance of 0.5m away to the point of impact. This is above and beyond what the new safety standard is set at due to the fact at that speed would need a motorcycle helmet to stop it!
I moved the grille forward on the latest models as the bottom bar was sitting too close to the headform in the lab and needed moving further forward so it wouldn't come into contact with it....which would be deemed a failure otherwise.
During the grille re-design I also overhauled the plastics being used for the shell as part of the process whilst we were submitting them for testing/certification.
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Good to see Tom. The topic is 'thoughts after getting hit'. I've been hit while wearing a helmet. I top edged once, it smacked into the grille and flew onwards and upwards. I remember thinking 'that made a lot of noise' and got on with it. Only after my innings did I notice the peak was severally cracked so I chucked it of course. That's probably why I'm more fussy than most about peaks.
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Yeh thankfully I've only been hit in the grille rather than a full on blow to the shell since I've started wearing one.
It does make one hell of a sound though!
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First I hope you are ok OP and Percy's son.
Thanks, he's fine!
Apparently, after close examination, the outer shell of the Masuri is cracked so he's delighted that a new helmet is definitely required (I was going to change it anyway after the discussion here). He says he wants a Shrey this time around because its lighter, but personally I think its because the likes of Joe Root wears one! Anyway, just goes to show how important a good helmet is.
I know its been discussed many times but are there any good reasons not to get a Shrey over a Masuri? Sorry @Ayrtek he won't wear one of yours as he says the sledging would be unbearable!
Cheers
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Haha that's fine they aren't everyone's cup of tea 👍
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I know its been discussed many times but are there any good reasons not to get a Shrey over a Masuri? Sorry @Ayrtek he won't wear one of yours as he says the sledging would be unbearable!
Everyone seems to be wearing them at the minute, looks like ABDV switched over from Albion too. I'm guessing it's a money thing as Vitas won't stock Shrey on the principle that they feel the quality isn't up to that of the Masuri. Apparently the fixings between the shell and the grill are suspect. Saying that, I'm more than happy with mine. If you're set on a Shrey Ti, you'll also get a neck-guard thrown in too.
Unfortunately I can't give an opinion on its safety, as its yet to feel the embrace of leather. Nice and light, good vision and for me atleast, good build quality.
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I know its been discussed many times but are there any good reasons not to get a Shrey over a Masuri? Sorry @Ayrtek he won't wear one of yours as he says the sledging would be unbearable!
When I had my Ayrteks I got absolutely no sledging, more people who were genuinely interested in seeing one in the flesh.
I had a premier which I loved, but sold it on to fund a Raw. This was a great lid but never quite fit me right (despite the inflatable liner) :(
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What about getti g hit on the grille? Should this be changed after an impact too?
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What about getti g hit on the grille? Should this be changed after an impact too?
Probably should as the mounting points may be damaged if it was a direct/hard hit.
I was always slightly sceptical about changing your helmet after its been hit but after recent events I don't think you can be too careful, especially after a major impact. I'm sure the experts on here can advise further though.
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Thanks, he's fine!
Apparently, after close examination, the outer shell of the Masuri is cracked so he's delighted that a new helmet is definitely required (I was going to change it anyway after the discussion here). He says he wants a Shrey this time around because its lighter, but personally I think its because the likes of Joe Root wears one! Anyway, just goes to show how important a good helmet is.
I know its been discussed many times but are there any good reasons not to get a Shrey over a Masuri? Sorry @Ayrtek he won't wear one of yours as he says the sledging would be unbearable!
Cheers
Firstly good to hear he is OK, the Masuri helmet (data correct last time I saw it) has the best rating when it comes to concussion testing so he was in safe hands with their hemet.
Some detail regarding Shrey can be found below.
Please do be aware of the pitfalls with Shrey. We are not stocking them due to build quality issues. The plastic grille mounts connecting the grille to the shell are made of the same stuff as your average smoke alarm. I've seen plenty of shrey helmets recently that are cracked in this area straight out the box. Some to the point of impacting on the mounting of the grille and therefore the integrity of the entire helmet
This was the second one I had:
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I had two of these. On the first one the plastic where the grill mounts to the helmet had cracked clean through from top to bottom without even being struck. I couldn't get a replacement from the original stockist so ordered one from another supplier and this one was much worse. Numerous cracks in the plastic mounts on both sides and even looked as though the plastic had been spot melted to repair some of the cracks. Returned it and went back to Masuri.
Such a shame as I really liked the fit and feel of the helmet but the build quality was poor on the two I had.
If it is a weight issue then Masuri are about to release a new single shell model, which is on a par with Shrey and others (GM, GN etc) in terms of being less protective than their twin shell Vision Series models, but it will be lighter just like a Shrey. It has the advantage of actually being well built, and entirely UK made, and will be a very comparable price to the Shrey helmets.
With all of the above in mind, I can't see a Shrey made overseas at a fraction of the cost warranting the same price for lesser quality.
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Thanks @Vitas Cricket , do you know when the new Masuri will be released?
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Thanks @Vitas Cricket , do you know when the new Masuri will be released?
No exact dating yet but i believe pre-christmas
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No exact dating yet but i believe pre-christmas
Looks like it might be a Christmas present then!
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I was just browsing and had something to add. I got hit flush between the Grill and the peak of my Arytek Ti when facing a fairly quick bowler (75mph+)- the helmet was already cracked (was currently putting off getting another) and the peak shattered, subesquently cutting my chin. However I didn't feel a thing, hit him for a huge six two balls later and was incredibly impressed with the protection offered by my already broken Arytek.
After the game I ordered a new Arytek, which arrived the Friday before my next game- and since that point, I've felt so much more comfortable against the short ball, having 100% confidence in my helmet has helped me get right in line without worrying about getting sconed, which was certainly not what I expected!
Thanks Arytek!!
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^ Ayrtek is a fantastic product! I used to worry about visibility but once I put it on and played my first game (didn't even try it in the nets first), it was better than I had expected. Kudos to Ayrtek!
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I was just browsing and had something to add. I got hit flush between the Grill and the peak of my Arytek Ti when facing a fairly quick bowler (75mph+)- the helmet was already cracked (was currently putting off getting another) and the peak shattered, subesquently cutting my chin. However I didn't feel a thing, hit him for a huge six two balls later and was incredibly impressed with the protection offered by my already broken Arytek.
After the game I ordered a new Arytek, which arrived the Friday before my next game- and since that point, I've felt so much more comfortable against the short ball, having 100% confidence in my helmet has helped me get right in line without worrying about getting sconed, which was certainly not what I expected!
That's one of the best recommendations for a product I've seen.!
With something like a helmet, protection and comfort are paramount.
Fair play to Ayrtek for excelling at both
Thanks Arytek!!
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I was just browsing and had something to add. I got hit flush between the Grill and the peak of my Arytek Ti when facing a fairly quick bowler (75mph+)- the helmet was already cracked (was currently putting off getting another) and the peak shattered, subesquently cutting my chin. However I didn't feel a thing, hit him for a huge six two balls later and was incredibly impressed with the protection offered by my already broken Arytek.
After the game I ordered a new Arytek, which arrived the Friday before my next game- and since that point, I've felt so much more comfortable against the short ball, having 100% confidence in my helmet has helped me get right in line without worrying about getting sconed, which was certainly not what I expected!
Thanks Arytek!!
Glad it did its job, I have changed the plastics being in the new models to a more robust material in the Ayrtek Cricket version.
Also the same with the new PremAYR model that has a plastic shell and the air liner in it again 👍
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Always nice to read positive stories, as a one man band it's tough at times to try and cover all aspects of what people want in a product....I've got a traditional design that I'd love to launch but have lots of other models to progress 1st.
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^ Ayrtek is a fantastic product! I used to worry about visibility but once I put it on and played my first game (didn't even try it in the nets first), it was better than I had expected. Kudos to Ayrtek!
Funny you mention this .... i have two ayrtek helmets . I have only worn then each a handfull of times ( bought towards end of last season , wanted to save them for the start of this season). During the off season id try on one of these lids and two and fro about the vision due to the unique peak shape , sometimes thinking 'im not sure its as good as my masuri /will i ever get totally used to it' etc . Anyway , with season starting in two weeks time , today i had my first 'dressed rehearsal' ( using actual match kit i will use this season). I forgot about the ayrtek after the first ball . An hour later i noticed how much i like the vision. At the end of the 2hrs batting i thought 'wow , love these things so much , i cant ever use anything else'.
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In the past two seasons I've been hit on the head whilst wearing the Masuri VS Elite Titanium, despite them both being fairly quick deliveries I didn't feel a thing and completely trust my Masuri helmet :)
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The only time I've been hit recently I actually ramped the ball into my own face!
Note to self - you're not Jos Butler, you struggle enough with conventional shots... :-[
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I keep in my ayrtek carbon helmet. It is so light i barely notice it and its cooler than my shrey helmet. Ive been hit on the head while standing up a fair few times (including once by the batsmans bat). Barely even notice it. Top quality, i wish i had the air liner one now. Always wanted reebok pumps, air liner helmets seems the closest i could get.
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I keep in my ayrtek carbon helmet. It is so light i barely notice it and its cooler than my shrey helmet. Ive been hit on the head while standing up a fair few times (including once by the batsmans bat). Barely even notice it. Top quality, i wish i had the air liner one now. Always wanted reebok pumps, air liner helmets seems the closest i could get.
Limited numbers of the air liner RawAYR version are back in stock ATM but selling fast....PremAYR version will be in stock in Oz shortly via Whack Sports at the end of the month too. Then I'll e stocking up here too as I'm awaiting a new batch of liners currently having been cleared out due to demand and fast-tracking the launch to get them out to Oz.