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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: rickjames on October 07, 2016, 09:23:45 AM
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YJB will save us, right?
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Lord give me strength
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England hitting the self destruct button here
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Vince andd Roy got themselves out.
You could say Bairstow was unlucky, but he did run himself out at the end of the day.
Stokes' new New Balance looking good though
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Wouldnt call Bairstow unlucky, daft run at that stage when the pressure was on, plenty of time to bat so why force it. He's been given a chance up at number 4 and I'm a big fan of him, shame to see him waste first chance like that but hope he comes back strong next game
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Bangladeshi Morne Morkel looks a potentially tasty bowler! Glad to see Duckett going well, been impressed so far with how he's moved his innings on after a slow start in a tricky situation.
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Are you called Ben? Are you left handed? Then play for England!
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REALY want Duckett to do well here, just something about thnk I think he's got huge potential both in one day and potentially tests.
Stokes is motoring along, probably thinking the red ball is the ECB so want's to give it a thump after the Durham stitch up
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Duckett not used to running with people looking for a quick second
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Really don't see the obsession with Vince, he's an ordinary player. Duckett should've opening as he's an opener. Get Billings into the middle order the boy is class.
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Really don't see the obsession with Vince, he's an ordinary player. Duckett should've opening as he's an opener. Get Billings into the middle order the boy is class.
Agree on all three counts, but can see why they've done it - Vince is just keeping the spot warm for Hales, Duckett is a much stronger long term prospect but he'd at 3 or in the middle order when Hales is back (if selected) so can see the logic of playing him there now. Morgan will be sweating over every run Duckett makes this tour! Billings is a superstar in waiting, can't see how we get him in the team though at the moment. Just imagine all the variety of shots on show if Duckett/Buttler/Billings get in the same side!
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Agree on all three counts, but can see why they've done it - Vince is just keeping the spot warm for Hales, Duckett is a much stronger long term prospect but he'd at 3 or in the middle order when Hales is back (if selected) so can see the logic of playing him there now. Morgan will be sweating over every run Duckett makes this tour! Billings is a superstar in waiting, can't see how we get him in the team though at the moment. Just imagine all the variety of shots on show if Duckett/Buttler/Billings get in the same side!
two sides of the same coin thou for selectors don't you think? Billings has been spotted early, in and around the team just waiting for a chance......he's clearly got talent and England want him in. James Vince......England see something in him, tried in the tests and now in the one-dayers, they are persevering with him and maybe he will pay them back....
So....you back the players rather than chuck them out like we used to in the bad old days. I reckon Billiings, once he get's a chance will be stuck with.
We are doing that with Vince now.........i'm not convinced he will still be in the team in a year's time but you never know until they are really tried out. I think Vince's problems are mainly in the head...he's def got all the shots.
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Bowling attack is a little one dimensional without the extra pace of Mark Wood. Missing Plunkett quite badly as well.
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For my money Al Hasan is the premier all rounder in world cricket. Does it in all formats.
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Bangladesh cruising this
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2 in 2 for Ball even though i think hes bowling a tad short
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Yes boys! What great thinking by Rashid and what a take from buttler!
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South Africa called Bangladesh, they want their choke back...
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looks a close one hope there are highlights on tv later
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From 270-4 to 280-9, seriously impressive collapse.
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top effort.
the way we play one day cricket now (compared to the last 30 years!) makes you proud to support England
don't care if we win or lose but we give it a right go these days
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JAKE BALL!
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Excellent win. Still baffled as to how we got that, what a choke.
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that's an impressive win.
:)
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Great win!
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Have to admit I didn't really rate Ball from what I've seen previously, but him and Rashid really stepped it up in the last 10 overs of that game, superb.
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Have to admit I didn't really rate Ball from what I've seen previously, but him and Rashid really stepped it up in the last 10 overs of that game, superb.
I watched him bowl at Lords in the test and thought he looked very good and didn't get much luck.
quicker than he looks it was def coming thru and Lords was pretty flat.
I think I read on line this week the Bangladesh players think Rashid is 'no problem' and easy to play.
sweet !!!
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Pleased for Rashid after some of the Bangladeshi boys were saying in the press how they think he's essentially pony
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Pleased for Rashid after some of the Bangladeshi boys were saying in the press how they think he's essentially pony
It's same as Pakistan on the summer. Who claimed hey had root figured out.
It what you say these days to try and get a competitive edge.
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Rash has huge potential, but needs to use his google a bit more IMHO
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This is some excellent stuff from Woakes and Willey.
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Woakesy! Great start.
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This is great stuff from us so far :)
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The summer of Woakes is still going strong!
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nobody else seems bothered apart from you @rickjames :D
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What are people doing with their Sundays?!?!
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Pretty sure they'll chase it ok but flag they got enough to make a game of it.
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That Mortaza knock was great fun.
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Vince gets in and Sam Billings can't even get a game...
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How to throw away any hopes of clinging on to an international career - by James Vince
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Must be the end of the line for Vince now. Not quite good enough.
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James Vince should have just waved goodbye to his international career... how many times can one bloke be out driving outside off!!!
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Ruh roh...
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The masters of our own downfall
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FML
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We're in the mire in this one.
James Vince is a good player.might benefit from a year just in county cricket to improve his game and come back possibly.
And billings could slot into the team. Haven't seen much of billings but seems highly rated and has been in one day squads for ages without playing much
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Hmmm, this could be a good experience for some of these young England chaps - this is a bit different to whacking it around on a flat, rock hard deck for 400-odd. This is tricky cricket on a tricky track, that requires some graft. Hope they recognise this and bat the conditions.
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What kind of Faustian pact has Buttler made to get his batting ability, the bloke is unbelievable. There's got to be a case for leaving him out for a home series so he can play red ball cricket and we can get him in the test team.
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What kind of Faustian pact has Buttler made to get his batting ability, the bloke is unbelievable. There's got to be a case for leaving him out for a home series so he can play red ball cricket and we can get him in the test team.
I wouldn't want to bowl to him. But I definitely wouldn't want to play him at tennis either! Did you see that forearm smash? If I did that, the ball wouldn't travel 22 yards, he does it and it smashes into the boundary hoardings...
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What kind of Faustian pact has Buttler made to get his batting ability, the bloke is unbelievable. There's got to be a case for leaving him out for a home series so he can play red ball cricket and we can get him in the test team.
I read some comments on here sometimes about Jos and I just wonder if I'm watching a different bloke bat.
It's staggering how much talent he has.
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Some very smart batting from these two, getting us out a right 'mare
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Some very smart batting from these two, getting us out a right 'mare
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Good catch, sir.
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BALLS. Didn't think I'd ever see Buttler say 'bunch of c-ts' on TV though ha, won't have heard the last of that I expect.
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Come on Jakey boy, use every inch of that bat :-)
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Come on Jakey boy, use every inch of that bat :-)
God damn kiss of death
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I love this new one day team. We don't give up
Great effort from the lower order and jake ball great effort
How good do the new gmbats look as well? :)
1-1 we can win the deceider !! Come on !!
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BALLS. Didn't think I'd ever see Buttler say 'bunch of c-ts' on TV though ha, won't have heard the last of that I expect.
Whoa there! Butler doesn't seem the kind. What happened ? Was it his wicket or he run someone out?
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Bit of afters really,looking forward to the decider . We will be up for it for sure.
stokes doesn't look like someone you would take on unless you are built like northern monkey or Pete Hosk.
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You could distract them both by showing them some willow mind
Bit of afters really,looking forward to the decider . We will be up for it for sure.
stokes doesn't look like someone you would take on unless you are built like northern monkey or Pete Hosk.
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Whoa there! Butler doesn't seem the kind. What happened ? Was it his wicket or he run someone out?
No, the bloke who writes "f**k it" on the handle of all his bats doesn't seem the sweary type at all, does he!
He just hides it well I think ;)
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No, the bloke who writes "f**k it" on the handle of all his bats doesn't seem the sweary type at all, does he!
He just hides it well I think ;)
Does he?! You know the rules - pictures or...
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^ :D
Let's see some pics.
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No, the bloke who writes "f**k it" on the handle of all his bats doesn't seem the sweary type at all, does he!
He just hides it well I think ;)
ESpnCricinfo reports that something was said to him when he was judged out after review.
"After Bangladesh celebrated uproariously and Buttler took a drink of water before departing, something that was said riled him. He swung back in fury and was ushered away by the umpires. There were more words at end-of-match handshakes, England's fury unabated. The match referee could well take an interest."
http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1060969.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1060969.html)
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If you give the departing batsman a mouthful you should have no complaints when the batsman gives it back
But yes the match referee is going to get involved...
Butler could be replaced by Stokes as captain and then it really will kick off. :)
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I like Jos Butler, let him captain the ODI series (and T-20i) - man's got mad skills.
Benji is the fearless captain material though. He should be groomed to captain all three format. Let Root, Cook, and others to focus on breaking records.
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Does he?! You know the rules - pictures or...
No pictures sadly, you'll have to take Michael Vaughan 's word for it
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/12036178/Jos-Buttler-It-was-a-relief-to-get-dropped-I-got-to-a-stage-where-I-was-not-concentrating-and-didnt-want-to-be-there.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/12036178/Jos-Buttler-It-was-a-relief-to-get-dropped-I-got-to-a-stage-where-I-was-not-concentrating-and-didnt-want-to-be-there.html)
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Right where's the sharpie. Think of a saying and start marking it on bat handles.
I've just written 'imagine a nude Eva Green is bowling pies so smash it and smash her later'
Can't wait for the 2017 season....
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I was gonna write 'hit it'
But I'd probably mess up the word spacing
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No pictures sadly, you'll have to take Michael Vaughan 's word for it
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/12036178/Jos-Buttler-It-was-a-relief-to-get-dropped-I-got-to-a-stage-where-I-was-not-concentrating-and-didnt-want-to-be-there.html[/url] ([url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/england/12036178/Jos-Buttler-It-was-a-relief-to-get-dropped-I-got-to-a-stage-where-I-was-not-concentrating-and-didnt-want-to-be-there.html[/url])
Ah, completely trustworthy source then... Will definitely take a look at his bat as closely as possible in the next game though!
In totally unrelated news, a Somerset-based contact of mine tells me he may have a few genuine Buttler bats for me, I'll put a for sale thread up in a few days if I have any spares ;)
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That does sound interesting!! :)
Stampede !!
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Buttler is a cricket genious and glad he gave some back to Bangladesh.
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On a lighter note, Nasser Hussain was having far too good a time constantly repeating how good Nasir Hosain was today.
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I saw the clip of the handshakes, it was Bairstow and Benji!!!! I love it. :D :D :D
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Its a brave man to go up against benji thats for sure!
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Its a brave man to go up against benji thats for sure!
Course he's hard, he was brought up in the North! Out here in West Cumbria if you don't grow up hard the cold kills you off before you reach manhood :D
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TBH Stokes should mind his own and concentrate on his own game. Yes Bangladesh went OTT with their celebrations, Buttler seeming to suggest it stemmed from a previous encounter. Cricket is supposedly a gentlemans game, don't need to heading down the football route of thugish behaviour.
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TBH Stokes should mind his own and concentrate on his own game. Yes Bangladesh went OTT with their celebrations, Buttler seeming to suggest it stemmed from a previous encounter. Cricket is supposedly a gentlemans game, don't need to heading down the football route of thugish behaviour.
disagree, Stokes is vice captain and should back up his players and captain
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TBH Stokes should mind his own and concentrate on his own game. Yes Bangladesh went OTT with their celebrations, Buttler seeming to suggest it stemmed from a previous encounter. Cricket is supposedly a gentlemans game, don't need to heading down the football route of thugish behaviour.
TBH Felix 'the cat' the thuggish behaviour is down to Bangladesh, may OTT celebrations when Butler was out, plenty of verbals exchanged in the middle then a bangla player shoulder barged one of our blokes when we are trying to shake hands at the end.
still concentrating on our own game?
:)
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disagree, Stokes is vice captain and should back up his players and captain
Nonsense. Then you'll end up with the kind of behaviour Ponting's Australia where often shown displaying.
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TBH Felix 'the cat' the thuggish behaviour is down to Bangladesh, may OTT celebrations when Butler was out, plenty of verbals exchanged in the middle then a bangla player shoulder barged one of our blokes when we are trying to shake hands at the end.
still concentrating on our own game?
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So two wrongs make a right? The game is called cricket not UFC...
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Felix you will never win the argument here.. England are gentlemen and very sporting and everyone else are thugs and cheats
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So two wrongs make a right? The game is called cricket not UFC...
send offs when a player is out are right out of order. kicking it off when shaking hands is also out of order. Yes England are not choir boys but you cannot expect Stokes and Butler to stand by like some public schoolboys when provoked
No one is saying England are whiter than white but provoking players like that is going to get a response. As captain and vice captain I expect them to stand up for themselves and the players.
Is it un-edifying? yes you are correct.
I watched Ponting all thru his career and didn't like the way he treated umpires. Had an England captain behaved the way he did towards the officials I would expect them to have the book thrown at them-and rightly so.
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The game is called cricket not UFC...
This was stokes point, dont be a dick and stick the shoulder in.
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TBH Stokes should mind his own and concentrate on his own game. Yes Bangladesh went OTT with their celebrations, Buttler seeming to suggest it stemmed from a previous encounter. Cricket is supposedly a gentlemans game, don't need to heading down the football route of thugish behaviour.
So if somebody put their shoulder into one of your teammates after a game you'd just shake their hand and pretend you didn't see it, would you? I know I certainly wouldn't (I had a run in with a Saffa last season, now you mention it...)
All this airy fairy "gentleman's game" and "don't let it get like football" nonsense is starting to do my nut in. It's not the 1800's any more, times and the the game have moved on.
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In many ways it was good to see Stokes and Butler talking about what the opposition had done that upset them. Too often we are PC in English cricket and players just watch their words when talking to the press. Lets have a bit of drama and a little bit of passion, it was probably more interesting than the cricket was at times.
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Wow, haven't seen an England tour thread go like this since Gerry SA/aus in England was about..........
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In many ways it was good to see Stokes and Butler talking about what the opposition had done that upset them. Too often we are PC in English cricket and players just watch their words when talking to the press. Lets have a bit of drama and a little bit of passion, it was probably more interesting than the cricket was at times.
the irony after the incident of Sky going straight to Nasser was not lost us older fans who remember Hussain played with passion on the field and a firebrand temper :)
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So if somebody put their shoulder into one of your teammates after a game you'd just shake their hand and pretend you didn't see it, would you? I know I certainly wouldn't (I had a run in with a Saffa last season, now you mention it...)
All this airy fairy "gentleman's game" and "don't let it get like football" nonsense is starting to do my nut in. It's not the 1800's any more, times and the the game have moved on.
If it was kicking off obviously I'm not going watch it lead to fisticuffs. But Stokes doesn't have the right to put his hands on the Bangladeshi player(Tamim IIRC). You speak with your mouth not your hands...
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So you can shoulder barge someone, but if youre english and politely move a banglesesh player away from a heated situation (which it was, hes not gine over all guns blazing pushing people around) using your hands its out of order, i see.
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Wow, haven't seen an England tour thread go like this since Gerry SA/aus in England was about..........
I miss them.....
Look can't we settle this the old fashioned way with pistols at dawn?
On a serious note though, I like that our cricketers play with some fire in their bellies, at least it shows they are proud to represent their country and care about giving 100% out on the pitch. Better than our national football team moping around not giving a sh*t.
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I thought Stokes dealt the situation at handshakes pretty calmly to be honest! If someone stuck the shoulder in at handshakes in most other sports the result certainly wouldn't have been as gentle.
As for the celebrations, whatever Buttler said to the media it clearly wasn't just the celebrations (ridiculous though they were) that caused his reaction - watch the video, he's walking away and obviously reacts to something that was said. Umpires were right there so surprised the match referee hasn't got involved by now. Good to see that Mashrafe appeared to go over to Buttler and apologise after the game though.
Edit: oh whoops, match ref has got involved now - Reman and Mortaza fined 20% of match fee and Buttler officially reprimanded.
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I thought Stokes dealt the situation at handshakes pretty calmly to be honest! If someone stuck the shoulder in at handshakes in most other sports the result certainly wouldn't have been as gentle.
As for the celebrations, whatever Buttler said to the media it clearly wasn't just the celebrations (ridiculous though they were) that caused his reaction - watch the video, he's walking away and obviously reacts to something that was said. Umpires were right there so surprised the match referee hasn't got involved by now. Good to see that Mashrafe appeared to go over to Buttler and apologise after the game though.
Edit: oh whoops, match ref has got involved now - Reman and Mortaza fined 20% of match fee and Buttler officially reprimanded.
exactly.....something was said to Butler but he's in a no win situation because if the media press him he will be grassing what went on the field, and pro's don't usually do that.....
the match referee has now done his bit. I expect Wednesdays game to be 'competitive' :)
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Sam Billings to open the batting in the final ODI as Roy isn't fit. Hope he goes well
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Me thinks there's a troll under the bridge .....
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Sam Billings to open the batting in the final ODI as Roy isn't fit. Hope he goes well
yeah hope so. he's waited a long time for a go.
England really rate this guy. We have got real competition for batting places. Not as impressed as I thought I would be with Vince so far but really hope he gets runs today. He's a bit lucky to retain his spot in the team I think
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we're off lads where is rick the mad Surrey supporter? :)
anyone else think Liam Plunkett is in the team for the post match handshakes in case there is any afters?
just kidding lads......
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How impressive has Jake Ball been during his early foray into international cricket, definitely one for the future that lad!
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No Roy is gutting, but good to see Billings in. Not sure he's the right option to open though, would have chosen Moeen myself.
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No Roy is gutting, but good to see Billings in. Not sure he's the right option to open though, would have chosen Moeen myself.
Imagine if he fires though, 50 overs of Billings will be carnage!
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Anyone else noticed that England are playing four wicketkeepers in their side today? Turning into Sri Lanka!!
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Billings surely won't open?
Glad to see Plunkett back in, well as Ball has bowled we've missed Plunkett's battering ram bowling.
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No Roy is gutting, but good to see Billings in. Not sure he's the right option to open though, would have chosen Moeen myself.
Duckett often opens white ball for Northants too.
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Buttler to open!
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Will be mighty impressed if we can chase this.
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James Vince ton...
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If Mustafizur was playing this would be Bangladesh's match already. But he's not so target Taskin and Shafiul. That will more pressure on Bangladesh's star bowlers Al Hasan and Mortaza
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Will be mighty impressed if we can chase this.
off and running.. sure is going to be tough against their spinners.
I just want to see us HAVE A GO!! with the bat only :)
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Farewell Wince. Back to county cricket you go.
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Billings is going well thou and it's a great start chasing this....
im not going to put the mockers on us by saying anything else
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I want to swear loads, but I love our ODI side
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If Mustafizur was playing this would be Bangladesh's match already. But he's not so target Taskin and Shafiul. That will more pressure on Bangladesh's star bowlers Al Hasan and Mortaza
Cheers for that Mystic Meg... You know Fridays lottery numbers to??? :D
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simon hughes on BBC text.....Billings the most talented player he has seen(practising) in the England side since Butler.
pretty high praise that.
Loving the fact Duckett has had a good start to his matches.
this new side we have does not lack confidence
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Cheers for that Mystic Meg... You know Fridays lottery numbers to??? :D
That luxury yacht I'm looking at is proper dear...I'll keep the winning numbers to myself :D
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simon hughes on BBC text.....Billings the most talented player he has seen(practising) in the England side since Butler.
pretty high praise that.
Loving the fact Duckett has had a good start to his matches.
this new side we have does not lack confidence
Billings is good, however I wouldnt take any notice of the (No Swearing Please) that comes out of Simon Hughes mouth, theres a reason he works for channel 5
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Billings is good, however I wouldnt take any notice of the (No Swearing Please) that comes out of Simon Hughes mouth, theres a reason he works for channel 5
Nick knight, mark Nicholas, simon hughes. take your pick there ! :)
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Nick knight, mark Nicholas, simon hughes. take your pick there ! :)
Bob Willis...
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Would be a decent series win, if England can pull it off here
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Would be a decent series win, if England can pull it off here
nope.....it will be remarkable. Bangladesh havnt lost at home for absolutely ages.
all conditions are against England.
we(well us England supporters) really do have a team finally to be proud of. I've watched England for close to 40 years and love the way we play now....
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agreed, cant argue with that
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Boy will there be selection issues with everyone fit and actually making themselves available
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Boy will there be selection issues with everyone fit and actually making themselves available
Morgan's spot in danger?
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Boy will there be selection issues with everyone fit and actually making themselves available
just thinking exactly that....... :)
whatever happens in this game it's a fabulous performance by us in these conditions.
James Vince......not sure about him. If you were a selector and have to get morgan and hales back he is vulnerable.
personally I think he has the tools to do well....he needs part of his game improviding. He has got the shots for sure.has he done enough?
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Will be sweet poetic justice if these two got the runs...
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Vince, Bairstow, Ali get the chop for me.
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we need one of stokes or Jos to still be in at the end.
yep if morgan and hales are shoe ins(both are really). Vince.....and not sure we need two spinners even in the sub continent
but....as has been proved in the test matches, Moeen Ali gets us runs down the order and he's got some crucial ones for England
tricky !!
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Hales Roy Root Morgan all walk back into the odi set up surely (and im morgans biggest critic!)?
I think if roots back was anything other than glass and you could get 5? Good overs out if him the Ali situation might be somewhat different
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Moeen offers nothing. Mid 20s with the bat and mid 40s with the ball. Passenger
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he's out for 1.
this still needs winning
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The Ginger Ninja seeing us home
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C O M E O N LADS.......... :)
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I love the Bangladeshi crowd! Absolutely nuts while their side are in the game and as soon as they realise they've lost you can hear a pin drop.
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IT'S IN THE STANDS !!!
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Great chase, no Morgan, no Hales, no Roy and NO ROOT.........some real strength in depth. Entering the realms of the Aussies in the 90's/00's.
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Just watching our chase as recorded it earlier, what's going on with JB bat, powerbow stickers but not the back ones and no edge stamps, any chance he is leaving GN or just maybe had a bat made in Asia, looks like the classic profile he uses in red ball cricket. Think he has used a different bat each game as he had a supernova last game
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JB is using the new velocity bat according to the gray nicolls instagram
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I might go overseas to Bangladesh, I saw Stokes dripping, might be able to loose a stone each game !
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No come to the Eversley nets its more tropical than the amazon!!
But as far as the cricket goes i think that win is our best overseas series win
Yes im a nuts england fan but that was top draw!
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I love the current England side!
Are we the finished article? No.
But with billings and duckett ready to go in the Wing, the power of Roy hales butler and stokes, and the mighty root! It looks good on the batting front!
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The ceiling at which this ODI/T20 side can get to is something else and it's a credit to where Bayliss, Farbrace and Morgan have taken us.
Will be interesting to see what happens when the next ODI series against India occurs, the competition for places was already ridiculous but this goes to show the depth (particularly in the batting department) that we have.
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Can't understand how Woakes gets in this team
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he had a cracking summer of cricket where he scored runs and took wickets for fun in both test and Odi's, cant ask for much more than that surely..
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Can't understand how Woakes gets in this team
Here we go again.
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Can't understand how Woakes gets in this team
Would take woakes every time!
Worst player was Ali, 11runs and 1wicket
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Time will tell if woakes has just had a one off golden summer for england
But him and YJB have got to be the most improved players in the last couple of years.
You have to hand it to the selectors sometimes-they get it very right most of the time.
Woakes in before Ali for me too if i had to choose
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So if everyone is fit and available, what would be ODI choice??
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Would Morgan still make the team, youve got to hand it to him, since the last World Cup he along with coaching staff have completely changed the England mindset and mentality and they are know so much more enjoyable to watch, so for that reason you'd want him captaining the side, but looking purely at numbers, he's got to be a prime canidate to make way given the amount of players proving themselves at the moment?
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Cheeky Test Side:
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow+
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Batty
Rashid
Broad
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So if everyone is fit and available, what would be ODI choice??
Hales
Roy
Duckett
Root
Stokes
Buttler+
Morgan* (assuming he has to play)
Woakes
Plunkett
Rashid
Wood
In the squad you would then have:
Bairstow, Ali, Willey, Billings, Ball, Dawson etc.
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Controversially:
Roy
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler
Billings
Rashid
Woakes
Wood
Plunkett/Willey/Ball
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Would take woakes every time!
Worst player was Ali, 11runs and 1wicket
Worse than Woakes 66 runs for 0 wickets ?
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Worse than Woakes 66 runs for 0 wickets ?
Scored six times as many runs and hit the ones to win the series ;)
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Scored six times as many runs and hit the ones to win the series ;)
And he has been our best bowler a few times recently. But obviously bowlers don't bowl well on all surfaces!
I just think we are very lucky to have Stokes and Woakes, as they are both genuine all-rounders!
Ali would bowl ok on certain surfaces although he looks out of form with the bat at the mo!
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Controversially:
Roy
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler
Billings
Rashid
Woakes
Wood
Plunkett/Willey/Ball
I like your team Manic.....but much as we love YJB your really leaving out Morgan for him.....Duckett and Billings need to be in, now we(England) are on the right patch we got to keep going.
With Morgan....yes professional sport is ruthless sometimes but our style has changed completely from the last world cup, and thank god it did, he is massively influencial in this and can change a game on his day...
not easy to pick a side at the moment with new guys doing well.... :)
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Controversially:
Roy
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Butler
Billings
Rashid
Woakes
Wood
Plunkett/Willey/Ball
You're gonna leave out a lad that's averaged nearly 70 in ODI cricket this year, bit harsh.
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Reckon they'll let us use that old 'Super Substitute' rule? That means we can pick 12!
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Reckon they'll let us use that old 'Super Substitute' rule? That means we can pick 12!
anyone saying 2 years ago we would have too many good players to pick 11 in a one-day game would of been carted off in a white coat. :)
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I like your team Manic.....but much as we love YJB your really leaving out Morgan for him.....Duckett and Billings need to be in, now we(England) are on the right patch we got to keep going.
With Morgan....yes professional sport is ruthless sometimes but our style has changed completely from the last world cup, and thank god it did, he is massively influencial in this and can change a game on his day...
not easy to pick a side at the moment with new guys doing well.... :)
Yes, I would, and I shall tell you for why (touching on the Hales situation and Ali as well in the process). The side I've listed above has the dynamic range that England have been looking for, with a wide range of batting styles and guys capable of scoring heavily down to 9 - ten if Plunkett or Willey take the last bowling slot.
With Stokes as the fifth front line bowler and Buttler keeping, that leaves five batting slots - Root is in, so Ali, in most conditions, can be spared. You then need two openers, a four bat and a seven. Roy has done nothing wrong and is our most explosive early option. I think Hales is good, but has been found out a little now that he is being asked to be the one who builds an innings and as a result has become rather hit and miss, so I would go with Duckett who adds the right/left dynamic and a wider angle of strokes.
So two from Morgan, Bairstow and Billings. Bairstow is, for me, the best number four of the lot - he can build an innings or destroy an attack and, crucially, he has done so with consistency over the past two to three years, which allows for the occasional risk taker around him. He is also our best fielder. Morgan has played the odd great knock but right now, putting him at four would be a selection based on the Mike Brearley principle.
Down to Morgan vs Billings at seven. This one was tough - but in my view Billings has more options and room to develop (and is our second best fielder) so I went that way, knowing that Ali would pinch this spot in spinning conditions.
You may not agree, but its hardly an unreasonable analysis!
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What is interesting is the strength of my second XI (save that I've played my first four keepers in the ones...). If we give Plunkett the last spot in the first side:
Hales
Bell-Drummond
Westley
Malan
Morgan
Davies
Ali
Borthwick
Jordan
Willey
Ball
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Yes, I would, and I shall tell you for why (touching on the Hales situation and Ali as well in the process). The side I've listed above has the dynamic range that England have been looking for, with a wide range of batting styles and guys capable of scoring heavily down to 9 - ten if Plunkett or Willey take the last bowling slot.
With Stokes as the fifth front line bowler and Buttler keeping, that leaves five batting slots - Root is in, so Ali, in most conditions, can be spared. You then need two openers, a four bat and a seven. Roy has done nothing wrong and is our most explosive early option. I think Hales is good, but has been found out a little now that he is being asked to be the one who builds an innings and as a result has become rather hit and miss, so I would go with Duckett who adds the right/left dynamic and a wider angle of strokes.
So two from Morgan, Bairstow and Billings. Bairstow is, for me, the best number four of the lot - he can build an innings or destroy an attack and, crucially, he has done so with consistency over the past two to three years, which allows for the occasional risk taker around him. He is also our best fielder. Morgan has played the odd great knock but right now, putting him at four would be a selection based on the Mike Brearley principle.
Down to Morgan vs Billings at seven. This one was tough - but in my view Billings has more options and room to develop (and is our second best fielder) so I went that way, knowing that Ali would pinch this spot in spinning conditions.
You may not agree, but its hardly an unreasonable analysis!
it's perfectly reasonable and difficult to argue with.......
:)
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Bairstow doesn't merit selection in that ODI. All of the current middle order players are better than him and more dynamic. Bairstow needs to show he's actually able to play on slower lower pitches. He's pretty hopeless against spin.
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Bairstow doesn't merit selection in that ODI. All of the current middle order players are better than him and more dynamic. Bairstow needs to show he's actually able to play on slower lower pitches. He's pretty hopeless against spin.
I disagree his performances prior to this tour meant he was the next cab off the rank to replace Morgan, I don't see that has changed after 3 matches.
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I'd rather have Duckett or Billings ahead of Bairstow, not sure why he's been getting in ahead of Billings anyway in all honesty. Can't really compare their ODI stats as none have played that many games (not that Bairstow's record in ODIs is all that good), but both Billings' and Duckett's List A stats are in a different league to Bairstow - he doesn't make it in as a specialist batsman.