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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: petehosk on October 13, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
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With the start of the Test series just round the corner, who will make the starting XI?
Am looking forward to seeing how this Hameed kid bats - looks very promising and Cook is in desperate need of a long-term opening partner!
And Root will hopefully come back in for the Tests.
But will Balance play and are they willing to let Duckett have a go in the top 5?
I guess Stokes, Bairstow and Woakes are next, but will they opt for Ali or Rashid......or both?
Broad must be a sure thing. And is Jimmy still out?
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For me:
Cook
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Stokes
Buttler wk (sb in the squad)
Woakes
Ball
Rashid
Broad
Assuming Anderson is out
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Believe Anderson is out for this tour and a doubt for India too. Wood is confirmed out for both series
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Absolute certainties (albeit it not in the specific batting slot) in caps:
COOK
Hameed
ROOT
Duckett
BAIRSTOW
STOKES
ALI
RASHID
Ansari
WOAKES
BROAD
No Ballance? You all know my view that they have picked the worst of the three left handed Yorkshire lads in contention. If he were to play, it'd be at the top of the order with Hameed missing out.
Ansari? Yes, I've given him stick but a) he bats and fields well enough to balance the side and b) his accuracy, albeit minus massive turn, offsets Rashid being a second innings specialist and c) we might as well see how he goes now as wait till a time it really matters.
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COOK
Duckett
ROOT
BAIRSTOW
ALI
STOKES
Buttler
Ansari
WOAKES
BROAD
TBC...!
Just to add, I have nothing against Hameed, I think he looks a class act. I just really want Duckett to get first go!
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Cook (cpt)
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler (wk)
Ali
Woakes
Broad
Batty
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Farbrace today giving the possibillty butler is playing well enough to play as a batsman
Which is what ive thought for ages...
Hints have been dropped before thou
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Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow (wk)
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Ball
Finn
I reckon that's what they'll go for and if not as I'm. It sure they'll have 2 debuts then balance for duckett but I hope they have the cahonies to go with the above, but light on bowling but I'm not sure we have much choice over that
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Farbrace today giving the possibillty butler is playing well enough to play as a batsman
Which is what ive thought for ages...
Hints have been dropped before thou
It's interesting that both farbrace and Bayliss have said this in recent months. I'm sure they've got a better view than us but from what I've seen on tv id say buttler looks the better keeper of the two and going on this year bairstow could easily play as a specialist batsman.
Maybe in the long run they see value in playing buttler just as a batsman in order to let him maximise his potential there so who knows. I guess in the long term if he's going to be the odi captain in waiting it could make sense to play him just as a batsman and have Billings keep as batting captaining and wicketkeepering could be a big strain
Going in circles a bit but food for thought
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Bayliss mentioned Buttler playing as a specialist test bat in the summer but got politely stamped down by the selectors, I wonder what the selection process is on tour? Selection committee have picked a tour squad, can Bayliss now say 'well, you picked Buttler in the squad, now I get to choose what to do with him and he's batting 5.'?
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Its difficult, isn't it - YJB is ranked about 12 in the world as a Test batsman. Naturally, we want to maximise his potential with the bat, and whilst he is improving fast, he is still only functional as a wicketkeeper. Common sense says you at least consider playing Buttler to bat seven and keep.
But...Bairstow is adamant that he wants the gloves, and has scored runs whilst keeping, and Buttler, whilst an upgrade, is really only a very small one.
One assumes YJB will bat five or six with Stokes filling the other spot. That leaves a vacancy at seven. If you think Buttler fills that slot more naturally than does Ballance or Ansari, I don't see why he can't be selected.
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In my eyes we have plenty of options to fill 5-11. And obviously Cook is at 1. So with Hameed likely to be given the number 2 slot, that only leaves 3 and 4.
Obviously Root is in 3, so 4 is up for grabs - I would like to see Duckett given a decent run.
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Its difficult, isn't it - YJB is ranked about 12 in the world as a Test batsman. Naturally, we want to maximise his potential with the bat, and whilst he is improving fast, he is still only functional as a wicketkeeper. Common sense says you at least consider playing Buttler to bat seven and keep.
But...Bairstow is adamant that he wants the gloves, and has scored runs whilst keeping, and Buttler, whilst an upgrade, is really only a very small one.
One assumes YJB will bat five or six with Stokes filling the other spot. That leaves a vacancy at seven. If you think Buttler fills that slot more naturally than does Ballance or Ansari, I don't see why he can't be selected.
exactly...and If I had a tenner I would put it on Butler getting that spot. YJB no one in their right mind would argue he is not one of the top 5 batsmen in the Country-he's an automatic pick.
I reckon England will get Butler in this test and it's another chance for Jos to grab a place. Balance could make way.
of the 2 keepers there might not be much in it but Jos is the better keeper
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It's difficult, but after the way Duckett performed in the ODIs I think he could edge out Ballance so I'd go with the below. Happily swap between the keepers but I think Buttler is the better keeper and Bairstow the better outfielder. My only concern is maybe being a bowler light, so the only change would have to see Buttler left out for an extra bowler.
Cook *
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Stokes
Buttler +
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
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I think most of the wickets in Bangladesh/India I would like to see.....
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
That is 3 seamers and Ali/Rashid sharing the spin duties with Root in for a few overs too!
Keeper? take your pick ;)
On more pace friendly wickets you could swap Rashid or Ali out for Ball?
The only dilemma for me is what to do on spin friendly wickets of both Jimmy and Broad are available!!!
Anyway, with Jimmy out for Bangladesh and India, thankfully we shouldn't need to think too much!
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It's difficult, but after the way Duckett performed in the ODIs I think he could edge out Ballance so I'd go with the below. Happily swap between the keepers but I think Buttler is the better keeper and Bairstow the better outfielder. My only concern is maybe being a bowler light, so the only change would have to see Buttler left out for an extra bowler.
Cook *
Hameed
Root
Bairstow
Duckett
Stokes
Buttler +
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
if youre(and England) are concerned about being a bowler light surely Batty comes in first before ali or Rashid. One bowler over is fine for someone to have a bad test, if you cant afford that then you go to go with guys you can rely on.
I did wonder why we picked Batty for this tour but more you think about it makes sense. I think he will play. Experience and he knows what he is doing. He's a good bowler.....
Cook has got to have a bowler he can go to when it's hot and tough conditions...
interesting selections coming up.
im going with your team and.......Batty in for..........Rashid I think.......
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For me this series is all about getting some batting practice in to the extent we know our batting line up for the 1st 3 tests in India and I hope they use this series to also enable the bowlers to get into a decent rhythm.
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Ball
Batty
I know the wickets in Bangladesh aren't as spin friendly as India but we need to find a spinner that can hold down an end whilst still being a threat (like Swann). Batty is probably in the form of his life and is a born winner...
I have left Broad out because I just don't think we need to look at him so give ball a go. Currently Anderson, Broad,.Finn and Wood are struggling with injuries and one thing we can't do in India is carry passengers.
If these 3 test matches are too early for Hameed then open with Duckett in India and bring Jos in. Ballance and YJB haven't played spin that well in the last 2 years so with Duckett being a good player of the slower bowler in the way he takes singles and YJB in good test nick, for me Ballance would miss out.
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if youre(and England) are concerned about being a bowler light surely Batty comes in first before ali or Rashid. One bowler over is fine for someone to have a bad test, if you cant afford that then you go to go with guys you can rely on.
I did wonder why we picked Batty for this tour but more you think about it makes sense. I think he will play. Experience and he knows what he is doing. He's a good bowler.....
Cook has got to have a bowler he can go to when it's hot and tough conditions...
interesting selections coming up.
im going with your team and.......Batty in for..........Rashid I think.......
I stuck with Rashid purely because he gives the option of turning the ball the other way. I just can't see them dropping Ali and 3 debutantes seemed too many with Ansari.
I totally see your logic though, someone with a bit of experience to hold the end up. Might come into his own in India, especially if Ali struggles to keep the run rate down.
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I'm going to be controversial here - don't think Bairstow is good enough to play test matches as a specialist batsman. Happy with him as a keeper/batsman at 7 or 6 if necessary if you view his keeping as a work in progress, but don't think he's good enough to bat top 5 for England.
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I'm going to be controversial here - don't think Bairstow is good enough to play test matches as a specialist batsman. Happy with him as a keeper/batsman at 7 or 6 if necessary if you view his keeping as a work in progress, but don't think he's good enough to bat top 5 for England.
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Seriously
He has been our best batsman this year after rooooooot
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:o
Seriously
He has been our best batsman this year after rooooooot
Worrying, isn't it? ;) I'm very willing to be proved wrong, but I wouldn't have him higher than 6. Expect Moeen to bat 5, which if Rashid does well could be the end of Ali as a test player.
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I'm going to be controversial here - don't think Bairstow is good enough to play test matches as a specialist batsman. Happy with him as a keeper/batsman at 7 or 6 if necessary if you view his keeping as a work in progress, but don't think he's good enough to bat top 5 for England.
Bairstow averaged 75 this summer alone.
He averaged 72 away in South Africa.
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Bairstow averaged 75 this summer alone.
He averaged 72 away in South Africa.
Playing as keeper, happy with that. Playing mostly as a batsman in the UAE, he averaged 22.
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I'm going to be controversial here - don't think Bairstow is good enough to play test matches as a specialist batsman. Happy with him as a keeper/batsman at 7 or 6 if necessary if you view his keeping as a work in progress, but don't think he's good enough to bat top 5 for England.
:) wow. Edge.....a boring Friday night just got more interesting. I do love a team selection thread but what have you been vaping? its not the cheesecake I've got.
Bairstow and keeping is a bit of a fudge...butler is the better keeper but lost form and so bairstow stepped in
Slightly surprising I can see where your coming from(I think!) no England fans I know expected him to be so phenomenal with the bat....but he has. He's got to be one of our best batters if you forget about keeping altogether.
Do you mean not good enough against spin for this tour to warrant a spot as a batter or not good enough full stop?
Middle order we have had Vince,ballance,potentially Duckett, and we have had Compton.
Bairstow has got to be ahead of em has he not? :)
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What can I say, seems like procricket1982 has got fed up of the random abuse from certain members again so someone's got to keep the debate going ;)
Bit of both, definitely not on the subcontinent and I would like to think not good enough elsewhere either. Potentially don't think he has the versatility to bat middle order, best suited at 7 where he's almost always going to be coming in and attacking. Note - I'm not saying Bairstow's crap, he's a very good no7, just that we need better at 4/5. Vince and Compton are done, jury is out on Ballance but he has scored a solid amount of top order runs in tests and clearly have the temperament so I'd ideally like to see him come good. Don't see any reason Duckett and Bairstow can't both play, particularly as that would leave Bairstow at 6/7 where he's best suited. Different format, but hard to deny that Duckett looked the far more assured player out of the two in the ODIs. Could be very trying times for the selectors over the next couple of years, don't think we have any idea what our best team is or what balance it should have at the moment!
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Well....I think you're right the odd and test team are getting closer together. Which is pretty amazing really as for years we had one day players and test players.
I reckon :). Bayliss and farbrace want one day guys in tests too. I think they wanted that in the summer and got over ruled. They wanted Jos butler as a batter only in the tests. Now they are saying on this tour he might play in the tests again.
Duckett is another one...I think he's a great pick and has got massive talent potentially in both formats.
It's personal choice whether to tour bangladesh and Morgan and hales opened up spaces in the one dayers so there was always going to be the chance someone did well. Duckett and billings looked the real deal(so far).
Controversially....hahahaha...... James Vince....he's got it, he has not shown it and he gets the the same way every time it's comical...but he's got it. He will still be a tsst player.
Right im posting this and going to hide in the shower.
Where is Aussie in England by the way? Haha :)
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Gonna enjoy Batty playing and delivering some lovely send offs
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Worrying, isn't it? ;) I'm very willing to be proved wrong, but I wouldn't have him higher than 6. Expect Moeen to bat 5, which if Rashid does well could be the end of Ali as a test player.
Really? Moeen has contributed more with the bat to England's cause than all but Cook, Root, Bairstow and arguably Stokes. Especially since he's moved up from eight.
I love Duckett, I've really enjoyed watching him play in the flesh. BUT he plays through the offside with a closed face, which doesn't really work unless you're Biff...
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So my guess at the test side I think they'll pick.
Cook(c)
Ducket
Root
Ballance
Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow(w)
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
First test I reckon that's the side, duckett to open as hameed will just be there for experience, and they won't want to ruin him at such a young age.
Ballance in because he was in during the summer and they won't want to make to many changes.
Buttler to replace Vince as I have a feeling that's what they wanted in the summer but the selectors wouldn't add him to squad.
He's in now so they will pick him.
Rashid and Ali as spinners because they technically have the spot from the last tour of the subcontinent.
Game two could be much different, ballance will be dropped if no runs in test one, with a mix in the order to fill his gap(hameed open and ducket down if duckett fails, other permutations if not)
Batty in if Rashid and Ali goes for runs
Ansari in for ballance if duckett opening is successful. .
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I'm going to be controversial here - don't think Bairstow is good enough to play test matches as a specialist batsman. Happy with him as a keeper/batsman at 7 or 6 if necessary if you view his keeping as a work in progress, but don't think he's good enough to bat top 5 for England.
Sorry what?
As a batsman, YJB is ranked 12 in the world. Whilst keeping.
That's higher than a lot of English players have ever managed, some to class bats amongst them.
Name me five better players available for England?
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Bairstow's test average at:
number 5 - 24.7
number 6 - 46.7
number 7 - 48.2
One fifty in the top 5, three tons and nine fifties batting 6 or below
Odis:
top 5 - 22.2
6 to 11 - 36.1
Fully aware I'm going against the grain with this, and yes he's played more tests batting 6/7 than he has in the top 5, but there's definitely something there.
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Bairstow's a fine player of straight up and down bowling. Much like Bell, Bairstow hasn't a clue against proper spin bowling...bit of a concern when Bangladesh have 4 spinners and a few weeks down the line India has a chap regarded as the #1 Test bowler...
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Bairstow's test average at:
number 5 - 24.7
number 6 - 46.7
number 7 - 48.2
One fifty in the top 5, three tons and nine fifties batting 6 or below
Odis:
top 5 - 22.2
6 to 11 - 36.1
Fully aware I'm going against the grain with this, and yes he's played more tests batting 6/7 than he has in the top 5, but there's definitely something there.
And since his recall, how many times has he batted in each position, Benedict?
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And since his recall, how many times has he batted in each position, Benedict?
six times in the top 5 and thirteen times at 6 or below Nasser, his average in that period being 29 in the top 5 and 66.5 at 6 or lower.
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six times in the top 5 and thirteen times at 6 or below Nasser, his average in that period being 29 in the top 5 and 66.5 at 6 or lower.
And of those six in the top five, how many were on sporty decks against two Mitchells and a Hazlewood in his first couple of returns, or slogging in run chases? Oh look, all six...
In an ideal world, five is his best spot if he plays as a pure batsman, six if he bats and keeps. For this series, it'll be the latter, with Stokes moving up to five, because England will want six bowling options.
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In the 45 over warm up game this morning duckett and hammered opened.
Ducket retired on 59(from 63 balls) once retired hameed 16 and root 2 followed quickly.
Ballance and Ali in and on the teens with 5 overs left.
I presume this game has just been a chance for the fringe players to show there worth and root to get rythym after his rest.
No buttler, which could be telling, and all 4 spinners within the 12.
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Duckett will play.
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I agree with @edge in a way, I do think JB is good enough to bat at 5 BUT I don't understand the obsession with moving people from the positions in which they clearly perform best. Bairstow has scored runs by the bucket full batting at 7 so why move him? Stokes has scored heavily at 6 so why do some people try and fit him in at 5 or 7 or 8? Although this England team are a lot more progressive than ones who have come before I think they still like to position things the way we have in the past and that means All Rounder at 6 and Keeper at 7.
Watch them bat YJB at 5 and keep now just to prove me wrong haha
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Bairstow's a fine player of straight up and down bowling. Much like Bell, Bairstow hasn't a clue against proper spin bowling...bit of a concern when Bangladesh have 4 spinners and a few weeks down the line India has a chap regarded as the #1 Test bowler...
Im sure bairstow would be gutted to have a career like bell's. Get so frustrated with how un popular he is
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Duckett sounds like he's in good touch - so surely he has done enough in these conditions to secure a place?
I believe England have another 2 day warm-up match tomorrow and Monday? I wonder if they will rest the likes of Duckett and anyone else they feel is likely to play the first Test?
It looks as though the seamers are going for a few runs and the spinners are the better option? Surely we need to be looking at playing as many spinners as we can cram in? Stokes and Woakes are obvious choices but will we be brave enough to stick to this?
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I think they will play six bowlers, three and three - Stokes' recent injury problems mean that he would be too much of a risk as one of two seamers. I reckon Broad, Woakes, Stokes, Batty or Ansari, Rashid and Ali will end up the six.
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I think they will play six bowlers, three and three - Stokes' recent injury problems mean that he would be too much of a risk as one of two seamers. I reckon Broad, Woakes, Stokes, Batty or Ansari, Rashid and Ali will end up the six.
I think you're right - the big decision will be whether Ansari or Batty? Ansari is the stronger batsman but Batty has the experience!
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Plus the other decision is whether they will open with Hammed and play Duckett elsewhere (and not play Balance) or whether to open with Duckett and play Balance!
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1: Cook (c)
2: Hameed
3: Root
4: Duckett
5: Moeen
6: Stokes
7: Bairstow+
8: Ansari
9: Woakes
10: Rashid
11: Broad
Anyone think this is how they'll line up for the first test? Or Batty in for Ansari with everyone else moving up a spot?
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I think it looks likely - can't think that they will be able to fit Buttler in as they need the spinners playing in these conditions!!
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I think it looks likely - can't think that they will be able to fit Buttler in as they need the spinners playing in these conditions!!
Unless Duckett opens with Cook and Hameed misses out, with Buttler or Bairstow (whoever doesn't take the gloves) batting at 4/5?
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I would like to see Ball given some overs to see if he looks a better bet than Broad?
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I think it looks likely - can't think that they will be able to fit Buttler in as they need the spinners playing in these conditions!!
Batty im convinced is going to play..in that team ahead of ansari.I thought it a bit odd when the squad was announced but now it looks like a great selection. Ali and rashid do not give control, rashid not so effective in tests but hes a wicket taker....
I think England need an experienced bowler.
And how do we get Butler in the side? My team has 12 at the moment!! :o
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Batty didn't do himself any harm taking those 2 wickets in the last over of the day.
I suspect Batty will be in - but I am sure that the choice will change after match tomorrow & Monday!
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What price Batty, Ansari and Ali as the 3 spinners for the tests?
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1: Cook (c)
2: Hameed
3: Root
4: Duckett
5: Moeen
6: Stokes
7: Bairstow+
8: Ansari
9: Woakes
10: Rashid
11: Broad
Anyone think this is how they'll line up for the first test? Or Batty in for Ansari with everyone else moving up a spot?
Batty in for Ansari and I think you're spot on there, although I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to get Ball in.
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What price Batty, Ansari and Ali as the 3 spinners for the tests?
Rashid bowled 7 overs for 10 runs today. And has better figures than ansari and Ali. And although no wickets a better economy tha batty.
On today's evidence why do you think Rashid will be the one benched?
Anyway, it's gonna be a tough selection either way, I reckon there's 12 they deffo want, but who and how they line up will be made about 5 mins before the toss.
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Not sure why anyone would promote Ali above YJB and Sturkes
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On Batty vs Ansari, whilst I previously opted for the later on the basis of it being a chance to find out what the lad had about him and on that of variety rather than having two right arm offices, I am starring to go the other way. This will be a callow side, with only root, broad and the ginger ninjas to add a bit of dog to it. Batty is more weekly and combative, rather than adding another quieter personality to the team.
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Keeping the previous ODI's and performances today in mind, I am thinking....
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Ball
I am thinking that Ball looks to be on great form whereas Broad needs to get going still. And play the guy on form!
Obviously Bairstow and Ali may swap but I prefer Ali lower down the order!
Part of me wants to "rest" Ali and put Ansari in, as Ansari looks to be a far better bowling option and his batting is on a par?
If you are going to test these guys in spinning conditions, then test them against Banglandesh to see how they do......as India should be a tougher test!!
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Big hint on the batting order today
Likely to be
Cook
Duckett
Rooooot
Ballance
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
As the top six.
Also batty opening the bowling (and being the best spinner) says he will play to.
Likely we will have at least 3 spinners. So a shoot our between Rashid and Ansari then.
Broad plays as does woakes.
Which means you have
Cook
Duckett
Rooooot
Ballance
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
Woakes
Ansari, Rashid/Finn or ball all gunning for one spot
Batty
Broad
I wouldn't play ballance personally but he is nailed on to play.
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Stokes would be #5 for me. Get him in earlier when the ball would probably still be harder.
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Big hint on the batting order today
Likely to be
Cook
Duckett
Rooooot
Ballance
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
As the top six.
Best way to win a test - have seven batsmen in your top six! :)
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And today Ansari outbowling the others on paper at least.
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I hope that Ansari gets to play this week!
I don't think they will consider dropping Ali, so would honestly prefer them to play Ansari over Batty. The main reason being that Batty is not a long term prospect and therefore you need to test the younger players you are looking to bed in to the team in all conditions.
I am hoping that the selectors brought Batty along to offer advice and give Ansari and the other spinners someone to emulate and take advice from!
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I hope that Ansari gets to play this week!
I don't think they will consider dropping Ali, so would honestly prefer them to play Ansari over Batty. The main reason being that Batty is not a long term prospect and therefore you need to test the younger players you are looking to bed in to the team in all conditions.
I am hoping that the selectors brought Batty along to offer advice and give Ansari and the other spinners someone to emulate and take advice from!
if you're looking for a series to test a younger spinner then you'd like to think they'd go for the Bangladesh series over the India one, although nowadays Bangladesh are no push overs at home.
I can definitely see the logic in playing Batty though, yes it might be a short term fix but you're not doing long tours of Bangladesh and India every winter so for me it makes sense. If you're playing three spinners there's even more reason to get him in. I'd be surprised if England don't play Ali, more so because he's one of the better players of spin who should then bowl if it's really turning because let's be honest he can't hold up an end.
If you play Batty you're more sure of a safe pair of hands to control an end in comparison to Ansari or Rashid and then it's a toss up as to who do you think will get you more wickets out of those two.
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Duckett with more runs. 60 from 100 balls at tea.
Hameed doing okay at the other end on 26.
Duckett scoring quickly and well, i know there just warm ups, but he's opening and scoring at a rate I was expecting hales to when he came into test cricket.
I will say this, duckett and hameed have already finished hales test career. His decisions not to travel is seeing him drop like a stone down the opening pecking order.
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By all accounts Hales was dropped from the test team before he made that decision anyway.
Post-Cook, could Duckett and Hameed become the next stand out English opening partnership?
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Joe Root is that good his scoring is defying physics!!! Unless he hit three 4's then ran a 12 I suppose.
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Duckett, retired injured? Please tell me that's heat related and nothing more serious!
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Duckett, retired injured? Please tell me that's heat related and nothing more serious!
I wouldn't read too much into it, as you can see from the rest of the scoresheet, the BBC don't put too much effort into keeping track of the warm up games.
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Duckett, retired injured? Please tell me that's heat related and nothing more serious!
Might be retired "injured" so it goes down as a not out, rather than retired out which would reduce his average ;)
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Ducket merely retired.
Root and bairstow gone. Jos the boss in. Time to stake a claim!
Watching the highlights on sky news earlier, Bangladesh looking to rough up hammed, lots of short stuff. Took a few to gloves and shoulder but just getting on with it. I like the fight in him!
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Might be retired "injured" so it goes down as a not out, rather than retired out which would reduce his average ;)
Won't effect average, as England are playing all there squad it's not classed as a real game.
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im struggling to get joe root in the final 11
think I need another coffee :)
seriously hammed has got it...I hope we do pick him and duckett has got huge potential...I think test cricket thou he is a bit lower down maybe to start with. when Cook retires there will be a slot available
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Keeping the previous ODI's and performances today in mind, I am thinking....
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Ball
I am thinking that Ball looks to be on great form whereas Broad needs to get going still. And play the guy on form!
Obviously Bairstow and Ali may swap but I prefer Ali lower down the order!
Part of me wants to "rest" Ali and put Ansari in, as Ansari looks to be a far better bowling option and his batting is on a par?
If you are going to test these guys in spinning conditions, then test them against Banglandesh to see how they do......as India should be a tougher test!!
I would now hope that Ansari will get the spot with Batty out. And I dare say that Broad will be favoured over Ball, although Ball looks in very good nick!!!
And I am praying that Ballance is NOT given the spot over Hameed or Duckett!!!!!
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I would now hope that Ansari will get the spot with Batty out. And I dare say that Broad will be favoured over Ball, although Ball looks in very good nick!!!
And I am praying that Ballance is NOT given the spot over Hameed or Duckett!!!!!
Gary ballance currently suring up that middle order.........
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Gary ballance currently suring up that middle order.........
So who would you drop so that you can play Balance?
Minimum of 3 seamers required (Stokes, Woakes and Broad/Ball)
Minimum of 3 spinners required (Ali, Rashid and Ansari/Batty)
A keeper (Bairstow.
Then Cook and Root are absolutes. So the only place you could play him is instead of Duckett or Hameed, but both are looking really strong.
The only option would be to open with Duckett and play Balance at 4, which defeats the object of trying Hameed as the new proper opening partner to Cook?
And can't drop Duckett who looks to be in amazing form.
I guess there wil be some tough choices to make if Balance hits a decent score today!!
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Duckett 60 retired, hameed 57 retired and ballance 36notnout the only 3 batsman that looked like they turned up today as England all out.
Not sure if ballance is the man, but I think he will play, instead of who I'm not sure.
Maybe the selectors are hoping cook asks to stay at home with the new baby. Problem solved.......
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Maybe the selectors are hoping cook asks to stay at home with the new baby. Problem solved.......
I thought I heard on the radio earlier that Cook has flown back to Bangladesh today. Not 100% on that though.
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I'm looking forward to another winter of Cooky in the subcontinent. An absolute joy to watch him grind the runs out
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cook is due back with the squad today and id love to see hameed and duckett both play but i dont think England will risk it
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cook is due back with the squad today and id love to see hameed and duckett both play but i dont think England will risk it
we can do that but Ballance misses out and we cut one of the 6 spinners in Pete's team :) down to 2.......
I cant remember the last time trying to have a bit of fun picking the England was so difficult. We are really getting strong as a team.
Really fancy us to win as well.
2 spinners, Ballance(good player) misses out, hameed to open and duckett in the middle.
Now....how do we get Jos in the team. :o
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I don't think you get Jos in the team. Stick with JB and get a proper batsman in who has been playing red ball cricket.
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yep.....can't see him getting in at the moment. Bairstow is a good player. He is going to be hit with spin thou so will get tested out.
However he did learn quick against Yasir last summer and played really well.
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Trying to pick a side isn't easy for the first test.
I think the side below is what England will go for, with the second name in some positions who I'd like to see get a game.
Who'd want to be a selector, eh?
Cook*
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ballance/Buttler
Stokes
Bairstow+
Ali
Woakes
Batty/Ansari
Broad/Ball
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It's really good to see Duckett and now Hameed scoring runs... however the bowling really worries me, looks like the BCB XI have been milking it around in both games.
Like most of you have said I think it is a tough side to pick (and i think will be even tougher for India) but i will go with -
1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Duckett
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Batty
11. Broad
This is due to i really think that Hameed is the long term opening partner (and successor) for Cook and Duckett has to play, therefore Balance has to go. We need to play 3 spinners and Batty will definitely do a job while the other 2 attack more. I have kept Bairstow at 7 because i don't think you can underestimate how much keeping in the sub-continent is going to take out of him, so i think moving Ali up to 5 is a better option.
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1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Duckett
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Batty
11. Broad
I think this is the most likely line-up for Thursdays 1st Test.
I would prefer to swap Batty for Ansari and Broad for Ball as well, but that's pretty unlikely!
I would also prefer to swap Bairstow and Ali round for Ali bats at 7.
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I think this is the most likely line-up for Thursdays 1st Test.
I would prefer to swap Batty for Ansari and Broad for Ball as well, but that's pretty unlikely!
I would also prefer to swap Bairstow and Ali round for Ali bats at 7.
I think that could be it Pete !! youre cracked it. If we really are going into a test with 3 spinners(can't remember the last time we did-if at all) that looks like the side.
If Ali and Rashid are in, Batty has got to play for experience and attitude. He may or may not of been selected to be a 'mentor' for ali, Rashid and Ansari but I think he will play.
3 spinners !! :o Fattus is going to be whopin and a holorin'
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I think this is the most likely line-up for Thursdays 1st Test.
I would prefer to swap Batty for Ansari and Broad for Ball as well, but that's pretty unlikely!
I would also prefer to swap Bairstow and Ali round for Ali bats at 7.
Ali at 5 would worry me a bit, and 7 is too low for Johnny Bairstow really.
Stokes being a genuine all rounder is a luxury, and this "he has to bat at 6" is a nice problem to have
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3 spinners !! :o Fattus is going to be whopin and a holorin'
I would actually count 3.5 spinners as Root counts has half a spinner - to take the odd wicket ;)
Although some would say that it is still 3 spinners as Ali only counts as half a spinner too!!
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I would actually count 3.5 spinners as Root counts has half a spinner - to take the odd wicket ;)
Although some would say that it is still 3 spinners as Ali only counts as half a spinner too!!
emburey and Edmonds a couple of times way back, and panesar and swann once or twice from my memory last time we played more than one.
Have we ever played more than two spinners, as in ever?? I don't think so......
not quite sure why but really looking forward to seeing how we do in testing conditions.....
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In the UAE vs Pakistan 2015 test 3.
Ali opened, samit Patel and Rashid all in the side.
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emburey and Edmonds a couple of times way back, and panesar and swann once or twice from my memory last time we played more than one.
Have we ever played more than two spinners, as in ever?? I don't think so......
not quite sure why but really looking forward to seeing how we do in testing conditions.....
Would the UAE test count when Ali, Rashid and Patel all played..? Plus Root.
EDIT: @smilley792 beat me to it!
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Why does everyone forget we played Swann & Kerrigan together! ;)
I think that was the last time we played 2 spinners in a home Test.
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Would the UAE test count when Ali, Rashid and Patel all played..? Plus Root.
EDIT: @smilley792 beat me to it!
yeah you and smiley great shout. we do know our cricket on this forum.... :)
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Why does everyone forget we played Swann & Kerrigan together! ;)
I think that was the last time we played 2 spinners in a home Test.
I don't know...but we do !!!! :)
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@ppccopener - 2 spinners and a fat dribbler would be the best option for me!
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really good report on the BCB XI game and Englands warm up in general.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1062083.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-england-2016-17/content/story/1062083.html)
Amazing stat that if the side i gave earlier plays, all 11 players will have scored a 1st Class 100.
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Why does everyone forget we played Swann & Kerrigan together! ;)
I think that was the last time we played 2 spinners in a home Test.
Kerrigan didn't pitch the ball in that test! Surely it has to at least bounce once to be classed as a spinner?
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Kerrigan didn't pitch the ball in that test! Surely it has to at least bounce once to be classed as a spinner?
to be fair the poor bloke did have a nightmare!!
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@ppccopener - 2 spinners and a fat dribbler would be the best option for me!
We've already established Rashid, Ali and Samit played together ;)
Sorry Samit, didn't mean it.
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Just gonna throw this out there, my mate just sent me his team England should play.
This is mental we got 4. FOUR. 4. Over the rope that's four spinners. Could we possibly field a team with only two seamers?
Cook
Haseeb
Rooooooooooooooooot
Bairstow
Ali
Stokes
Butler( get in!!)
Ansari
Rashid
Batty
Broad.
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Buttler before duckett? That ain't ever gonna happen on this tour.
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No it won't yr right. And Duckett I really do hope plays.
Looks like we will go in with 3 spinners thou and it's very exciting. We rarely play in conditions where it really spins so it's just what we need to do. Love Any England victory, but we can't always do it on green seamers.
Asia is the place to win. And I think we can. :)
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Just gonna throw this out there, my mate just sent me his team England should play.
This is mental we got 4. FOUR. 4. Over the rope that's four spinners. Could we possibly field a team with only two seamers?
Cook
Haseeb
Rooooooooooooooooot
Bairstow
Ali
Stokes
Butler( get in!!)
Ansari
Rashid
Batty
Broad.
Woakes not there, so two seamers when Stokes has only just got over injury?
And not playing the most in-form batsman over the last few innings? I realise Duckett may not perform but you have to play those in the best nick.
There is no way of getting a 4th spinner in there unless you weaken the batting or only risk 2 seamers which I can't see happening. Anyway, Root can turn his arm a little ;)
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There is no way of getting a 4th spinner in there unless you weaken the batting or only risk 2 seamers which I can't see happening. Anyway, Root can turn his arm a little ;)
I'm sure we could ask Gary Ballance to send some of his filthly leg breaks down if we get him into the side ;)
And Stokes is a true all rounder, he could bowl seam up with the new nut, the send his offies down once the shine is gone and it's softened up a bit! :D
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Woakes not there, so two seamers when Stokes has only just got over injury?
And not playing the most in-form batsman over the last few innings? I realise Duckett may not perform but you have to play those in the best nick.
There is no way of getting a 4th spinner in there unless you weaken the batting or only risk 2 seamers which I can't see happening. Anyway, Root can turn his arm a little ;)
I know it's crazy !!! youre right all signs point to us playing 3 spinners. If you think about the above team thou and take out Buttler and put Woakes in, we have 3 seamers and 4 spinners.....
I think that would make Bairstow at 4 and keeping a bit of a tough ask but it's another combination for a bit of fun :)
but yes.....we are going in
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I'm sure we could ask Gary Ballance to send some of his filthly leg breaks down if we get him into the side ;)
And Stokes is a true all rounder, he could bowl seam up with the new nut, the send his offies down once the shine is gone and it's softened up a bit! :D
yeah !!!! im sure he bowled some offies in a County match this year. spin is the way forward :)
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No way Stokes as 50% of your seam attack.
It has to be 3 spinners, 2 seamers + Stokes, plus a bunch of batting.
I'm coming round to Batty ahead of Ansari at the moment, to add a bit of control to counterbalance Rashid and Ali's filthy extravagance.
Personally Balance doesn't do it for me - if ever there was a series to blood both Haseeb and Duckers, this would be it. Sadly, I suspect the selectors will see it differently!
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Read this morning from the Telegraph that Duckett will definitely play and it's up to Cook whether that's opening or in the middle order with Hameed opening and Ballance dropped.
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Is there ever any need for more than three spinners unless you don't back them, in theory three should
Pretty much be able to bowl all day.
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We should be ok with 3 spinners plus Root to turn his arm if he is required!
Looks like it should be one of two options:
Option 1
1. Cook
2. Hameed
3. Root
4. Duckett
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Batty
11. Broad
Option 2:
1. Cook
2. Duckett
3. Root
4. Ballance
5. Ali
6. Stokes
7. Bairstow
8. Woakes
9. Rashid
10. Batty
11. Broad
I would prefer to see option 1 but I guess the final call is with Cook by the sounds of it!
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Option 1 with 3 seamers and three spinners and look how far down we bat.....
it's got to be that side. Balance is a very good cricketer but I think Duckett is going to be given a run out.
England are not as timid selection wise as we have been in the past. We could have a teenager opening the batting in a test, think back......how long since that happened? Cook at 21 is the youngest to debut I can remember in recent times.
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!
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Option 1 with 3 seamers and three spinners and look how far down we bat.....
If Ansari got the nod over Batty, the batting would be even stronger as Ansari is a mid-order batsman!
So he would probably bat at 8, Woakes at 9, Rashid at 10 and Broad at 11...that would be crazy!
But I kind of agree that with the changes we have made, plus playing Ali and Rashid, we really need Batty as the controlling spinner and not have another newby playing just yet!
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Just seen a creative suggestion on BBC Sport as to how you could get Buttler and Bairstow in the same side:
People talk about who should keep wicket. The game evolves & changes all the time. So why do we not play a different keeper in each innings, so each player only keeps for 1-2 days max? Also it would create healthy competition between the 2, and keep both their eyes in at the top level.
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I personally don't believe Ali will be at five. No matter the line up.
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Just seen a creative suggestion on BBC Sport as to how you could get Buttler and Bairstow in the same side:
With ducket hammeed and ballance all fighting over 2 batting spots, buttler isn't gonna get a look in. Well for the first test atleast.
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With ducket hammeed and ballance all fighting over 2 batting spots, buttler isn't gonna get a look in. Well for the first test atleast.
Hameed will open and Duckett will go four I think, with Ballance getting axed again.
As for Buttler I don't think he should be in the Test side, but it seems a lot of people want him in (they must have watched a different County Championship season to me...)
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I personally don't believe Ali will be at five. No matter the line up.
As I said previously, I would prefer to see Bairstow at 5 and Ali at 7.
And why not give Bairstow the gloves for the first innings. Then (assuming Duckett hasn't been batting for days) give Duckett the gloves for the 2nd innings?
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As for Buttler I don't think he should be in the Test side, but it seems a lot of people want him in (they must have watched a different County Championship season to me...)
I'm with you here, I think as outrageously talented as Buttler is he hasn't payed red ball cricket for a significant period of time and is our white ball superstar, why try and shoehorn him into the Test side when there are others arguably more deserving of a go?
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I'm with you here, I think as outrageously talented as Buttler is he hasn't payed red ball cricket for a significant period of time and is our white ball superstar, why try and shoehorn him into the Test side when there are others arguably more deserving of a go?
forum split on this one isn't it? it's like m and h and now the new free for all NB grey imports(I didn't comment because to be quite frank, I didn't know 'what was going off out there')
@WalkingWicket37 ....nice bloke, big unit i'm not arguing with him and part nutter,er sorry,scottish
Butler has got huuuuuuge talent, England management want him in and I reckon he should be in lower middle order.He's a better keeper than Bairstow...but I think it's one of Jos or YJB, there's no space for both you can see?
and YJB there's no way you can leave him out. Excellent player the lad is...and he has possession of the gloves going forward.
Personally I don't think Bairstow will become a good enough keeper long term. But of course I could be completely wrong :)
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The thing is, talent doesn't always mean success at the highest level (see Graham Hick and Mark Ramprakash)
While there's no doubting Buttler is a very talented player, he didn't exactly set the world alight in the Test arena. What's more, he doesn't blast tons for fun in the County Championship like a certain YJB did when he was told to make runs and win his place back.
He's certainly in England's plans, but how will they get him into the side?
As for Bairstow's keeping - he's no Chris Read, but...
Matt Prior wasn't great when he first made the England side, and people were saying his glove work wasn't good enough. He turned out alright, didn't he? Give Jonny time and he could become a great of the game - stranger things have happened...
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The thing is, talent doesn't always mean success at the highest level (see Graham Hick and Mark Ramprakash)
While there's no doubting Buttler is a very talented player, he didn't exactly set the world alight in the Test arena. What's more, he doesn't blast tons for fun in the County Championship like a certain YJB did when he was told to make runs and win his place back.
He's certainly in England's plans, but how will they get him into the side?
As for Bairstow's keeping - he's no Chris Read, but...
Matt Prior wasn't great when he first made the England side, and people were saying his glove work wasn't good enough. He turned out alright, didn't he? Give Jonny time and he could become a great of the game - stranger things have happened...
very true big fella. Prior ended up a very good keeper towards the end of his career.He was excellent all round for England.
Ramprakash(he's from my area, ive met him -lovely bloke) remained a mystery to me until he retired, watched all his career and no one has been technically more gifted.
YJB is a hard worker, keeping in Bangladesh is going to be hard work. Top player.
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i really think these 2 next series will make or break YJB's career to be either an England Batsman or England Batsman/Wicketkeeper.
Keeping in the sub-continent shows up all your weaknesses and will physically test him to the limit but at the same time will give him the opportunity to show the world he can really do the job long term.
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If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot. I'm not convinced.
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Though the idea of using two keepers has some merit given how much cricket England players play...sorry, are rested from. Though I'd be tempted to alternate sessions rather than innings.
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Though the idea of using two keepers has some merit given how much cricket England players play...sorry, are rested from. Though I'd be tempted to alternate sessions rather than innings.
Duckett is a keeper by trade, I believe, so we will (probably) have two glovemen on the pitch for the first Test.
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If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot. I'm not convinced.
This.
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Alternating keepers is just not going to happen.
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Duckett is a keeper by trade, I believe, so we will (probably) have two glovemen on the pitch for the first Test.
Correct, in fact for the last ODI there was 4 keepers on the field
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If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot. I'm not convinced.
Nail on the head there, if Duckett/Ballance/Buttler are competing for one batting space it's hard to argue against selecting Duckett on current form. Would like to see Buttler playing as much red ball as possible with a view to getting him in, but that's much more likely when we're back at home and not picking 6 bowlers. Bayliss is clearly keen to get him in the side so wouldn't be surprised if he does play at some point this winter though!
Not relevant to the current tour, but Buttler playing at home would raise the prospect of our 4-8 being Duckett, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali - that is some serious pain for away bowling attacks if the top 3 put a few on! And that's before you even get to Woakes or factor in how quickly Root scores.
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I'm sure I've heard Bayliss allude to the idea of rotating keepers during a game. When YJB was carrying England's batting last year you could tell he was struggling with the workload. Of course the best answer to that isn't to take the gloves off him, but for the England top order to actually give him the chance to rest properly
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Jonathan Agnew saying England should go with Hameed & Ballance :o
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893)
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Jonathan Agnew saying England should go with Hameed & Ballance :o
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893[/url])
hmmmm... I quite like Agnew to read on BBC... there's logic there, Balance has grit and experience, no doubt he is quality player sometimes better 'digging in' a bit like Compton. there's still a role for that type of player in tests.....
I just think myself really pleased Duckett was picked, he's in form, bags of talent and let's see how he goes...yes we have inexperience but at some point you got to give guys a go.
I hope they are not considering just one of Duckett of Hameed(rob key column on sky). Like to see both play.... :)
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Click bait.
Agnew only arrived yesterday and didn't see the Odi's or the warm up games.
Duckett is certain to start and likely to be opening.
That doesn't rule out Hameed who may bat at four, although there has been a chunk of talk about this being the other way round.
Likely team:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Hameed
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
Personally I think hameed at four balances the team better than the other way round.
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Click bait.
Agnew only arrived yesterday and didn't see the Odi's or the warm up games.
Duckett is certain to start and likely to be opening.
That doesn't rule out Hameed who may bat at four, although there has been a chunk of talk about this being the other way round.
Likely team:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Hameed
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
Personally I think hameed at four balances the team better than the other way round.
Buzz England won't do that... it's the wrong way round. Hameed is an out and out opener.Does Duckett not bat in both positions opening and number 4? have I got that wrong......
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Buzz England won't do that... it's the wrong way round. Hameed is an out and out opener.Does Duckett not bat in both positions opening and number 4? have I got that wrong......
I'm with you here Carlos.
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I am just being a bit pragmatic.
In Bangladesh you need an opening bat who hits it while the ball is new and hard.
Plus England's middle order is stuffed with stroke players. Having someone who bats time at 4 would really suit our team.
I understand what Hameed does for Lancashire and that Duckett has more experience at 4, I just think this works better looking at the line-up on paper.
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You could argue that Duckett made all his runs opening, so why make him bat 4?
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I am just being a bit pragmatic.
In Bangladesh you need an opening bat who hits it while the ball is new and hard.
Plus England's middle order is stuffed with stroke players. Having someone who bats time at 4 would really suit our team.
I understand what Hameed does for Lancashire and that Duckett has more experience at 4, I just think this works better looking at the line-up on paper.
That's not the worst shout and does make sense!
But I just think that the selectors want Hameed to open long term and therefore and want to start testing him now.
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Blood the lads now and let them get comfortable in the international arena!! How many times have we ummmd and arrrrd about batsman pre Ashes and then something happens and decision is made last minute to chuck them in - reference see Robson, Carberry, Lyth et al. If Lyth had been given a run of 2years before his ashes appearance, I personally feel he could still be the man in possession of the opening spot!
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I've just read an article on BBC Cricket saying that Duckett should be left out for Balance...I've never read such rubbish. Duckett must play and bat at 4.
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Why is there no talk of Duckett batting at 3 and Root at 4?
Root seems to always have preferred batting at 4 and then we have 2 openers in Hameed and Duckett batting at 2 and 3?
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Why is there no talk of Duckett batting at 3 and Root at 4?
Root seems to always have preferred batting at 4 and then we have 2 openers in Hameed and Duckett batting at 2 and 3?
I suspect that Root is happy at 3 now and that all his talk about not wanting to move from 4 is a distant memory!
But you are right....if Root wanted to get back to 4 then this would be the perfect time to make his case as Duckett should make a decent 2, 3 or 4!
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I suspect that Root is happy at 3 now and that all his talk about not wanting to move from 4 is a distant memory!
But you are right....if Root wanted to get back to 4 then this would be the perfect time to make his case as Duckett should make a decent 2, 3 or 4!
If Root is happy at 3 now he's scoring some runs in that position, and Duckett will make a decent 2, 3 or 4 it seems daft to shuffle the order just for the sake of it. "Best player at 3" an all...
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Also, if you lose Cook early, it breaks up the two potential debutants.
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Root will want to bat where he scores runs. Don't want to bat 3?, moves to 3 and get's a double ton and lots more as well, he will want to stay there exactly.
KP never moved from 4....he got a few the big cheese...
I hope we get duckett in as well as Hameed
cook
hameed
rooooooooooooooooot
duckett
ali
stokes
bairstow
is a pretty good top 6
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Why can't people count to six on this forum?
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Bound to be a good top 6 if you've squeezed 7 batters into it!!!
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oh yeah!
oops
:)
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TBH thinks it's harsh on Ballance if he's axed again. Duckett opening and Ballance at 4 for me.
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I would rate Bairstow as a better bat than Ali personally....even if they do decide to play Ali at 5 and Jonny at 7!!
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Why can't people count to six on this forum?
It's a cricket thing...
Even elite umpires need a special device to assist them in doing so, so us muppets who just play have no hope!
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Duckett confirmed as opener. Ballance at 4.
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Duckett confirmed as opener. Ballance at 4.
Crazy, why take Hameed if you're not going to play him?
Hameed to open and Duckett at 4 would have been the best option, surely? ???
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Duckett confirmed as opener. Ballance at 4.
I make that 3 batting positions :)
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Crazy, why take Hameed if you're not going to play him?
Hameed to open and Duckett at 4 would have been the best option, surely? ???
Hameed is only 5. His time will come.
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Duckett confirmed as opener. Ballance at 4.
Pffft! Idiots! Hameed might as well play for the Lions.
I just seem to have a mental block with Balance - he doesn't seem to be the real deal for me, although stating this is now a sure fire way of him getting 350 not out.
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the press have duckett and haseeb in the team
It's the wrong move if Haseeb misses out. He should play as opener with Duckett 4.
there's a lot of strokeplayers in the middle order I think England like Balance because he is a sticker and can battle it out.
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the press have duckett and haseeb in the team
It's the wrong move if Haseeb misses out. He should play as opener with Duckett 4.
there's a lot of strokeplayers in the middle order I think England like Balance because he is a sticker and can battle it out.
Yeah, Id'd rather have someone make an ugly 12 before snicking off than a pretty 30-odd... Wait, no I wouldn't!
Has Gary Ballance got pictures of Cook or Bayliss in compromising positions or something? Can't see what he did to earn a recall in the first place, let alone keep his place...
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Has Gary Ballance got pictures of Cook or Bayliss in compromising positions or something? Can't see what he did to earn a recall in the first place, let alone keep his place...
I wonder if Chef lends his grip cone to anyone...
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Yeah, Id'd rather have someone make an ugly 12 before snicking off than a pretty 30-odd... Wait, no I wouldn't!
Has Gary Ballance got pictures of Cook or Bayliss in compromising positions or something? Can't see what he did to earn a recall in the first place, let alone keep his place...
didn't do much last year. To be fair.......his test average is pretty damn good even if he is a bit lucky to be on the tour. England have used Compton,taylor,Vince in the middle order
maybe they want to give him this series so we are not going thru players like the bad old days?
tight call I would suggest keeping Balance in.
I wonder what selection meetings are like at the top level? at our club we just tend to shout at each other, anyone dropped(apart from yours truly who took it like a man) throws their toys out for a couple of months.
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I'd say the man in the team has priority and someone has to play incredibly well and impress to replace which is why it's been a choice of hammeed and duckett as balance hasn't really done anything wrong and bats what meetings will be about, if a change needs to be made rather than who to pick if that makes sense
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I'd say the man in the team has priority and someone has to play incredibly well and impress to replace which is why it's been a choice of hammeed and duckett as balance hasn't really done anything wrong and bats what meetings will be about, if a change needs to be made rather than who to pick if that makes sense
It makes perfect sense, and a good way of looking at selection
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So, I would like to see: Cock, Duckett, Root, Hameed, Ali/Bairstow, Stokes, Bairstow/Ali, Woakes, Zafar, Batty, Broad
Alas - unlikely as Ballance, Rashid more likely than Hameed/Zafar
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So, I would like to see: Cock,
Very different forum that is.
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So, I would like to see: Cock, Duckett, Root, Hameed, Ali/Bairstow, Stokes, Bairstow/Ali, Woakes, Zafar, Batty, Broad
Alas - unlikely as Ballance, Rashid more likely than Hameed/Zafar
Superb!!
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Hmm, in form a Quentin de kock kolpak England transfer will lid even sweet!
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Hmm, in form a Quentin de kock kolpak England transfer will lid even sweet!
He'd be handy!
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Very different forum that is.
Whoops, wrong browser! ;)
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Whoops, wrong browser! ;)
Mums.net again?
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:) Dammit, I told you that in confidence....
Anyway, back to Bangladesh...
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So, I would like to see: Cock, Duckett, Root, Hameed, Ali/Bairstow, Stokes, Bairstow/Ali, Woakes, Zafar, Batty, Broad
Alas - unlikely as Ballance, Rashid more likely than Hameed/Zafar
Yep, agree. Although Hameed would open if he and Duckett were to both play.
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Am i the only one against ali/bairstow at either 5 or 7 and not just move stokes/bairstow/ali up one place? I get hes an allrounder but ali at 5 doesnt do it for me, then theres the argument of bairstow keeping and batting 5..
Im prepared to be shot down in flames though
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Im prepared to be shot down in flames though
Not by me.
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Tough gig on the keeper to bat #5 and keep in such tough conditions. Bairstow's good enough to bat #5, but for optimum performance in these conditions #7 is about right IMO
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Yeah bairstow has proved himself good enough, and blimey I'm agreeing with felix whoop whoop but in these conditions it's a very tough ask.
He is going to be standing up......what do we reckon 60-70 per cent of the innings maybe?
I think in this side Ali will bat 5, stokes 6 and YJB 7.....
I know buzz has tips on the team but I still think hameed will open....the papers don't seem to have Duckett opening but do have him playing....
Can only think if ballance does play they want an experienced player in the middle...more of a battler than stroke player if you see what I mean.
Can't wait for tommorow it's going to be interesting selection
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So who's getting up at 5am for it all? Ah, the glory of the subcontinent...
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So who's getting up at 5am for it all? Ah, the glory of the subcontinent...
I don't have a choice, up at that time for work every day.
Apprentice is driving though, im having the test on!
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Honest to god I haven't planned this on purpose but once again I've managed to book a day working from home to coincide with the first day of the test! I have the school run to do in the morning, but should be locked in for the 2nd session onwards
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England win the toss and bat, Duckett/Ballance/Batty make it in, Moeen gets no5.
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I didn't know this time of day existed...
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I didn't know this time of day existed...
Alright for some ;)
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Generic post about white ball cricket.........
2down.
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Jesus Christ. Dreadful shot selection from Cook.
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This is the kind of pitch India would be proud of...absolute Bunsen burner...
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Welp
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3 down. All tonspin in 12 overs.
Decent round arm change up to get ballance after turning it away from him all over.
Anyway mehedi has bowled 6 and hasan one of the 12 bowled.
There is a decent amount of spin already in this pitch. I'm pretty sure someone has been saying all winter that "Bangladesh doesn't even spin that much, it's not India........."
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3 down. All tonspin in 12 overs.
Decent round arm change up to get ballance after turning it away from him all over.
Anyway mehedi has bowled 6 and hasan one of the 12 bowled.
There is a decent amount of spin already in this pitch. I'm pretty sure someone has been saying all winter that "Bangladesh doesn't even spin that much, it's not India........."
Guilty as charged...
TBH even Athar Ali Khan said he's hasn't seen a pitch like this in Chittagong in years.
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What time did the match start U.K. time? Surprise selection for me was Ballance
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Started 5am UK time.
Think a turner was always on the cards here, Farbrace was in the media a couple of weeks ago saying he expected we'll play 3 spinners at Chittagong but not wherever the other test is. At least we can be thankful we're not batting last on this!
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Don't think this test match will last 3 days. It's already turning square. Does make for a quick and Interesting match!
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Morning guys i overslept just about to turn the tv on
Turning a bit is it? :)
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To me it seems like Moeen Ali has no clue what's going on.
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Oh my giddy aunt its turning big thank god we are batting first
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Is Darmasena alright? That second one didn't look close live to being out!
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oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
root now gone too!! glad I'm at work today and not gonna see much of it!
hope stokes and bairstow do what they do best!!!
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Root gone and so has my breakfast all over the floor. He was looking so good this morning. Could be 150 all out. I hope Stokes can bash us out of the mire :(
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100 up, no idea what is a good score but anything around 200-250??
think it's fair to say the seamers are redundant. Jimmy could of played anyway and just stood in the slips :)
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What on Earth is this wicket?
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What on Earth is this wicket?
I thought it was a green top ;)
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What on Earth is this wicket?
It's ghost of wickets yet to come....
Rajkot, principally.
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It's ghost of wickets yet to come....
Rajkot, principally.
yeah absolutely..we had better get used to it. still DRS in our favour Ali 0-5 up at the moment !!!
come on moeen!! :)
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Dharmasena's replacement for the next Test...
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Big mo to fifty.
Always said he should be at number five...............
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Sky seem to have sent the commentary B team. Loved Dominic Cork as a player and even as a personality, but as a commentator I find him tedious
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yeah absolutely..we had better get used to it. still DRS in our favour Ali 0-5 up at the moment !!!
come on moeen!! :)
The lesser known Dexys Midnight Runners song...
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Sky seem to have sent the commentary B team. Loved Dominic Cork as a player and even as a personality, but as a commentator I find him tedious
That is an unfair post from someone 'working from home'....
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That is an unfair post from someone 'working from home'....
yeah !!! 'by complete coincidence I happen to be working from home today'
:)
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Advantage of having 3 Screens at work!
Can 'work' on two and have the cricket full screen on the third. :D
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we love johnny bairstow
who needs Jos Butler? :)
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258-7 at stumps. Not a bad recovery from the middle order/tail really; got to hand it to Moeen/YJB/Woakes for doing what they were for large parts of the summer.
On that pitch it already looks like a decent score, 300 would be great though.
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It's a great effort from us.
YJB showing he do it against spin as well.
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I didn't actually see any cricket as I don't have Sky Sports, I don't have Kodi and I am at work.
But from the commentary, they reckon it was spinning/gripping from the opening overs.
Therefore it may have been a decent toss to win and bat first on. Plus if England get to 300 on this wicket and bowl well, then 300 could prove to be like 500 on a 'normal' wicket!
I suspect it's not a wicket you'd want to bat last on!!
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I didn't actually see any cricket as I don't have Sky Sports, I don't have Kodi and I am at work.
But from the commentary, they reckon it was spinning/gripping from the opening overs.
Therefore it may have been a decent toss to win and bat first on. Plus if England get to 300 on this wicket and bowl well, then 300 could prove to be like 500 on a 'normal' wicket!
I suspect it's not a wicket you'd want to bat last on!!
Put it this way you would be lethal on it. It's ragging square :)
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Watch it go from a square turning Bunsen while Bangladesh bowl, to a road while our "spinners" get hit round the ground...
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For anyone that missed the 9 minute, 3 DRS review over https://streamable.com/5lht
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For anyone that missed the 9 minute, 3 DRS review over https://streamable.com/5lht
9 minutes to bowl 1 over yet we still had 92 over sin the day as the over rate was superb from Bangladesh
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Watch it go from a square turning Bunsen while Bangladesh bowl, to a road while our "spinners" get hit round the ground...
Batty gives it a rip I've read. at least we hope...
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9 minutes to bowl 1 over yet we still had 92 over sin the day as the over rate was superb from Bangladesh
Not surprised they got so many overs in - bowling spinners all the time would be a lot quicker!
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Put it this way you would be lethal on it. It's ragging square :)
Surely my bowling is lethal on any surface!
Ok, seriously, if my bowling would be lethal on it then it sounds like a ripper!
Looking forward to watching the highlights! Quite relieved that we played 3/4 spinners now! Is it too late to substitute Broad out for Ansari?
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Surely my bowling is lethal on any surface!
Ok, seriously, if my bowling would be lethal on it then it sounds like a ripper!
Looking forward to watching the highlights! Quite relieved that we played 3/4 spinners now! Is it too late to substitute Broad out for Ansari?
honestly we are had a bit of fun with the 4 spinners thing, well at least I did.. but the seamers are redundant.
they have 5 spinners. you never know the pitch may go up and down in which case stokes broad and woakes might come into it. but it sure looks like a spinning top
it's not going to stop spinning if it starts like this( I don't think)
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Gary Ballance to show why he was selected with a last day 5-fer to win the game. He will give a Warne esque masterclass of leg spin!
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I bet you Stokes can rip some spin on that wicket! Would be amusing to see someone like Stokes bowling spin!!
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It's whether it slows down I think. Today it was turning a long way and it was sharp turn as well. As the pitch gets older will the spin get slower and easier to play?
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Cook and Ballance to open the bowling both getting 5er within a session ;)
On a more serious note are the BCCI really going to reject Hawkeye for DRS again after today showed how valuable it can be?
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I bet you Stokes can rip some spin on that wicket! Would be amusing to see someone like Stokes bowling spin!!
Im sure theres a video of him bowling offies for durham out there
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Im sure theres a video of him bowling offies for durham out there
didnt he bowl some in a warm up earlier on in the summer for them??
had a look on youtube but couldnt find anything
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He did in the UAE last year as well
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18 year old debutant spinner was very impressive. 33 overs on your debut, solid effort.
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Just seen the highlights.
Does Kumar not like Moeen, or does he not know the rules? Has to be one or the other!
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DRS to the rescue about 10 times.
We are without the technology in India correct?. Which is another subject completely why India think they can reject it based on some nonsense reason
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For anyone that missed the 9 minute, 3 DRS review over https://streamable.com/5lht
Just seen the video, some ordinary umpiring considering Kumar have been good in the last couple of years.
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Highligts on itv 4 for anyone interested
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This is a good score for that turning pitch. England has an enviable batting depth! It would be interesting to see how team Bangladesh fare on the pitch. 2nd inning batting would be a nightmare though.
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Highligts on itv 4 for anyone interested
Interesting commentary, surely Ed Smith and Trotty haven't just sat there and commentated on the entire day's play!
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Interesting commentary, surely Ed Smith and Trotty haven't just sat there and commentated on the entire day's play!
ed smith is a shocker :(
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In writing End is brilliant. He just had a really dull voice.
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Ed. Damn autocorrect.
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In writing End is brilliant. He just had a really dull voice.
Especially when he is ripping off other people. http://thecricketcouch.com/blog/2016/07/28/ed-smith-pulls-a-melania-trump/ (http://thecricketcouch.com/blog/2016/07/28/ed-smith-pulls-a-melania-trump/)
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Love Rashid's attitude to batting against spin, not at all bothered by the turn and just looking to score all the time... and as I type he goes, dammit.
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Two reviews already overturned...
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Two reviews already overturned...
What is going on with the umpires? Can't be easy umpiring when it's turning square, but Dharmasena's gonna be a nervous wreck by the end of day 3 at this rate.
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3 overturned.....
That's the tiny tiny spike, but a spike non the less.
Has Cork ever commented on tests before? Or was he just Odis and t20s previously?
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I think he's commented in Bangladesh before on local TV so they've probably roped him in for this series because he knows about the players.
Good total from England, thought Moeen might get the new ball ahead of Batty because I thought he might bowl a little quicker through the air which makes the delivery that skids on more dangerous.
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Thats a beauty from mo!!
No one is playing that...
Bowling a bit quicker which is the way to go
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Another one!!!
Come on
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Called it, Moeen's going to be the best bowler for England on this pitch. He's the quickest of the spin trio and he gets as many revs as any of them.
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Cricket. Don't think I'll ever understand it.
Ali is our main test spineer(weather you agree or not is another discussion)
Rashid is his back up(always tours and occasional in home test squad)
Batty added for tour where more spin is needed.
Batty opens bowling and gets most of session.
Ali last spinner used........... and look Ali has 2!!
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Cricket. Don't think I'll ever understand it.
Ali is our main test spineer(weather you agree or not is another discussion)
Rashid is his back up(always tours and occasional in home test squad)
Batty added for tour where more spin is needed.
Batty opens bowling and gets most of session.
Ali last spinner used........... and look Ali has 2!!
This winter is going to be a rude awakening for all the people clamouring for Rashid or anyone else to replace Moeen.
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Yes mo!!! Great start, this could be a real contender disenfranchised boost for him going to India!! Could have a triple wicket maiden if he carries on in the same fashion after lunch!
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Lunch break at the perfect time to switch over to the start of the Pakistan-Windies test. Channel 789 for those with Sky.
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Ali and rashid bowling slightly quicker thru the air from what i watched so far-mayb that is the key?
Batty so far giving it a bit more air.
Whoever bowls first/second lets face it they will all be bowling a lot!
:)
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And another. Shame as that was quite the grab from Rooty.
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Wahey!
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Im sure Batty just burst a blood vessel celebrating that one!
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Yesssssssssssssssssssssss Gareth. So happy for him.
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Big wicket that, if they can move Shakib on cheaply they'll fancy going in with a lead here.
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Looks like Woakes and Broad will be in just for their batting,with the benifit of hindsight Ansari for one of them would have Ben good.
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Probably Bangladesh's day, but great to get the wicket at the end. Very finely poised test match...
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Perfectly poised, a lead for either team, no matter how slender, could prove absolutely crucial.
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good effort from us again I reckon(I might be biased !)
they have got a tail so we could knock them over early in the morning
it's gonna spin all game but will it deteriorate? I reckon it's a good job we batted first.
and did we get selection right? 4 spinners in hindsight? if you got 3 do you need 4......
test cricket is so interesting when we are under the cosh.
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Not sure, when you have a genuine batsman (Stokes) and a good batting all rounder (Woakes) that it hurts much having the protection of three seamers. If we only had two and one broke down it would really reduce options.
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It would it's a risk. Hindsight is wonderful in selection.
Personally I reckon if we have 3(good) spinners we don't need a forth.......as far as England goes, even thou at least one of the seamers is pretty redundant(so far)
Agnew on BBC saying the wicket is deteriorating, I thought it would....
might go up and down a bit so as well as spin woakes and stokes and broad might come into the game.We are good when there is some variable bounce.....
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Rashid was pretty disappointing. Bowled too short, it's like limited overs bowling is now his default setting. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but Ansari might've been a better bet. Al Hasan attacks the stumps relentlessly, which is what Ansari could've done.
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Swinging in our way. Wahey.
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Fantastic from Stokes to get us that lead
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That last ball was a beauty!!!!
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Yeah top from stokes,seamers in the game :)
Two down thou come on gaz time to hang around
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Awful shot from root, awful review
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20 balls... 2 runs... 3 wickets...
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Death, taxes and England 28-3
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It's a silly thing but I think watching it Ballance stitched up Duckett there leaving him to face another over before lunch. Duckett walked off at 12.02 and Ballance had 3 balls at the end of the over and did nothing to waste time etc...
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Do you think selectors will stick with Duckett or rotate him with Hameed for the next test?
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They will stick with duckett. I think the question will be if hameed plays and duckett bats at 4. I think a lot depends how balance goes this innings.
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Dont understand how Ballance gets in the team
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Well thats brainless from ballance
Either hit it or defend it- half half gets you out
Hameed i hope next text with duckett at 4 !!
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After 41 overs we finally see seam in the second innings!!
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Gosh - this is attritional stuff, but strangely compelling.
Do we think a 200 lead is enough pressure on the Banglas?
Do we think we can even manage a 185 lead?
I'd love 250 lead as it does flatten out after 20 overs or so. Time for Batty to come to the party today!
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All depends how Stokes and YJB can go for. 200-220 lead would be good.
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I would love to see 250 lead but who knows what is safe? 250 may not be enough but 100 lead could be safe going into day 4/5!
Just hope Stokes and Bairstow can stay focused.
Whether we win or lose this first Test, I would still like to see Hameed in at 2 and Duckett at 4 with Ballance rested!
Would also like to see Ansari in for Batty as well.
If we manage to grab a win in this Test, I really hope the selectors don't do the normal and keep the same team!! They need to try the different players now!
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Most test runs made in a calander year by a wicketkeeper, ever! Hats off for YJB
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Most test runs made in a calander year by a wicketkeeper, ever! Hats off for YJB
Bairstow up the order and Buttler back in?
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If he is hitting runs where he is, why change it?
If I made any changes on these Bangladesh wickets, I would rest Broad and play Ansari instead! Do we need 3 seamers on these wickets?
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The question is really if the second test is a similar wicket do we leave out broad and pick 4 count em 4 spinners!!
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It's unlikely that the Indian wickets would be quite as spin friendly as this Bangladesh wicket has been! But if we did play Ali, Rashid, Batty and Ansari in the same Test, then it would be the perfect opportunity to see all 4 spin bowlers playing on the same wicket before India.
Hats off to Stokes for a gritty 50!!
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Briiliant stuff from stokes
We need 250 lead ?
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Angry northern gingers are mint
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Only change i would make is Hameed for Ballance. I think the wicket will be pretty much the same but if you take Broad out and the spinners don't go well you put too much pressure on Stokes bowling when as we can see he is going to have a massive job to do with the bat.
I also think we will need 250 lead otherwise it becomes harder for Cook because he won't know whether to stick or twist in the field etc...
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Yep. I still view Stokes as a batter and a 'bonus' bowler in these games.
How about Ball for Broad?
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Broad will never sit a game if he's fit. Just...no. It's Stuart Broad.
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Who was it that kept saying stokes was a white ball biffer that only scored on flat tracks?
Cook, stokes, root and bairstow have to be permanently on that team sheet for me, rest can be rotated/replaced easily.
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Stokes has some serious tats too(check other thread).
This game is going in our favour :)
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Fantastic effort from stokes, shame he didn't get a ton but a real gritty innings never the less.
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Who was it that kept saying stokes was a white ball biffer that only scored on flat tracks?
Cook, stokes, root and bairstow have to be permanently on that team sheet for me, rest can be rotated/replaced easily.
Spot on. I can't remember a player improve so much in an England shirt as bairstow has as a batsman.
According to Vaughan on Twitter it's down to hard work. No mystery just graft to improve his game.
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Who was it that kept saying stokes was a white ball biffer that only scored on flat tracks?
Cook, stokes, root and bairstow have to be permanently on that team sheet for me, rest can be rotated/replaced easily.
That would be me...
Tucking into my hat as we speak with a humble pie warming in the oven.
Joking aside I've been really impressed with Stokes this tour, he's been exactly the genuine all rounder England need and long may it continue! I keep forgetting how young he actually is, maybe he's just starting to mature mentally, I think he alluded to it in an interview before the tour (can't remember who he said it to though)
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That Was A Very Ugly Run Out, Stuart Broad.
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Off and running one down well done Mo and a smart catch !
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Another decision turned over from this umpire. He's having a seriously bad day at the office
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That is a great ball Gazza!!!!
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GAZ
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Bangladesh will chase this with ease I reckon
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We need one more wicket....quickly thou
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This is where I fear for Ali
He looks good when he is on top or players are looking to milk him but when a player goes after him he seems to be a deer in the headlights
India will be going after him so he will have to learn to get up for the challenge soon
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That is a great ball Gazza!!!!
Oh, Batty.
When I saw the name Gazza I thought my prediction of a Gary Ballance 5 fer was coming true... :-[
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Not been able to watch the game.
But I was led to believe 286 on this wicket translated into a million runs?
One more wicket and we should run through the tail... he said in hope.
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Bangladesh have batted really sensibly. Attacked the spinners and now the field is pushed back, now just milking singles and it all looks really easy. There is some reverse but not massive
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Really want England to win this series (and in India) but also have £75 on Bangladesh at 7.50 so fairly decided loyalties at the moment. Maybe cash out when the need 10 to
Win and hope Ballance can then produce his 5-fer.
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BREAKTHROUGH
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England really are gonna struggle this winter.
The bowling attack is to weak on these pitches.
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Those balls from Broad and Stokes missing off stump were beauties...
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Spin at both ends might play into the hands of Bangladesh, I'd say call it a day and come back tomorrow Cook
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Pretty poor from the spinners struggling to bowl a side out in the 4th innings.
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Straight after tea 3 spinners in the side ball turning and bouncing banglerdesh wanting 100 plus so what does Cook do open with Woakes and Stokes then brings on the spinners when the batsman are in and have scored a further 20 plus without loss which hardly shows confidence in his spinners
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Batty has bowled well, as has Rashid to a point, but the quicks have bowled superbly when called upon. I still think the way to go is another quick who can reverse it rather than another mediocre spinner.
I wasn't a fan of batty being selected but based on his current performance he should be the first spinner on the team sheet for a couple of years until leach is ready.
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Seamers have been our best bowlers home and away for a long time
This wicket is turning square but agree we might need something special to get over the line from stokes or broad
I think Batty has bowled well too...seems like a good selectoon
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This Test has been great. I'm happy if either team wins tomorrow, they'll have earned it.
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Rashid shouldn't be in the side. Bowls to much rubbish. Get Ansari in and hope he can emulate Al Hasan
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Cook's captaincy of spinners isn't great.
I still expect Eng to win tomorrow am.
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Rashid shouldn't be in the side. Bowls to much rubbish. Get Ansari in and hope he can emulate Al Hasan
No-one can walk into this level as a league and put it on the spot from ball one.
You need to give him time to bed in.
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No-one can walk into this level as a league and put it on the spot from ball one.
You need to give him time to bed in.
Bed in? Rashid can't land it most times. Full tosses and long hops. He's got 400 odd first class wickets so either he's a jammy bowler or he's bowling to some serious clowns
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Bed in? Rashid can't land it most times. Full tosses and long hops. He's got 400 odd first class wickets so either he's a jammy bowler or he's bowling to some serious clowns
He has a better average and strike rate that Warne had at the same point of his international career.
I guess the Aussies shouldn't have stuck with him either?
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Bed in? Rashid can't land it most times. Full tosses and long hops. He's got 400 odd first class wickets so either he's a jammy bowler or he's bowling to some serious clowns
I'd say it says more about the difference between first class and test cricket
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He has a better average and strike rate that Warne had at the same point of his international career.
I guess the Aussies shouldn't have stuck with him either?
Warne got mauled by Tendulkar, and that little fella from India is general consensus one of the best to ever wield the willow...
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If thats the yardstick then Hansie Cronje must have been the best bowler in the world because Tendulkar opnely admits he struggled the most against him..
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Stokesy saves the day again.
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What A Great Game. :) :) :) :)
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Really good game. Didn't feel like England were that poor, so does this signal the start of Bangladesh being rightfully established as a test nation?
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What a great test match! Been really impressed with how Bangladesh have gone about their business, they've got a very talented squad who are proving very difficult to beat. Also it's been great to see how much Stokes has come on mentally over the last year, he's really starting to realise he doesn't have to blast the ball out of the park to affect the course of the game and he looks like England's most proficient bowler in the dark art of reverse swing, well done Ben lad.
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they are a tough side to play in their conditions so that makes it a great win for us.
good test match, thank the lord for DRS! it would be a total lottery without it.
I would think England may be unchanged for the next match, Knight was saying if Balance did not play everyone could move up one place and Butler could go in the middle order.
I don't think we will do that, I think Balance will get another test, which of course means if he fails Hameed starts against India with no previous test experience at all.
tricky !
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When I said yesterday "give Stokes the ball first thing tomorrow, and tell him to win the game" I was told that was a bad idea because "he hasn't taken a wicket today"
Not going to say "I told you so" but... ;)
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An outstanding test match, great stuff lads
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The biggest question has to be the pitch for the next game. What do they do? Drop Balance and play Ansari?
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Joe Root is a good bloke
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Joe Root is a good bloke
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As far as i could tell, root broad stokes and bairstow all went up to sabbir and congratulated him on his knock, id say most of the english team did!
Fabulous test match and as people have said Bangladesh are not a bad side in hope conditions, if you add mustafizur back into the side and they look even stronger!! good things to come from what is still a young side by all accounts, hope they push England hard again in the next test!
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Joe Root is a good bloke
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How do we know he wasn't saying "that's 1-nil to us, and you're sh!t"? :D ;)
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Given the closeness of this test... And analysing it... Do England even stand a chance of been competitive in India?
Too many potential flaws in this England side atm. Ballance? Opener? Spinners not really threatening?
Or is that too harsh an assessment?
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Possibly a little harsh as bangla are not as bad of a side as we all think, and in regards ot selection, yes hameed opening and duckett at 4 would be preferable but we have what we have and we won a very tough and hard fought test match, in india i think with the experience of winning last time another hard fought and competitive series will happen
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Possibly a little harsh as bangla are not as bad of a side as we all think, and in regards ot selection, yes hameed opening and duckett at 4 would be preferable but we have what we have and we won a very tough and hard fought test match, in india i think with the experience of winning last time another hard fought and competitive series will happen
fair enough. just worries me, that possibly Hameed will be asked to make his debut in such tough conditions. I think ideally, they needed Ballance to score runs here so they could preserve with him.
Also worrying me is the England spinners. Not sure they will pose a threat to the indian batting?
Arguably, a better spin attack (NZ), didn't pose much threat. So not sure how Englands trio will cope.
Going to need Cook, Root to score big and then hope to create scoreboard pressure?
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fair enough. just worries me, that possibly Hameed will be asked to make his debut in such tough conditions. I think ideally, they needed Ballance to score runs here so they could preserve with him.
Also worrying me is the England spinners. Not sure they will pose a threat to the indian batting?
Arguably, a better spin attack (NZ), didn't pose much threat. So not sure how Englands trio will cope.
Going to need Cook, Root to score big and then hope to create scoreboard pressure?
yes quite right we will. But don't underestimate our seamers. We have done it before in spin friendly conditions and they could well play a big part in India. Looks like there could be some reverse swing for us.
But it's a very tough ask to even draw there...
as for the spinners...Batty turns out a good choice, Ali bowled well, Rashid is not consistent enough but not many have bowling wrist spin, he does get wickets.
Ansari untried don't think he is ahead of the other 3...
Ashwin is waiting for us and with DRS now being used I would suggest we are up against it.
:)
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yeah agreed, seamers will have a bigger part to play than most may think. going to need them to be on their game, as don't think the spin trio will have much threat...
ashwin and jadeja both, in tandem are a handful on the recent wickets that india have been producing.
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the spinners we have......are facing batsmen who are simply superb at playing spin, it's natural to them as unnatural as it is to us.
Indian batters over the years(ive seen a lot of them) are so good it's scary.
We probably have the best 3 spinners out there, how much impact they have not sure....
we are no where near as good as India in the spin dept, we def have better seamers.
as an England fan, I would be absolutely delighted with a drawn series.
head says we won't thou !!
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unless 2 of the spinners have series of their lives (similar to moeen vs india at home) then were in trouble but not as much as people think we will be! the likes of woakes stokes and broad maybe even ball will be our saving grace in the series and i think they'll take more wickets than a lot of people think, and for the sake of a balanced side i cant see how jimmy can play, its him or broad for me and id rather have broad in the side for the subcontinent. i also hope that ballance is dropped although i like him in the side in english conditions
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The other thing about the India series is i hope that Cook has his lucky calling hat on because winning the toss will be vital over there.
Although the Kiwis were vastly outplayed, Williamson last the toss in all 3 tests - India batted 1st put over 300 (500 in the 3rd test) on the board and then that allows Ashwin to bowl with the fields he wants and less pressure etc...
Plus the obvious that batting last will not easy at all! As we saw in this test.
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The other thing about the India series is i hope that Cook has his lucky calling hat on because winning the toss will be vital over there.
Although the Kiwis were vastly outplayed, Williamson last the toss in all 3 tests - India batted 1st put over 300 (500 in the 3rd test) on the board and then that allows Ashwin to bowl with the fields he wants and less pressure etc...
Plus the obvious that batting last will not easy at all! As we saw in this test.
exactly right there, NZ got the rough end of the toss every time.Very unlucky they are a far better side than the scoreline ended up in that series
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I think we are overestimating the quality of the indian batsman against spin, Panasar and Swann showed they weren't that amazing against it, just more used to playing it.
The England team have an issue that the top 4 aren't scoring enough runs. That has been an issue for a very long time.
This is not separate to the quality of our spinners. It is linked. If our top order were scoring runs our middle order would invoke havoc on a tired attack. Giving our spinners more of a total to bowl at and more attacking field placements.
Our spinners aren't in the class of Swann and Panasar but we have to make do with what we have. It isn't as if there is any one else.
My view is you play the same team (or swap Ansari for Rashid) and carry on. The mix of 3 and 3 seamers and spinners is fine.
The top 4 must score runs.
I would like to see hameed bat at 4 plus hopefully Duckett won't be so nervous in the next test.
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Like I have been saying, we need Ansari to have a run out - he offers left hand variation and looks like Rashid could be the one to rest next Test hopefully!
And we really need to test Hameed out (I would open with him) before England go to India - the obvious person to rest is Ballance!!
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The last series in India was largely won by Cook, KP, Swann and Panesar. There were some good knocks by Prior etc and few good spells by Jimmy also, but largely, IMO these 4 guys made 75% of the difference. Out of these 4, 3 are not in the present squad and someone from current squad has to match the standard of cricket they played. That will decide if it will be a draw or england lose.
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The other thing about the India series is i hope that Cook has his lucky calling hat on because winning the toss will be vital over there.
Happy to DHL my lucky pants.
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Lots of chatter from Cook after the game that there would be rotations in the next test, I think there's a strong chance we'll see one or two changes depending on the pitch.
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Yes! In that case,
Cook, Hameed, Rooooot, Duckett, Ali, Stokes,
Bairstow, Woakes, Anzari, Broad, Ball? :)
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exactly right there, NZ got the rough end of the toss every time.Very unlucky they are a far better side than the scoreline ended up in that series
I saw highlights of one of the test matches - 1st or 2nd, don't remember which one - and it looked like NZ batted very timidly, lot of soft dismissals. I cannot say that it was lack of skills or foreign conditions but the psychologically weak effort by them.
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Yes but who for rotation? :)
Nick knight (muppet) thinks ballance could make way but instead of then playing four spinners Butler comes in the middle order.
Athers says today four spinners is quite possible in the next match.
We want to win this series but must have one eye on India. From what I have seen of Ansari he looks totally average, just my opinion .....but India have a lot of right handers and like a few on here is it best to play him now to see if he could fit against India?
I do think the selectors got it slightly wrong , hameed is an opener and should open, Duckett at 4. That way as ballance was already under pressure from last summer if he is dropped ansari could bat middle order and be a spin option.
If we wanted another batter and the three spinners Butler could slot in instead of ballance.
We are going to need Rashid I think going forward and batty to keep it tight under pressure.
Ali is a shoe in....
Bayliss is loyal and (I think) will want one more test for ballance. He's clearly a good player but is short of runs.
I suspect there might be some forum members thinking ansari could play instead of Rashid?
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Erm, Duckett is also an opener?
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Duckett does open and bats 4 as well.
Hameed is an opener..
I must be missing something on the forum as others have suggested hameed 4 duckett 2.
Perhaps my brain is frazzled.if hameed is to play he should bat where he does for lancashire..
As much as i like Cook we are looking for an anti cook to open- hales,duckett,lyth?
I cant see how we would play a youngster out of position?
Am i going mad?
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still too much matiness going on in the squad. You're not rested ...its dropped.. places are taken for granted otherwise. Its England not a premiership football squad. Best 11 in and everyone out and fights for a shirt. Cook is a terrible captain and is apt to stick with 'mates' rather than performances. Balance hasn't justified selection never mind performance. They will nee Hameed sooner or later so play him!
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Duckett does open and bats 4 as well.
Hameed is an opener..
I must be missing something on the forum as others have suggested hameed 4 duckett 2.
Perhaps my brain is frazzled.if hameed is to play he should bat where he does for lancashire..
As much as i like Cook we are looking for an anti cook to open- hales,duckett,lyth?
I cant see how we would play a youngster out of position?
Who does Duckett bat at 4 for?
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It doesn't matter where Duckett bats (and I'm sure I've seen him bat at 3 for Northants in the past, although I could be mistaken!), his type of game looks well suited to bloomin' well getting on with it anywhere in the top 5 to me.
India do have some decent seamers, and they will get a run out early doors, so decent openers are a must. From what I've heard about Hameed, he's more of a steady type, so surely it makes sense to have him opening and not trying to change his game, whereas Duckett's slightly more gung-ho attitude will work just as well at 4?
we know what Balance can do, get both the 2 youngsters in 2nd test to see what they can do.
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I think Broad will be 'rested' for the next game with Ball replacing him. Balance has to go, I'm not fussed who comes in for him. Balance just doesn't look like he has a scoring option at the moment. I can't really see us bringing in a fourth spinner although they could drop Broad and just use Stokes and Woakes as the seamers.
I fear for us in India :(
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Here's a crazy idea - try Ansari for Moeen in the next test. Mo hasn't been rested recently, and it's like for like as a batter / bowler.
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Yes! In that case,
Cook, Hameed, Rooooot, Duckett, Ali, Stokes,
Bairstow, Woakes, Anzari, Broad, Ball? :)
I did mean Batty and not Ball, although I would like to see Ball get a game as he looked in excellent nick!
Bayliss did mention (hint) as bowlers getting a rest to ensure that the busy schedule doesn't knacker them out in hot conditions!
With that I hope he means that Ball will get a game or two. And as Ansari needs to get a few games bowling to the right handers!!!
Worryingly Bayliss didn't mention the batting! If he doesn't make the change with batters then I really will question his brain!
Sods law is that he will play Ballance who will hit a double ton!
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that's a good shout to be fair. looks like we are 'resting' players in the next match. Ali will be in tests and one dayers.
Ansari is a straight swap, as is Ball for Broad. Agree with JT above, I like Balance, but there's only so long you can stay in the side without a contribution
Balance has been in longer than I was in my club side when I got AXED !! :(
I have a feeling England won't play Hameed(and put Duckett 4) but I really hope they do......
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people are saying rest Broad but i honestly don't see why - he didn't play in the 1 dayers and only bowled 23 overs in the whole match.
surely if you want to rest a seamer you rest Woakes who played in all formats all summer and in the one dayers.
I really hope that Ansari and Hameed also get a run out but i don't think they will!
my side -
Cook
Hameed - in for Ballance
Root
Duckett - moved to 4
Mo
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari - in for Batty - this is purely rotation because you know what you get from Batty so there is no real need for him to play in the 2nd test
Rashid - he needs overs and to see if he is good enough
Broad
Ball - in for Woakes
This way you basically get a look at Hameed and Ansari and Woakes get a rest.
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people are saying rest Broad but i honestly don't see why - he didn't play in the 1 dayers and only bowled 23 overs in the whole match.
surely if you want to rest a seamer you rest Woakes who played in all formats all summer and in the one dayers.
I really hope that Ansari and Hameed also get a run out but i don't think they will!
my side -
Cook
Hameed - in for Ballance
Root
Duckett - moved to 4
Mo
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari - in for Batty - this is purely rotation because you know what you get from Batty so there is no real need for him to play in the 2nd test
Rashid - he needs overs and to see if he is good enough
Broad
Ball - in for Woakes
This way you basically get a look at Hameed and Ansari and Woakes get a rest.
Good side six and out....
I think the reason Broad is being mentioned is because Anderson is out of the 1st test in India and they don't know if he will play the second, so Broad could have a tough winter without Anderson.
I think also....Jimmy is getting injuries and they can't be sure he will play a full part in India.
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Anderson def out of the first india test and a doubt for the second.
Hales not picked in the test squad as expected.
I guess he will be a one day player now so either duckett or hameed has a real opportunity to cement a place
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Wouldn't be surprised if Anderson doesn't play at all in India tbh, especially as he's been left out of the squad now. Hope the temptation to rush him back is resisted as we need him fully firing when he does play these days.
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I think Andersons is going to become like most club players home only .
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I think Andersons is going to become like most club players home only .
So he can get off his nut on booze after the game? Good lad! ;)
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Try telling Anderson that.
Was already a taxing enough tour, not having Anderson for possibly three tests makes it even harder.
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The Times is reporting today that Ballance is confirmed in for the next test, with Broad and Woakes likely to be rested for Finn and Ball.
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Zafar has been selected and Rashid dropped.
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The Times is reporting today that Ballance is confirmed in for the next test, with Broad and Woakes likely to be rested for Finn and Ball.
he needs a score Balance
and I hope he gets one :)
they must want someone to stick around in the middle. lots of our guys 'get on with it '
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Yes Zafar!
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TMS posted a picture of the track earlier... Looks just a little bit dry!
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That looks a crackin' wicket for day 1!
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I wouldn't like to face you on that especially with that nasty quicker one you have.
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Might have a few quid on this being over inside 3 days.
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The Times is reporting today that Ballance is confirmed in for the next test, with Broad and Woakes likely to be rested for Finn and Ball.
Having watched the 1st test Woakes needs to be dropped he didn't get any wickets and unlike the other seamers never looked like getting any
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yep a lot of the papers reporting that it will only be bowlers 'rotation' - Finn for Broad, Ball for Woakes and then Ansari for Batty.
I think that then becomes a straight shoot out between Ansari and Rashid for the place in the 1st test in India.
Must say i am a bit disappointed that Hameed isn't getting a go.
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I read on twitter Rashid would be dropped for Ansari, If true I reckon Yorkshire fans will go into meltdown for missing the final game of the season to rest
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Lawrence Booth tweeted this morning that Ansari was getting lots of pats on the back after the squad huddle today suggesting his debut is imminent. He's also been told Broad is definitely rested.
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there's a few on here who think Rashid may be better as a one day player.
I think we need to preserve with him but on this tour with batty and Ali spin options with more control is what Cook will want....
Ansari is away from the right handers so it's like for like....
England obviously rate Ansari highly, he's going to play so hope he does well.
Rashid does tens to get wickets more when batters attack him, bit different in tests......
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I read on twitter Rashid would be dropped for Ansari, If true I reckon Yorkshire fans will go into meltdown for missing the final game of the season to rest
1. Rashid bowled a hatful of pies in Chittagong. 2. He missed the Yorkshire game because he wanted a rest had to deal with a family illness.
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Having watched the 1st test Woakes needs to be dropped he didn't get any wickets and unlike the other seamers never looked like getting any
Zzzzz... Did Chris Woakes once let the tyres down on your car or something?
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1. Rashid bowled a hatful of pies in Chittagong. 2. He missed the Yorkshire game because he wanted a rest had to deal with a family illness.
Rashid needs games to improve and get to a point where he is, or is not, really rated as an international player. He needs to play vs Bangladesh and against India to give him the opportunity to show his talent and whether he can be a long term addition to the England team.
Take Bairstow, for instance, he was in and out of the team for ages before this current run showed how good he can be.
The only way they replace Rashid for Ansari is if he is dropped. Rested just doesn't cut it for me.
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What suggests Rashid is any better than he was when being clubbed around the UAE? Or going to get better?
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How do we know Rashid didn't ask to be rested for the second test?
It wouldn't be the first time...
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one of the main problems with Rashid is that Cook simply doesn't trust him.
he ends up having to bowl with these dodgy in/out fields that good players of spin just milk him for runs, so he can't build up any pressure and are putting away any bad balls that then come on top of that
Cook has to go 1 way or the other, either you give Rashid men round the bat/close catchers and mid off/on up and say to him go on then here's your attacking field you bowl to it - then if he isn't good enough to do it you take him off and ultimately drop him and give someone else ago.
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one of the main problems with Rashid is that Cook simply doesn't trust him.
he ends up having to bowl with these dodgy in/out fields that good players of spin just milk him for runs, so he can't build up any pressure and are putting away any bad balls that then come on top of that
Cook has to go 1 way or the other, either you give Rashid men round the bat/close catchers and mid off/on up and say to him go on then here's your attacking field you bowl to it - then if he isn't good enough to do it you take him off and ultimately drop him and give someone else ago.
to be be fair..I think,,,or at least I thought...that's why England picked Batty because Rashid and Ali(bowled well thou in the last test) leak runs....
totally agree Rashid you have to play as an attacking spinner or not at all.
I don't think Test wise he will last, one dayers yes....
Cook has got better skippering but your right...it doesn't appear he rates Rashid, or does not trust him....
I cant help thinking somewhere in the England set up there is a nagging doubt about Rashid that has not gone away. Could be totally off the mark thou :)
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I personally don't rate Rashid at all to be honest.
Tuffers made a very good point on 'Tuffers & Vaughan' the other day:
What is an attacking spinner? You don't have an 'attacking seamer' do you? Attacking spinner is just a term for someone who lands the odd wonder ball, but bowls a heap of dross the rest of the time...
A good spinner (Ashwin, Herath, Yasir et al) is able to bowl tight enough to have attacking fields set, and bowl consistently enough to make the Batsmen do something different, other than just block, and wait for the inevitable scoring opportunity. If you had a seamer that bowled 1 wonder ball an over, but the rest of them half volleys, drag downs & full tosses, you'd drop him. So I don't see why a spinner is any different.
Michael Vaughan threw out there playing 4 seamers, on the basis that, even on the absolute raging turner in Chittagong, our seamers were the best bowlers. Now he does talk some utter nonsense, but I can see the logic in that point.
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Why would picking four seamers and running them into the ground make sense? The last time England did that in Bangladesh it meant Swann bowled himself into a chronic elbow injury http://www.espncricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/match/426423.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/match/426423.html)
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Zzzzz... Did Chris Woakes once let the tyres down on your car or something?
You have to bowl guys who can get you 20 wickets Captain Cook in the 1st test only bowled Woakes For 14 overs in the entire match wonder why..
Oh and I can't afford a car.....
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I personally don't rate Rashid at all to be honest.
Tuffers made a very good point on 'Tuffers & Vaughan' the other day:
What is an attacking spinner? You don't have an 'attacking seamer' do you? Attacking spinner is just a term for someone who lands the odd wonder ball, but bowls a heap of dross the rest of the time...
A good spinner (Ashwin, Herath, Yasir et al) is able to bowl tight enough to have attacking fields set, and bowl consistently enough to make the Batsmen do something different, other than just block, and wait for the inevitable scoring opportunity. If you had a seamer that bowled 1 wonder ball an over, but the rest of them half volleys, drag downs & full tosses, you'd drop him. So I don't see why a spinner is any different.
Michael Vaughan threw out there playing 4 seamers, on the basis that, even on the absolute raging turner in Chittagong, our seamers were the best bowlers. Now he does talk some utter nonsense, but I can see the logic in that point.
I would said it is harder to define an attacking spinner, but i can tell you what a non attacking spinner is. Someone like Tredwell. Steady, solid, reliable, but not a wicket taker. Ashley Giles was maybe another.
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Why would picking four seamers and running them into the ground make sense? The last time England did that in Bangladesh it meant Swann bowled himself into a chronic elbow injury [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/match/426423.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/engine/match/426423.html[/url])
In fairness, there were only 3 seamers & 1 spinner there, but you do make a fair point, it was just an observation. If the best bowlers (and those most trusted by the skipper), even on this raging turner, are seamers. Then why wouldn't you play the best bowlers?
In the same sense that when Sri Lanka came to England, Herath was still be their best bowler, and easily the most effective, even on green seaming pitches. You wouldn't have dropped him before the tour, just for being a spinner would you?
The solution is for England to not have such poor spinners, but unfortunately we're not in the situation to rectify that at this precise moment, so maybe playing an extra seamer is the solution at the moment? You'd still have 2 spinners, and there would still be 6 bowlers, so 15 overs a day, each. Which isn't overbowling them. Fred Trueman used to bowl 100 overs a day, up hill, into the wind! :D
It's just an interesting discussion point I think, more than anything.
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I think that there is merit in picking the best players, but the squad is there to win, and they should by definition be the best players. So it's a case of picking the best team to give you a chance of winning in the conditions. If that means spinners, pick spinners, and so on.
To pick up your Sri Lanka point, Sri Lanka did then change their makeup as soon as they got home to play Australia. They picked quicks, however limited for England, because picking more than one spinner would have been totally off piste. It works both ways.
Stokes, Woakes, Finn is a good seam attack, and shows the value of the allrounders. There is then space to utilise spinners who may not be world beaters but did enough to win a tight Test match. You could also argue that the top 4 were the reason it was so close, not the bowlers.
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I don't see the problem with 3 spinners and 3 seamers in Bangladesh, I think it covers everything, and we're lucky to be in a position to squeeze this out of the current XI - it's just a case of getting the best 6 options to fit those 6 spaces.
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I don't see the problem with 3 spinners and 3 seamers in Bangladesh, I think it covers everything, and we're lucky to be in a position to squeeze this out of the current XI - it's just a case of getting the best 6 options to fit those 6 spaces.
I agree 3 and 3 is the way forward it just needs to be the right 3 spinners - we are very lucky to be in a situation to have 2/3 genuine allrounders in the XI which allows us to do it.
i think we have more of an issue of getting runs on the board from the top 4/5
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your both spot on..... it's the quality of the spinners, 3 and 3 split should be ok both this week and for India
it's funny how most of the places get discussed are bowlers, we(England) always do it...
In fact as you have mentioned we need runs from the top 5......
root and cook have carried us for ages, and Bairstow.
we need runs from Balance this game. He's a good player. let's be honest he's is lucky to be on tour in the first place. last chance I reckon.......
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And Moeen. Root, Cook, Bairstow and Moeen.
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I fail to see how balance is anywhere near the test team, the selectors and management see something I don't.
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I fail to see how balance is anywhere near the test team, the selectors and management see something I don't.
I think the selectors like his grittyness a player who will battle when there's no easy runs
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And a player who'll really knuckle down and bat that gritty innings... Even when there are easy runs!
GB is actually a friend of a friend. There's definitely a group of people who believe he's a real talent. Personally i don't see it.
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And a player who'll really knuckle down and bat that gritty innings... Even when there are easy runs!
GB is actually a friend of a friend. There's definitely a group of people who believe he's a real talent. Personally i don't see it.
Hmmm..he's highly rated by England clearly.
As long as he has an england shirt on ill be cheering him on.he wouldnt be in my team currently.
Out of intetest who would you bat in that position?
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I'd have started the series with Hameed opening and Duckett at 4. Can't see them moving Duckett now though.
Alternatively I'd have moved YJB to 4 and have Buttler keeping.
Again... They won't make that kind of change now though.
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Duckett at 4 or 5 for me with Bairstow filling either spot. I'd have also kept with buttler. England need Bairtows runs and asking him to keep in that heat and standing up for 90% of the innings then go and score a hundred is a big ask. Buttler is a good player of spin and is unlikely to get balls seaming around off stump in this or the India series.
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Thank God none of you are selectors
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i'd have hameed opening, duckett 4 and Butler in the team too...
praise the Lord !!! :) :)
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Thank God none of you are selectors
Just thinking back to a few previous threads... Some of the forum "selection committee" would have sacked Cook & Root years ago for a few low scores, would still have Lyth opening and probably have re-appointed KP as skipper. Yikes!
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Just thinking back to a few previous threads... Some of the forum "selection committee" would have sacked Cook & Root years ago for a few low scores, would still have Lyth opening and probably have re-appointed KP as skipper. Yikes!
i'd have you and Woody 'spin' in the same team playing for England just to watch you go at each other in the nets.
take that !!!!!
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Looks as though it is likely to be....
Cook
Duckett
Root
Ballance
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Ansari
Batty
Finn
Not what I would choose but hey-ho!!
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Batty dropped for Ansari and Broad rested for Finn
The selectors really are clueless at times IMO
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37785122 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37785122)
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Hmmmm, I don't have a problem with Ansari, I really hope he goes well.
I think Ball is very unlucky not to get a game instead of Finn - I don't think this sends the right message out to the man, and I donlt think Finn has been his old self for some time.
I would also like to have seen Hameed get a run out.
As usual with my predictions, I hope this ensures that Finn gets a 7-fer!
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Didn't realise that it was Batty dropped for Ansari! I agree that Batty would need a rest IF they are planning on playing him in some of the Indian Tests. And if Rashid is unikely to figure in the Indian Tests then maybe they have given him this last Bangladesh Test before "resting" him? That's the only thing I can think of that actually makes sense?
They are resting Broad for Finn - I would have rested Broad for Ball myself. Although they know that Ball can perform so maybe they are testing Finn in this 2nd Test to see if he can perform?
Surely this HAS to be be the absolute last chance for Ballance?
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"Chris woakes needs another run out"
Usual pr nonsense after his excellent summer. Elongates the batting too after the top order fold.
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Bairstow
Stokes
Ansari
Rashid
Ball
Finn.
Rotation, new blood, balance, and those who have been on Happy hour in the last chance saloon for too long quickly axed.
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Resting Batty is lost on me! What's the point in taking him?! At 39 and just been called back in to the test squad, the last thing he needs is a rest, if anything he needs to bowl more to be ready for India. If anyone needs a rest I'd say it's moeen. And did Broad really bowl enough overs to need a rest ?
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My choice would be below and rotate 10 and 11 depending on how they are performing.
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Ansari
Batty/Rashid
Ball/Broad
Evidently Anderson is starting to bowl indoors in England now so is almost recovered fully - No wonder they are giving plenty of time for Jimmy to get fully fit again as it would just add to more selection headaches when he is 100% again!
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Resting Batty is lost on me! What's the point in taking him?! At 39 and just been called back in to the test squad, the last thing he needs is a rest, if anything he needs to bowl more to be ready for India. If anyone needs a rest I'd say it's moeen. And did Broad really bowl enough overs to need a rest ?
yep Mo has played all formats all summer. I think England want Ansari to play in India and don't want Rashid...so...Batty is going to play with Mo and Ansari(providing he does not have a shocker) in India...
Mo would be the one to rest this match....
agree with other Ball is unlucky not to get a game, watched him bowl live and he's very useful.....
I think Enlgand for whatever reason are not going to play Rashid in India
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Mo isn't resting because he needs more experience batting at 5 in a test match and to keep the team settled.
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Resting Batty is lost on me! What's the point in taking him?! At 39 and just been called back in to the test squad, the last thing he needs is a rest, if anything he needs to bowl more to be ready for India. If anyone needs a rest I'd say it's moeen. And did Broad really bowl enough overs to need a rest ?
"rest" Batty now, knowing he'll be back in for the next test vs India.
Straight shoot out between Rashid and Ansari for the third spinner spot. Whoever performs best here will probably get it.
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Mike Atherton made an interesting point in the Times today to the effect that on pitches spinning as much as these are, the leg spinner can be counterproductive because the amount of turn they can get is so great that they are unlikely to get a wicket with their good balls. I agree that the England management remain unconvinced by Rashid - no idea why given he is light years better than anyone else they have taken. First IMF Ansari turns one, expect Jack Leach to die a little on the inside!
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"rest" Batty now, knowing he'll be back in for the next test vs India.
Straight shoot out between Rashid and Ansari for the third spinner spot. Whoever performs best here will probably get it.
Experience suggest you may be right, but they have to be considering Ansari for batty in India, if only because of the lack of lefties.
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I agree that the England management remain unconvinced by Rashid - no idea why given he is light years better than anyone else they have taken.
Now that is taking Yorkshire bias to a whole new level! You know there is land beyond Sheffield right? :D
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Urgh not happy with Finn over Ball, have the selectors not been watching Finn for the past 4/5 years? Thought Ball was very impressive in the ODI series.
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For me the whole rotation thing has more holes than my grans tea strainer. Moeen and stokes play more cricket than anyone don't get a sniff of a rest. Pick your best team to win the next match, this is the England Cricket team not x factor. Batty was the best spinner in the last match and gets dropped, Ballance can't buy a run or stick around (that seems to be his sole purpose) and remains, Broad has played less cricket than any other seamer and is rested. If you want to play Ansari drop someone but don't rest you best spinner to get him in the team!
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Now that is taking Yorkshire bias to a whole new level! You know there is land beyond Sheffield right? :D
Errr, as I've lived in London the last fifteen years...
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I can understand "resting" Rashid. What I don't understand is taking him in the first place!
If Ansari bowls well I suspect Rashid will be carrying the drinks in India, but anyone who follows cricket could have told you before this tour that he wasn't a Test quality leg spinner...
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Looks proper gloomy
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Chris Woakes is good
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Oosh, one down. Woakes started well here, looks a little more in this track already.
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Woken up to see ansari has taken some tap (6 overs 0-36). Assume bangladesh have attacked him or has bowled badly?
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Bit more pace in the pitch, less spin so far.
Looks a good toss to win
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I can understand "resting" Rashid. What I don't understand is taking him in the first place!
If Ansari bowls well I suspect Rashid will be carrying the drinks in India, but anyone who follows cricket could have told you before this tour that he wasn't a Test quality leg spinner...
Who ever is test quality before they play regular test cricket? Very few, only real quality players.
Most take their time getting up to that level. They need games and experience.
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Love the fact stokes doing his interview has stick NB over the remfry logo on front thigh pad but forgot the back one
#village
Also I think he needs some new thigh pads they look mouldy to beep
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Woken up to see ansari has taken some tap (6 overs 0-36). Assume bangladesh have attacked him or has bowled badly?
They went straight after him, first over I saw him bowl went for around 12. Tamim wouldn't let him settle, showed in his bowling with a lot of full balls and a couple of full toss'
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Going at 4.18 in a test match! some members won't be happy!
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Thought Ansari bowled pretty well other than chucking a full toss down at the start of most overs, certainly started well but Tamim did go after him.
Rashid's looked good since the lunch break, less variations and more consistent leggies. Good turn and looks a lot harder to face. If he keeps bowling this way and builds the pressure rather than the oneday method where he whirls through the variations I think there's a test bowler in there, just needs to learn to work for his wickets a little more at the higher level.
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Love the fact stokes doing his interview has stick NB over the remfry logo on front thigh pad but forgot the back one
#village
Also I think he needs some new thigh pads they look mouldy to beep
I noticed that with Joe Root the other day too. Unless there's a New Balance Legend thigh guard... Agreed with Stokes' pads, they need a good scrub! Looks like he's added some reinforcement to it too.
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Well that was a gift from tamim!
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This is playing out exactly like I expected to; Bangladesh go really well then offer a generous collapse.
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4 down now. See my post above.
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In the "spin friendly" conditions of Bangladesh, Ben Stokes has been England's best bowler.
Is he just that good, or are our "spinners" showing their deficiencies?
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Ouch. Looks like a horrible hit to the head there
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FEAR THE BEARD
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5 down now.. superb catch by cook.
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Gosh! This is a handy collapse - they were 170-1 weren't they?
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Sounds like Stokes really rattled him there, earned Mo a 3rd wicket.
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Gosh! This is a handy collapse - they were 170-1 weren't they?
They're like a mini South Africa
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Stokesy <3
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Turned on to see Tamim go... turned off at tea... don't see what the problem is and how Bangladesh have got this far, were England just poor this morning or did tamim and mominul play really well?
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7 down. Sounds like we'll be in before the end of the day...
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Hom obviously batting with a cocktail sausage!
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8 down. Mo on fire. Definitely batting tonight I reckon
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Try getting the ball off Mo now, he'll be clinging on for dear life, best he's bowled for aaaaages.
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9 down
Lord almighty we were getting mullered when I work up to watch
best game ever test cricket, you dunno what will happen
anyone else reckon they got the hairdryer from Bayliss
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Moeen 4-52 off 18 (at the time of posting)
Less than 3 RPO and picking up regular wickets, everyone still think he should be dropped because he "can't bowl"?
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Can't believe we didn't drop Woakes, he just can't take wic... Oh, he's got another one.
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Can't believe we didn't drop Woakes, he just can't take wic... Oh, he's got another one.
@Seniorplayer ;)
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Don't get me wrong this is an amazing comeback but it does worry me that it is the usual suspects that have done it and picked up the wickets.
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5 wickets for Mo now
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MOEEN FIFER KLAXON
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Michelle for Moeen, not bad for a bloke who shouldn't be in as a front line spinner...
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This should be interesting how we get on. Looks gloomy with the lights already on. Bangladesh only have 1 seamer so it's definitely spin from the start!
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have the wicket suddenly started spinning like a DJ ? it wasn't moving off straight this morning
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Some sharp turn but some fairly loose shots as well
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Duckett gone to a nothing shot again
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This Duckett guy is rubbish, who picked him!!!!!
;)
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14-2. Then again, I'm not surprised...
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as long as I have a whole in my bottom Duckett should be 4. he wants to play shots and now caught in between, exactly the same as Hales.
Gordon Bennett !!!!!
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right Gaz......
dig in son dig in
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as long as I have a whole in my bottom Duckett should be 4. he wants to play shots and now caught in between, exactly the same as Hales.
Gordon Bennett !!!!!
Yeah agree about duckett 4 or don't play him. A world of pressure on Ballance here.
Another point is that was another excellent review by bangladesh that cook lbw really looked to be going down leg.
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these DRS reviews have stopped this series being a total lottery
darmasena to be fair has had a total shocker
it must be a terrible feeling, get 2 or 3 wrong then doubt yourself and end up getting them all wrong....
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as long as I have a whole in my bottom Duckett should be 4. he wants to play shots and now caught in between, exactly the same as Hales.
Gordon Bennett !!!!!
What have you got a whole one of in your bottom??
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Ballance gone but to be fair can't do much when it's got your name on it like that!
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Ballance needs to go back to Yorkshire and work on his technique, but he already did that
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What have you got a whole one of in your bottom??
one of the balls is still stuck there from Sundays net.....
when Northern hits them they stay hit!! haha
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Thank God for rain, the dependable 12th man
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Thank God for rain, the dependable 12th man
that's come at the right time :)
sounds like Balance got a good one to be fair. it's a tough game when youre not spending enough time at the wicket.
we are either going with Balance in India at 4 and continue, or have someone new bat in that position, Duckett or Hameed.
Or I suppose, shuffle the batting order and get Butler in......
it's a bit of a dogs breakfast.
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Ballance must be due a rest.
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I think a few people may have mentioned Cook, Hameed, Root, Duckett, etc order - I'm sure I saw that written somewhere!
Got to find the batting order that looks right as this order doesn't! The middle order looks good but they need a rethink and need it now!!
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I think a few people may have mentioned Cook, Hameed, Root, Duckett, etc order - I'm sure I saw that written somewhere!
Got to find the batting order that looks right as this order doesn't! The middle order looks good but they need a rethink and need it now!!
that's got it be the right order surely ! :)
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Best time to bat seems to be with the new ball. Woakes and Finn where poor with the new ball and allowed Tamim to get off to a flyer. Once the ball got older it became harder to score. If Tamim was Indian/Sri Lankan he'd get hyped to the moon and back but this boy is truly world class. Different league to all the other Bangladeshi batsmen by a mile. I've never seen Monimal before this series but he looks a fine young batsman, his record isn't to be sniffed at either.
Steven Finn what's happened to him. All attributes to become a legend yet he's bowling like a drain. Moeen Ali got 5 wickets and he bowled decently for the first time in a long time but its alarming how much turn there was on day 1 of a Test. Rashid was awful yet again. Ansari seemed a little nervous and Tamim walloped him. No shame in that on debut.
Need to get a lead of 100 odd to close Bangladesh out of the series.
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Best time to bat seems to be with the new ball. Woakes and Finn where poor with the new ball and allowed Tamim to get off to a flyer. Once the ball got older it became harder to score. If Tamim was Indian/Sri Lankan he'd get hyped to the moon and back but this boy is truly world class. Different league to all the other Bangladeshi batsmen by a mile. I've never seen Monimal before this series but he looks a fine young batsman, his record isn't to be sniffed at either.
Steven Finn what's happened to him. All attributes to become a legend yet he's bowling like a drain. Moeen Ali got 5 wickets and he bowled decently for the first time in a long time but its alarming how much turn there was on day 1 of a Test. Rashid was awful yet again. Ansari seemed a little nervous and Tamim walloped him. No shame in that on debut.
Need to get a lead of 100 odd to close Bangladesh out of the series.
we wont get a lead here Felix...it might be better to bat in the morning maybe but our batting order needs sorting out, if we get level I reckon we done ok
Simon Hughes on BBC (dont know how many of you know but at Youth level cricket Simon Hughes was genuinely quick) ended up med pace seam bowler for Middx- said the pitch is not suitable for Test cricket...
spot on about Finn, I saw him bowl live and the pace was not there, in the same match Jake Ball sent it down pretty sharp. Find it hard to believe Ball did not get picked ahead of Finn
it does smack a bit of favourities..Finn has not bowled well for a year.
England need Batty don't we? He must be in to give some control and help the spinners.. looks like a good selection.
I'm gonna guess Batty for all 5 tests so they are resting him now?
what does everyone else think.... :)
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I think there's the Stokes factor still to come. He's had Bangladesh's number thus far on this tour. Any lead will be vital. I'm confused why Batty was dropped. Rashid doesn't offer any control and in a potentially low scoring match I'd take Batty'a control over Rashid's all sorts
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I think there's the Stokes factor still to come. He's had Bangladesh's number thus far on this tour. Any lead will be vital. I'm confused why Batty was dropped. Rashid doesn't offer any control and in a potentially low scoring match I'd take Batty'a control over Rashid's all sorts
Remember that although this is a test match, in reality its a warm up for India. They know what they are getting with Batty so have decided to have a look at someone else to give themselves as many options as possible i would think.
Batty is nailed on to start the first game in India if you ask me.
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Blatantly playing both Rashid and Ansari so they can decide which is used in India, Batty will just be sitting out so they can both play together.
Hopefully the India series will look a little like this:
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Mo
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari
Woakes
Broad
Batty
Still think they've missed a trick not playing Hameed in these first 2 tests though - Ballance has looked hopeless (again...)
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Remember that although this is a test match, in reality its a warm up for India. They know what they are getting with Batty so have decided to have a look at someone else to give themselves as many options as possible i would think.
Batty is nailed on to start the first game in India if you ask me.
I'd hope Batty is a certain starter...but you never know with England...
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I think there's the Stokes factor still to come. He's had Bangladesh's number thus far on this tour. Any lead will be vital. I'm confused why Batty was dropped. Rashid doesn't offer any control and in a potentially low scoring match I'd take Batty'a control over Rashid's all sorts
I think they rested Batty because he will play in India.
Thus giving Ansari a bit of experience and then you have something to compare between Rashid and Ansari for that third spinners spot behind Moeen and Batty.
I wouldn't have been all surprised if this was the plan, give each spinner a go to see who clicks first.
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Woakes was gifted 2 of the luckiest wickets we shall ever see at test level by bowling halfway down the pitch if he balls like that to the Indian top order England will get hammered
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Woakes was gifted 2 of the luckiest wickets we shall ever see at test level by bowling halfway down the pitch if he balls like that to the Indian top order England will get hammered
They might gift him a few more "lucky wickets"
Did Chris Woakes blank you when you asked him for a selfie or something? ???
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Woakes was gifted 2 of the luckiest wickets we shall ever see at test level by bowling halfway down the pitch if he balls like that to the Indian top order England will get hammered
Seriously did he bed your wife?
Either way it's a snooze fest. Dude was Our best bowler all year and your still after blood.
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Blatantly playing both Rashid and Ansari so they can decide which is used in India, Batty will just be sitting out so they can both play together.
Hopefully the India series will look a little like this:
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Mo
Stokes
Bairstow
Ansari
Woakes
Broad
Batty
Still think they've missed a trick not playing Hameed in these first 2 tests though - Ballance has looked hopeless (again...)
Yes - like this choice! I think that Ansari will settle given some more overs and offers left arm plus a decent bat.
Batty would offer some control and Ali is a sure thing now!
For me Ball or Broad depending on who is bowling wel, but Broad is one of their favourites so unlikely to play Ball. However, if they are thinking of resting Broad or another seamer for a Test in India, then I genuinely hope they will choose Ball over Finn!
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Seriously did he bed your wife?
Either way it's a snooze fest. Dude was Our best bowler all year and your still after blood.
W
Not blood only stating what I saw which was poor.
I think you need to take a look at the conditions overcast and greentops etc in England and the opposition he played against this summer Sri Lanka were poor and Pakistan weren't that great till the sun came out.
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They might gift him a few more "lucky wickets"
Did Chris Woakes blank you when you asked him for a selfie or something? ???
No cam I blanked him when he ask me for one.
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Various thoughts from today's play...
Ansari...I wanted to see what he had at the start of the series. Today has shown that he is nowhere near test class - his was the joint second worst first day in England colours of my life time (Kerrigan first - although they bowled an equal amount of pie, Kegsy had the bigger rep going in). I have already asked how he managed to get selected ahead of Jack Leach - on this performance, that question should extend to how he got selected ahead of Samit Patel, James Tredwell, Stephen Parry and the ghost of Ian Blackwell. The Surrey mafia will doubtless jump to his defence, but seriously, embarrassing.
The rest of England's bowling....well, we knew Finn was an odd choice, and Woakes has not yet quite worked out how to bowl on sub continent pitches, whilst Rashid was good but with no luck. Wor Sturkes was magnificent, and Ali came good late on.
Now can someone explain England's batting policy to me? As far as I can tell, they've blooded a 22 year old number 5 as an opener (please don't give me the "he opens for Northants" line - there is a massive difference between Division 2, where he scores big but also fails regularly, and test cricket in alien conditions), they have their best batsman at seven and a guy who was batting at eight ahead of him...wassat about?
The Bairstow issue is made even more insane by the fact that five of our top six are lefties, and there is a desperate need for balance. But not Gary Ballance...look, I like the lad, and he has the potential to be a decent test player. But, having been somewhat harshly dropped in 2015 the selectors seemed desperate to recall him as soon as he made a score, despite the fact that everyone watching Yorkshire could see that he was painfully out of form - indeed, we had two left handers in Lyth and Lees way more deserving of the call up. Even in good form - and I reiterate that I do think he is good enough even with a technique that some people question - this is not a situation for a grafter. As today showed, he'll survive until one has his name on it...but will be really acheive much in the meantime? For the same reason, Hameed is not the answer. Buttler, however, may be.
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Selecting 5 left handers in the top six against off spin shows poor judgement
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@Manormanic great post and I concur 100%....Ansari shouldn't be there , basically picked coz he can bowl a bit of spin and bat. Duckett should never open, exactly right opening in test is diff from smacking it around in div 2. And a final hooragghhhh for buttler , I've banged this drum more than we should play less mediocre spinners and more quality quicks....buttler is a genius and is being wasted by not being picked. He knows these conditions in side out having played in the ipl and can smack spin out the park. And finally Bairstow up the order, YES and let buttler keep, the top order needs bairstows runs.
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Ali came pretty good removing the two set players. Tamim is a beautiful player to watch.
@Buzz said earlier that Duncan Fletcher can be thanked for the current boon of high quality all round cricketers in the side.
Interesting how good England's catching has been, given how dreadful it was in the summer.
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I might let YJB keep the gloves, since Butler would be a horses for courses selection. I'd be inclined to set up with right and lefties split.
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Just seen the highlights and agree Englands fielding was top drawer, especially root and cook, I like duckett but to me he should be 4 and hammed opening, although I'd be happy to see butler back and johnny up the order instead of ballance, interesting what the stump mic picked up of Bairstow whilst they were 160-1, "come on lads 250 all out here 200 for 5, then 250 all out"
Guess it worked
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So glad others have said duckett 4...
Im no expert just to me he should be there,he is very talented hitter
And so right the guys how have posted div 2 to test level
The guy needs a proper chance,hameed should open duckett 4.he has serious talent..
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Ah the opening slot....
If he is in the side....which he should never be...then Ansari? If not, Mo.
Cook
Ali
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Batty
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Ok - looking at the RH / LH split etc, here is my effort FOR THE BEST XI to put out there right now (ie, first test in Ind)
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
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A few people have said about putting YJB in the top 5. I really think you need to give the guy a break, keeping in the subcontinent is draining on you and he will need a rest before batting. We have been 3 down for naff all in each innings.
He is doing very well with the gloves so far. Why put the extra pressure on him.
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Point - but surely bat him six rather than seven?
If you take out the dismissals slogging with the tail, he might average a hundred this year. It's a shame to waste talent like that.
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Ok - looking at the RH / LH split etc, here is my effort FOR THE BEST XI to put out there right now (ie, first test in Ind)
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad
Don't see Hameed getting a run-in in India unless injuries. No disrespect to Bangladesh, but this tour was planned as a glorified warm up to the India series. If they wanted to use Hameed in India, he'd have been given at least one game out here. Asking a lot from a 19 year old throwing him in on test debut away in India.
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Point - but surely bat him six rather than seven?
If you take out the dismissals slogging with the tail, he might average a hundred this year. It's a shame to waste talent like that.
I agree it is a shame but remember Stokes is batting at 6 and look at how he's batting at the moment!
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Here are today's highlights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrmtOp-9skA
Watching this back, Root and Stokes already have the 2017 New Balance kit, while Gary Balance is still using the 2016 stuff. Seems strange that International players in the same side, on the same tour, sponsored by the same company, aren't all given the new range(s) at the same time.
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Because two of them are good and one is not?
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Because two of them are good and one is not?
Good or nottz why "advertise" old stock on the international stage?
Thinking about it, doesn't pretty muck every other New Balance sponsored international player have the new range?
New sponsor for Gazza in 2017, maybe?
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Here are today's highlights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WrmtOp-9skA
Watching this back, Root and Stokes already have the 2017 New Balance kit, while Gary Balance is still using the 2016 stuff. Seems strange that International players in the same side, on the same tour, sponsored by the same company, aren't all given the new range(s) at the same time.
Speaking of which, I swear I saw that Trotty was using the original New Balance stickers this year, for at least a few games.
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Cmon the yorkshire boys!
The great thing about roooooot and YJB is they rotate the strike in amounst unplayable deliveries
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That was terrible batting from YJB. First ball of the spell and he's sitting on the back foot trying to whip it across the line.
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Yeah he was going so well but across the line was a bad shot
Ansari looks very nervous. We might as well play some shots rather than sitting and waiting
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Well this is going well
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Ravi now with an awful umpiring decision overturned by DRS
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He missed it by a good inch
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Thought it was odd to have a batting class with stokes about how he's improved against spin after one test match. And today he gets a duck ;). Should have waited till after the series, could easily bag a pair this match
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9th wicket partnership is the biggest in the innings #batdeep
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Woakes with another valuable contribution dont understand the doubters and well played rashid
These are vital runs
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England have the lead. Vital partnership...but pretty rubbish captaincy from Bangladesh
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How was that not out?
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Woakes has become a seriously good Test match cricketer over these last 12 months.
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Woakes has become a seriously good Test match cricketer over these last 12 months.
I'll second that, really upped his game. Its been good to watch him develop
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Jinxed him didn't I. Bugger.
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Would have been worse if they'd been trailing by 50 when you'd done it!! :D
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Terrific innings from Rashid, done his cause no harm at all
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Bowlers scoring runs usually is the sign they are about to get dropped.
Well played Rashid. Brilliant knock, but we need your bowling now.
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This is toilet from finn every run counts get woakes on!!!
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This is toilet from cook.
How many men out from the off in a test?
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Long off deep i cannot ever understand at the start
Let them try to hit it over not give one!!!
!!
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First 10 overs 56 runs, bit slow for an odi ;). Poor bowling
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By god we needed that!!
Ansari has bowled better this innings
Well done son!
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Collapse.exe has been run
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Stokes for President.
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By god we needed that!!
Ansari has bowled better this innings
Well done son!
Perhaps he's not as nervous? Being his debut.
#surreymafia
Yours,
A Gloucs fan
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Collapse.exe has been run
Have you tried turning it on and off again?
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Ravi now with an awful umpiring decision overturned by DRS
If that was poor what about the third umpires decision to call no ball the replay tredjectory line clearly showed the ball was below Woakes waist when it went on to bowl him
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He got "caught" at midwicket...
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If that was poor what about the third umpires decision to call no ball the replay tredjectory line clearly showed the ball was below Woakes waist when it went on to bowl him
Also very poor, much like the umpiring as a whole
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By god we needed that!!
Ansari has bowled better this innings
Well done son!
To be fair he has - he still looks a bit floaty light but he has at least landed it consistently without resorting to half trackers!
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To be fair a guy in his first test match is going to be nervous
I was watching this morning and ansari bowled better and more accurate.
Very short action he has but like Panesar who did well india the more accurate spinners do well.Monty was not a big turner of the ball..
On the whole thou our bowling was poor,too many loose deliveries after batting so well.
This game is gone and credit to bangladesh,they look good.
Steve finn should not be playing, he has not bowled well for ages.
On the plus side Ansari did look good
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Just read the article on cricinfo about root being unwell. Contained a pretty damning stat that he's the only one in the top 4 to score more than 20 in the series so far
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The lower order digging us out of a hole again.
In other news, it seems our batting depth has started making waves. Just seen that Jackson Bird has been dropped from the team to play SA because his batting isn't good enough. This has led to the selection of Joe Mennie. Perhaps even the Aussies have started worrying about batting down to 11.
"We've got to get runs at the bottom of the order," said selection chairman Rod Marsh.
Rod, they call them "Batsmen" for a reason! 1-7 are meant to put on 500. 8-11 are meant to bowl the oppo out for less than that!
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You're exactly right, it's flawed thinking. Once you think like that selection is screwed, I'm surprised the Aussies have got it so confused, for years they probably got it right more than any other team.
As far as England goes, we are lucky to have 2 or 3 quality all rounders, but that itself masks weak areas that only get shown up in foreign conditions or against better oppo. I'm fearful for the Indian tour to be honest.
We need , and others maybe bored of reading my posts, a proper opener to go with Cook. we have enough stroke players in the middle.
In Bangladesh it looks easier to bat against the old ball agreed, but we still need the batsmen to perform.
the spin dept we can't do a great deal with, the guys we have picked are good but a Swann a like is not around(at the moment).
Hameed is inexperienced but he can bat long periods, got his runs in Div 1 last year, and is technically sound.
I have a horrible feeling thou England are not going to play him at all thou this winter. Hope I'm wrong.
Duckett needs time to bed in and play his natural game-number 4 instead of Ballance.
another option is drop Ballance, move everyone up one and slot in Butler, who has not been part of the test team for a long time.
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As far as England goes, we are lucky to have 2 or 3 quality all rounders, but that itself masks weak areas that only get shown up in foreign conditions or against better oppo. I'm fearful for the Indian tour to be honest.
Hameed is inexperienced but he can bat long periods, got his runs in Div 1 last year, and is technically sound.
another option is drop Ballance, move everyone up one and slot in Butler, who has not been part of the test team for a long time.
Problem is, as I have said elsewhere, you cannot rely in these conditions upon survival skills. You need the ability to score whilst you are in - so Hameed and GB struggle.
Forced to pick one, I wonder actually if GB could open and let Duckett bat four. Its sits more naturally for me. Still don't think they have the selection right though, not at all.
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Bat Woakes at four.
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Cook
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes.
Rashid
Ali
Duckett
Ansari
Finn
Ballance
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Cook
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes.
Rashid
Ali
Duckett
Ansari
Finn
Ballance
Ashwin will be licking his chops seeing so many southpaws lining up against him...
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The bowling in Bangladesh's second innings was borderline embarrassing. Steven Finn has to go away and rediscover his passion for fast bowling. Chris Woakes doesn't have the skills of Stuart Broad and is very limited when it isn't hooping around corners in home conditions. Both front line fast bowlers sprayed it both sides of the wicket. Granted it won't swing in these conditions, but both should be able to bowl a 5th stump channel to try and stop the bleeding of boundaries.
But the biggest concern was how woeful Ali and Rashid where yet again. Yes Ali was five wickets in the first innings, but that was mainly poor shots rather than Ali actually getting the batsmen out. While damning on Rashid that Cook opted for Ansari(a rookie) before his leg spinner and eventually Rashid only got ago after all other options where exhausted.
Credit to Bangladesh that their batsmen climbed into the rubbish that was offered up. Tamim is so much like Sehwag, capable of total destruction.
Ansari was a lot better in his second innings and I think his steady slow left arm will be vital in India, but I don't think any of the 4 spinners available even get close to India's third spinner Mishra...
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They dont get near to our own 3 best spinners , shame none of them are playing.....2 of them aren't even in the tour !
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Bat Woakes at four.
This as to be a wind up...
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This as to be a wind up...
Probably but the mere notion of Woakes playing cricket seems to wind you up...
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Collapse.exe has been run
Now they've started it
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Ben stokes is about to spontaniously combust here
:)
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Please duckett get runs 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
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Someone needs to get a ton to anchor the innings. Also think if we can frustrate Bangladesh their heads will drop and their confidence will quickly dwindle
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I hope Duckett is thinking right I'm going to be positive here a and play a more natural game. If it's in his area he's got to go and commit.
The lad has a big England future I'm convinced of it.
There we go for a start!!! Brilliant shot over the infield
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And again
Come on Ben !! :)
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Looks like Duckett fancies the chase! All power to him, getting a few quickly and scattering the field a bit should make it a lot easier for us.
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Is the scorecard broken? I can see we've scored 41 runs, but lost no wickets...
Some shots from Benny boy, no messing about.
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i wonder if Keaton Jennings is watching this thinking how am I not on this tour
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An unusual suggestion should Duckett get out - Rashid plays spin as well as anyone in the England side, and usually scores quickly against it. Send him up the order?
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No, keep it as is
A 50 partnership from openers, pinch me
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Cruising this! What could go wrong
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Rashid batted excellent in the first innings but once you have an order you should stick to it...
We must continue to be positive.
Duckett has some nuts reverse sweeping against the spin. Keep going son.
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Duckett can open for as long as he likes, this is excellent attacking
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It's rubbing off on Cook he just hit a 4 haha :)
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This is promising! The GM stickers don't stand out as much as I thought they would, they look nice though.
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This is promising! The GM stickers don't stand out as much as I thought they would, they look nice though.
Agreed I think they are the best stickers GM have produced. ducketts bat looks quite wide too
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Keep going Duckett, hobbits at the top of the order all the way.
Like how he goes about batting, positive but sensible
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Nice fifty for Duckett. Under the pump to! Go on son.
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OPENING 100 PARTNERSHIP. SO BEAUTIFUL.
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Well batted. Like this a lot, not just that he's been aggressive but really smart with it, moving the field around and putting some pressure on the bowlers. 173 to win, are we believing yet CBF?!
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Well batted. Like this a lot, not just that he's been aggressive but really smart with it, moving the field around and putting some pressure on the bowlers. 173 to win, are we believing yet CBF?!
Ummmmmmm.... :)
It's a good start !!!
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Just seen a great shout on the BBC - 100 off 23 overs is quicker than we usually scored in ODIs up until about 18 months ago!
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Great to see Duckett scoring some runs, a well deserved call up. But wow, that shot was village!
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Root has gone here too.
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Who is running that collapse.exe app? Stop it now!!
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Dharmasena...used to be a decent umpire!
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Thank God for DRS, but that looked so close
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Wonder how vital that decision will be
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Did it? To me it was given on the appeal.
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Save us, Gary!
Said no-one ever. Time to save your career.
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The end of Gary?
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Please quit your job Gary.
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Gary Ballance is in an awful state at the moment. Think he needs to go back to county cricket and actually work on the flaws he has rather than plodding on if he wants to play international cricket
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I have absolutely no problem with Gary Ballance refusing to change his technique. As long as he has absolutely no problem with accepting it isn't good enough for test cricket. Ashwin and Jadeja would eat him alive, so it's probably just as well he's done...
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Surely England will now regret picking Ballance for these 2 games rather than getting Hammed some sub-continent experience.
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I just can't take this
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Good old England on the sub continent ;).
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Omg Kumar got one right!
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Ali back to 7 please. Maybe even 8....
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Surely England will now regret picking Ballance for these 2 games rather than getting Hammed some sub-continent experience.
Yup! And now he'll be thrown to the lions... the difference in logic between giving batsmen another chance and 'having a look' at different bowlers doesn't make any sense...
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That has to be ballances last test innings until he changes his technique
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Cook gone too, game over.
Bizarre to have so many left handers in the top 7.
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Good for cook to get some but if this lad is doing this what will ashwin do as this lad is no ashwin
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Oh bollox!
Game is surely Bangladesh's now :(
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In fairness, not sure what Ballance's technical flaws have to do with bunting a longhop straight up in the air! Old fashioned English collapse going on here, would you believe it we finally get a stand by the openers and then our middle order collapse.
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I don't know why we are getting down.
England's best player, senior players favourite man, chris woakes is yet to bat!
Best 4 players on this tour.
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Have got this......
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If stokes pulls this out of his ass I'll donate money to help Durham out
Bangladesh deserve this win though
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This is all over Jonny has gone
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Can we turn the swear filter off? Because this is an absolute sh1tshow
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Here's hoping ansari can pull off an agar
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Mehedi hasan.
Only I his second test at 19 and he's took 18 wickets already!! Seriously good start to the kids test career.
Be interesting to see how he goes out of Asia.
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Bat Woakes at 4
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Cook LHB
Hameed RHB
Root RHB
Duckett LHB
Ali LHB
Stokes LHB
Bairstow RHB
Woakes RHB
There you go - top 8 as they should be without Ballance and 4 Right handers and 4 left - ballanced without Balance so to speak!! ;)
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Or move Bairstow to 5 and Ali to 7 to give it even better mix and ballance?
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This Hameed must be some bloody player. Hands up who's seen him play?
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Looks promising, doesn't he? As painstaking end of season 17s go, it was pretty good going. http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO39868 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO39868)
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Stokes saved by his gloves!
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Whilst that one was hard I don't think Dharmasena will be umpiring for awhile
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Not sure that was even hitting, looked like it was missing off to me.
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Doesn't matter, he's gone now. The Samules salute!
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If you give it, you've got to take it.
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Gotta be honest, the salute cracked me up
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Doesn't matter, he's gone now. The Samules salute!
To me it does matter. The umpiring from darmesena is beyond poor and needs looking at.
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In fairness, not sure what Ballance's technical flaws have to do with bunting a longhop straight up in the air! Old fashioned English collapse going on here, would you believe it we finally get a stand by the openers and then our middle order collapse.
Simple cause and effect...
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Utter rubbish
Wouldn't be so bad if he was bowling like Shane Warne but this is simple batting going horribly horribly wrong
India will whitewash us
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Credit to Bangladesh thou they have played positive cricket.
We I reckon have more questions than answers
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Athers moaning about the pitch now...get over it. England's spinners bowled poorly on the same pitch and to be fair both sides have bowled poorly. The Pakistan or Indian spinners would be all over this.
Bangladesh win!
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Fitting that the series finishes on what looked like another dubious Dharmasena decision - outside the line?
A note on Woakes for @Seniorplayer: he finishes top of the batting averages, 3rd highest runscorer, and averaged 23 with the ball at an economy of 2.7. What a shocker he's had ;)
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Athers moaning about the pitch now...get over it. England's spinners bowled poorly on the same pitch and to be fair both sides have bowled poorly. The Pakistan or Indian spinners would be all over this.
Bangladesh win!
If you listen or read Atherton in the press he is the least biased Ex England player. He is always praising the underdog and has in this game, and he is not afraid to criticise England
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If you listen or read Atherton in the press he is the least biased Ex England player. He is always praising the underdog and has in this game, and he is not afraid to criticise England
But his last commentary stint was pretty pathetic.
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Credit to Bangladesh, who have the absolute right to prepare home pitches to suit their game. They bowled better and batted better and would have hammered us if not for the 99 run stand in England's first innings. As it happens they pretty much did anyway!
India will be a struggle and it makes you realise how good that 2012 side was that won in India. What we'd give for that top 5 and swann and panesar now. I think if that side had stokes as he is now it would have been world beaters...
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It could well spin as much in India and absolutely they prepare whatever pitch they want, we do it when we are at Home
Just a thought on the test team, if we play only 2 spinners because we only have two good enough and dropballan e we could get broad back in and play butler in the middle
just a thought ..
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It could well spin as much in India and absolutely they prepare whatever pitch they want, we do it when we are at Home
Just a thought on the test team, if we play only 2 spinners because we only have two good enough and dropballan e we could get broad back in and play butler in the middle
just a thought ..
Don't think they'll go with just two spinners but four is definitely overkill. I know there's been talk of moving Duckett to 4 to accomodate Hameed but that would be asking a lot of the two youngsters on what will be a difficult tour. Watching the Pakistan-Windies test now so just throwing an XI out there without thinking too much:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Bairstow
Moeen
Buttler (wk)
Stokes
Woakes
Ansari
Batty
Broad
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That looks a good side..the three spinners in are probably the best of the four.
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Is that kp dude still about?
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Tbh we can criticise England all we like and I think we all agree side selected want right however let's not forget Bangladesh without doubt derserves to win today! They've been the better side all game and tbh could have easily won this series 2-0!! Congratulations Bangladesh and England pick yourselves up betore India!!
For me I know it's a lot for two youngsters however this would be my xi after seeing this tour to Bangladesh
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Ansari
Broad
Batty
Yes it's been repeated over and over and yes we can all question hammeed but it takes some doing to get over 1000 cc runs especially at 18/19 years old!!
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Fitting that the series finishes on what looked like another dubious Dharmasena decision - outside the line?
A note on Woakes for @Seniorplayer: he finishes top of the batting averages, 3rd highest runscorer, and averaged 23 with the ball at an economy of 2.7. What a shocker he's had ;)
Thanks for the note but not a fan of any so called proper batsman who boost there averages with not outs anyone else notice how many times he got to the non strikers end 2nd or 3rd ball when batting with Finn
When batting with tail enders why not take as much of the strike you can.
It was also obviously poor captaincy by Cook during Banglas second innings to remove him from the attack after 2 overs and not bowl him again.
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^ I would only say that woakes did that as they were so far away from winning, there was arguably little point in protecting Finn. There's no way on that pitch with those bowlers you could go after them with a century stand for the final wicket. Nigh on impossible...
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Tbh we can criticise England all we like and I think we all agree side selected want right however let's not forget Bangladesh without doubt derserves to win today! They've been the better side all game and tbh could have easily won this series 2-0!! Congratulations Bangladesh and England pick yourselves up betore India!!
For me I know it's a lot for two youngsters however this would be my xi after seeing this tour to Bangladesh
Cook
Hammeed
Root
Duckett
Bairstow
Stokes
Ali
Woakes
Ansari
Broad
Batty
Yes it's been repeated over and over and yes we can all question hammeed but it takes some doing to get over 1000 cc runs especially at 18/19 years old!!
You've got Broad batting far too high
Thanks for the note but not a fan of any so called proper batsman who boost there averages with not outs anyone else notice how many times he got to the non strikers end 2nd or 3rd ball when batting with Finn
When batting with tail enders why not take as much of the strike you can.
It was also obviously poor captaincy by Cook during Banglas second innings to remove him from the attack after 2 overs and not bowl him again.
If it's good enough for Steve Waugh...
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Does anyone else think we are actually a batsman light in the squad? By this i mean are reserve batsman was always going to be an opener so therefore if we had top/middle order trouble then the order would have to switch etc..
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Does anyone else think we are actually a batsman light in the squad? By this i mean are reserve batsman was always going to be an opener so therefore if we had top/middle order trouble then the order would have to switch etc..
Hmmmm not really but I see your point. I thought we would play Hameed and Duckett would bat 4 even thou he does open..Butler is on the tour not just the one dayers..
Duckett did really well today we were on top when he was batting.
I know there will be many who do not agree with this but if Butler plays and keeps the balance of the side sorts itself out.
No one is goi to argue( I bet someone does!!) bairstow is not one of the best batsmen in the Country- he plays as a batsman.
It was suggested on tv today, butler and bairstow share wicketkeeping duties...a bit unusual that but you never know.
We have allrounders who def can bat so batting it looks covered. ansari is a good bat if he plays.
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I think you can have to many all rounders unless of course they are Bothams or Flintoffs bits and pieces players rather than batting or bowling specialists it can make a team weaker
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why would you pick ali and batty? India potentially have no left handers in their line up
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I wonder considering the ineffectiveness of our spinners and failings of our batters could you go in with something like this...
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Mo
YBJ
Stokes
Butler
Woakes
Broad
Batty
It's right and left hand throughout with batters down to 8. Then just have 2 spinners (you could pick ansari or rashid instead of Batty if you really wanted) as 3 have been useless anyway.
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Thinking about it, and ruling out the sensible option of ringing Jack Leach at home and begging forgiveness, I''d go:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Ali
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Batty
Whilst I agree with csnew that India's lack of lefties mitigates against having two off spinners, even with his improved second innings performance I didn't see anything from Ansari to suggest he is anywhere near the required level.
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Thinking about it, and ruling out the sensible option of ringing Jack Leach at home and begging forgiveness, I''d go:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Ali
Bairstow (w)
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Batty
Whilst I agree with csnew that India's lack of lefties mitigates against having two off spinners, even with his improved second innings performance I didn't see anything from Ansari to suggest he is anywhere near the required level.
If they drop Ballance this is the side I can see them picking. Or perhaps ansari ahead of rashid.
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They were never going to pick Leach, due to the kerrigan effect and especially when Chris Rogers himself said he wasn't ready.
Cook is apparently very averse to sharing keeping duties and to be honest, why change bairstow's role or position when he's on course to being England's highest run scorer in a calendar year? His keepings improved and he's scoring runs. Leave him be and play buttler as a batsman if we must. I'd go with Hameed at the top and duckett at 4. I think they may go back to batty for experience and control. The former because we forget that for years we've had players with loads of test experience, case in point winning in India in 2012. Players who could call on shed loads of nouse...
The latter as we cannot afford to leak runs. Expect defensive fields for the spinners and one of rashid and ansari to miss out
Cook
Hameed
Root
Duckett
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Ansari
Broad
Batty
Problem with picking buttler at this stage is he's missed out when he was on fire after the odis. He's been sat watching for two weeks...
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Can I remind people that in India you need a hitter in the top 3, Duckett should stay opening!
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Not saying he shouldn't, but why bother taking hameed to India if he's not going to open, knowing that you need a hitter?
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I reckon they will stick with duckett opening after that knock today definitely. But that then gives them 2 choices really i think -
1. Stick with Ballance and hope he comes good or..
2. Drop ballance and Pick Butler as a batter
All the other options don't leave the side with enough batting considering whats been happening.
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I agree with the above.
The tour of Bangladesh has shown two things, they want duckett to open in India, and today he cemented that spot.
And two that ballance isn't up to it current. And with buttler the only middle rider batsmen in the squad, he is surely going to get the gig.
My eleven for the 9th of Nov
Cook-w
Duckett
Root
Ali
Bairstow-w
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Batty.
Bairstow at 5 as they won't want him to stump and be top four, and Ali at four to give him the chance to prove he can be a top order batsmen.
4 is to high for buttler! Maybe stokes will step up, but who knows.
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Can I remind people that in India you need a hitter in the top 3, Duckett should stay opening!
Agree with your theory but I can't see him lasting too long enough to be effective.
We seem to be in the mould at the minute of all or nothing throughout the team.
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I agree with the above.
The tour of Bangladesh has shown two things, they want duckett to open in India, and today he cemented that spot.
And two that ballance isn't up to it current. And with buttler the only middle rider batsmen in the squad, he is surely going to get the gig.
My eleven for the 9th of Nov
Cook-w
Duckett
Root
Ali
Bairstow-w
Stokes
Buttler
Woakes
Rashid
Broad
Batty.
Bairstow at 5 as they won't want him to stump and be top four, and Ali at four to give him the chance to prove he can be a top order batsmen.
4 is to high for buttler! Maybe stokes will step up, but who knows.
You could well be right. butler does not get in many test squads recently so it seems to me they want to play him. Otherwise there's no point dragging him round. And I'm sure Bayliss wants him in.
Slightly frustrating hameed does not look like playing but Duckett showed today he has guts to play like that. Got to keep him in.
Rashid or ansari? Not much in it is there? Ansari looks ok, he can def bat. In this match he was quite accurate.
Prepared to say I was wrong and he could be the third spinner. I don't think Rashid is trusted when it gets tight.
Cook did keep him on longer towards the end of their second innings in this game thou
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This all reeks of deckchairs on the Titanic.
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This all reeks of deckchairs on the Titanic.
Well as an England fan I would of taken 1-1 away in Bangladesh. Yes we should of won today but they could and probably should of won the first.
England are a good side . We are trying to blood some youngsters and away in Asia is now the hardest tour.
The ashes is no longer the ultimate test its India,/Pakistan/Sri Lanka away....
We just don't have the quality spinners other teams have. There's got to be some reshuffling because we absolutely must have the best chance possible come the first test.
And let's be honest we are not looking like even drawing in India, we have to compete thou somehow.
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I am going to say it.
We have a problem at 4.
We have a proven match winner in India with over 100 caps.
It won't happen. But having KP would be useful.
As I have been saying for ages. Hameed should bat at 4. Right hander with a test match temperament. Then when we get back home he and Duckett can swap.
Root started lower in the order it will help Hameed not to be up first.
It isn't beyond the realms of possibility that Ballance is sent home and Bell plays in India. Personally I think bell is finished, but it could happen.
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We're not producing spinners and our batsmen can't occupy the crease? I know, let's introduce another T20 competition!
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Maybe worth pointing out mark butcher's observation that the reason buttler was left out in 2015 was because he couldn't buy a run against Nathan lyon. Players are allowed to get better of course, just a point that hasn't been raised on here. Can't help thinking that the same selection for the India tour seemed convenient. Difficult to balance...
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Re. people saying Hameed couldn't possibly bat middle order in India as he's a young untested defensive opening bat - worked out alright for Joe Root!
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Re. people saying Hameed couldn't possibly bat middle order in India as he's a young untested defensive opening bat - worked out alright for Joe Root!
Root is defensive?
Hameed is a very promising cricketer; but is he really the best option for the no. 4 spot we have?
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Root is defensive?
Hameed is a very promising cricketer; but is he really the best option for the no. 4 spot we have?
He was at 21 when he started! Tbf it's not an option that occurred to me before but I think it's a decent one. As for the best option we have, it's Hameed, Buttler or Bairstow. Barstow's record in the top 5 is rubbish (sorry ;) ) and he's busy keeping, so it's Hameed vs Buttler. Can see a lot of good arguments either way personally.
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Ballance is a good player. No-one gets an average of 60-70 after three of four series without knowing a bit about Batting. He just needs a break, mentally looks shot. Can't seem to buy a run.
Was very disappointed with Duckett, heard lots of good things about him. That was until today when he actually attacked the bowlers. I feel he could be decent given another year or two. Give him the India and next summer (unless he becomes hapless in India).
I think Hameed could do a job at 3, move Root back to 4. Or, Bairstow/Ali 4, Hameed 5, Stokes 6, Bairstow/Ali 7.
No to KP and no to Bell. May as well build for the future, already got one oldie return in Batty. Shouldn't have too many in my eyes.
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I still suspect a lot of people haven't actually seen Hameed bat. I've only seen him once, so I'm certainly going to put forward the idea of blooding him out of position at no.4 in an away series against the number 1 side in the world.
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I have just seen that the ICC have confirmed umpire Kumar Dharmasena will stand in the first two Tests in India.
Dharmasena had his decisions referred to the third umpire 27 times in total with 13 overturned on review. Thats close to 50% wrong if my maths is right.
I know it was hard for the umpires but it should be fun with him umpiring and India using DRS for the 1st time.
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I have just seen that the ICC have confirmed umpire Kumar Dharmasena will stand in the first two Tests in India.
Dharmasena had his decisions referred to the third umpire 27 times in total with 13 overturned on review. Thats close to 50% wrong if my maths is right.
I know it was hard for the umpires but it should be fun with him umpiring and India using DRS for the 1st time.
I bet Moeen is chuffed.
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Maybe they'll go with @Buzz's hitter in the top 3 theory and just stick Buttler in at 3 and tell him to try and whack Ashwin over cow every ball?
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It would be interesting to see what the Indians opinion of buttler is, I suspect they would rather he not be selected and England pick ballance or Hameed instead.
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The pitches are going to be raging bunsens, at least for three of the games.
In those conditions, there is little point in constructing a watchful 60 ball starts only to find one with your name on it when you only have 10 on the board. As long as it is done sensible, batsmen need to have a method - a la Tamim Iqbal - to score runs whilst they survive. So play Buttler in what is a long batting line up and give him licence to be positive.
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It would be interesting to see what the Indians opinion of buttler is, I suspect they would rather he not be selected and England pick ballance or Hameed instead.
you never know but I think it's inconceivable Balance will be at 4 for the first test. The guy is a good player but you can't keep being picked without a significant score to your name.
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you never know but I think it's inconceivable Balance will be at 4 for the first test. The guy is a good player but you can't keep being picked without a significant score to your name.
he was not in form when he was recalled, has not found any since. It isn;t that he will never make it as a test player, but that the selectors were seduced by his numbers to thrown him back in when he clearly wasn't in the right place to be in the side.
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he was not in form when he was recalled, has not found any since. It isn;t that he will never make it as a test player, but that the selectors were seduced by his numbers to thrown him back in when he clearly wasn't in the right place to be in the side.
absolutely right. I actually like Ballace and think he will be an England player long term. At the moment thou, no......others deserve a shot
no sure if technical or just loss of form is his issue but he needs taking out. He's young enough to come back later....