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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #120 on: October 18, 2016, 02:09:13 PM »

If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot.  I'm not convinced.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #121 on: October 18, 2016, 02:09:58 PM »

Though the idea of using two keepers has some merit given how much cricket England players play...sorry, are rested from.  Though I'd be tempted to alternate sessions rather than innings.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #122 on: October 18, 2016, 03:17:20 PM »

Though the idea of using two keepers has some merit given how much cricket England players play...sorry, are rested from.  Though I'd be tempted to alternate sessions rather than innings.

Duckett is a keeper by trade, I believe, so we will (probably) have two glovemen on the pitch for the first Test.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #123 on: October 18, 2016, 03:37:29 PM »

If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot.  I'm not convinced.

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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #124 on: October 18, 2016, 04:54:05 PM »

Alternating keepers is just not going to happen.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #125 on: October 18, 2016, 05:03:01 PM »

Duckett is a keeper by trade, I believe, so we will (probably) have two glovemen on the pitch for the first Test.

Correct, in fact for the last ODI there was 4 keepers on the field

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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #126 on: October 18, 2016, 05:13:31 PM »

If you accept that YJB has to be in the sie - and I don't think anyone credibly doubts that - then the question is whether the slightly keeping improvement that Buttler offers (and lets be realistic, he isn't Chris Read either) outweighs the loss of runs between Buttler and whoever loses out on a batting spot.  I'm not convinced.
Nail on the head there, if Duckett/Ballance/Buttler are competing for one batting space it's hard to argue against selecting Duckett on current form. Would like to see Buttler playing as much red ball as possible with a view to getting him in, but that's much more likely when we're back at home and not picking 6 bowlers. Bayliss is clearly keen to get him in the side so wouldn't be surprised if he does play at some point this winter though!

Not relevant to the current tour, but Buttler playing at home would raise the prospect of our 4-8 being Duckett, Buttler, Stokes, Bairstow and Ali - that is some serious pain for away bowling attacks if the top 3 put a few on! And that's before you even get to Woakes or factor in how quickly Root scores.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #127 on: October 18, 2016, 06:12:28 PM »

I'm sure I've heard Bayliss allude to the idea of rotating keepers during a game. When YJB was carrying England's batting last year you could tell he was struggling with the workload. Of course the best answer to that isn't to take the gloves off him, but for the England top order to actually give him the chance to rest properly
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #128 on: October 19, 2016, 09:33:33 AM »

Jonathan Agnew saying England should go with Hameed & Ballance  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893

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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #129 on: October 19, 2016, 09:47:03 AM »

Jonathan Agnew saying England should go with Hameed & Ballance  :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/37692893




hmmmm... I quite like Agnew to read on BBC...  there's logic there, Balance has grit and experience, no doubt he is quality player sometimes better 'digging in' a bit like Compton. there's still a role for that type of player in tests.....

I just think myself really pleased Duckett was picked, he's in form, bags of talent and let's see how he goes...yes we have inexperience but at some point you got to give guys a go.

I hope they are not considering just one of Duckett of Hameed(rob key column on sky). Like to see both play.... :)
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #130 on: October 19, 2016, 09:48:36 AM »

Click bait.
Agnew only arrived yesterday and didn't see the Odi's or the warm up games.

Duckett is certain to start and likely to be opening.

That doesn't rule out Hameed who may bat at four, although there has been a chunk of talk about this being the other way round.

Likely team:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Hameed
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad

Personally I think hameed at four balances the team better than the other way round.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #131 on: October 19, 2016, 09:52:47 AM »

Click bait.
Agnew only arrived yesterday and didn't see the Odi's or the warm up games.

Duckett is certain to start and likely to be opening.

That doesn't rule out Hameed who may bat at four, although there has been a chunk of talk about this being the other way round.

Likely team:
Cook
Duckett
Root
Hameed
Ali
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Rashid
Batty
Broad

Personally I think hameed at four balances the team better than the other way round.


Buzz England won't do that... it's the wrong way round. Hameed is an out and out opener.Does Duckett not bat in both positions opening and number 4? have I got that wrong......
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #132 on: October 19, 2016, 09:56:13 AM »


Buzz England won't do that... it's the wrong way round. Hameed is an out and out opener.Does Duckett not bat in both positions opening and number 4? have I got that wrong......

I'm with you here Carlos.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #133 on: October 19, 2016, 10:10:57 AM »

I am just being a bit pragmatic.
In Bangladesh you need an opening bat who hits it while the ball is new and hard.
Plus England's middle order is stuffed with stroke players. Having someone who bats time at 4 would really suit our team.

I understand what Hameed does for Lancashire and that Duckett has more experience at 4, I just think this works better looking at the line-up on paper.
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Re: England v Bangladesh TEST series
« Reply #134 on: October 19, 2016, 10:12:36 AM »

You could argue that Duckett made all his runs opening, so why make him bat 4?
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