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Title: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: hanif on January 13, 2017, 11:31:04 AM
We have some SG softs in stock, but if you need a particular bat, just let me know which model, approx weight and we can order one for you. Weight may not be exact but we will request it.

SG softs are not made for the UK market and the manufacturers will not sell to UK retailers, so these softs would be classed as grey imports based on the forums interpretation, as would any SG bat imported by aswani.   

we have SS ,LE, Grade 1,Grade 2 in stock, all plain

Based on the forums understanding of a grey imports I am assuming that everyone is aware that these bats are considered grey imports. VKS has also imported TON bats direct from the factory not made for the UK market and not through the UK distributor, but again he is a sponsor so we will not mention this.

There is obviously a massive bias on this forum, if a sponsor is to do something it is amazing. If some one else was to carry out the same action they should be avoided. Seems hypocrisy is rife in this place.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
Good grab. anything else happen 5 years ago we should know about?
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: edge on January 13, 2017, 11:38:47 AM
Popcorn time!

In all seriousness, I'm not sure you actually understand exactly what a grey import is and what the legalities of them are Hanif?
Top work picking some posts from 2012 out, that must have taken some searching ;)
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: smilley792 on January 13, 2017, 11:43:55 AM
Popcorn time!

In all seriousness, I'm not sure you actually understand exactly what a grey import is Hanif?
Top work picking some posts from 2012 out, that must have taken some searching ;)

Business must be slow for him.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 11:45:06 AM
Business must be slow for him.
not much passing trade in the loft of a house.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 13, 2017, 11:45:15 AM
Good grab. anything else happen 5 years ago we should know about?

Strauss retired and as he was born in sa and should never have been available for England (in some people's opinions, not mine I may add) that would also make him a grey import??
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: hanif on January 13, 2017, 11:46:58 AM
These posts were taken from a recent topic that was resurrected and there was a mention of grey imports and how we had gone missing since this was mentioned. There are sponsors on this forum who are still selling grey imports and still have what you guys class as a grey import listed on their websites.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: hanif on January 13, 2017, 11:48:56 AM
We concentrate on providing quality products at great prices, it is the forum that is hung up on labels.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 13, 2017, 11:50:46 AM
We concentrate on providing quality products at great prices, it is the forum that is hung up on labels.

And slagging forum members off is really gonna sell quality products at great prices isn't it
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: RoCo Da Pixie on January 13, 2017, 11:51:00 AM
We concentrate on providing quality products at great prices, it is the forum that is hung up on labels.

Become a sponsor and then your goods can be raved about as well!
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: hanif on January 13, 2017, 11:54:57 AM
which members have been slagged off?
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: smilley792 on January 13, 2017, 11:55:09 AM
We concentrate on providing quality products at great prices, it is the forum that is hung up on labels.


I get it now, this is a thread to get you back in people's minds and aware you have some grey imports at some prices.

No such thing as bad publicity eh? All helps.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: rickjames on January 13, 2017, 11:56:16 AM
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Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: roco on January 13, 2017, 11:58:00 AM
Not long till this is locked

For once I'm clueless to the argument so ignorance is bliss
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: hanif on January 13, 2017, 11:59:50 AM
We are not a part of this forum, we do not need this forum to promote our business, but in the same breath there is no reason for people on this forum to bad mouth our business when you have had no dealings with us. please feel free to lock this topic down.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:03:11 PM
Become a sponsor and then your goods can be raved about as well!

I recall an earlier discussion where EAS had approached CBF to ne a forum sponsor but the request was denied.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: edge on January 13, 2017, 12:05:49 PM
We are not a part of this forum, we do not need this forum to promote our business
Stop coming on here then? Didn't mind you early on and tbh you seem to sell some good looking bats, but ever since you got called out for trademark infringement you've done nothing but whine. Feel free to save yourself and the rest of us the trouble and don't bother if you don't need the forum.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: shax12 on January 13, 2017, 12:06:53 PM
There is a lot of bias on this Forum and will be always. It's a fair point I remember Hanif getting attacked on this forum as a fake bat seller etc. But it's not fake if forum sponsor imports these bats.

And people who saying Hanif is doing this for pomoting himself. He don't need to. He probably selling more bats then soke forum sponsors and doing well.
You don't sell 6 bats that are £350 within a day or 2 after receiving if you still need promotion.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Sivlar13 on January 13, 2017, 12:06:59 PM
Does this mean that a Warner/XP80 are then grey imports?

Gray Nicolls aren't on the forum and I'd bite my toes off to get both of these.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 12:07:42 PM
I recall an earlier discussion where EAS had approached CBF to ne a forum sponsor but the request was denied.
Concerns over authenticity of products maybe?
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:08:20 PM
And slagging forum members off is really gonna sell quality products at great prices isn't it

I don't think Hanif has slagged off any member. Its clear he is pointing out the same trade practice by different retailers are viewed in two different ways. I think this is a good discussion so less knowledgeable folk like me can get better information which is only useful.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:08:47 PM
All forums rave about sponsor's products and how they are the best and most legit.... and they can do no wrong.... until they are no longer a sponsor  ;), sadly this is nothing new, after all sponsors would be paying a pretty good amount for publicity and awareness.

Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: shax12 on January 13, 2017, 12:09:23 PM
Stop coming on here then? Didn't mind you early on and tbh you seem to sell some good looking bats, but ever since you got called out for trademark infringement you've done nothing but whine. Feel free to save yourself and the rest of us the trouble and don't bother if you don't need the forum.

It's a public forum and not owned by you. And what is he whining about. He getting his points across with facts and truth to show how much bias their is on the forum. If you can't take him giving answers then most of you lot shouldn't have attacked him first with all the crap.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 12:11:57 PM
Someone please spark it up by bagging CA cricket bats.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: simonmay5 on January 13, 2017, 12:12:07 PM
I going to stick my neck out and say I have bought bats from all different sources and as long as I get what I looking for I don't care if it's a gray import ijc did it all the time buying direct from India or a car boot with bats so why can't we just enjoy nice willow life to short to moan about where bats are made come from ebay is full of them but we don't moan about them if we get a bargain do we
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: csnew on January 13, 2017, 12:13:02 PM
wow a couple of newbies on the forum have got quite strong opinions hmmm
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: shax12 on January 13, 2017, 12:14:00 PM
I don't think Hanif has slagged off any member. Its clear he is pointing out the same trade practice by different retailers are viewed in two different ways. I think this is a good discussion so less knowledgeable folk like me can get better information which is only useful.

Well said. He hasn't slagged anyone but only gave his answers and points which most on here slagged him of for. So people be put of buying from him and go to forum sponsors but actually the opposite happens. I have got negative impression of forum sponsors because of some people as it seems like a agenda at times. It's always the same people all the time. Maybe some forum sponsors give them special discount so they can promote them all the time and praise every bat of theirs they get.
Sorry forum sponsors nothing against you but some people give you all the wrong impression.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: addu84 on January 13, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
I actually agree with Hanif. As a forum member who is an avid reader and thoroughly enjoys all the posts, I do believe there is an unhealthy attitude towards retailers who are not sponsors. I would definitely expect a certain bias to exist given in essence the sponsors fund the upkeep of the forum but downright belittling competition is not the way to go. I have in the past dealt with a lot of retailers including Uzi, Vitas and Eclipse and have found them all to provide excellent goods and services. Lets all ensure the forum remains a congenial platform to enjoy our shared passion of the great game.   
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:14:38 PM
Stop coming on here then? Didn't mind you early on and tbh you seem to sell some good looking bats, but ever since you got called out for trademark infringement you've done nothing but whine. Feel free to save yourself and the rest of us the trouble and don't bother if you don't need the forum.

Sir, i think its a bit rude and might I add it is not your place to decide who can be part of this forum as long as everyone adheres to the rules and follows the spirit of this forum. I don't see any hint of malice in Hanif's statement and as far as I can see his business has not taken the help of this forum to be established or grow. If he has not tried to promote his business here but merely protected it if he feels some inaccurate statements and views have been made then thats doesn't seem unfair to me. Please lets keep this friendly.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 12:15:50 PM
Well said. He hasn't slagged anyone but only gave his answers and points which most on here slagged him of for. So people be put of buying from him and go to forum sponsors but actually the opposite happens. I have got negative impression of forum sponsors because of some people as it seems like a agenda at times. It's always the same people all the time. Maybe some forum sponsors give then special discount so they can promote them all the time and praise every bat of theirs they get.
Sorry forum sponsors nothing against you but some people give you all the wrong impression.
This is gold
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:16:09 PM
wow a couple of newbies on the forum have got quite strong opinions hmmm

Wow congrats on the superiority complex.

Only seasoned vets on the forums can have meaningful unbiased opinions without ulterior motives  :)
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:18:21 PM
A fine piece of willow will always be a fine piece of willow  ;)
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: alexhilly1492 on January 13, 2017, 12:20:03 PM
Wow! This has made work much more interesting, and I think saying that everyone on a forum is obsessed with labels is wrong, there are plenty of people on here with blank unbranded kit..

And tbh saying forum sponsors get applauded more than others, yes that's the case but maybe that's because they provide excellent service I have bought form forum sponsored, forum members and non forum folk all of which I would consider buying from again, purely because the service was good, there's nothing wrong with that.

I think some people in this thread are forgetting people are entitled to an opinion!
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:20:49 PM
wow a couple of newbies on the forum have got quite strong opinions hmmm

I'll take the bait. So someone who prefers to listen more (read) and learn, rather than comment a lot is a noob. Wow. Objectively speaking your comment only adds to your comment count and not this discussion but the so is this comment. Lets stick to the discussion, shall we? Peace.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: edge on January 13, 2017, 12:22:33 PM
Ha, @shax12 @6464 - dear me no of course I don't run this forum, merely pointing out that noone is compelling mr hanif to come on here and make angry threads about how scandalous it is that someone else is importing unbranded bats, or about how popular certain members are with the ladies (very, I hear).

As for truth and facts, here's a couple: Grey imports are not illegal. Trademark infringement is illegal.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:23:46 PM
What's the deal with this trademark infringement?  :o
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:25:04 PM
not much passing trade in the loft of a house.

Microsoft, Apple and many legitimate successful businesses were started and run from a garage or basement. It is sad to see such comments coming from seasoned forum members. I believe this sets a poor example for noobs like me.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: northernboy1987 on January 13, 2017, 12:29:17 PM
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Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:30:07 PM
Ha, @shax12 @6464 - dear me no of course I don't run this forum, merely pointing out that noone is compelling mr hanif to come on here and make angry threads about how scandalous it is that someone else is importing unbranded bats, or about how popular certain members are with the ladies (very, I hear).

As for truth and facts, here's a couple: Grey imports are not illegal. Trademark infringement is illegal.

Sir, could you for the benefit of noobs like me educate us as to what constitutes a grey import? And why it is illegal?

From my understanding - If a product is legal to trade in and is imported legally then is it still illegal?

Saying it is illegal is looking at from a black and white persepctive so mentioning 'grey' in the same statement is a paradox

All a bit confusing.

If this topic has been discussed before then i'll just search for it but I am asking since you brought it up.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on January 13, 2017, 12:31:06 PM
Yes, I'm sure retailers would love to keep slating 'bedroom' sellers. After all, they offer exactly the same potentially just cheaper.. who wouldn't be threatened And so lash out.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 12:31:30 PM
Sir, could you for the benefit of noobs like me educate us as to what constitutes a grey import? And why it is illegal?

From my understanding - If a product is legal to trade in and is imported legally then is it still illegal?

Saying it is illegal is looking at from a black and white persepctive so mentioning 'grey' in the same statement is a paradox

All a bit confusing.

If this topic has been discussed before then i'll just search for it but I am asking since you brought it up.
confusing is correct
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: skip1973 on January 13, 2017, 12:34:46 PM
Yes, I'm sure retailers would love to keep slating 'bedroom' sellers. After all, they offer exactly the same potentially just cheaper.. who wouldn't be threatened And so lash out.
Genuine retailers have nothing to fear from hobbyists, they come and go almost daily. It's almost always the unsuspecting customer that loses out.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:35:28 PM
Only things I hate from the youtube videos of the op is that 99% of the advertised bats ping unbelievably exceptionally well and bats look exceptional with very nice looking grains when a lot aren't at all.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: 6464 on January 13, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Concerns over authenticity of products maybe?

Sir, you are right and it could be matter of concern and a valid question to ask. The only reason I commented was because I could see the inconsistencies in the arguments here. From what I have seen, Hanif has responded to all negative comments and questions raised on the authenticity of the products and has categorically stated all his products are 100% genuine. Besides has anyone offered any argument or proof that shows the products are not authentic. From his youtube videos I can see that he stocks many well-known brands also as an authorised stockist. Would these well-known bat manufacturers deal with him if he was selling fakes or of ill-repute. To my rational unbiased mind it does not seem so.

 To say a bat not putchased from an authorised distributor or retailer is not authentic is not grounded in fact. If I bought a used bat of someone which is the real deal doesn't make it illegal.
Title: Re: Forum Bias and hypocrisy regarding grey imports
Post by: Buzz on January 13, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
Am going to lock this thread, sorry.
It feels a whole lot of odd to me, but yes the members if the forum are bias to the sponsors (the admin are grateful for their support) and we hope members continue to get great support from sponsors and other equipment sellers as well.

The original question was about the grey market which is something that individual members need to decide for the when buying kit and is not really a forum issue.