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Title: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 11:42:22 AM
Need a bit of advice on mobility and fitness training guys.

I'm pushing fifty now and need to sort my training to enable me to carry on playing, and to coincide with my diet change to sort years of crap eating and drinking
I've weight trained for years, never taken performance drugs/supplements, so no issues there, and always been reasonably bulky, if that makes sense?,(there's a recent pic of me on one of the southern net topics), but I'm more interested in mobility and general fitness.

With regards to diet, I'm drifting further towards a vegan/ fruit diet, with fish a couple of times a week, and keeping calories down to 2k a day if possible
Feeling a million times better for this, and wishing I'd started a long time ago

But
Need advice for what training to pursue

I was about to join a gym, and basically do a full body workout on machines 3 days a week, sort of a maintenance routine
Ive read conflicting reports on using stationary bikes etc and am wondering if I'm better avoiding, or not?

I also intend to try and do the 10k steps a day walking, as I'm sat on my backside driving all day,(I do around 60k miles a year)

I'm also wondering if I'm just better buying a couple of kettle bells and using these, and forget the gym membership?

Any thoughts for an over forty yr old ??
Cheers
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: HallamKeeper on January 13, 2017, 12:21:23 PM
Yoga is meant to be very good.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Dunamis Cricket on January 13, 2017, 12:21:49 PM
Wouldnt have put you close to 50 Mark! I've found for mobility wise, squash has been a god send to me! It covers agility, cardio, flexability and reactions all in 10 square feet!

Its hard to begin with but i felt the difference almost instantly half way through last year! Also i watched a 60 year old smashing his grandson about in the court the other week so age definitely isnt a factor!

Hope this helps

Woody
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 12:35:39 PM
Ah cheers guys
Often wondered about yoga

Squash, hmm
My ex and her family were heavily into squash, her brother was no3 in uk for a bit, we used to ferry him around for comps.
Was always told, get fit to play squash, not the other way round.
I was always too busy with cricket to have a go

I used to play a lot of footie up until I was 17 or so, and people I've known/met etc, who did similar have all had knee injuries etc and are now suffering mobility wise
Had a conversation with an ex pro footballer this week,(he's 52) who plays a lot of golf , who said he was OK walking but couldn't actually run if his life depended on it!
Always remember a bloke called Tommo,(Arran brindles dad) who also played a lot of football and had trouble running.
He'd tried everything but just lacked that mobility
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Shinpathy on January 13, 2017, 12:43:54 PM
Try badminton, good for hand eye coordination and agility too.

Keeps you on the move if you play anything near competitively.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: HallamKeeper on January 13, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I play hockey in the winter to stop colossal weight gain. When I wanted to get fitter I tried squash but I ended up injuring myself. I also tried 5-a-side football but my knees ended up in real trouble. This isn't to say don't try new sports, you definitely should.

I think if you try a new sport you should ease into it gently, it is weird how a new sport finds underdeveloped muscles very quickly. 

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on January 13, 2017, 01:17:50 PM
How's your swimming @Northern monkey ?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 01:38:57 PM
Hmm
It's cost Brucie
Arm an a leg down here, and time etc
I had thought about the local sports centre, but it's the other side of town, and that means a half hour to add on.
Nightmare these days with three kids managing to get out the house and do something.
By the time they are in bed, I'm knackered, hence why I'm gonna get off my backside and do a coupla mile walk then.

I do miss swimming tho, and it is so good for you
Tbh I'd not thought about it
I do need to teach the kids, so that could be a bonus
Very good shout sir
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: richthekeeper on January 13, 2017, 01:52:33 PM
Me and my 60 year old dad did a 5k run this time last year. I stayed at his pace and he jogged/walked/limped around the course in about 40 minutes.

He's now doing weekend parkruns as well as 2-3 road runs a week and clocks around 25 mins for 5k. He's training for a 10k race at the end of February.

So run. It's free.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 02:10:40 PM
Yet again, I've read conflicting reports on running
And I'm a lazy git
But, this is half the battle in staving off aging etc
It is something I do need to do, really
Plenty of good advice coming, many thanks guys
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Blazer on January 13, 2017, 02:40:30 PM
Keep going to the gym and weight train, it doesn't hinder your mobility as long as you do full range of motion. It's the things you down in between that affects mobility. Plenty of mobility videos on youtube which you can do on your off days. Focus on mobility of legs especially lateral and shoulders, both of which are needed in cricket. Also look back into the season and address the mobility issues if you had them.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Seniorplayer on January 13, 2017, 02:58:19 PM
I am older and you and find bike riding keeps the weight off And strengthens the legs  and football training helps with the  cricket running don't play in matches as don't want to pick up an injury.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on January 13, 2017, 02:58:37 PM
@Northern monkey - I'm monumentally lazy and a bit tight and rubbish in the mornings. I'm finding the Joe Wicks HIIT style workouts that you can do at home with a dumb-bell set and a chair are more my kind of thing.

I can't be arsed to go to the gym
I'm still too Fat to run
I like to keep the exercise short and very simple.

Working on the basis that something is better than nothing and due to family my spare time is limited, this seems to be working for me.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 13, 2017, 03:19:35 PM
You'll find the gym a waste of money after a few weeks, the machines aren't the best

As @FattusCattus has suggested, some sort of HIIT workout would work. Also as @Dunamis Cricket also suggested Squash is great to improve your fitness, reflexes and hand eye coordination.

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 04:07:39 PM
I'd looked at the hiit in the past, maybe it's worth looking into
Lots of conflicting tinternet issues regarding this method tho

Squash,badminton,again, is also the time thing
I work 50/60 hrs a week, with 3 under 5yr olds at home, there's no way I can bugger off for a couple of hours to play squash.
There's just not enough hours in a day , and time with the family comes first
I'm lucky in that , my missus is happy to drag the kids to watch me play cricket, so I don't wanna push my luck too much.

Please please keep the suggestions coming, I'm grateful for any advice
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on January 13, 2017, 04:18:44 PM
"Working on the basis that something is better than nothing" - this is the key line for me I feel.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 04:44:45 PM
Yup that's it
Use it or lose it
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: richthekeeper on January 13, 2017, 05:22:02 PM
Also worth noting that my dad's running has been much easier since he lost a lot (5 stone) of weight. If you sort your diet out and stop eating food for pleasure, you'll find that your body will respond. It's much easier to be active when you're carrying less weight around with you.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 13, 2017, 05:42:16 PM
@Northern monkey I can recommend a qualified kettlebell instructor in your area if you want to use kbs, it's worth having a lesson or 2 before going on your own. I can't recommend them enough for mobility, strength and conditioning, I have bought my own over the years and use them pretty much daily. Of course you can always play squash, swim etc on other days or even on the same day.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 05:52:02 PM
Ah Stuey, that sounds perfect.
That sort of strength training would cross over into my work etc
And it looks to include the mobility issues too.

My issues with trainers is the age thing, I'd prefer someone of similar age or older, as they are aware first hand of the differences of training past a certain age.

I'm sure a combination of the kettlebells ,(which I can do at home,(no ridiculous monthly charge),, the 10k walking/maybe running, and swimming has to be a start?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: jblowe on January 13, 2017, 07:20:25 PM
Yoga is meant to be very good.

Started going to Yoga with my wife, only because she did not want to go on her own, I love it. For anyone who has played sport it is easy.  After a few weeks I was right into it, and now go to classes 3 times a week, plus a short morning routine each day. Only thing is your be the only bloke in the class!!! 
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: GoodLeave on January 13, 2017, 07:36:18 PM
Only thing is your be the only bloke in the class!!!

This sounds like a good thing!?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: jblowe on January 13, 2017, 07:39:39 PM
You would think so!! but the lunchtime classes are for the more mature Lady.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 07:55:13 PM
its a time thing again Jason, you know what it's like round here driving anywhere at 5pm ish
I'd spend more time getting to a class somewhere, than I can afford.
I joined a gym in Abingdon last year, and spent more time in traffic than in there, and the forty quid a month membership really pees me off

I suppose the ideal, would be a personal trainer,(over forty) that could coach me through the hiit/kettle bell/yoga/Pilates ?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 13, 2017, 08:08:13 PM
Ah Stuey, that sounds perfect.
That sort of strength training would cross over into my work etc
And it looks to include the mobility issues too.

My issues with trainers is the age thing, I'd prefer someone of similar age or older, as they are aware first hand of the differences of training past a certain age.

I'm sure a combination of the kettlebells ,(which I can do at home,(no ridiculous monthly charge),, the 10k walking/maybe running, and swimming has to be a start?
where do you live ill send over the nearest qualified kb trainers? Your plan looks solid to me, a qualified kb trainer set you off on the right tracks.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 08:13:56 PM
I'm Abingdon Oxfordshire Stuey
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 13, 2017, 10:15:55 PM
Quentin (link below) is based in Wantage, I don't know him or the area but looks to be your closest. He is highly qualified through the strongfirst organisation. I train to their principals, which is based on good technique. Contact him and tell him your goals, you'll be suprised how good you feel come the cricket season. 

http://www.strongfirst.com/instructors/united-kingdom/quentin-bevan.001370000076YDHAA2/ (http://www.strongfirst.com/instructors/united-kingdom/quentin-bevan.001370000076YDHAA2/)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 13, 2017, 10:27:51 PM
Your a star
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 13, 2017, 10:40:20 PM
Np, let me know how you get on.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 20, 2017, 11:44:55 AM
I've looked into the kettlebell training locally with strong first , but it's based around set times, ie 7.30pm etc
Looks a cracking set up, with a couple very knowledgeable blokes, but
I'm knackered with this due to work, I can't commit to set times and days etc, the other thing is once the cricket season starts, it has to fit into that
So
I'm gonna buy a couple bells, and YouTube basic exercises
I will also push on with the walking, possible jogging

Managed to dip under 16 stone now, which is a stone off since this time last year, hope fully I can drop another over the year with the help of the training and continued healthy eating
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 20, 2017, 05:30:39 PM
I have the same problem, with finding time. Next best thing is to follow this swing and Turkish get up programme on the link below. It's written by Pavel Tsatsouline who owns strongfirst. He has a training cv as long as both my arms and introduced Kettlebells to the US. His programme is based on building mobility and strength stability with the Turkish get up and conditioning/ power endurance with the swing. I followed this programme for 2 years and still include it in my training pretty much daily. It's has great carry over for cricket.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Pavel-Tsatsouline-ebook/dp/B00GF2HP9G (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Pavel-Tsatsouline-ebook/dp/B00GF2HP9G)

If I could only do 2 exercises it would be these.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 20, 2017, 05:47:56 PM
I'm cooking fajitas and watching him on you tube!ha
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: kenbriooo on January 23, 2017, 08:57:43 PM
I managed to find a local school with a small gym in their set up. It's only £10 a month. It hadn't gotten the range of machines a 'normal' gym has but it's rarely busy and I do think feel the cost is prohibitive. I've not really lost weight but I have slimmed down slightly and feel better for it. Bonus is that I can go after the kids have gone to bed and I don't sit watching the telly eating!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: LDifa on January 23, 2017, 09:51:12 PM
Variety and fun have to be high up there!

Walking, running, swimming and cycling are all good types of exercise to build upon

The body has three ways of burning energy - it uses sugars first and kicks into fat burning after 20 mins or more of low intensity exercise - so choose appropriate exercises and duration

There are two ancient and very good methods of helping with general fitness - yoga and also tai chi - both 1000s of years old and superb

There is an ace app called bodyweight, it has loads of work outs, dead simple but good to do, I try and do one called PROMETHEUS three times a week (press ups, sit ups, climbers, squats, jumping jacks)

good luck
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 23, 2017, 10:13:37 PM
Ah cheers, will have a look now at the app
Just had first winter net, so that's gonna get me moving a bit, but I need to be doing something every day
Ie the walking and stretching etc, and kettlebell three times a week for the strength part

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 24, 2017, 08:32:50 AM
It hadn't gotten the range of machines a 'normal' gym
This is a good thing, reduces the amount of choice means you can get in and out quicker. All you need is a push, pull, lift and squat, job done. Also machines are ok if you have an injury you are rehabbing or you're a body builder, but sportsman (pro and amateur) generally dont play sitting at a leg press, you need full body range of movement.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 27, 2017, 03:07:25 PM
I've got a 6kg and an 8kg bells
As I figured I'd better practice correct technique with em before upping the weight, and I'd rather do more reps than risk injury through lifting stupid weights
And I can do curls etc with them too

Had an interesting chat with a work colleague in sarf London this week
I'd not seen him for 6 months or so, and couldn't believe how much weight he'd lost
He'd been hitting the gym hard for a year or so, and bulked up quite a bit,(he reckons no drugs)
Anyway, he'd injured his shoulder before xmas and hasn't lifted weights since, but had started running, working up from 1k to 4K in just over a month
He's lost over a stone in weight, and a huge amount of the bulked up muscle he had,(3inch of his biceps!)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: edge on January 27, 2017, 03:55:13 PM
You'll find those well too light I'd guess, but definitely the right thing to do learning proper technique before increasing in weight 👍
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 27, 2017, 03:57:36 PM
I'm trying to get the missus to have a go too, so thought it would kill two birds
I can always do more reps, it's a lot safer than lifting too much
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Calzehbhoy on January 27, 2017, 04:18:08 PM
I've cut out processed food and sugar for January, without changing anything other than my diet I've managed to lose 9lbs in 3 weeks and feel so much healthier as a result.

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on January 27, 2017, 09:36:35 PM
I've spent last coupla years, you tubing and reading books etc on diets and healthy eating
Few things I've tried to put into practice, and I'm feeling a million times better for it
Sort of a combination of a few things flying around,
Basically, fallen from a tree, ie as little processed food as possible
I've virtually cut out red meat, and eat very little meat full stop.
As much fresh veg as I can, two thirds of a meal at least
As few carbs as possible, definitely no white bread
Breakfast and lunch are fruit only,(as much as I want) feel mega from starting this before xmas, bloatings gone, and I'm never hungry during the day now,no lack of energy,even after a 14hr day and 600miles of driving.
ALL meals are cooked fresh, definitely no ready meals.

Still can't seem to drink much water, I just can't do it

Just wish I'd started this a long time ago
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on January 27, 2017, 10:38:16 PM
I've spent last coupla years, you tubing and reading books etc on diets and healthy eating
Few things I've tried to put into practice, and I'm feeling a million times better for it
Sort of a combination of a few things flying around,
Basically, fallen from a tree, ie as little processed food as possible
I've virtually cut out red meat, and eat very little meat full stop.
As much fresh veg as I can, two thirds of a meal at least
As few carbs as possible, definitely no white bread
Breakfast and lunch are fruit only,(as much as I want) feel mega from starting this before xmas, bloatings gone, and I'm never hungry during the day now,no lack of energy,even after a 14hr day and 600miles of driving.
ALL meals are cooked fresh, definitely no ready meals.

Still can't seem to drink much water, I just can't do it

Just wish I'd started this a long time ago
glad its working for you, you'll be getting plenty of fluids from the fruit you're eating. I wouldnt worry about trying to down litres of water.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: InternalTraining on January 27, 2017, 11:38:05 PM
I have the same problem, with finding time. Next best thing is to follow this swing and Turkish get up programme on the link below. It's written by Pavel Tsatsouline who owns strongfirst. He has a training cv as long as both my arms and introduced Kettlebells to the US. His programme is based on building mobility and strength stability with the Turkish get up and conditioning/ power endurance with the swing. I followed this programme for 2 years and still include it in my training pretty much daily. It's has great carry over for cricket.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Pavel-Tsatsouline-ebook/dp/B00GF2HP9G (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kettlebell-Simple-Sinister-Pavel-Tsatsouline-ebook/dp/B00GF2HP9G)

If I could only do 2 exercises it would be these.

Your kettlebell suggestion turned things around for my cricket fitness 1-2 years ago. :) Kettlebell led to barbells for strength which led to a more structured general fitness program. But, it all started with kettlebells.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: LDifa on January 28, 2017, 12:07:08 AM
there's good guidance in Simon Hughes's Who Wants to be a Batsman book regarding diet, drawn up from the guidance from the England team.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on February 08, 2017, 09:50:06 AM
I've started working out with the kettlebells
Actually found I can do a full body workout at home with them, which is good.
Just need to pick up some heavier bells, probably a 16kg one for the swings
As it is the 8kg is ok for shoulder pressing, curls, kickbacks etc, but feels way too light for the swings

Loving the concept, and ease of use, just wish I'd picked one up sooner
I can see and feel the crossover to cricket, in the exercises.

Will start the jog/walking this week,(I am a lazy git when it comes to running, part of the reason I stopped playing competitive football)

And I've dipped well under 100kg 16 stone for the first time in 10 years

Looking forward to the start of the season
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on February 08, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
@Northern monkey  and @InternalTraining congrats to you both. I've bored enough people on here about them, but they are excellent training tools. For swings you are right to look to use the 16kg to begin with.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on February 08, 2017, 11:20:57 AM
@Northern monkey - what full body workout are you using, is it on a website or in a book?

Well done on the sub 100kg - I don't normally work in metric, so I've just had to work mine out - 96kgs, first time I've been under 100 for years (and most of that is my plums!)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on February 08, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
No Bruce, just basic exercises using the kettlebell instead of dumbells

You can do shoulder presses,lat raises,curls,squats with the kettlebell
Plus the kettlebell swing

Regards diet, I've tried to cut the processed food out for a while now.
I work on the fallen from a tree principle
But I've also started having fruit only for breakfast and lunch, and that's been I think the biggest positive for me
I love fruit anyway, so it's been easy to do

Regards using machines and lifting heavy coach
This is where conflicting advice can step in,
I think one thing to bear I mind , is my age, I'm 48 now and my body's had some hammer,
I've been in and out of gyms for 35 years, played cricket 40 years, worked on building sites , rode mx bikes etc etc

There comes a time when you've got to be a little more restrained
But, there's lots of conflicting advice out there

The main thing tho, is to get off my backside and do something, as what you say, it's better to do something than not
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on February 08, 2017, 05:55:38 PM
To fit my training in around work and family life I've split my sessions at home in to 2.
6am mobility work and kettlebell swings
7pm ish...KB session strength/stability focused.
Both take between 15-30mins depending on what I'm doing.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on February 18, 2017, 08:57:24 PM
YouTube
15 minute hiit workout the body coach

A young chap who talks weird and has way too much hair , but that's basically the exercises I'm doing
With a few curls / triceps work thrown in,(kettlebells are perfect for this)

6am!!! I can just about turn my coffee machine on at that time!
Never mind swing some bells
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on February 21, 2017, 09:08:46 AM
I turn my coffee machine on at 6am too ;)
The 6am session is pretty light more about mobility/reflexive strength,  unlocking the hips and t-spine through too much sitting at work and getting the body moving how it should. The swings are the most taxing (but not very),I can swing the 32kg very comfortably for 10 x 10 swings. I leave the strength stuff for the evenings. Tbh I never train to exhaustion so it doesn't feel to much like hard work.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on February 21, 2017, 01:27:05 PM
I'm only getting 4 or 5 hrs kip at the moment (3x under 5yr olds at home!) and I'm off to work at 6am most mornings, so the evenings working ok for me,(I'm lazy)

I think that too, is the secret, not training to absolute failure all the time
I'm not an elite athlete training for a comp or anything
So I think exercise has to suit it's purpose

The bells are spot on
Wish I'd used em 30 yrs ago
They get the heart rate going!

I also feel I'm predisposed to using the kettlebells, if that makes sense?
They suit me?ha
I love the weight of them and the fact you have to use multiple muscle groups to use them.
Bit weird I suppose
I used to hate barbells and much preferred dumbells

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: petehosk on February 21, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
I think I may invest in a set or two of light kettlebells! My wife's best friend is a kettlebell instructor/teacher and takes classes so may ply her with wine and pick her brains!
At moment started T-25 at home with odd dumbbells exercise chucked in. But will move into back garden to do kettlebells when dry as more head room! 
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on February 21, 2017, 01:41:25 PM
You don't need the headroom pete, you only swing it head height.
I can just about do shoulder presses indoors too,(the bells are really good for shoulder presses)
Then again, I'm a right short ar&se next to you
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: petehosk on February 21, 2017, 01:47:23 PM
You are not that short mate.
And I may be taller and heavier but you still hit the ball 10 times harder and 20 time further than me! So nothing wrong with your power fella!  ;)
But good tip thanks mate. Have to wait until payday and start with a light set and see how I get on with them!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: edge on February 21, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
Depends on what you're doing tbf, I do more moves that involve getting the bell overhead than I do standard swings with kettlebells personally, but then again that's not strictly necessary! No chance of doing that indoors unless I find a house with some much higher ceilings ha.

Glad to hear you're getting on well with them @Northern monkey , I love the technique and different movements using kettlebells so much more than just humping a dumbbell up and down.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on February 22, 2017, 08:36:32 AM
I think I may invest in a set or two of light kettlebells! My wife's best friend is a kettlebell instructor/teacher and takes classes so may ply her with wine and pick her brains!
Treat her to the vine yard....it will be worth it  :)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on February 22, 2017, 08:57:12 AM
Chaps try crawling as well, sounds ridiculous but I've been adding crawling to my daily practise for a year now and found my movement is a lot more fluid and coordinated.
The science behind it is that it regains reflexive strength we lose by sitting on our backsides I.e. we move  as we are meant to. You don't need a coach or weights just get on your hands knees, head up look forward  and crawl forwards stop then backwards. It's great for your core and shoulders. Give it a go, but just practise it don't go all out.
There are progressions you can do further down the line.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on March 02, 2017, 09:46:05 PM
Had a look at the crawling on you tube
I thought it was a wind up!ha

It actually feels good, like its stretching by back out a bit

Loving the kettlebells, gotta go an pick up a 14kg one I won on flea bay
I've been doing 20x reps with the 8kg then 20x with the 6kg then a rest
So definitely need a little more weight
I don't want to lift too much more yet, as I can definitely feel it in my lower back,( my s1 disk is not too clever, never got it sorted)

But my overall strength feels to be getting better,(just done an exhibition at excel, which included unloading and loading a forty foot trailer full of furniture, as well as building a show stand, and no aches/pains/struggles etc)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on March 03, 2017, 08:42:56 AM
I know what you mean,  I didn't believe it when I heard about it. Rolling and crawling isn't training....how wrong I was. It's so simple I've attached the link below. I'm familiar with these coaches through kettlebells so knew they were on to something, and having been doing the presets every morning for a year they definitely are. Have a gander through their site it will tell you more than I can.

https://originalstrength.net

If your looking to get a new kb, get a 16kg from wolverson or  rogue. I've got competition bells but you can also buy cast iron bells, both are good. Competition bells are used in kettlebell sport which I might do in the future.

When do you feel pain in the lower  back?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on March 03, 2017, 09:43:59 AM
Not pain, just the lower back muscles tensing?
That make sense?
I've copied the strong first technique when swinging the bell.
I think it's just my body not used to using core strength

I'm picking a 14kg bell up today that I got from eBay 8.50, so cheap enough
I actually prefer the squarer shape ones, they fit nice when doing shoulder presses etc, but I reckon heavier bells for swinging, I'm gonna need the nice wide handles, my hands are quite big
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on March 03, 2017, 11:12:28 AM
Try sitting further back with your hips (push your backside right back as the bell meets the groin on the backswing), let bell swing all the way back. This will ensure you provide momentum on the upswing with your glutes rather than your lower back. It can sometimes be a very small difference but you will notice it, especially when you start to use heavier bells.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on March 03, 2017, 11:44:31 AM
Will do
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on May 07, 2017, 10:28:53 AM
Bit of an update

Played three games and feeling ok
First game ended up doing long on to long on for 35 overs,so mobility is not too bad
Battings fine, definitely can't use a bat over 2.8, as way too late on shots, so really need to build up the strength.
Bowled a few overs yesterday, and felt really good, no golfers/tennis elbow and shoulders fine too

Had a medical at work two weeks ago, that scared the life outta me
Blood pressure was 154/115
I've got low good cholesterol
Way way overweight/obese
Etc etc

Managed to speak to my doctor who basically said what a load of crap
Leant me a Bp monitor for a week, and my blood pressure is very healthy so major panic over, but do need to work on the good cholesterol part
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Seniorplayer on May 07, 2017, 04:58:26 PM
My chorestol was 6.6 doctor put me on  30 mil  chorestol busting Statins which caused shoulder calf  leg pain and stiffness
So I stopped taking them doctor had a go at me  and stated well that's better than an having a stroke.
Apparently it's recommended  anyone over 50 should take them.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on May 07, 2017, 06:43:09 PM
No chance of me ever taking any medication, full stop.
My step dads said the same thing about statins

I'm sure in years to come, the gangsters behind the drugs industry will be made accountable

I'm convinced diet is the answer
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on June 28, 2017, 08:29:48 PM
Batted for 40 overs on Saturday and bowled 11 overs too
Don't feel too bad,(managed a kettlebells session yesterday) apart from a little tenderness in my left forearm/elbow
Longest I've batted for a while, and was not up for many singles, never mind twos or threes, but power wise I was ok.
Not sure what our straight boundary is, but was driving full bungers to it ok

Just wish I'd started with the kettlebells years ago.

I'm gonna look at playing tennis over the winter, hopefully to just improve the mobility side of it
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 28, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
40 overs @Northern monkey
How many runs mate?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on June 29, 2017, 04:25:56 AM
Not enough !
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Stuey on June 29, 2017, 08:17:30 AM
@Northern monkey , glad to see you're reaping the benefits of training with kettlebells.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: roco on June 29, 2017, 08:19:45 AM
Recently started pilates and can feel the difference on sunday mornings

Don't feel half as sore and seem to be way stronger in the core and able to bat longer

Agree on Kettles though as throw some of those in occasionally and so many good exercises its like an exercise version of swiss army knife.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on July 08, 2017, 08:45:20 PM
I'm on a roll now, managed to run a four today!
And batted 30 overs or so
And bowled 12 overs

Might get a game in our ones at this rate!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on August 02, 2017, 08:05:34 PM
Cor blimey!!!!  I did a Fitness Boot Camp tonight in the local park - that was a bit of a challenge for tubby little me!!!

Lots of sprints, squats, bunny hops, wide arm press-ups, shuttle runs etc- bloody hard work with my level of fitness.

Apparently it's different every week, next week will be sprints and then kettle thingies, boxing, waving ropes around etc.


But strangely, I actually enjoyed it - despite the fact i wanted to vomit in the bushes afterward. I thinks it's a combination of the variety and all the lycra-clad, wobbly lady's botties.

I shall be going again! :)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Calzehbhoy on August 02, 2017, 08:09:59 PM
Cor blimey!!!!  I did a Fitness Boot Camp tonight in the local park - that was a bit of a challenge for tubby little me!!!

Lots of sprints, squats, bunny hops, wide arm press-ups, shuttle runs etc- bloody hard work with my level of fitness.

Apparently it's different every week, next week will be sprints and then kettle thingies, boxing, waving ropes around etc.


But strangely, I actually enjoyed it - despite the fact i wanted to vomit in the bushes afterward. I thinks it's a combination of the variety and all the lycra-clad, wobbly lady's botties.

I shall be going again! :)

Those sprints weren't part of it @FattusCattus , they were just the ladies in Lycra trying to escape from you  ;)
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on August 02, 2017, 08:15:47 PM
I can't tell you what effect a big juicy female bum, clad in lycra, running in front does to me physically - but suffice it say, it acts like a rudder!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: JB on August 02, 2017, 08:29:47 PM
I've taken up going to a group personal trainer session with my mate. Started at Easter, been going 3 times a week. Down to 16st from 18 and a half! Lost 10 inches from around my belly. Keep it up @FattusCattus I feel much better for it
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: FattusCattus on August 02, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Good work @JB - what is the quality of bums like?
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on August 03, 2017, 05:12:04 AM
@JB
Ten inches!!!
That's really good

And the bootcamp things huge down sarf, not my cup of tea but glad to see your participating slimmus
Actually getting out there and doing something is half the battle

Bit of an update for me
Shoite really I'm embarrassed to say
I was in Germany last week again and managed to cover the whole country driving, just about 2k miles!
So my backs locked up this week, so feeling a bit old and fragile.

It is a state of mind, and I need to snap out of it and get back to exercising.
ive enjoyed bowling this year, think I'm up to 70 overs or so, and actually felt I bowled quite sharp for me on Saturday.

Lycra clad ladies hmmm

To be honest, I'm missing the gym
With three under five yr olds at home, I can't manage my time enough to work out at home.
The ability to pop into a gym before I go home from work meant I could exercise before tea and still entertain the kids etc

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on November 05, 2017, 02:01:49 PM
Slight update as there's a few threads on here regarding fitness/ diets etc

I'm upping the home workouts to a minimum of three times a week
It's not been easy fitting them in , with three under five year olds at home, getting time to workout, or more than 4 or 5 hrs kip in between childminding duties is not ideal.

I'm still doing a basic workout with the kettlebells and push ups
Easy enough, and no need for loads of equipment or time
I can do a workout in 15 mins or so.

Now
Ok this is nowhere near what some of you guys are doing, and applaud those  people that are doing this

My thinking is still, it's better to do something rather than the nothing I was doing before.

On another note, anyone watched the 'what the health 'documentary ?
Strongest case I've seen to live a plant based life
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: jonny77 on November 05, 2017, 02:47:09 PM
Pilates or Yoga are great for mobility. If these aren't possible then a good stretching routine every morning would help along with most firms of exercise for general fitness. Not many men stretch enough before or after exercise and leads to mobility issues, muscle injury and back issues. Loads of stuff on Youtube and there's a good stretch routine for mobility as part of the free programme offered by Tenax Performance. I had back problems and was advised by my physio that it was all linked to tightness in my glutes and hamstrings. His advice, stretch more!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on November 05, 2017, 02:58:31 PM
Yeah spot on

I had the same advice 20yrs ago when I first damaged my back.
The hospital physio said I had the hamstrings of a 70yr old.

She said stretching was incredibly important

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: roco on November 05, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Pilates is the shizzle

Been doing it for 6 months now and best training I’ve ever done

Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: jonny77 on November 05, 2017, 05:04:09 PM
Yeah spot on

I had the same advice 20yrs ago when I first damaged my back.
The hospital physio said I had the hamstrings of a 70yr old.

She said stretching was incredibly important

I've just turned 40 and consider myself to be in decent shape but my flexibility is shocking. Something I'm now working on and doing a stretching routine every morning as part of my program. Foam rollers are really good too.
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: edge on November 09, 2017, 12:35:30 AM
On another note, anyone watched the 'what the health 'documentary ?
Strongest case I've seen to live a plant based life
Haven't sat and watched it myself but I've read the headline claims, safe to say it's better viewed as a propaganda piece than any kind of science!
Title: Re: Mobility and fitness training
Post by: Northern monkey on November 09, 2017, 05:14:52 AM
There's a lot of people seem to be taking up the meat free lifestyle

I've watched it a couple of times and it's fairly compelling viewing.
A lot seems to ring true with it, from personal experience

As does the fat sick and nearly dead films,