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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Newbery => Topic started by: i12breakfree on February 03, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
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Does Newbery have a new batmaker for 2017?
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Yes not sure it public knowledge as tho whom yet though
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There was another bat maker recently (from unconfirmed but reliable sources) who also produces the red edge bats http://www.cricketbatexpert.com/ (http://www.cricketbatexpert.com/)
But, after another discussion with my source, TK contacted Newbery to get back involved, will be making the SPS bats only.
I cannot officially confirm the above as I have not spoken to either bat maker, but my source gets free Newbery Bats....
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Yes not sure it public knowledge as tho whom yet though
if not public knowledge lots of sms/whatsapp knowledge.
I heard SF is one of the suppliers.
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There was another bat maker recently (from unconfirmed but reliable sources) who also produces the red edge bats [url]http://www.cricketbatexpert.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.cricketbatexpert.com/[/url])
But, after another discussion with my source, TK contacted Newbery to get back involved, will be making the SPS bats only.
Did TK stop being involved?
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Did TK stop being involved?
I do not have that info, only what I posted.
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From looking at their website, Red Edge doesn't seem a big enough operation to be responsible for the bulk of the Newbery range?
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I seen a couple of newbery bats this year and the ones I have seen both players grade have been Indian made which for a company which is stating there bats are all hand made in the uk is a bit naughty basically the same thing as m and h
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I seen a couple of newbery bats this year and the ones I have seen both players grade have been Indian made which for a company which is stating there bats are all hand made in the uk is a bit naughty basically the same thing as m and h
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but how did you tell they were Indian made?
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I've seen the photos of said bats and the handle, twine and overall look to the bats gives it away
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It was the twine the Handel top etc that gave it away it's exactly the same as my sf triumph and definitely was not uk made let alone tk made
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When we have had threads like this in the past people have made statements that were not true and it has caused unnecessary hurt, not least with the reputation of batmakers and this forum.
Unless we have demonstrable proof that we can not pontificate on rumers as if they are fact.
For those reading, I suggest you take a pinch of salt with some if the statements.
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Is the handle still the distinctive Newbery shape?
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It was the twine the Handel top etc that gave it away it's exactly the same as my sf triumph and definitely was not uk made let alone tk made
Interestingly (?), Newbery now also have a Triumph.
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Interestingly (?), Newbery now also have a Triumph.
And a child designing their labels.
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Did someone not find the import list/duty for m&h and GN? Same not possible here
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And a child designing their labels.
I quite like their rebrand. Ultimately it's about the product though.
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Did someone not find the import list/duty for m&h and GN? Same not possible here
Tom's the man, I think.
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I agree that you shouldn't disseminate unfounded rumour but if it's another case of bats being called English made when some of them no longer are that's fair game. No one has a problem with Indian made bats, but the buyer has the right to know. If it's true I think that's pretty shocking actually. I can understand why you'd do it, the amount of time that goes into making bats must be enormous so you can save yourself a lot of time and money by outsourcing some of the products but you have to accept the caveats that come with that.
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Established brands hiding the fact they manufacture in low cost countries and still push product at the same price as U.K. A us made brands is deceitful, you can tell your RHD C class Mercedes is made in Port Elisabeth S A by the vin number, why can bat makers just hide the fact? If GN and Kook are taking advantage of India and selling at premium prices
They are also taking advantage of the consumer.
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Has anyone told IJC ?
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From the Newbery website
All of our top end English willow cricket bats are Handcrafted and individually hand pressed in England by our master bat maker. Our lower grade cricket bats are perfectly hand finished in England.
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From the Newbery website
All of our top end English willow cricket bats are Handcrafted and individually hand pressed in England by our master bat maker. Our lower grade cricket bats are perfectly hand finished in England.
Ah there you go then, hiding in plain sight! Very sneaky wording though.
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Yes, it's tucked away and is carefully worded.
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Yes, it's tucked away and is carefully worded.
So basically ship em in and whack the stickers on, maybe give em a sand!
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It reads to me : If you want a UK made Newwbury from cleft to bat it's top end only.
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And where do the 'lower grades' start?
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And where do the 'lower grades' start?
You'd think that SPS and whatever the next best grade is would be the English made ones? Maybe one more under that, not sure how many grades they actually do?
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Take it the prices will still continue to increase for their bats
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would assume its only sps handmade in uk...
Ill speak to my coach on Monday and get some contact details, they guy who used to make the bats, he also has some contact details for a few indian producers of softs (which are really cheap apparently), ill do some digging!
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You'd think that SPS and whatever the next best grade is would be the English made ones? Maybe one more under that, not sure how many grades they actually do?
Yes, us obsessives on here might be able to work it out. But it's unclear to Joe Public. Deliberately so, I might suggest?
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I thought I'd be cheeky and get an answer from the horse's mouth .So I emailed to ask what grades are UK made just clear up their murky description, because I was thinking about purchasing a players grade but 280 seems a bit much if it's an imported grade 2. Just waiting for a response .I will pass on the response if I get one.
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I thought I'd be cheeky and get an answer from the horse's mouth .So I emailed to ask what grades are UK made just clear up their murky description, because I was thinking about purchasing a players grade but 280 seems a bit much if it's an imported grade 2. Just waiting for a response .I will pass on the response if I get one.
Don't think that is cheeky! You should know where your product comes from.
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Take it the prices will still continue to increase for their bats
Sad reality! Newbery will continue to charge us same if not more for these bats.
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Yes, us obsessives on here might be able to work it out. But it's unclear to Joe Public. Deliberately so, I might suggest?
Assuming Joe Public would care I guess. The wording is clear for anyone interested enough to look. I wonder why it has been open season on M and H since news broke, yet with Newbery, we have been gently warned already?
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I don't think you'll get a straight answer
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You could always snaffle up a 100% UK made bat from certain forum sponsors 😁
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At present All Newbery bats we have are all UK made
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At present All Newbery bats we have are all UK made
I know for sure your have some absolute guns as well mate
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Did someone not find the import list/duty for m&h and GN? Same not possible here
Most brands now don't include models in the Indian export docs these days so hard to find.
As I understand SF are a lot more involved. Perhaps TK may do his own brand?
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Also - Newbery were seemingly in some financial strife last year. A change in batmaker could mean a reduction in costs.
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They've introduced new lower grade bats this year maybe they are the ones that aren't TK made?
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I actually got a response to email I sent asking what grade was made where.They said that the sps and pro are made in England and 5* G4 were hand finished .No mention about the players grade though the one I was actually interested in .
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Looks like aldred is making for newbery
Newbery posted this on FB.
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170216-042751_zpswor8l523.png) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170216-042751_zpswor8l523.png.html)
And then someone replied in the comments that it's one of Paul's
(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170216-042747_zps5tumfuaz.png) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170216-042747_zps5tumfuaz.png.html)
Paul also was the first one to like Newbery's post .
He does make quality bats . So good luck to @Aldred Cricket Bats
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As long as Newbery customers wanting 2.8 are happy to be told 2.12 will suit them better.
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As long as Newbery customers wanting 2.8 are happy to be told 2.12 will suit them better.
Don't make him angry - you wouldn't like him when he's angry.
HULK SMAAAAASH!!!!
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I actually got a response to email I sent asking what grade was made where.They said that the sps and pro are made in England and 5* G4 were hand finished .No mention about the players grade though the one I was actually interested in .
5* are grade 4? Surely not?
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Fair play to Paul if he's got this gig.
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The 5* range is new for this year is it not? I'd say it's most likely been introduced due to the change of bat maker and importing from India you would have to do it ratios of different grades not just one grade so they will have to be buying some grade 3/4s as well as the higher grades
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That is a tk I was there when the guys from Newbury picked them up
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The 5* range is new for this year is it not? I'd say it's most likely been introduced due to the change of bat maker and importing from India you would have to do it ratios of different grades not just one grade so they will have to be buying some grade 3/4s as well as the higher grades
No, they always had a 5*.
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That is a tk I was there when the guys from Newbury picked them up
Are you sure it wasn't Slazenger in Newbury (sic) disguise? This stuff is getting serious, you know?
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As long as Newbery customers wanting 2.8 are happy to be told 2.12 will suit them better.
We had 2 guys in the shop at the same time a while back both had asked for 2'10, they were sent bats at 2'15...
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does this mean the IJC platinum will be made in India?
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@Bats_Entertainment not unless they go around in newbery tracksuits
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That is a tk I was there when the guys from Newbury picked them up
You were where?
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With tk
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So he really isn't a Mythical creature?
Your name isn't Mike is it?
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We had 2 guys in the shop at the same time a while back both had asked for 2'10, they were sent bats at 2'15...
I'm sure they picked up 2.7 though.
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The 5* range is new for this year is it not? I'd say it's most likely been introduced due to the change of bat maker and importing from India you would have to do it ratios of different grades not just one grade so they will have to be buying some grade 3/4s as well as the higher grades
Hasn't it always been, SPS, Players and 5*, or is my memory just bad.
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So he really isn't a Mythical creature?
Your name isn't Mike is it?
He's not a mythical creature no and my name isn't Mike
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@Kulli yeh it's always been sps players then 5* but the new one this year is g4
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Just seen that, surprised they didn't just palm those off as 5* also.
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I'm sure at one point it was claimed they only dealt in Grade 1 willow.
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@Bats_Entertainment I think at one point they did but it makes business sense to have the lower grades considering the prices of the sps/pro grades
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@Bats_Entertainment I think at one point they did but it makes business sense to have the lower grades considering the prices of the sps/pro grades
Especially when I would suspect their new 'unnamed supplier' of 'unknown origin' will likely have MOQs across the full range of grades...
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Anyone think it's a coincidence that IJC don't have one newbery in stock on their website
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does this mean the IJC platinum will be made in India?
No - we are getting these and the Gold in the UK. No question about that!
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Anyone think it's a coincidence that IJC don't have one newbery in stock on their website
We are in discussions with Newbery at the moment about everything. We hold Newbery to the same standards as every other brand we stock, so we might not be everyone's cup of tea, but we are at least honest and stick to our principles I think!
Newbery aren't always the best communicators so the process might take some time - we will keep everyone updated once we get anything definitive!
CBD
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So will the Platinums and Golds be made by Newberys new batmaker in England or made by another English batmaker and therefore carry different stickers not related to Newbery at all @chrisbd
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Having been to hove last week and seen the bats wrapped in plastic like the ones you'd expect to get from India (can't think of anyone over here who does it?) and spoken to a few guys who have knowledge of the matter there's little doubt that the bats are being made in India, which is pretty disappointing considering the fantastic heritage of the brand @chrisbd
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We are in discussions with Newbery at the moment about everything. We hold Newbery to the same standards as every other brand we stock, so we might not be everyone's cup of tea, but we are at least honest and stick to our principles I think!
Newbery aren't always the best communicators so the process might take some time - we will keep everyone updated once we get anything definitive!
CBD
Chris is back! It's been a while since you posted.
Few questions?
Did you get to play in Australia again this winter??
The ijc bats, will they be made via newbery(so therefore there current uk batmaker) and carry the same newbery style labels next season?
Or will you go straight to the source and have the old newbery batmaker make them?
If the later same stickers or updated ones?
The info you get with newbery you said you will update us.
What was the info that came from millichamp? As I believe paul said he'd update us on that one, but we just got the "we can't say why, but we will no longer be stocking millichamp from now on"
Im presuming we all have guessed why, but confirmation is always good.
Cheers
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Hello all,
Nice to be back!
In response to questions. @tom line - It is my belief (we have this in writing from Newbery) that the existing batmaker (TK) will be continuing to make the Gold and Platinums. I can only go off this info. I know Paul (IJC Tall Paul) speaks to Newbery a lot more than I, so I only ever have half the story, but I am reading an email now which says we can keep TK making them.
@Bwcc Yes - I'd agree, it is disappointing to see brands do this - IF they are dishonest about it. Gray Nics have a heritage in England, and a long story of bieng in Sussex etc, but they outsource bats, and as they are open about it, I don't think anyone has an issue with it. Hopefully Newbery can follow a similar model.
@smilley792 I did not play in Aus this winter. Am at uni now so have to apparently do some work or something like that! See my previous answer RE Platinums. I suspect things will remain largely the same on our side of things. With M&H I myself am not 100% sure, but I'd be reasonably confident (95%+) in saying that Paul made his decision based on the outsourcing factors.
Like I said - all this info is with a pinch of salt, as plans are often very fluid, and we have to react to an extent to the behest of bigger companies (Newbery e.g), so please don't hold me to this if it all turns out to be a load of rubbish, but it is the best info I have at the time!
CBD
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Cheers for the reply chris. much appreciated.
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"Disappointing considering the fantastic heritage..."
That.
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@Bats_Entertainment look at the high standards the brand used to have and then all of a sudden it becomes an investment to some bankers and all you need to do is look at the range for this year and you can see where it's going
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Erm, I was agreeing?
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I know just elaborating 😂
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SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL BAT-MAKER.
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Tk is my local bat maker ;)
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Tk is my local bat maker ;)
So you won't need to buy Newbery bats then?
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"Disappointing considering the fantastic heritage..."
That.
Indeed. And I would go as far as saying they have been the foremost and most forward thinking quality batmakers in the Country over a long period of time.
But things change and some of us the forum who are 'purists' don't run their Companies and don't have the responsibilities they do, it's a business first and everything else second.
We are so so lucky in England the choice we have, as other Companies get bigger and outsource someone else usually comes along hand making bats here. I don't know how long H4L have been going, or red ink, or B3 but none were around when I first started buying bats.
There absolutely nothing wrong with bats being made in India or Pakistan but we have many options here ourselves if that's what we want.
I can't say 100 per cent every bat I've ever bought is UK made but ideally it would be.
Others will disagree I'm sure and that's fine, I think if it's craftsmanship you crave, it's right here in England. :)
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http://www.cricketoriginals.com/blog/read_136083/the-5-famous-bat-makers-you-didnt-know.html (http://www.cricketoriginals.com/blog/read_136083/the-5-famous-bat-makers-you-didnt-know.html)
Just found this. Is it one of us?
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4 bats is an obsession? 😂😂 I wonder what he would think of @petehosk
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Indeed. And I would go as far as saying they have been the foremost and most forward thinking quality batmakers in the Country over a long period of time.
But things change and some of us the forum who are 'purists' don't run their Companies and don't have the responsibilities they do, it's a business first and everything else second.
We are so so lucky in England the choice we have, as other Companies get bigger and outsource someone else usually comes along hand making bats here. I don't know how long H4L have been going, or red ink, or B3 but none were around when I first started buying bats.
There absolutely nothing wrong with bats being made in India or Pakistan but we have many options here ourselves if that's what we want.
I can't say 100 per cent every bat I've ever bought is UK made but ideally it would be.
Others will disagree I'm sure and that's fine, I think if it's craftsmanship you crave, it's right here in England. :)
I fully agree with these comments, we all have choices, so we should not be disappointed when companies feel the need to import, in order to grow. However, I was interested to read just a couple of days ago in another thread, someone paying over £300 for an Indian bat. This highlights the next twist in the tale of bat manufacturing - as willow prices, wages and transportation costs rise, it seems inevitable that production will return to the UK. Small companies manufacturing now, and new ones setting up, are going to do well in the early 2020s. I recommend corralling and reserving willow stocks if you can!
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A good read that article next time i buy a bat im going to (try) to ignore looks and choose with the hands!
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A good read that article next time i buy a bat im going to (try) to ignore looks and choose with the hands!
I do. But use brands as a filter. I would consider any of the brands he mentioned, mainly because of what people have said on here.
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It not a new idea though. Isn't it what every coaching book tells you to do?
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Indeed. And I would go as far as saying they have been the foremost and most forward thinking quality batmakers in the Country over a long period of time.
But things change and some of us the forum who are 'purists' don't run their Companies and don't have the responsibilities they do, it's a business first and everything else second.
We are so so lucky in England the choice we have, as other Companies get bigger and outsource someone else usually comes along hand making bats here. I don't know how long H4L have been going, or red ink, or B3 but none were around when I first started buying bats.
There absolutely nothing wrong with bats being made in India or Pakistan but we have many options here ourselves if that's what we want.
I can't say 100 per cent every bat I've ever bought is UK made but ideally it would be.
Others will disagree I'm sure and that's fine, I think if it's craftsmanship you crave, it's right here in England. :)
With regard to outsoucing most of the UK Batmaking manufactures work with one another and have always done so.
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The Bottom line is this Guys
With there recent success in The Cricketer recently I am sure there is more than enough space in their full page spreads that they will be taking out to be able to explain where they are and , what they are doing my suggestion the sooner the BETTER
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@GDP1964 do you really think that considering how much emphasis they have/ do put on having their own "master pod shaver" and all handmade in Sussex that they are going to come clean and say yeh sorry guys we've actually kinda been getting them from India for a while now?
The sad truth is they will probably outsource to India and continue to sell at U.K. made prices, seems kind of reminiscent of the whole millichamp and hall saga
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I won't hold my breath.
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I'm struggling to understand why this is such an issue.
Some bats only get finished in U.K. due to cost.
Surely nobody is suggesting Asia cannot make cricket bats?
It increases choice in the market place & keeps cost competition tight - if u can spot a bat there's plenty of value out there.
Yes there is a need for transparency of provenance but brands are by their very nature smoke & mirrors (and stickers)
Finally why is their not such moral outrage over white goods?
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I'm struggling to understand why this is such an issue.
Some bats only get finished in U.K. due to cost.
Surely nobody is suggesting Asia cannot make cricket bats?
It increases choice in the market place & keeps cost competition tight - if u can spot a bat there's plenty of value out there.
Yes there is a need for transparency of provenance but brands are by their very nature smoke & mirrors (and stickers)
Finally why is their not such moral outrage over white goods?
The problem isn't bats being made in Asia. Take Millichamp and Hall for example, they market their bats as 'meticulously crafted by hand in Somerset' and have always charged a premium as such. Now, if you want a gun bat handcrafted in Somerset and are prepared to pay to get one, more power to you, particularly as they've always turned out good bats and built a reputation for doing so. However, based on that reputation, they charge £500 for a grade 2 of their flagship model. No doubt they'll be decent bats, but taking a quick look at a forum retailer, you can buy a grade 2 from the same batmaker (who are unlikely to claim their bats to be handcrafted in Somerset!) for £129. You don't see how that could be viewed as mugging people off?
As for white goods - next time you go choose a fridge based on whether it's handmade by a skilled craftsman or not, let us know ;)
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I'm struggling to understand why this is such an issue.
Some bats only get finished in U.K. due to cost.
Surely nobody is suggesting Asia cannot make cricket bats?
It increases choice in the market place & keeps cost competition tight - if u can spot a bat there's plenty of value out there.
Yes there is a need for transparency of provenance but brands are by their very nature smoke & mirrors (and stickers)
Finally why is their not such moral outrage over white goods?
You could search every post on the forum you would not find 'Asia cannot make cricket bats anywhere'. No one is saying that.
The problem is in the marketing, as you refer to 'transparency'.
out of interest how has it helped keep price competition tight? Are you saying it has worked to keep bat prices down, what price would they be without this competition? I'm trying to think how that has had any effect at all on prices of top end bats in 2017-or any recent year since they rocketed up
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I'm struggling to understand why this is such an issue.
Some bats only get finished in U.K. due to cost.
Surely nobody is suggesting Asia cannot make cricket bats?
It increases choice in the market place & keeps cost competition tight - if u can spot a bat there's plenty of value out there.
Yes there is a need for transparency of provenance but brands are by their very nature smoke & mirrors (and stickers)
Finally why is their not such moral outrage over white goods?
Cost competition tight? Yeah good one
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Cost competition tight? Yeah good one
I think its had the opposite effect. Creating the illusion of a new/premium product to fetch a far greater price. And then everything below that simply shuffles up a price point.
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Never wrestle with a pig
You both get dirty & the pig likes it.
Still one of my favourite quotes.
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The problem isn't bats being made in Asia. Take Millichamp and Hall for example, they market their bats as 'meticulously crafted by hand in Somerset' and have always charged a premium as such. Now, if you want a gun bat handcrafted in Somerset and are prepared to pay to get one, more power to you, particularly as they've always turned out good bats and built a reputation for doing so. However, based on that reputation, they charge £500 for a grade 2 of their flagship model. No doubt they'll be decent bats, but taking a quick look at a forum retailer, you can buy a grade 2 from the same batmaker (who are unlikely to claim their bats to be handcrafted in Somerset!) for £129. You don't see how that could be viewed as mugging people off?
As for white goods - next time you go choose a fridge based on whether it's handmade by a skilled craftsman or not, let us know ;)
Apologies. Soft goods. I got a bit excited watching the T20
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Firstly just because they are manufactured in India does not mean they must be cheaper maybe 5 years ago but not now . The factories producing these products are by far more modern their work force are by far much more Proffesional and skilled the end product is by far a lot better finished and presented too achieve all of this leads to one thing Extra Costs Their Batmakers without a doubt compete with all the other Batmakers Worldwide this costs . Willow prices have increased in the last 5 years by more than 60% and regardless of amount of Willow ordered there is no preferential pricing the Willow suppliers are no fools why discount a product when supply cannot keep up with demand .
Newbury have only just decided this year to outsource their bats they have not pulled the wool over anyone eyes YET they do have a chance to inform the Public and avoid having a fiasco M&H found themselves in I still can't get my head around them wanting to cut ties with a manufacturer who is plain and simple NEWBURY my guess is Ivory Tower owners want results profits and achieve these or we gone . My sympathy lies with the person tasked to do this in my opion if they continue on the path we think they are taking he is a dead man walking . In the next Few years you will see more Indian Brands setting up here in the U.K. And selling their Brand and it can't come any sooner because they will compete in quality and price they just need to make their customer service up to scratch
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Firstly just because they are manufactured in India does not mean they must be cheaper maybe 5 years ago but not now . The factories producing these products are by far more modern their work force are by far much more Proffesional and skilled the end product is by far a lot better finished and presented too achieve all of this leads to one thing Extra Costs Their Batmakers without a doubt compete with all the other Batmakers Worldwide this costs . Willow prices have increased in the last 5 years by more than 60% and regardless of amount of Willow ordered there is no preferential pricing the Willow suppliers are no fools why discount a product when supply cannot keep up with demand .
Newbury have only just decided this year to outsource their bats they have not pulled the wool over anyone eyes YET they do have a chance to inform the Public and avoid having a fiasco M&H found themselves in I still can't get my head around them wanting to cut ties with a manufacturer who is plain and simple NEWBURY my guess is Ivory Tower owners want results profits and achieve these or we gone . My sympathy lies with the person tasked to do this in my opion if they continue on the path we think they are taking he is a dead man walking . In the next Few years you will see more Indian Brands setting up here in the U.K. And selling their Brand and it can't come any sooner because they will compete in quality and price they just need to make their customer service up to scratch
very good points made there India can match Uk makers no doubt about that it just depends if you want to get it bespoke I guess..
Funny thing is whilst it is a decent mark up for Indian companies it not a massive pie for them in reality though..
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@GDP1964 if the difference between uk and Indian made wasn't big enough to justify the outsourcing do you think they would risk it?
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Newbery I believe have new owners and judging by the MKK failure were perhaps in some strife last year so I'd imagine outsourcing is likely a cost cutting exercise as lower grade bats have very low margins when made in the UK
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Also regarding who's doing UK bats, I'd be surprised if Aldred alone could meet demand for their top grades.
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They certainly should not risk it in their Top end Bats the difference in price is Marginal as Tom says lower end bats and Junior bats are very small in profit terms that's why not a lot of UK Batmakers make their own Junior bats and if they do their numbers are very small compared to Adult bats . B&S South Africa are the opposite they make 75% Junior to 25% Adult that's just the Market . Newbury do not cut ties with TK he is one of very few that can supply on a regular basis the quantity and quality required to uphold the Newbury name which has been around for years you have been told 😀
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It will be interesting to see if the brand Keeley takes off the quality I guess for all the brands who use them would certainly go down as he be using the best stuff for themselves surely..
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No Doubt your own Brand will always come First and will be very popular hence the reason to making our GP274 model Pro Willow only as I know in a year Tim will only sell me 4-5 of these clefts and moving forward probably none thereafter
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Other brands currently take what they are given i certainly know that I have to take a certain amount of diffrent weights and looks there is no picking out the best only from TK and re his current branding that will definitely be sorted out the pictures you saw were very much last minute put together they were printed and cut out on his home printer
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I've seen the new and nearly there stickers and I personally feel they are really good, nothing like the ones most will have seen
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It's all personal opinion but I really think once it's 100% ready they will be popular
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It's all personal opinion but I really think once it's 100% ready they will be popular
Without a doubt his reputation alone will make them popular.
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The average Fred will soon find out
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Does the average Fred know the reputation though or do they just see another named brand?
No of course not but his reputation goes beyond the average Fred and if he maintains the quality he's know for he could struggle to keep up with demand. Also there could be a retail demand for his products.
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The average Fred, probably couldn't care less, and just wants a decent bat that doesn't drop in bits if they toe end one and doesn't require the selling of an organ to purchase.
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No Doubt your own Brand will always come First and will be very popular hence the reason to making our GP274 model Pro Willow only as I know in a year Tim will only sell me 4-5 of these clefts and moving forward probably none thereafter
Correct me if I'm wrong, but your bats are 'made in SA', right? With exception of the GP model. Tell me, did you go to the trouble of updating the BS website to say this model was made overseas?
I don't see the difference.
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It wasnt clear from all the discussion here...do we know (from gossip is enough, dont have to be sure ;)) if TK is going to another major brand or will be starting his own?
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When we Launched the GP274 the first thing we did was announce that Mr Tim Keely was making this Bat for two reasons. With Tims Name attached to it we thought the Publics interest would increase which it did and secondly we did not want too mis lead anyone we felt their was no need to add this to our site in hindsight we should have it might have increased sales
I hope this answers your questions Rahul_k
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I'm sure someone will hit me with a stick as has happened in every other thread so far it's been suggested but he's going solo with a new brand
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When we Launched the GP274 the first thing we did was announce that Mr Tim Keely was making this Bat for two reasons. With Tims Name attached to it we thought the Publics interest would increase which it did and secondly we did not want too mis lead anyone we felt their was no need to add this to our site in hindsight we should have it might have increased sales
I hope this answers your questions Rahul_k
Did this appear on the BS website? Be so kind as to provide a link, if you could.
No personal issue here, but I see Newbery state very clearly that the lower grades are only finished in the UK. I really don't see how the issue is different. Do GN state obviously that 99% of their bats are made in India? I suspect not. If a batmaker outsources work, wherever that might be, if it is clearly stated, there should be no problem.
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Tim is Launching his own Brand when and where I don't know his words to me was he will do it in his own time
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Firstly just because they are manufactured in India does not mean they must be cheaper maybe 5 years ago but not now . The factories producing these products are by far more modern their work force are by far much more Proffesional and skilled the end product is by far a lot better finished and presented too achieve all of this leads to one thing Extra Costs Their Batmakers without a doubt compete with all the other Batmakers Worldwide this costs . Willow prices have increased in the last 5 years by more than 60% and regardless of amount of Willow ordered there is no preferential pricing the Willow suppliers are no fools why discount a product when supply cannot keep up with demand .
Newbury have only just decided this year to outsource their bats they have not pulled the wool over anyone eyes YET they do have a chance to inform the Public and avoid having a fiasco M&H found themselves in I still can't get my head around them wanting to cut ties with a manufacturer who is plain and simple NEWBURY my guess is Ivory Tower owners want results profits and achieve these or we gone . My sympathy lies with the person tasked to do this in my opion if they continue on the path we think they are taking he is a dead man walking . In the next Few years you will see more Indian Brands setting up here in the U.K. And selling their Brand and it can't come any sooner because they will compete in quality and price they just need to make their customer service up to scratch
If the cost difference is negligible, surely the question is, 'why bother'?
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If the cost difference is negligible, surely the question is, 'why bother'?
It will be down to the capacity of the UK manufacturing base not having the same capacity as the ones in India, Pakistan etc
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When we Launched the GP274 the first thing we did was announce that Mr Tim Keely was making this Bat for two reasons. With Tims Name attached to it we thought the Publics interest would increase which it did and secondly we did not want too mis lead anyone we felt their was no need to add this to our site in hindsight we should have it might have increased sales
I hope this answers your questions Rahul_k
I'm confused. 'We', you say. Who exactly are 'we'. Are you part of BS, or are you just a former sales agent for the UK? If the former, why did you leave, if the latter, surely you had no say in the business strategy?
Still looking to see where BS made an official nnouncement about a new batmaker.
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Tim is Launching his own Brand when and where I don't know his words to me was he will do it in his own time
As long as TK is making his own brand, then I wouldn't be too unhappy about happenings at newbery. His new brand will be my new "newbery"/replace my current newbery :). About newbery itself, I will see it as a new brand coming up which makes bats in UK and outside :)
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It will be down to the capacity of the UK manufacturing base not having the same capacity as the ones in India, Pakistan etc
But if, as claimed, cost is no different, why bother?
I will come clean here and admit that I know that PA produced around 100 bats for 'a brand in the south east' as far back as 2 years ago, but they were unable to pay, leaving him with a vast quantity of pre made bats to shift. I wonder if Newbery had been sniffing around prior to this season...
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But if, as claimed, cost is no different, why bother?
I will come clean here and admit that I know that PA produced around 100 bats for 'a brand in the south east' as far back as 2 years ago, but they were unable to pay, leaving him with a vast quantity of pre made bats to shift. I wonder if Newbery had been sniffing around prior to this season...
I don't think you get the point I was saying
UK factory has 20 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 100 in a day say?
Indian factory has 200 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 1000 a day?
UK will have less numbers to manufacture the product. India will have more staff as wages are cheaper. Only because the trade value isn't much different does not mean India can make bats cheaper and in higher quantity than in the UK
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I don't think you get the point I was saying
UK factory has 20 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 100 in a day say?
Indian factory has 200 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 1000 a day?
UK will have less numbers to manufacture the product. India will have more staff as wages are cheaper. Only because the trade value isn't much different does not mean India can make bats cheaper and in higher quantity than in the UK
So why then, unless Newbery were expecting a massive upturn in sales, did they change makers? At no point have I seen an indication that TK couldn't keep up with demand. Can you honestly say that Aldred in his garage can produce more top end bats than Keeley and his copy lathe?
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I think newbery have been messing Tim around with payment so it's more a case of him backing further and further away from them not them looking elsewhere due to cost/ supply issues
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Even if selling cost of bat made in India and Uk are same, cost to make is different for sure... though i am not sure where the higher profit in indian made bat goes or if the import duty is so high that profit margin remains same. Even if Uk factory has 20 ppl and indian factory too has 20 people, the salary of each person is quite low in the indian factory leaving higher profit margin to indian made bat if sold at same price as uk bat (unless the difference is going in the import duty to uk)
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So why then, unless Newbery were expecting a massive upturn in sales, did they change makers? At no point have I seen an indication that TK couldn't keep up with demand. Can you honestly say that Aldred in his garage can produce more top end bats than Keeley and his copy lathe?
Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.
TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.
The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.
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Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.
TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.
The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.
Like not getting paid for your work... that's quite a big issue
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Like not getting paid for your work... that's quite a big issue
That would be a big issue to most. I don't know the facts so can't claim to know anything. I am speculating to possible reasons. Rahul seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something.
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Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.
TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.
The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.
So private business matters, that have been turned into hyperbolic venom on here.
As I said, Newbery have been clear with their sourcing. They may not have sung it from the rafters, but who would? I really do not see what the issue is.
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That would be a big issue to most. I don't know the facts so can't claim to know anything. I am speculating to possible reasons. Rahul seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something.
And my only issue is why people are taking issue with Newbery's actions. Show me evidence of wrongdoing, and I will happily concede.
Non payment? Show me the proof. I'm all ears.
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did someone wake up on the wrong side of bed?
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So private business matters, that have been turned into hyperbolic venom on here.
As I said, Newbery have been clear with their sourcing. They may not have sung it from the rafters, but who would? I really do not see what the issue is.
Where has it been turned into "hyperbolic venom"
I seem people asking questions about where or who is making the new bats. I don't see anyone slandering anyone on here.
As for Aldred bats and people's views I am sure there have been people that have voiced their delight with bats made by him on here. Unfortunately when a bad review is made of any product it is always remembered in a greater capacity than all the good.
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Seeing as I'm not tk (or am I? ;) ) I don't have access to his accounts but I promise you that is what has happened
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Seeing as I'm not tk (or am I? ;) ) I don't have access to his accounts but I promise you that is what has happened
Start the rumour that @Bwcc is TK
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Can we all play happy families now?
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don't tell everyone... @RoCo Da Pixie
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Hi Rahul I am not a former agent I have not left and I am still selling and promoting the B&S brand here in the U.K. I did post about Tim Keely being the Batmaker for the GP274 here on the Forum when we were Sposors not sure if anyone from Admin can dig this up if its possible or even if it's allowed as I am no longer a sponsor , if you read my post I said Newbery have done nothing wrong Yet but if they are selling non UK made bats my suggestion is make an announcement or they could have the same problem M&H had if they so choose not too that's their decision I do hope your Sunday gets better
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Maybe the keeleys got pissed off being the main drivers behind a brand but didn't see the correct royalties for what they did.
The keeleys have help many a brand start up and even sold presses and helped in other areas
They have been consistent quality for a Long period I wish them all the best.
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Hi Rahul I am not a former agent I have not left and I am still selling and promoting the B&S brand here in the U.K. I did post about Tim Keely being the Batmaker for the GP274 here on the Forum when we were Sposors not sure if anyone from Admin can dig this up if its possible or even if it's allowed as I am no longer a sponsor , if you read my post I said Newbery have done nothing wrong Yet but if they are selling non UK made bats my suggestion is make an announcement or they could have the same problem M&H had if they so choose not too that's their decision I do hope your Sunday gets better
So to my original question, was there any official notification from BS regarding outsourcing?
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Let's be honest, I reckon most of us are more excited about the possibility of TK launching his own brand than we are miffed about Newbury changing batmakers, can't we just post about that? Gary makes a good point - even if it's a bit cheeky keeping it quiet, Newbury haven't done anything wrong and whether they want to make a big announcement or not is their problem (bet they don't though ha).
If we can post about it yet... ;) Does anyone know when more info might come into the public domain about Keeley Bats or whatever it'll be called?
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Maybe the keeleys got pissed off being the main drivers behind a brand but didn't see the correct royalties for what they did.
The keeleys have help many a brand start up and even sold presses and helped in other areas
They have been consistent quality for a Long period I wish them all the best.
I suspect that might be the crux of it.
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Let's be honest, I reckon most of us are more excited about the possibility of TK launching his own brand than we are miffed about Newbury changing batmakers, can't we just post about that? Gary makes a good point - even if it's a bit cheeky keeping it quiet, Newbury haven't done anything wrong and whether they want to make a big announcement or not is their problem (bet they don't though ha).
If we can post about it yet... ;) Does anyone know when more info might come into the public domain about Keeley Bats or whatever it'll be called?
Let's be honest, the original thread was only deleted because some of the Cenkos city buddies may have taken issue with it.
TK brand has been released to the public domain, I see no problem talking about it.
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So to my original question, was there any official notification from BS regarding outsourcing?
https://twitter.com/bellsmithuk/status/556194795367174144
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I suspect that might be the crux of it.
I would have thought so and maybe the prices for the white label the keeley where asking was higher than they wanted to pay maybe.
I have no affinity to either brand like the look of the stickers I saw on the keeley "Northeast" and would like to know more as a badger
I also think the keeley bringing there own brand out will be very good for UK makers and bespoke makers in the long run too
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Thank you Jake saved by Vitas again 😀😀
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Good and bad feedback gets posted on the forum, batmakers and retailers alike. If you have a good product and good service there not much to worry about from people's comments.it can I would think be a good selling tool.There a lot of good sellers and batmakers on the forum who don't mind dealing with the public direct, and those that don't want to,or don't have time, have good retailers(on here)
Here we are already talking about a potential new brand some of us would buy in a flash. That can only be good.
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https://twitter.com/bellsmithuk/status/556194795367174144
Awesome. Was a similar message given on the BS website, as I initially questioned?
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I would have thought so and maybe the prices for the white label the keeley where asking was higher than they wanted to pay maybe.
I have no affinity to either brand like the look of the stickers I saw on the keeley "Northeast" and would like to know more as a badger
I also think the keeley bringing there own brand out will be very good for UK makers and bespoke makers in the long run too
But Dave, we've been told Indian bats are no cheaper to buy in! ;)
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Thank you Jake saved by Vitas again 😀😀
Getting a sweat on, were we?
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is that you Vic?
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But Dave, we've been told Indian bats are no cheaper to buy in! ;)
By who I suggest they need to go to India to see, the margins have gone smaller but there still a margin
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is that you Vic?
Nah he was all over Indian brands.
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is that you Vic?
Is Vic there? ;)
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Lekka 😂
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Fast Eddie?
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A English bat costs around £110 pound to make included overheads that's the rough estimate with wages cleft handle and electricity the whole Shabang.
So 110 pound before it leaves a uk factory
That's roughly the same no matter what grade.
Now the sub continents overhead will be less.
So base price may be different plus profit
I suspect the maximum profit based on bats is around 22 per cent uk at the top end even less reduced lower down the grades you go.
Funny so many hardworking uk makers working over 50 hours a week are called greedy on here yet they don't drive a Ferrari
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Ah look, established members trying to rubbish a 'new' member for daring to differ in opinion. Just like I predicted yesterday.
I'm Uri (No Swearing Please) Geller.
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No Sweat cool as a cucumber we did post it online in our news section but as we update our news section regularly it won't be on there now Very Sorry for that while you on there who knows you might make a Purchase
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A English bat costs around £110 pound to make included overheads that's the rough estimate with wages cleft handle and electricity the whole Shabang.
That's roughly the same no matter what grade.
Now the sub continents overhead will be less.
So base price may be different plus profit
I suspect the maximum profit based on bats is around 22 per cent uk
But Dave, we're told how expensive top grade willow is these days...it's what allows breakaway batmakers to charge £550 for top grade, who 3 years ago left an established maker because they disagreed with charging £400 for top grade...
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Top grade wood is not not that more expensive than any other grade.
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No Sweat cool as a cucumber we did post it online in our news section but as we update our news section regularly it won't be on there now Very Sorry for that while you on there who knows you might make a Purchase
The only time I tried to buy a bat from you was when I requested pics of a certain model, and you sent me pics of a different model.
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Top grade wood is not not that more expensive than any other grade.
Talk like that will have you banned. :D
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The only time I tried to buy a bat from you was when I requested pics of a certain model, and you sent me pics of a different model.
what a fool I am I think it's called Alzheimer's my sincere apologies
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the base price will always be within 10-15 pound regardless of grade.
And in truth the base price is before you start paying big name players to use the kit.
That's the real truth the overheads then rocket when you paying a player say 50k a season
Imagine if you did you would have to recoup that money somewhere.
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Talk like that will have you banned. :D
I have been used in the industry the truth is the truth is the truth banned or not.
My question to you is how do you know my name !!!
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the base price will always be within 10-15 pound regardless of grade.
And in truth the base price is before you start paying big name players to use the kit.
That's the real truth the overheads then rocket when you paying a player say 50k a season
Imagine if you did you would have to recoup that money somewhere.
So taking the brand which you have associated with, which you tell us charges it's pro users full price, can you explain why they charge as much, if not more, that large brands which sponsor players?
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what a fool I am I think it's called Alzheimer's my sincere apologies
Not a reliable witness then, by your own admission...
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So taking the brand which you have associated with, which you tell us charges it's pro users full price, can you explain why they charge as much, if not more, that large brands which sponsor players?
No I can't and it non of my business as I'm not associated with any brand.
Maybe it could be a real USP though correct size and weight as asked but I'm digressing.
Ultimately people charge what they charge you either pay or don't.
And there a difference really between other people professionals wanting to use your bats and your own brand progressional a using.
I suspect you already new this though.
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Make for £110. Sell for £550. How is that 22% profit?
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Make for £110. Sell for £550. How is that 22% profit?
Who sells for that I'm saying the base is set around some charge more many do infant my figures are wrong your right
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No I can't and it non of my business as I'm not associated with any brand.
Maybe it could be a real USP though correct size and weight as asked but I'm digressing.
Ultimately people charge what they charge you either pay or don't.
And there a difference really between other people professionals wanting to use your bats and your own brand progressional a using.
I suspect you already new this though.
Was the early 'USP' of B3 to undercut the GM prices, claiming they left as the prices were unreasonable?
You may not have an association now Dave, but this is the brand you relentlessly promoted 12 months before that became sponsors, and then bought the forum...
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Who sells for that I'm saying the base is set around some charge more many do infant my figures are wrong your right
B3. 2016 crown price was £550.
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Was the early 'USP' of B3 to undercut the GM prices, claiming they left as the prices were unreasonable?
You may not have an association now Dave, but this is the brand you relentlessly promoted 12 months before that became sponsors, and then bought the forum...
Did they you will have to ask them,
Relentless I like that word
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Funny, I paid £110 for the last bat I bought. And it was made in the UK. I'm clearly a shrewd judge of how much things are worth!
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I think we have had enough now. Sorry to ruin the fun.
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Bat prices have gone crazy can't argue about it really and part of my issue with the industry
Indian prices have gone through the roof too especially import to the U.K.
Once over it was supposed Indian market and uk market bats but I Went to India to find that was misleading but if you don't go with a guide in India they do try it on but the price in the U.K for the same price.
But as this is about newbery I wish them and the keeley all the best and any uk maker even some I have no seen eye to eye with in a competitive market good luck
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I haven't been on here all that long and really enjoy sharing my lifelong enjoyment of the wonderful game of cricket with like minded souls.
The inside track on products is priceless & I love the contrary views; articulated eloquently.
It's fair to say I am a long time looker & occasional poster.
The fun bit it that we don't all see the world the same way - I think �129 for a G2 bat from smaller local bat maker is sensational value but I choose not to spend �300 on something similar from one of the big boys. That's my perogative.
I don't mind where it was made or who put the stickers on but my last bat was from a garage 5 miles from home & is lovel (and was under £150)
Newbury have clearly had to evolve their model as you all describe much better than me and if it means they not only survive but thrive I'm good with that.
Top end bats (and softs) are phenomenally expensive so I voted with my feet and there's no longer a certain West Country based company in my kit bag.
However that retailer is selling oodles of bats, has opened new outlets & has cornered the "money no object" segment despite concerns over hand made v hand finished
You can get a bat from �50 - �1000, we have never had it so good ;-)
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If people weren't prepared to pay silly prices, the brands wouldn't be able to charge them.
Everyone on here ought to be able to find a decent bat for less, or not much more, than £200.
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Was the early 'USP' of B3 to undercut the GM prices, claiming they left as the prices were unreasonable?
You may not have an association now Dave, but this is the brand you relentlessly promoted 12 months before that became sponsors, and then bought the forum...
Thought you were a newbie???
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What does everyone think of the 2017 newbery stickers?
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What does everyone think of the 2017 newbery stickers?
Personally I think they're awful. Should have stayed with what they had but added slight colouring to them.
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I'm sure they picked up 2.7 though.
He he ... these are actual words of paul --- Other thing I meant to say was if you want 2-7 feel you want 2-10 dead weight 😂 Does all bat makers suggest samething to their customers ? I didnt make up these words ... these are from the email paul sent to me.
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I think the look of most of the stickers for the last 2 years have been going south, the last ones I thought looked classy were the kudos, no garish neon colours, classy and simple
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Make for £110. Sell for £550. How is that 22% profit?
Make for £ 110 inc your wage and sell for £550 I am in the wrong job
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Does that £110 take into account, travel, overheads to the extent of insurance and losses such as clefts lost to storm damage during cracks pressing cracks etc? As well as you paying for the skill of the craftsmen
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Does that £110 take into account, travel, overheads to the extent of insurance and losses such as clefts lost to storm damage during cracks pressing cracks etc? As well as you paying for the skill of the craftsmen
all in all around 110 some maybe more some less.
it not exact but it not a million miles away..
How much does a Masuri stemguard cost to make.
How much does a Ferrari cost to make.
How much does a Lacost jumper.
Funny @Seniorplayer I know you roughly know what a cleft and handle and stickers cost..
Your now telling me you don't understand the figures.
I understand the crown and other top per cent of clefts charging a premium it a simply supply and demand.
The rest is inline I mean how much is a regular grade 1 from hawk is similar to Chase which is similar inline with many..
Is the whole industry too expensive ????
110 is the figure quoted by a unnamed source I was talking to this week not taking into account the brackages.
but if you figure most buy 2 and 3 the mark up isn't that much in reality.
the 550 I guess is the crown goes on exclusivity if your into that thing.
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I'm not arguing Dave and I realise there's got to be a decent mark up, why would you bother doing it otherwise at the end of the day it's a business. I think it's important to remember the big start up fees as well though sick as machinery bandsaws presses etc as well as the place itself
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I'm not arguing Dave and I realise there's got to be a decent mark up, why would you bother doing it otherwise at the end of the day it's a business. I think it's important to remember the big start up fees as well though sick as machinery bandsaws presses etc as well as the place itself
I can only quote this
if a shop sells for say 250
how much did the shop pay for the bat trade.
There most mark ups.
As for direct your right if there a new then all the machines and stuff costs.
I want to know the cost of a lacost jumper which I wouldn't buy because well I'm a tramp and prefer my kids clothed better than me
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end of the day not many makers drive massive cars live in big houses, most do it because they love it.
On this forum you see the passion from the brands because whilst they get decent sales and feedback reviews but my god it takes it time.
I do not knock anybody making a few quid in the tough, tough industry that is the market.
People can lie, people can talk crap but in the end they will be found out.
Good luck to all.
and for the people buying buy what you can afford and be happy be it a entry level or test level there some reeght bats to be had.
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People seem to think every cricket brand or retailer is out there to rip them off....people charge the prices they do in order to earn a living and pay their mortgage and overheads.
Some will be higher than others admittedly but I'm yet to see sports shop owners owning mega yachts and driving flash cars....more have gone out of business than anything!
I price my products at what I deem reasonable taking into account I need to earn a living from it and make it worth my while/time doing. Other brands might be cheaper if they don't rely on it as a sole income due to having a full time job and doing it as additional income.
As Dave mentions it comes down to your business model as well, if your sole aim it to sell B2C (business to customer) then your mark ups don't have to be quite as high. However if your aim to to sell B2B who then have to resell the product B2C then you both need to ensure a sufficient margin is made to make it worthwhile in you selling them the product and then being able to then sell the product to a customer. This is what might drive RRP's up if the cost price and therefore trade price increases due to increases in raw materials/labour etc.
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I want to know the cost of a lacost jumper which I wouldn't buy because well I'm a tramp and prefer my kids clothed better than me
Lacoste, Dave. ;)
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Lacoste, Dave. ;)
fair one... I can't afford one.
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Lacost are much cheaper but like Kevin Clein from the market 👍
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That was a fun hour spent reading 14 pages of nonesense.
So, who's the new bat maker again? Kevin Clein?
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That was a fun hour spent reading 14 pages of nonesense.
So, who's the new bat maker again? Kevin Clein?
Mr lucky lucky
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Mr lucky lucky
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This guy? I thought he was in the hats and/or glasses business?
I also heard a rumour he has his hats and/or glasses made elsewhere then claims they are hand made by himself.
I believe the gentleman in the background is questioning the provenance of his claims. And probably his choice of attire whilst he's at it.
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all in all around 110 some maybe more some less.
it not exact but it not a million miles away..
How much does a Masuri stemguard cost to make.
How much does a Ferrari cost to make.
How much does a Lacost jumper.
Funny @Seniorplayer I know you roughly know what a cleft and handle and stickers cost..
Your now telling me you don't understand the figures.
I understand the crown and other top per cent of clefts charging a premium it a simply supply and demand.
The rest is inline I mean how much is a regular grade 1 from hawk is similar to Chase which is similar inline with many..
Is the whole industry too expensive ????
110 is the figure quoted by a unnamed source I was talking to this week not taking into account the brackages.
but if you figure most buy 2 and 3 the mark up isn't that much in reality.
the 550 I guess is the crown goes on exclusivity if your into that thing.
No Dave I wasn't saying I don't understand the figures as you know I do I was just making light of it
As for charging the prices they to do to earn a living post and pay there mortgage and overheads like most people that comes out of my wage so if there's no sponsorship etc where after the £110.00 costs does the profit go now i could make a guess
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Does this have anything to do with it?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ05AGvB75K/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BQ05AGvB75K/)
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Hard to telll from that but it doesn't look like Tim to me
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Yes I agree it does not look like his work bench good luck to who ever it is
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Doesn't answer the question of who the master batmaker is but it does show that only the players + grade upwards are made in U.K. http://newbery.co.uk/collections/specialist-options?mc_cid=097fe6b3a7&mc_eid=d604537188 (http://newbery.co.uk/collections/specialist-options?mc_cid=097fe6b3a7&mc_eid=d604537188) .I guess this is the official announcement people are looking for (in so many words).Interesting to see that they take 10-14 days for one to be delivered ,does this mean Aldred makes their bats ;)
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Glad to see Newbery doing this, they could of got round the made in UK bit like some others do.
For many it won't matter where the bats are made but for some it will.
Bit of credit due to them IMO....
The days of some of the brands we grew up with being the same as they were has gone, things move on, business moves on.
There is still plenty of choice out there should you want a bat made here, and same for a bat made abroad or part made abroad.
Well done Newbery.The Mjolnir and the Uzi still two of the best bats made by any company. :)
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The GT was their best shape.
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£600 for 'pro' bat - Jesus Christ, where's it all going to end.
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Players + and SPS + are new grades. So their traditional 5* Players/ SPS shop grades are all made in India?
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Players + and SPS + are new grades. So their traditional 5* Players/ SPS shop grades are all made in India?
Looks very much that way .The way I see it is that they' re not new grades in terms of willow quality essentially the + just stands for made in England
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Basically, this is so they can keep their "Hand-making bats in England... since 1919" tag?
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Looks very much that way .The way I see it is that they' re not new grades in terms of willow quality essentially the + just stands for made in England
Doesnt seem to be the case. See the following from newbery site:
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0364/1041/files/grading-explained-2017.pdf?4879854140367476782
According to newbery, the plus grade across G1/G2/G3 will be
"These are premium selected clefts with added innovation and different treatments of the willow"
Basically, in all grades, the plus is a better willow in same grade, e.g. sps+ is better grade 1 than sps though both grade1. Similarly player+ is better Grade2 than player though both grade 2 etc.
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Another difference between plus and regular is in handles. Across G1/G2/G3, plus bats will have top quality handle.
While for regular (non plus) bats, the top quality is only in sps and pro with only "good" handle in lower grades.
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0364/1041/files/grading-explained-2017.pdf?4879854140367476782
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And this has supposed to have cleared things up?
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Kudos2 still has the 'special' pressing, have they passed the special secret on to
Aldred [insert new batmaker here]?
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Anyone else think this is by far the most confusing grading system ever?
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You'd have thought SF would have been capable of producing a 'pro' bat, wouldn't you?
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The use of + in grading confuses me, it's already confusing enough with people perception of what falls into G3/2/1 without adding in further + options.
Is it the fact that the + grades are priced higher again that regular G3/2/1 as I can't believe the willow supplier adds on an extra % when purchasing them if they've got 14 grains as opposed to 9 when selling a G1 for example.
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You'd have thought SF would have been capable of producing a 'pro' bat, wouldn't you?
Very True they do make and produce fantastic Pro Bats but think about it SF have just come into the UK in a big way Paul Motum has been tasked to promote and develop the brand here he is not going to let the Top grade Willow come in and be given to Newbery to Sticker up just look at the SF bats Uzi displayed on the Forum awhile ago Quality
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The use of + in grading confuses me, it's already confusing enough with people perception of what falls into G3/2/1 without adding in further + options.
Is it the fact that the + grades are priced higher again that regular G3/2/1 as I can't believe the willow supplier adds on an extra % when purchasing them if they've got 14 grains as opposed to 9 when selling a G1 for example.
To me it implies that English is better, which in my opinion palpably isn't the case.
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To me it implies that English is better, which in my opinion palpably isn't the case.
Was kind of my point. Can Aldred (?) really make a better bat than SF? My issue with this out-sourcing thing has never been the quality of Indian bats.
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To me it implies that English is better, which in my opinion palpably isn't the case.
Or more simply that English is more expensive?
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So, is a Players + better than a regular SPS?
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So, is a Players + better than a regular SPS?
Depends on whether you think a "superior" Grade 2 is better than a "normal" Grade 1 or not :D
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We all see the existing grades as
G1/G1+/G1++/G1+++ .....
G2
G3
G4
G5
So newbery must have thought why should the "+" be the sole proprietary of G1. Why not do the same for G2 and G3 (thankfully they haven't done it yet for G4 or below but I can see it coming). So they must have started the G2+, G3+ :)
Looking further down in future, given that ICC has seriously restricted cricket bat innovation by restricting edge and spine, the innovation is going to come from willow grading :D.. dont be surprised if you see grades as Grade 1.1, ...Grade 1.9, Grade 2.1, Grade 2.2 , ... Grade 2.9 etc where a computer takes in number of grains, number of knots, no of blemishes, blemish size, willow color contrast, etc etc and spits out the grade number via some formula :D
Retailers will be saying "so and so customer wanted specific bat shape in grade 2.7 but sorry we had one only in grade 2.6!"
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Depends on whether you think a "superior" Grade 2 is better than a "normal" Grade 1 or not :D
Well, technically, it isn't. But the Players + has been made by the 'superior' bat-maker.
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Edge and spine restrictions are not going to apply to us mere mortals for another 6-8 years so Willow grading and what retailers can supply or can't is a long way off
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Edge and spine restrictions are not going to apply to us mere mortals for another 6-8 years so Willow grading and what retailers can supply or can't is a long way off
Hope not my new 60mm edge 2-6oz bat wouldn't cut it....
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Edge and spine restrictions are not going to apply to us mere mortals for another 6-8 years so Willow grading and what retailers can supply or can't is a long way off
Sure, but I doubt any major brand will produce a bat which doesnt conform to ICC rules once it comes into effect.
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Sure, but I doubt any major brand will produce a bat which doesnt conform to ICC rules once it comes into effect.
Time for the smaller batmakers to cash in then, and supply that demand
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Ahem.....some brands offer quality UK made bats at competitive prices with clear grading processes. Often you might benefit from a bat you think might be G1 that's classified and priced as a G2 😁
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Ahem.....some brands offer quality UK made bats at competitive prices with clear grading processes. Often you might benefit from a bat you think might be G1 that's classified and priced as a G2 😁
With today's slick marketing rarely more so than often
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With today's slick marketing rarely more so than often
Guess that comes down to what brand you're buying from and the level of service they are looking to offer. Some brands set out to build a relationship with the customer to see them return for further business rather tha snatch their money once never to see them again.
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Sure, but I doubt any major brand will produce a bat which doesnt conform to ICC rules once it comes into effect.
Where do you think all brands make 99% of their sales not from the Proffesionals I can assure you Big Bats will be here for sometime still and available from all brands
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And if evidence proves it wasn't a massive factor?
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That's up to whoever makes the Rules
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That's up to whoever makes the Rules
I meant would it change demand.
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I don't think so a big bat in my opinion is more a confidence thing you look in golf you have to hit a long iron over water most golfers including pros would lay up since the introduction of hybrid clubs ieven the local village hack takes it on simply because he is confident with a bigger club smaller bats hit the ball just as far as bigger bats it's the mental side that gives the bigger bat the nod over the smaller one
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50 plus is still in the range for next season here.
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I am sure most brands will continue to make them the problem is getting the Willow B&S still have yet to find a 50+ Bat that is below 2.13 in weight
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I don't think so a big bat in my opinion is more a confidence thing you look in golf you have to hit a long iron over water most golfers including pros would lay up since the introduction of hybrid clubs ieven the local village hack takes it on simply because he is confident with a bigger club smaller bats hit the ball just as far as bigger bats it's the mental side that gives the bigger bat the nod over the smaller one
I think you are wrong there... My game improving clubs don't help my game at all :D ;)
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Theories come and go in cricket. And clubbies usually copy what the pros do - albeit in an often misguided manner.
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I don't think so a big bat in my opinion is more a confidence thing you look in golf you have to hit a long iron over water most golfers including pros would lay up since the introduction of hybrid clubs ieven the local village hack takes it on simply because he is confident with a bigger club smaller bats hit the ball just as far as bigger bats it's the mental side that gives the bigger bat the nod over the smaller one
I hate those hybrid clubs, give me a 4 iron all day!
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Guess that comes down to what brand you're buying from and the level of service they are looking to offer. Some brands set out to build a relationship with the customer to see them return for further business rather tha snatch their money once never to see them again.
My Post was more to do with grading getting tighter than building customer relationships.
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I was shocked to hear this brand change from its legacy bat maker. Always wished Newbery were sold in shops here in Australia.
their Indian bat maker is already here in hidden within another brand and not really comparable to the bats made in TK's workshop. Hopefully that changes as the brand resets.
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http://newberycricket.com.au/ (http://newberycricket.com.au/)
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I was shocked to hear this brand change from its legacy bat maker. Always wished Newbery were sold in shops here in Australia.
their Indian bat maker is already here in hidden within another brand and not really comparable to the bats made in TK's workshop. Hopefully that changes as the brand resets.
Who is their indian maker?
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Its hinted within the first posts @bostoncricketer. Keep looking till you triumph. : ;)
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They just put a picture up on their instagram it has to be Aldred
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(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170301-075007_zpsiw8jgfzl.png) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/Screenshot_20170301-075007_zpsiw8jgfzl.png.html)
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They just put a picture up on their instagram it has to be Aldred
Why?
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Definitely not TK I saw some updated Sticker sets for his new range they look good
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pauls posted the same picture on his facebook page
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I have a part made from an East Midlands maker that looks very similar.
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pauls posted the same picture on his facebook page
The lengths some people will go to!
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The lengths some people will go to!
i actually saw pauls fb post first, and you asked a question so you got an answer
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(http://i1063.photobucket.com/albums/t518/i12breakfree/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/_20170301_082703_zpsmpyx8coo.jpg) (http://s1063.photobucket.com/user/i12breakfree/media/CricDeals-stock/pro-bat/_20170301_082703_zpsmpyx8coo.jpg.html)
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Hard to argue that
surely check image hasn't been used before you post it
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I have a loooong bumper to bumper drive this morning.
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What qualifies you to be a 'Master' batmaker?
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What qualifies you to be a 'Master' batmaker?
I always assumed you had to vanquish the previous master, in order to take his powers.
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Very good.
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I always assumed you had to vanquish the previous master, in order to take his powers.
Never realized how much batmakers and sith lords had in common !
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Notice it's now been removed from Aldred's facebook... careful what you say, they're watching ;)
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I don't know why anyone pays any attention to what is said on a forum.
After all we are just a small insignificant representation of the cricket buying public.
Or are we? :)
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How are these bats pressed as the handle is in the middle of them all? Surely after the face is cut, nothing is pressed?
After looking again.....looks like the bottom 2 right are what I'm talking about...
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Notice it's now been removed from Aldred's facebook... careful what you say, they're watching ;)
Someone has the screen shot ;)
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I know who does their Refurbishments !
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I know who does their Refurbishments !
Are you going to share that information then... ???
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If you come play from my team on Sunday down in Eastbourne, then Yes!
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Haha as do I. It's another English batmaker.....
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Haha as do I. It's another English batmaker.....
Well thanks for clearing that one up.
Clearly mind tricks won't force the answer out of either of you...
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Well thanks for clearing that one up.
Clearly mind tricks won't force the answer out of either of you...
I suspect the force is strong with them Cam!
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I think the word you are looking for is 'farce'
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This is not the batmaker you're looking for....
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I'm the new batmaker
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I'm Batman 🦇
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No I am Spartacus...
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Has anyone seen a Newbery '+' in the flesh yet? Morrant's website says they have them in stock.
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Looks like Paul Aldred from Newbery video posted on their Instagram.
https://instagram.com/p/BU1o55Lhsu9/
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Definitely Paul
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£700 for a handmade from them
Glad I got the same bats for £200
I'm sure I've been to that garage as well
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I wonder how that sits with his philosophies on big brands charging too much ?
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I wonder how that sits with his philosophies on big brands charging too much ?
Not a fan of his "My way is best" views. Seems very arrogant and his followers on FB seem the same. They have some pretty strong words about the forum.
Makes nice bats but I would never buy one as I simply don't like the man.
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Now we know who will make Newbery bats with thick handles and 2-12+ weights :D
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Not a fan of his "My way is best" views. Seems very arrogant and his followers on FB seem the same. They have some pretty strong words about the forum.
Makes nice bats but I would never buy one as I simply don't like the man.
I have a similar opinion.
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Guess it's horses for courses
I've always found Paul quite a nice bloke and a good giggle and always had great service
A few other makers I've seen praised to the hilt on here I find arrogant and crap and would never use again
Different people I suppose
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So much for Paul's 'no BS' approach!
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I have a similar opinion.
Me three .
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£700 for a handmade from them
Glad I got the same bats for £200
I'm sure I've been to that garage as well
If i remember correctly previously an Aldred could be order for little less than 400 GBP. How did Newbery come up price tag of 700 GBP????
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Baffles me to think that Newbery actually believe 700 quid is an acceptable figure for a cricket bat, especially when their main selling point is the use of an online tool which is clearly just a rip-off of B3
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
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If i remember correctly previously an Aldred could be order for little less than 400 GBP. How did Newbery come up price tag of 700 GBP????
Got to pay off the debts somehow ;)
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£700 for an Aldred made bat!!! Or 2 grade 1's from anywhere else! What a conundrum!
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£700 for a handmade from them
Glad I got the same bats for £200
I'm sure I've been to that garage as well
GBP 700? Or 699.99? That's just insane!!!!
When all is said and done, for that kind of money (or less), I am heading to GN-AUS as they are making the best performing bats in the world!!!
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(http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u486/devlin004/For%20sale/F3385BF1-5560-4FA6-8053-2E4492BC9525_zps9yev8ny2.jpg) (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/devlin004/media/For%20sale/F3385BF1-5560-4FA6-8053-2E4492BC9525_zps9yev8ny2.jpg.html)
What's everyone's opinion on this....different warranties 'light, medium, hard' pressed bats :(
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first time me hearing it too be honest
may have to rethink selling one of my long blade aldreds now as market has gone up for them
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([url]http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u486/devlin004/For%20sale/F3385BF1-5560-4FA6-8053-2E4492BC9525_zps9yev8ny2.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/devlin004/media/For%20sale/F3385BF1-5560-4FA6-8053-2E4492BC9525_zps9yev8ny2.jpg.html[/url])
What's everyone's opinion on this....different warranties 'light, medium, hard' pressed bats :(
Correction: "Soft". :D
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I thought most bat makers nowadays believed that a bat is either pressed to an optimum level or it isn't, therefore all this hard, medium, soft stuff is rubbish and Newbery basically are gonna send up selling some bats which aren't pressed correctly (or at least not to the level needed for optimum performance)?
Of course I could be talking rubbish but that was my understanding of how the likes of B3, H4L etc. go about pressing, not hard/soft but each bat pressed individually for optimum performance.
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^ B3's rock hard pressing should be a category in its own. :D
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I thought most bat makers nowadays believed that a bat is either pressed to an optimum level or it isn't, therefore all this hard, medium, soft stuff is rubbish and Newbery basically are gonna send up selling some bats which aren't pressed correctly (or at least not to the level needed for optimum performance)?
Of course I could be talking rubbish but that was my understanding of how the likes of B3, H4L etc. go about pressing, not hard/soft but each bat pressed individually for optimum performance.
Basically should read not pressed enough, pressed, pressed too much. I press all clefts differently to get the best performance/ longevity. You may say some bats are pressed softer or harder than others, but that's only because some need more or less. I may run a bat through 5 times, maybe 6-7 but the aim is to get them all to a very similar level.
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Didn't Paul do a video on pressing, how he presses each bat to his requirements etc?
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It's a good way of getting out of replacing a bat if someone opts for the 'soft like the pros' myth.
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The most expensive bats on their website are £600
https://newbery.co.uk/products/pro-bat-heritage-range
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the senior bats have been streamed into two ranges, the Heritage and the Performance.
"•All Heritage bats are handmade here in England, by our trusted bat makers who are safeguarding the Legacy John Newbery created".
"•All Performance bats are hand finished in England".
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I thought most bat makers nowadays believed that a bat is either pressed to an optimum level or it isn't, therefore all this hard, medium, soft stuff is rubbish and Newbery basically are gonna send up selling some bats which aren't pressed correctly (or at least not to the level needed for optimum performance)?
Of course I could be talking rubbish but that was my understanding of how the likes of B3, H4L etc. go about pressing, not hard/soft but each bat pressed individually for optimum performance.
Doesn't make sense to me. A soft press bat with 3 months warranty. If at all, these bats are prone to break in the first months, if this bat survives 3 months, one would presume it would last...
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Basically should read not pressed enough, pressed, pressed too much. I press all clefts differently to get the best performance/ longevity. You may say some bats are pressed softer or harder than others, but that's only because some need more or less. I may run a bat through 5 times, maybe 6-7 but the aim is to get them all to a very similar level.
That was a much better explanation than mine but that's basically what I was trying to get at John.
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The most expensive bats on their website are £600
https://newbery.co.uk/products/pro-bat-heritage-range
Ah , the Bat Builder is in fact £699.99. Oddly, tucked away on the far right of the web site.
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Imagine if you spend your time choosing your perfect weight/profile/shape and you still end up with a thick handled 2.13 Bat...
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On Bat Builder:
'We are big believers in the feel and balance of a bat is more important than what it says on the scales. However, everyone knows what weight they like. We can offer all the weight ranges but be aware the weights available are dependent on the bat length and the shape you choose.
If you are unsure of what weight you are the generic weight players choose is the 2.9 mark. All our top end bats are made by hand and eye alone, this means that the balance and feel will be the best. No matter what it says on the scales your bat will feel lighter.'
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messaged Newbery about their phatom bat and they were honest to tell that heritage bats are made in uk and performance bats are made in india and hand finished in UK. So appreciate the honesty there .
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Well there's some value to be had...
Check out these new @Newbery_Cricket Phantom bats,handpicked today!Just £114.99 each! itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c… #NewberyCricket #NewberyFamily
http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/newbery-phantom-cricket-bat-p1923 (http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/newbery-phantom-cricket-bat-p1923)
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Does that even count as a profile? Stickers Also grim, get them off!!!
Nice grains though.
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Interesting that the bat builder page has a little video with Paul Aldred talking about the options and batmaking for every step... except the step where they let you choose whether to have your bat pressed properly or not, and just reuse an unrelated earlier video. I wonder what happened when they asked him to do a video explaining how 'a soft press means the bat is game ready'!
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Interesting that the bat builder page has a little video with Paul Aldred talking about the options and batmaking for every step... except the step where they let you choose whether to have your bat pressed properly or not, and just reuse an unrelated earlier video. I wonder what happened when they asked him to do a video explaining how 'a soft press means the bat is game ready'!
Good point . I guess both parties realised just how contradictory / hypocritical it would have been , seeing Paul's previous comments onthe subject.
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Where are these videos available, please? I can't find them :(
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It's a good way of getting out of replacing a bat if someone opts for the 'soft like the pros' myth.
And plenty will.
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Where are these videos available, please? I can't find them :(
https://youtu.be/ovNLO4yuKPA
https://youtu.be/bolaXSKgOYY
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The things people will do for money. :o
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Use of CBF- style 'opening-up' too, I see!
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I have just been blocked on Twitter by Newbery for saying that a bat is either pressed correctly or not, and asking what does soft pressed vs hard pressed mean.
All a bit weird.
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I have just been blocked on Twitter by Newbery for saying that a bat is either pressed correctly or not, and asking what does soft pressed vs hard pressed mean.
All a bit weird.
Doesn't surprise me.
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I have just been blocked on Twitter by Newbery for saying that a bat is either pressed correctly or not, and asking what does soft pressed vs hard pressed mean.
All a bit weird.
I have been blocked on Twitter by Newbery for asking where their factory happened to reside.
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And plenty will.
Yep, my thoughts entirely.
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Don't agree with Aldred on pretty much everything but he deserves credit for building up his business and is reaping the rewards by able to now make bats full-time. Good luck to him and Newbery.
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Don't agree with Aldred on pretty much everything but he deserves credit for building up his business and is reaping the rewards by able to now make bats full-time. Good luck to him and Newbery.
I'm curious as to what you disagree with, the brand or views?
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His haircut?
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I'm curious as to what you disagree with, the brand or views?
More the personal views and his approach. And what he thinks of the forum!
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I have just been blocked on Twitter by Newbery for saying that a bat is either pressed correctly or not, and asking what does soft pressed vs hard pressed mean.
All a bit weird.
It just proves my theory that CBF views are not palatable to people outside of CBF and such views are better kept to ourselves. :D
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If you're going to have passionate views about something, at least stick to them?
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Also: why is 'hand-finished in England' better than 'made in India'?
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I think hand-finished in England, basically means "stickers applied by on British soil".
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I think hand-finished in England, basically means "stickers applied by on British soil".
I realised that. But why is it considered a selling point?
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I realised that. But why is it considered a selling point?
I guess they are a brand that change high end prices for what is at least perceived to be a top end product, not necessarily something people relate to products made in india, rightly or wrongly.
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IMHO, I think being hand finished in the UK would have Newbery fall under a different tax bracket as they would be importing semi finished goods. Running a couple of hundred bats through their light sanding and polish buffing a day would constitute hand finishing in England.
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new video from Paul Talking about Newbery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHtgPgCpiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHtgPgCpiA)
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Fair play to Paul
Blokes a top batmaker and I wish him every success
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new video from Paul Talking about Newbery.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHtgPgCpiA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzHtgPgCpiA)
Fair play to him for being open and honest about everything.
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Fair play to him for being open and honest about everything.
I've always felt Paul comes across as someone who has integrity and honesty about his business and obvious passion for what he does.
Frankly some of the codswallop that people write on here smacks of pure petulance towards him.
I wish him all the best.
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Nice video. I'll perhaps take back some of what I said!
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I wonder if Chris Adams was the foot in the door...
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I can't help but think :
- if i want a classic newbery , i can buy a keeley .
- if i want a new newbery in a shape the batmaker actually is passionate about/fond of , i can buy an aldred .
- if i want an indian made bat , i can buy an s.s, s.g, bdm, s.f , ( or a millichamp....i joke , i joke ) etc , etc .
Newbery used to be one of those brands that i had never had , but i looked at them and often liked what i saw and thought 'one day i might get one of those' . But those days , for me , are long gone .
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I can't help but think :
- if i want a classic newbery , i can buy a keeley .
- if i want a new newbery in a shape the batmaker actually is passionate about/fond of , i can buy an aldred .
- if i want an indian made bat , i can buy an s.s, s.g, bdm, s.f , ( or a millichamp....i joke , i joke ) etc , etc .
Newbery used to be one of those brands that i had never had , but i looked at them and often liked what i saw and thought 'one day i might get one of those' . But those days , for me , are long gone .
This option is only available to less than 0.001% of the buying public, i.e. the forumites...for the rest, newbery is newbery...if that is not the case, kooka/gray nics/nb etc.. would all have been out of business by now in favor of sg/sondhi etc ...
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
Why?
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
Tread carefully, first posts can be a killer. ;)
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
I get your point , even agree to a small extent. Yep , I'm sure s.d.sondhi are in a better position than they would otherwise have been ... but if they weren't making bats for n.b et al they may have heavily invested in Protos brand promotion and we'd all be drooling over Joe Roots new Protos bat range . Sg don't need kooks and ss don't need anyone .They are both huge in their own rights .
I'm not sure how g.n fit in with all of this either . It is common knowledge to english non forumites that gn make their own bats in england , even though most companies dont . In oz it is common knowledge for non forumites to know that g.n oz makes their own bats . It is common knowledge in both countries that england produce/manufacture an english range and oz ditto . Here in Sydney i often come across cricketers who , on the surface , seem to only have limited bat knowledge, yet they can rattle off Stuart Kranzbuhler's name as soon as you mention gn , or particularly if you mention oz gn big bats .
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This option is only available to less than 0.001% of the buying public, i.e. the forumites...for the rest, newbery is newbery...if that is not the case, kooka/gray nics/nb etc.. would all have been out of business by now in favor of sg/sondhi etc ...
I have heard a few english club mates lament that Newbery 'ain't what they used to be' , 'lost that prestigious air to them' , 'seem more ordinary these days' etc , and i wouldn't put them in the 0.001% .
Gray nics out of business by now ? Yeah , like every other company like sg/sondhi etc have been making warners, halestorms and xp80s the last few years have they ? Gray nics also have generations of accumulated good will up their sleeve too . By contrast , if every n.b bat on the face of the earth vanished tomorrow, people would only miss them until they saw the next shiny new toy in Roots/Smiths/Stokes hands .
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
I totally agree with this statement. The investment by the overseas companies has massively helped the now big Indian brands. Having a constant revenue stream to help grow the business is imperative.
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This option is only available to less than 0.001% of the buying public, i.e. the forumites...for the rest, newbery is newbery...if that is not the case, kooka/gray nics/nb etc.. would all have been out of business by now in favor of sg/sondhi etc ...
This is so true
Over the winter, a guy that has used millichamp and all his life, bought his son a 600 quid nick Compton bat(can't remember code)
It is conclaves to hell.
I tried to have a conversation regarding how they ourchased(store visit or online etc) and they confirmed order online, they then seemed to get aggressive pretty fast when I suggested it may be Indian made.
I stop the convo pretty fast when the dad said "I have seen Mr millichamp make me several bats in person, and you can tell this bat has his distinct traits and character, it's clearly made by him"
If a guy doesn't even know Julian millichamp left ages ago, is there any point telling them.
Anyway, the bat pings and the kid scores runs with it, does anything else really matter??
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Where are these videos available, please? I can't find them :(
If you are referring to the videos in the Newbery bat builder site which feature Paul
Aldred, these are accessed via the small " i " button.
These can only be accessed in sequence once each choice has been picked.
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Thank you, Bats
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Thank you, Bats
What for?
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revealing the links to the Aldred videos
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Technically SG/FCS/SS/ would not be where they are now without Kooks/Puma/Adidas/GN/Slazenger/
No doubt kook/Gn/NB business helps SG/FCS etc grow their business..however, SG/FCS/SS don't need them to survive but can't be said the other way round, maybe they can maybe not, but for whatever reason (mostly financial), they chose to go the indian made route... GM is the only big name brand which are able to survive with their bats made entirely in UK and must be profitable as well but not sure if they are able to be as profitable as kook or GN (Would be interesting to know more on this). The few UK/Aus made GNs are only at very high price points, surely they wouldn't have been able to service the markets enough if they had only those ranges and nothing else.
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I have heard a few english club mates lament that Newbery 'ain't what they used to be' , 'lost that prestigious air to them' , 'seem more ordinary these days' etc , and i wouldn't put them in the 0.001% .
Gray nics out of business by now ? Yeah , like every other company like sg/sondhi etc have been making warners, halestorms and xp80s the last few years have they ? Gray nics also have generations of accumulated good will up their sleeve too . By contrast , if every n.b bat on the face of the earth vanished tomorrow, people would only miss them until they saw the next shiny new toy in Roots/Smiths/Stokes hands .
When I said Gn/kook would be out of business, dont mean to say GN/kook can't make quality bats themselves. In fact, the quality might have been even better but the prices they would have had to sell them would have put them out of the market....Surely, if GN made only the Warners/XP80s/50+ in Uk/Aus selling at 800AUD + etc (however good they might be), the numbers they sold wouldn't be enough to survive in the market..
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If a guy doesn't even know Julian millichamp left ages ago, is there any point telling them.
I love this!
"Excuse me, old bean. I can guarantee Mr Millichamp made this bat. Otherwise, why would it be £600?"
:D
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revealing the links to the Aldred videos
'Twas not I.
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Just bask in the reflective glory of the helpful.
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Anyway, the bat pings and the kid scores runs with it, does anything else really matter??
Yes, he's clearly a spoilt brat.
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(http://i.imgur.com/DfGaA2t.png)
Just saw this photo of their Heritage range on Facebook, very few batmakers do bats with shoulders like that.
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I'm stupid, but is that shoulder shape a native to Cambridgeshire?
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I think it could be their previous baTmaKer?!
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I think it could be their previous baTmaKer?!
Really?
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Really?
Are you capable of making any post without sarcasm? We know that you know everything, I was replying to the above post!
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I'm stupid, but is that shoulder shape a native to Cambridgeshire?
I know exactly what you mean Brucey!
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Are you capable of making any post without sarcasm? We know that you know everything, I was replying to the above post!
Sorry, I just thought the bats looked liked they might have been made by Hunts County.
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The shoulders do like very hunts county to me as well.
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May well be correct then? The Newbery Kudos I had, had a shoulder shape similar to this.
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May well be correct then? The Newbery Kudos I had, had a shoulder shape similar to this.
The binding is rather large which would push it towards HC. But I agree with your Newbery comment, my mates is the same, but the binding is much thinner.
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I can see where Andy is coming from, the scalloping at the shoulders of my TK made bats is a bit more subtle than this though
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So none of us know properly then?
Thomas?
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Everything Ive got in the world says made in Cambridge
Might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb
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So none of us know properly then?
Thomas?
I don't know for sure but those shoulders on a bat made in England would indicate Hunts, or a Hunts trained batmaker, to me.
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Several UK batmakers?
"John Newbery left a Legacy as the greatest ever bat-maker. We have several master bat-makers in England all dedicated to continuing it." (From Twitter.)
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I’ve never had or seen a TK with shoulders like that.......
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Thats some mark up on Hunt's prices if it is.
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Did you miss this 'story', fellas?
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I’ve never had/ seen a TK with shoulders like that.......
Where?
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Where?
Anywhere......
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Anywhere......
Yep, just had a closer look and I see what you mean.
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Paul Aldred tapping ball up on new video on Twitter?
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Someone put me out of my misery, please? It's not obviously him at around 1.00. Is it?
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Thought we established ages ago it was him making their bats now?
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Thought we established ages ago it was him making their bats now?
Well, not exactly. They have 'several UK batmakers'.
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They have someone else doing their repairs but he’s the person making at least some of their bats.
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I thought the video was interesting because there was for the first time a full profile shot of "the batmaker'. It's not instantly recognisable as Paul though.
They have abandoned the '+' thing, which seems to mean that all their bats apart from the 'Performance' range are once again UK made. I wouldn't have thought it possible for Paul alone to turn out that many.
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How many bats would they make?
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Fewer than they used to?
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Newbery's still a fairly high-profile brand?
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Newbery's still a fairly high-profile brand?
How many did you see being used last year?
And how many of those were recent models?
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How many did you see being used last year?
And how many of those were recent models?
I don't take the cricketing circles I mix in as being very typical of anything. But I'll give you that I didn't see many. Certainly not as many as Sports Direct Slazengers.
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I don't take the 'cricketing' circles I mix in as being very typical of anything. But I'll give you that I didn't see many. Certainly not as many as Sports Direct Slazengers.
I've seen a steady decline in the number of Newbery bats over the last few seasons.
I don't know if that's down to the increase in price or because people don't like the new stickers, but there definitely aren't as many around as they're used to be
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In the cricketing 'circles' I frequent i see... One.
A 20 year old Mjolnir (no IJC pronunciations pleeeease) I got for a team mate which is patched,filled and fibreglass taped to hell
But still goes fantastic.
I won't say old bats are made better than new ones because that could start a war and its Christmas.
I picked up a TK made blank last season but I'm not classing that as a Newbery. :)
Might be used regularly in the Sussex leagues thou.
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I no longer use one. ;)
But most of the big retailers still seem to stock them? Not long ago someone said TK was involved again?
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In the cricketing 'circles' I frequent i see... One.
A 20 year old Mjolnir (no IJC pronunciations pleeeease)
Paul at IJC told me that his pronounciation was the one used by Newbery.
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Newbury GT 5 star, from Vitas circa 2013 = best bat i've ever had!
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I wouldn’t say high profile brand... in UK maybe but nowhere else. Certainly very minimal in Australia
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I wouldn’t say high profile brand... in UK maybe but nowhere else. Certainly very minimal in Australia
I think Newbery is a different company in Australia.
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I think Newbery is a different company in Australia.
Yes it is... I was referring to the few UK ones that would have made there way here... Also why I wouldn’t have considered them a high profile brand
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Should be pronounced meeol-nir not sure how ijc or anyone else does it.
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Should be pronounced meeol-nir not sure how ijc or anyone else does it.
I can't be the only one who has been saying it wrong for years :)
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I can't remember how I was told it was pronounced. But I remember it was Paul that told me, and it was not as I expected.
It's not a word that I regularly use in conversation.
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Paul pronounced it Ma-Jol-nere
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Can’t remember my phonetic symbols, but as it’s a Norse/Norwegian word it would be spelt Mjølnir(or Mjølnar) and pronounced something like mmm-yol-neer.
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From my Norse myth (which I lost part of my youth) above is how I know it to be pronounced
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No wonder they've stopped making it. (Have they?)
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Mjolnir is Thor's hammer, I've always heard it (from school) and pronounced it as Moel-neer similar to the "oe" sound from an o with an umlaut in German.