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[Rahul_K]

Firstly just because they are manufactured in India does not mean they must be cheaper maybe 5 years ago but not now . The factories producing these products are by far more modern their work force are by far much more Proffesional and skilled the end product is by far a lot better finished and presented  too achieve all of this leads to one thing Extra Costs  Their Batmakers without a doubt compete with all the other Batmakers Worldwide  this costs . Willow prices have increased in the last 5 years by more than 60% and regardless of amount of Willow ordered there is no preferential pricing the Willow suppliers are no fools why discount a product when supply  cannot keep up with demand .


Newbury have only just decided this year to outsource their bats they have not pulled the wool over anyone eyes YET they do have a chance to inform the Public and avoid having a fiasco M&H found themselves in I still can't get my head around them wanting to cut ties with a manufacturer who is plain and simple NEWBURY my guess is Ivory Tower owners want results  profits and achieve these or we gone . My sympathy lies with the person tasked to do this in my opion if they continue on the path we think they are taking he is a dead man walking . In the next Few years you will see more Indian Brands setting up here in the U.K. And selling their Brand and it can't come any sooner because they will compete in quality and price they just need to make their customer service up to scratch

If the cost difference is negligible, surely the question is, 'why bother'?

[RoCo Da Pixie]

If the cost difference is negligible, surely the question is, 'why bother'?

It will be down to the capacity of the UK manufacturing base not having the same capacity as the ones in India, Pakistan etc

[Rahul_K]

When we Launched the GP274 the first thing we did was announce that Mr Tim Keely was making this Bat for two reasons. With Tims Name attached to it we thought the Publics interest would increase which it did and secondly we did not want too mis lead anyone  we felt their was no need to add this to our site in hindsight we should have it might have increased sales
I hope this answers your questions Rahul_k

I'm confused. 'We', you say. Who exactly are 'we'. Are you part of BS, or are you just a former sales agent for the UK? If the former, why did you leave, if the latter, surely you had no say in the business strategy?

Still looking to see where BS made an official nnouncement about a new batmaker.

[adb club cricketer]

Tim is Launching his own Brand when and where I don't know his words to me was he will do it in his own time

As long as TK is making his own brand, then I wouldn't be too unhappy about happenings at newbery.  His new brand will be my new "newbery"/replace my current newbery .  About newbery itself, I will see it as a new brand coming up which makes bats in UK and outside 

[Rahul_K]

It will be down to the capacity of the UK manufacturing base not having the same capacity as the ones in India, Pakistan etc

But if, as claimed, cost is no different, why bother?

I will come clean here and admit that I know that PA produced around 100 bats for 'a brand in the south east' as far back as 2 years ago, but they were unable to pay, leaving him with a vast quantity of pre made bats to shift. I wonder if Newbery had been sniffing around prior to this season...

[RoCo Da Pixie]

But if, as claimed, cost is no different, why bother?

I will come clean here and admit that I know that PA produced around 100 bats for 'a brand in the south east' as far back as 2 years ago, but they were unable to pay, leaving him with a vast quantity of pre made bats to shift. I wonder if Newbery had been sniffing around prior to this season...

I don't think you get the point I was saying

UK factory has 20 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 100 in a day say?
Indian factory has 200 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 1000 a day?

UK will have less numbers to manufacture the product. India will have more staff as wages are cheaper. Only because the trade value isn't much different does not mean India can make bats cheaper and in higher quantity than in the UK

[Rahul_K]

I don't think you get the point I was saying

UK factory has 20 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 100 in a day say?
Indian factory has 200 staff capable of shaping bats, sanding etc - Can make 1000 a day?

UK will have less numbers to manufacture the product. India will have more staff as wages are cheaper. Only because the trade value isn't much different does not mean India can make bats cheaper and in higher quantity than in the UK

So why then, unless Newbery were expecting a massive upturn in sales, did they change makers? At no point have I seen an indication that TK couldn't keep up with demand. Can you honestly say that Aldred in his garage can produce more top end bats than Keeley and his copy lathe?

[Bwcc]

I think newbery have been messing Tim around with payment so it's more a case of him backing further and further away from them not them looking elsewhere due to cost/ supply issues

[adb club cricketer]

Even if selling cost of bat made in India and Uk are same, cost to make is different for sure... though i am not sure where  the higher profit in indian made bat goes  or if the import duty is so high that profit margin remains same. Even if Uk factory has 20 ppl and indian factory too has 20 people, the salary of each person is quite low in  the indian factory leaving higher profit margin to indian made bat if sold at same price as uk bat (unless the difference is going in the import duty to uk)

[RoCo Da Pixie]

So why then, unless Newbery were expecting a massive upturn in sales, did they change makers? At no point have I seen an indication that TK couldn't keep up with demand. Can you honestly say that Aldred in his garage can produce more top end bats than Keeley and his copy lathe?

Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.

TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.

The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.

[Bwcc]

Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.

TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.

The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.

Like not getting paid for your work... that's quite a big issue

[RoCo Da Pixie]

Like not getting paid for your work... that's quite a big issue

That would be a big issue to most. I don't know the facts so can't claim to know anything. I am speculating to possible reasons. Rahul seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something.

[Rahul_K]

Far as I am aware only the top end SPS range are going to be UK made from an unofficial source.

TK only handmade a small amount of bats. Vast majority would have been done via CNC.

The import and quantity they are able to get abroad must be a better saving than what the previous agreement with TK was. Or there has been an issue between the two parties which has caused friction and the relationship to finish.

So private business matters, that have been turned into hyperbolic venom on here.

As I said, Newbery have been clear with their sourcing. They may not have sung it from the rafters, but who would? I really do not see what the issue is.

[Rahul_K]

That would be a big issue to most. I don't know the facts so can't claim to know anything. I am speculating to possible reasons. Rahul seems to have a bee in his bonnet about something.

And my only issue is why people are taking issue with Newbery's actions. Show me evidence of wrongdoing, and I will happily concede.

Non payment? Show me the proof. I'm all ears.

[Bwcc]

did someone wake up on the wrong side of bed?