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Title: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 07, 2017, 01:40:45 PM
The spinners discussion on the cook standing down thread got me thinking who is the best player never to represent brute country

I'll start with my 2p worth

James hildreth and Glenn Chappell must be up there

And until he was picked for t20s recently Michael kilnger must have been one of the better players to not have played for Australia
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on February 07, 2017, 01:43:38 PM
Kevin Pietersen
Awesome talent, can't believe he never got to play for South Africa...
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: wasted_talent on February 07, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
Kevin Pietersen
Awesome talent, can't believe he never got to play for South Africa...

 :D
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: wasted_talent on February 07, 2017, 01:46:44 PM
Tabish Khan... till date not represented Pakistan. Yet has some very impressive bowling stats.

Oh and add Sadaf Hussain to that list too  :D
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: csnew on February 07, 2017, 01:47:10 PM
Least Klinger finally gets an aussie call up! about time!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 01:57:55 PM
Kevin Pietersen
Awesome talent, can't believe he never got to play for South Africa...

funny enough to bring a wry smile this post!! :)
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 01:59:49 PM
forget England

Stuart Law.......and before the stattos on the forum say 'sorry he played one test'

oh come on, really.behave.

Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: 19reading87 on February 07, 2017, 02:03:14 PM
The spinners discussion on the cook standing down thread got me thinking who is the best player never to represent brute country

I'll start with my 2p worth

James hildreth and Glenn Chappell must be up there

And until he was picked for t20s recently Michael kilnger must have been one of the better players to not have played for Australia

Glenn Chappell played 1 ODI
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 07, 2017, 02:04:51 PM
forget England

Stuart Law.......and before the stattos on the forum say 'sorry he played one test'

oh come on, really.behave.

Alternative facts!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 07, 2017, 02:07:39 PM
Glenn Chappell played 1 ODI
Yes the the Glenn Chappell post had me thinking sure I d seen him in an England shirt.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Mr_Orange on February 07, 2017, 02:08:52 PM
forget England

Stuart Law.......and before the stattos on the forum say 'sorry he played one test'

oh come on, really.behave.
There are so many Aussies from that generation that didn't get a fair go in Test cricket by playing at all or having a very limited record (Hodge, Law, Love, D Hussey, Di Venuto, Cox, Siddons etc) and then those who had to wait until they were older for a decent run (M Hussey, Rogers).

From an England point of view, more recently Hildreth has been unlucky and before that players like Mal Loye and Glen Chapple.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 02:09:27 PM
Alternative facts!

very amusing touché..... :)
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Vitas Cricket on February 07, 2017, 02:12:57 PM
There are so many Aussies from that generation that didn't get a fair go in Test cricket by playing at all or having a very limited record (Hodge, Law, Love, D Hussey, Di Venuto, Cox, Siddons etc) and then those who had to wait until they were older for a decent run (M Hussey, Rogers).

From an England point of view, more recently Hildreth has been unlucky and before that players like Mal Loye and Glen Chapple.

The wait to see Mal Loye in an England shirt was worth it, slog sweeping Brett Lee for 6 takes some doing.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 07, 2017, 02:17:17 PM
The wait to see Mal Loye in an England shirt was worth it, slog sweeping Brett Lee for 6 takes some doing.

With a 2lb 5oz bat... (apparently)

David Sales is the one who springs to mind.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 07, 2017, 02:20:30 PM
forget England

Stuart Law.......and before the stattos on the forum say 'sorry he played one test'

oh come on, really.behave.

"sorry he played one test"





"and 50odd ODI's"    :D
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 02:36:15 PM
"sorry he played one test"





"and 50odd ODI's"    :D

ive gone for a vape  :)
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: alexhilly1492 on February 07, 2017, 02:48:52 PM
Kevin Pietersen
Awesome talent, can't believe he never got to play for South Africa...

You could also list Strauss, prior, Jennings, Compton, trott etc in this category
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: GoodLeave on February 07, 2017, 03:09:18 PM
Gary Pratt.

I bet Punter still hasn't forgiven him.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on February 07, 2017, 04:27:35 PM

"and 50odd ODI's"    :D

To be fair, it's quite understandable that, in modern cricket, someone could have played 50 ODIs without anyone noticing.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: northernboy1987 on February 07, 2017, 04:45:09 PM
To be fair, it's quite understandable that,
in modern cricket, someone could have played 50 ODIs without anyone noticing.

Oh I know, I just like winding Carlo up :D
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 04:56:59 PM
Oh I know, I just like winding Carlo up :D

Haha......im getting @Churchy1989 I hit the keyboards with the first thing that comes into my head, I did like what @Alvaro posted 'alternative facts'

 :)
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Mtown Don on February 07, 2017, 05:09:56 PM
Vince van der Bijl
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 05:12:25 PM
Vince van der Bijl

Good shout

think he played for Middx back in the day and scared batsmen witless
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Mtown Don on February 07, 2017, 05:36:56 PM
Good shout

think he played for Middx back in the day and scared batsmen witless
That's the one. Only read about him in Simon Hughes' book and checked his stats which are amazing. Apparently Brearley was really underwhelmed at the signing to replace Wayne Daniel but he ended up topping the national averages and they won the double!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Churchy1989 on February 07, 2017, 07:41:44 PM
Haha......im getting @Churchy1989 I hit the keyboards with the first thing that comes into my head, I did like what @Alvaro posted 'alternative facts'

 :)

@ppccopener no idea what's going on......
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: edge on February 07, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
In the modern era, Klinger. Unless he gets in the XI next week or whenever it is. Along with Stuart Law and Mal Loye in the didn't play for his country but actually did category, Paul Nixon!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 07, 2017, 08:31:04 PM
Of the current generation I think Sam Northeast has been unlucky, especially when our one day sides a year or so back we're so pants.
James Kirtley as well was a fantastic bowler not sure he ever played internationally either
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 07, 2017, 08:49:30 PM
Good shout

think he played for Middx back in the day and scared batsmen witless

Seeing the Vincent van der post and the reasons why  caused me  to think of  a world class South African : Clive Rice.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 07, 2017, 08:52:01 PM
Kevin Pietersen
Awesome talent, can't believe he never got to play for South Africa...

You could add Robin Smith and Allan Lamb Tony Greig
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 07, 2017, 09:01:28 PM
Seeing the Vincent van der post and the reasons why  caused me  to think of  a world class South African : Clive Rice.

Clive Rice was South Africa's first captain on readmission.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 09:02:24 PM
@ppccopener no idea what's going on......

It's alright Churchy ignore me, ive had a bit of a random day on the forum, if anything gets posted about Kevin bloomin Pieterson I start posting inaccurate random stuff. We've all been there thou right?

Look forward to our next duel at practice, my aim is to get the ball down there faster than it comes back (http://)
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: sfa82 on February 07, 2017, 09:03:48 PM
Seeing the Vincent van der post and the reasons why  caused me  to think of  a world class South African : Clive Rice.

Clive Rice did play for South Africa when we were readmitted to international cricket and captained the team to India if I recalled correctly.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 07, 2017, 09:04:31 PM
@SOULMAN1012

Kirtley played a fair bit for England, got a sixfer in Tests, this catch in ODIs https://youtu.be/Gh6CI142pus and played in the first World T20

Not bad for a chucker
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: ppccopener on February 07, 2017, 09:09:52 PM
Nothing is getting past Alvaro on the qualification in this thread  :)

Ok I known this does not really qualify Because he did very briefly play for SA(I think it was just a couple of tests) but Barry Richards was robbed of being possibly the best ever batsman for South Africa.

Yes he was that good just happened to be at his peak in an era of sporting wilderness

There may not be that many on here old enough but would encourage some you tube clips of him.

Truly a beautiful player with immense talent.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 07, 2017, 09:11:45 PM
He played four @ppccopener 😉

I'll get my coat.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: edge on February 07, 2017, 09:23:02 PM
@SOULMAN1012

Kirtley played a fair bit for England, got a sixfer in Tests, this catch in ODIs https://youtu.be/Gh6CI142pus and played in the first World T20

Not bad for a chucker
Remember that, hell of a catch!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Aussiecollector on February 07, 2017, 09:31:55 PM
how about ex England bowling coach david saker along with his onetime bowling partner Damien wright , both awesome on their day , very unlucky not to have baggy green caps , I know wright played for the PM's XI & Aust A ,  but should have got to run on for the  test team.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Seniorplayer on February 07, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
Clive Rice was South Africa's first captain on readmission.

I was thinking of tests rather than the 3 ODIs  he played
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Biggie Smalls on February 08, 2017, 11:16:19 AM
In hindsight , James Hopes probably deserved a test cap at some stage . He was diminutive in size and thus underrated as a bowler , but he had enough pace , could swing it , and even opened the bowling for qld on occasion.  His late middle order batting was handy too . When guys like Ronald MacDonald can get a test gig ( don't get me wrong , i rated him too ....good player ) then surely Hopes could have got a turn . It's not like Watson never got injured or anything .
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on February 08, 2017, 11:18:59 AM
@SOULMAN1012

Kirtley played a fair bit for England, got a sixfer in Tests, this catch in ODIs https://youtu.be/Gh6CI142pus and played in the first World T20

Not bad for a chucker

My bad ooops
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Kieron_BT on February 08, 2017, 11:37:40 AM
Darren Stevens? Can't believe he has never played any one day cricket for England with his all round ability.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Manormanic on February 08, 2017, 07:19:16 PM
On the basis that it is difficult to say that anyone under the age of 35 won't still get a chance, I'm sticking for oldies.

Of England qualified players in recent times, I reckon you'd do well to find someone more unlucky than David Sales.  A player of immense talent and no little power, he always seemed to get injured at the wrong time.  More important, unlike some prolific first class performers who look unsuited to the top level, he looked like he was perfect for it.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for they're coubtry
Post by: Alvaro on February 08, 2017, 07:27:02 PM
With a 2lb 5oz bat... (apparently)

David Sales is the one who springs to mind.

He's a wise man, Manormanic.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Pozza on February 09, 2017, 04:13:50 AM
Franklyn Stephenson
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Bwcc on March 05, 2017, 07:25:39 AM
@SOULMAN1012 James kirtley played for England in tests and odi's, he now plays occasionally for a local Sunday team
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Woodyspin on March 05, 2017, 01:34:17 PM
@SOULMAN1012 James kirtley played for England in tests and odi's, he now plays occasionally for a local Sunday team

Really who?
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Bwcc on March 05, 2017, 01:38:12 PM
He plays once in a while for burwash village less so since he took up the England women's coaching
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Neon Cricket on March 06, 2017, 12:22:21 PM
How have we managed 4 pages without mentioning the main man himself?? How he's never got a cap in T20/ODIs is beyond me.

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Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on March 06, 2017, 02:50:02 PM
How have we managed 4 pages without mentioning the main man himself?? How he's never got a cap in T20/ODIs is beyond me.

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Doesn't he have a bit of a cult following?
I can never decide if he's unlucky never to be capped, or his fans are just overselling his talent!
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: GoodLeave on March 06, 2017, 02:56:02 PM
Doesn't he have a bit of a cult following?
I can never decide if he's unlucky never to be capped, or his fans are just overselling his talent!

More tattoo than man.

Also, not sure if "Unlucky" is an unfortunate phrase given his personalised GN Bat...
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Manormanic on March 06, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
Doesn't he have a bit of a cult following?
I can never decide if he's unlucky never to be capped, or his fans are just overselling his talent!

Five years younger, he would probably have gotten a go in the shorter formats - but he was just that bit too old for a punt selection by the time England got wise to the idea that horses for courses didn't have to just mean picking Mike Smith for the Headingley test.  His bowling has gone off a bit recently.
Title: Re: Best players never to play for their country
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on March 06, 2017, 08:36:54 PM
Chippy Williams.