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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: Biggie Smalls on March 18, 2017, 02:31:50 PM
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I was talking to the two English imports in my side during a rain delay today re which attack would England least like to face come this years first test at the Gabba . With Pattinson back playing shield , bowling quick and taking wickets , and with Cummins taking wickets in the shield and now the 3rd test vs India , I have been wondering the best bowling configuration for the first ashes test .
Would you consider (assuming all are fit and available ) Starc , Hazlewood , Lyon , Bird/Cummins/Pattinson ( with possibly a crappy pace bowling allrounder , like M.Marsh at 6) oz's best attack (or the one that would worry you most ) ? Or , would this attack be more concerning : Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins , Pattinson ( with possibly a spin bowling allrounder , like Maxwell, at 6 ) ? Personally , im leaning towards the latter .
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As much pace as possible, this team is very poor vs the short ball.. pepper the crap out of them with genuine pace like 2013
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If I were Oz, thinking purely about the bowling, I'd pick the obvious three plus one of Cummins/Pattinson if you can get them fit and Mitchell Marsh - Bird isn't gonna bother English batsmen and Marsh is a genuinely good 4th seamer. Whether you can put up with the lack of runs at 6 though! Is that Cartwright lad fully out of contention now? Did think his batting looked pretty tidy in his one test. Cummins looks far more of a threat than Pattinson from what I've seen, is that a fair assessment?
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Please dear god let Mitch Marsh still be in the side anyway. A very mediocre 4th seamer and not much of a bat either.
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Clearly obvious choice would be Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Pattinson. Probably open up with hazlewood and Pattinson. Starc and cummins are better with the older ball. Maxwell averages 40 in fc so derserves a run at 6. Cartwright probably next in line as he averages 50
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Cummins is great but will he be fit!!!
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Does anybody think that if they were all fit the Aussies would play a 5 man attack of Pattinson, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins with Lyon as the spinner?
Or would playing all four quicks mean a spinning allrounder such a Maxwell would have to play to keep the 7/4 split of Bats/allrounders/keepers vs Bowlers
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Am I the only one that doesn't rate Hazelwood at all?
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Am I the only one that doesn't rate Hazelwood at all?
116 wickets at an average of 24 and economy rate of 2.8. An extremely accurate bowler..... Are you serious?
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Am I the only one that doesn't rate Hazelwood at all?
He didn't do well in eng last time but he's a consistent performer and as number 4 says.. accurate. Certainly better than half of what England produce.
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If I were Oz, thinking purely about the bowling, I'd pick the obvious three plus one of Cummins/Pattinson if you can get them fit and Mitchell Marsh - Bird isn't gonna bother English batsmen and Marsh is a genuinely good 4th seamer. Whether you can put up with the lack of runs at 6 though! Is that Cartwright lad fully out of contention now? Did think his batting looked pretty tidy in his one test. Cummins looks far more of a threat than Pattinson from what I've seen, is that a fair assessment?
Cartwright is quickly morphing into being seen as a specialist batsman , so would have to earn a spot ahead of khawaja , s.marsh etc . He does show promise with the bat , scored a good shield hundred recently.
At peak fitness there's probably not that much between Cummins and Pattinson.
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Does anybody think that if they were all fit the Aussies would play a 5 man attack of Pattinson, Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins with Lyon as the spinner?
Or would playing all four quicks mean a spinning allrounder such a Maxwell would have to play to keep the 7/4 split of Bats/allrounders/keepers vs Bowlers
No , that would be as weird as seeing loo water spin the other way !
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Tough call. England will be challenged by the short ball on bigger outfields - only a fully fit Root and YJB really play it well, as opposed to hooking indiscriminately.
That tends toward Cummings and Starch plus Hazelwood and two more that balance the side.
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I expect England will see them all in a variety of permutations... Jackson Bird is the type of Aussie bowler who does well against England too.
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And I'd take a fit Cummins any day of the week.
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Hameed and Jennings untested
Cook, root and bairstow potentially can handle it (although bairstow was torn a new one by sa with the short ball remember)
Stokes will happy hook
Mo is a walking wicket
Rest are bowlers so meh
Pace like fire and just bombard them
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I think it's setting up nicely to be a good series I think on paper the sides are very close batting wise england are stuck on an opening bat and buttlers place whereas Aussies are stuck on number 3 and maxwell spot. Be very surprised if cartwright didn't make it in the side scored a brilliant 170 in last few days. Bowling wise Englands have alot of choice but for me alot of the bowlers are a bit to similar and if we are gonna have Anderson, broad, woakes and stokes as seamers its very similar so they maybe opportunity for something different where as the Aussie attack is a bit different with left arm for starc and pace of Cummins but if England wanted to change it then could just put in there own version of Cummins in mark wood which I can see getting back into the side quickly if he stays fit. One thing that may be key is the Aussie bowlers compared to English seem to have more fitness issues and I can't see all of them being fit one or two of them usually break down a couple of months before the ashes if they don't they we will see a belter of a series. I also think o'keefe would be more of a threat than Lyon and I think he gives more control to the team.
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116 wickets at an average of 24 and economy rate of 2.8. An extremely accurate bowler..... Are you serious?
Ok hadn't had a look at any stats, just whenever I've watched him nothing happens at all
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Ok hadn't had a look at any stats, just whenever I've watched him nothing happens at all
Yeah , even as an aussie i get that feeling a lot ...but , yes, he's a very , very good bowler . He looks like he lacks penetration , but if you are as accurate and consistent as him you build pressure and take wickets .