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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: madpra6 on August 25, 2017, 07:15:58 AM
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Only higher end/higher grade bats perform & the lower end/lower grade bats are duds - Is this not misleading customers by such a big re seller. What does a bats weight have to do with performance? There have been & are bats with smaller edges & concaved profile which have performed/perfom like guns.
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I avoid US cricket stores for their stupidly high prices and bad great customer service. UK retailers are better in both prices and service. I have heard lame reasons like OP mentioned to justify their low quality product.
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It would be good to know what you accused the seller of to make a fair assessment of the comment.
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When it comes to UK brands, stores in America tend to get the previous seasons stock, or leftovers. I remember Cricket Store Online hitting social media hard to promote GN Mavericks that had just come into stock on the same day we reduced them as a discontinued model.
You say well known seller, i've never heard of them either on or away from this forum.
It is possible to find low end bats that perform, we have selected plenty during visits to batmakers/suppliers over the years.
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ive seen a few cricket merchant youtube videos.... the bat review guy annoys me by never saying that he'll tap up the bat with a 'ball' - its always a 'cherry' , even when he uses a white ball !
Reputable or not , can't say... but the reply seems to be a bunch of excuses .
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The comment about high grass and ground shots is true. Not all light weight bats generate enough power for such conditions. You'd have somewhat better luck with hand picked "low end" light weight bats but still high grass is a nightmare to bat on.
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Total codswallop - I haven't used above a Grade 2 for about 5 years now, and I've got access to pretty much unlimited willow through Neon. I've always said that the grade is irrelevant - the pressing makes 95% of the performance IMO.
To put it in perspective, my main match bat this season is a G3...
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Yep it's down. To the pressing but top end bats are rather nice.
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I can say that grass comment is true. Very limited value for good square cut or a straight drive. I recently scored 76 which could have easily 120+ as all the balls would stop closer to boundary unless it bounced close to the ropes.
However, prices on CricketMerchant site are inflated, to say the least.
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I have been in the US for a year now and started following a few of the online stores through social media. Best Cricket Store, The Cricket Masters and Cricket Merchant are ones that are active. I have noticed that Cricket Merchant has many older models, some from several seasons ago but at new model prices. They were responsive when I had questions previously. Best Cricket Store features many new bats and recently announced that they are stocking GM after signing an agreement to distribute in the US. The CricketMasters Facebook page is run by a forum member and has some lovely bats on display. Also runs a bat auction every Friday with some good bats up for grabs. I have not bought anything yet, as a new baby boy is taking all the spare cash.
Regarding the grass. Many outfields I have seen and played on tend to be longer and thicker than what we have in SA. Ground strokes definitely don't get value for the shots. Guys scoring big scores are the ones with the ability to hit over the top consistently. Or maybe this is just my excuse for not getting any runs.
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The mass of the bat would have an impact on performance with bigger bats pinging a bit more..grade as such doesn't matter but every bat is different so i dont think we can generalize. I have seen G1+ duds and some G4s going like rocket :)
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The mass of the bat would have an impact on performance with bigger heavier bats pinging a bit more..grade as such doesn't matter but every bat is different so i dont think we can generalize. I have seen G1+ duds and some G4s going like rocket :)
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Regarding the grass. Many outfields I have seen and played on tend to be longer and thicker than what we have in SA. Ground strokes definitely don't get value for the shots. Guys scoring big scores are the ones with the ability to hit over the top consistently. Or maybe this is just my excuse for not getting any runs.
I really wonder how I'd fare on "regulation" grounds and what'd be my personal technique and bat selection. I'd really like to try.
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Not sure who makes GN bats (not aussie ones) but they seem to be producing the greatest number of planks from my experience around..Have around 5 mates with GN bats and all 5 are planks. All of them are either G2 or G1, none lower end, one was a powerbow LE. Not sure if that can be a coincidence..
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I have played in UK and in the US.
The hardball cricket in US is mostly played on concrete surfaces covered with a green mat.
The ground grading is usually horrible - fielders usually need to excercise caution of unexpected, or I should rather say, expected bumps that will make the ball hit you in the face.
There is no mole control so dirt mounds are a common in U.S. Cricket grounds - there is hardly any comparison with the good level English grounds.
But since we play on concrete, the ball bounces and zips - narrow and thin bats usually don't stand a chance here.
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I have played in UK and in the US.
The hardball cricket in US is mostly played on concrete surfaces covered with a green mat.
The ground grading is usually horrible - fielders usually need to excercise caution of unexpected, or I should rather say, expected bumps that will make the ball hit you in the face.
There is no mole control so dirt mounds are a common in U.S. Cricket grounds - there is hardly any comparison with the good level English grounds.
But since we play on concrete, the ball bounces and zips - narrow and thin bats usually don't stand a chance here.
'no mole control' .... ah , that takes me back to my teens ! :D
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Total codswallop - I haven't used above a Grade 2 for about 5 years now, and I've got access to pretty much unlimited willow through Neon. I've always said that the grade is irrelevant - the pressing makes 95% of the performance IMO.
To put it in perspective, my main match bat this season is a G3...
I reckon the pressing and the handling is everything. There is little scientific reason why good looking willow should perform better, is there?
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I reckon the pressing and the handling is everything. There is little scientific reason why good looking willow should perform better, is there?
Agree..but there may be other minor things such as higher priced bats may be pressed differently or the top batmaker may work only on the top end bats (resulting in better performance perhaps) which could make the higher priced bat (synonymous with good looking bats) slightly better performing. Secondly, one may be more likely to find a better performing bat at higher price than at lower price due to these "other" factors while there will always be the odd lower priced bat that goes..My experience is that top end bats generally go from ball one or open up quickly while lower end bats take time to open up, but once sufficiently used, the difference evens out to some extent...Lastly, we often find that due to lower density clefts generally used for top end bats, top end bats could come with little/no concaving while lower end bats could come concaved for same weight which will obviously affect performance as well..All these can be considered as the "other" factors for better performance and not due to willow looking good itself.. Just my 2 cents..
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There are a few potential answers to this:
- Pretty willow is better/worse than uglier willow.
- Batmaker is all that matters.
- Higher grades normally perceived as better because of the mentality of "I've paid more for this, therefore is better than a G4".
- Handling and pressing are the most important.
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From personal experience, looks don't dictate performance, it's down to the batmaker and the quality of the willow (ie no major pin knots) and handle. I reckon prettier looking willow gets more attention from the batmaker though, which is why good looking bats generally are made well - afterall, the company does get more profit from these bats, so worth the extra attention.
Not saying this is always the case, I'm sure that there are batmakers that try to ensure that the same care is taken throughout all grades, but I would guess they'd take extra care with nicer willow.
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I currently don't have a single top grade bat in my collection all being G2 or G3 according to the manufacturer.
Now with carful selection and some great forum sponsors most of mine look like they could be G1 but performance wise there is no difference, the most I have spent on a bat in the last 3 seasons was an XP70 850 at £250 for G2 with most being sub £150 and performance wise they are as good as any other top end bat Iv ever used, may take a little longer to open up and handles may be a bit stiffer but for club cricket even high end club cricket my GM signatures, GN select & XP70 as well as a few others are as good as guys that have spent £400 - £600 this season.
The only benefit to G1 is it looks nicer and for some that's worth the extra layout but for me these days G2 or G3 well selected is fine for me, the quality is in the making and pressing
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"Choosing the right bat is vitally important. It is tempting to plump for the best looking bat, the one which is beautifully white or has the straightest grain. Let me say right away that the appearance of the bat has absolutely nothing to do with its quality."
Geoff Boycott, 'Boycott on Batting', 1980.
Apologies if I've used this before.
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"Choosing the right bat is vitally important. It is tempting to plump for the best looking bat, the one which is beautifully white or has the straightest grain. Let me say right away that the appearance of the bat has absolutely nothing to do with its quality."
Geoff Boycott, 'Boycott on Batting', 1980.
Apologies if I've used this before.
Or how good you'll be at a batter!
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Or how good you'll be at a batter!
Yes, I perhaps ought to add that the book didn't actually help me a great deal.
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I've worked hard my entire life, fortunate to work for a family business where our hard work has paid off. I've always viewed buying bats as my treats as I don't smoke and don't get out drinking very much. I've bought the best grade bats I could afford. I played today with the H4L Custom #1, the only bat I've played with for getting on 2 years, even though I've got 20 odd other great bats. Today I hit the biggest 6 I've ever hit! It went miles, off a checked drive. Had the entire oppo team (apart from the bowler) come and ask for a look at my bat as they'd never seen a hit like it. I was quick to point out that Matts @hell4leather cricket skill as a maker far outweighed my skill as a batsman.
Moral, buy the best you can! I've got 20 but wouldn't pull anything but this bat from my bag to play with.
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Isn't it just a good, well-made bat, that could just as easily be a G2?
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This thread got me thinking about bat comparisions and performance top end willow the lightest of the light and the best of the best performing willow clefts which the ball flys off the sort you don't see in the shops or readily available to the bat buying public the ones that are skimmed off by the big brands for the top pros totally different bats.
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This thread got me thinking about bat comparisions and performance top end willow the lightest of the light and the best of the best performing willow clefts which the ball flys off the sort you don't see in the shops or readily available to the bat buying public the ones that are skimmed off by the big brands for the top pros totally different bats.
The "best performing willow clefts" bats that I somehow managed to snag were indeed left overs from the "top pros" who for one reason or another didn't want the bat or just gave it away. Once you use those bats, others just pale into comparison.
You can find some ugly ducklings that perform really well - I would prefer ugly ducklings that performed like trampolines - but it is very hard to find such bats. On top of that, they do take their sweet time to open up. Really, the trade off or the big question is how much time do you have in your life to wait for a bat to open up (that is if it opens up). In that regard, ugly ducklings are a big risk if they fail after a long wait.
I have some supposed G2, G3, and G4 bats that perform very well but they were hand selected by very good batsmen. I think I got lucky. I have other G2 and G3 bats which aren't even suitable for a fireplace.
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There are a few potential answers to this:
- Pretty willow is better/worse than uglier willow.
- Batmaker is all that matters.
- Higher grades normally perceived as better because of the mentality of "I've paid more for this, therefore is better than a G4".
- Handling and pressing are the most important.
- etc
From personal experience, looks don't dictate performance, it's down to the batmaker and the quality of the willow (ie no major pin knots) and handle. I reckon prettier looking willow gets more attention from the batmaker though, which is why good looking bats generally are made well - afterall, the company does get more profit from these bats, so worth the extra attention.
Not saying this is always the case, I'm sure that there are batmakers that try to ensure that the same care is taken throughout all grades, but I would guess they'd take extra care with nicer willow.
I somewhat agree with what you are saying - "preference" is given by bat makers to good looking clefts as those clefts will fetch a higher price.
I would love to use a G2/G3 TK or SK bat but I doubt those bat makers would touch a low rated cleft as they'd prefer to work exclusively with G1, G1+, and Pro grade clefts.
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I made the argument before that batmakers possibly gave more attention to good looking clefts and that was why they were better bats. I remember the idea being scoffed at.
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The "best performing willow clefts" bats that I somehow managed to snag were indeed left overs from the "top pros" who for one reason or another didn't want the bat or just gave it away. Once you use those bats, others just pale into comparison.
You can find some ugly ducklings that perform really well - I would prefer ugly ducklings that performed like trampolines - but it is very hard to find such bats. On top of that, they do take their sweet time to open up. Really, the trade off or the big question is how much time do you have in your life to wait for a bat to open up (that is if it opens up). In that regard, ugly ducklings are a big risk if they fail after a long wait.
I have some supposed G2, G3, and G4 bats that perform very well but they were hand selected by very good batsmen. I think I got lucky. I have other G2 and G3 bats which aren't even suitable for a fireplace.
I think its important to not confuse lower grade bats with cheap bats. A good batmaker will make a equally good bat from lower grade cleft and will also be priced higher. Hard to find a good performing cheap bat because of cheap material being used and made by average batmaker. I have seen pics of bats used by top pros which look horrible but sure they pickup well and perform differently than off the shelf bats. The reason is - cleft selection and the batmaker.
Point I am making is lower grade bats from a good batmaker will be equally good as higher grade.
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Lower end bats don’t perform-FALSE for Retail
Of course they can perform like a top end range retail bat, but perhaps not immediately or perhaps not for long. It all depends on manufacturer. If the grading is done at the end of production like you see in some of the Asian bat making videos, there is no reason why the handle or press is any different. The downgrade may be on appearance and pickup, but performance is something the bat maker is potentially less concerned with than what price it will fetch on the open market.
Consider this question - Can Lower end bat perform like pro willow? False in the the majority
a) Bat makers cannot buy Pro willow. It is selected from their purchased clefts. They have to handpick them out and prepare them accordingly. The willow is selected on its playing properties and may be grade 1,2 3 or lower. Bats prepared for a pro are not the same as retail bats. It is not durable and may not last a season.
b) Pro willow is only a qualification that the cleft has been picked and set aside for possible selection according to the player’s preference, if they get the choice. The selection then may be performance or appearance based.
c) Handle quality and workmanship from a smaller bat maker will be better for the high end bats and pro bats. If they stand to make more money, then they will do their best.
Finally consider this question - Why does a amateur or social park cricketer need a pro bat?
I personally do not believe the performance difference is of the magnitude people describe. We are talking percentages that are often negated by the amateur player’s inability to middle the ball. I also think the description is often used by bat makers to create a new higher price point and attract ignorant buyers. This is particularly the case with a few unscrupulous brands describing perfect grains on over dried willow as pro willow. The public is mislead and pays for performance that any bat maker can produce.
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@sarg , go ahead, name names.
Let's not beat around the bush anymore. Consumers, people who spend their hard-earned money on bats, have a right to know.
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@sarg , go ahead, name names.
Let's not beat around the bush anymore. Consumers, people who spend their hard-earned money on bats, have a right to know.
Doesn't really matter who they are. I think the best advice is to do your research and check bats at training. Tap them up and see the differences for yourself, talk to the owners. Visit a bat maker or a few shops. Do your due diligence and perhaps you will find your own diamond in the rough that proves this topic true..
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Lower end bats don’t perform-FALSE for Retail
Of course they can perform like a top end range retail bat, but perhaps not immediately or perhaps not for long. It all depends on manufacturer. If the grading is done at the end of production like you see in some of the Asian bat making videos, there is no reason why the handle or press is any different. The downgrade may be on appearance and pickup, but performance is something the bat maker is potentially less concerned with than what price it will fetch on the open market.
Consider this question - Can Lower end bat perform like pro willow? False in the the majority
a) Bat makers cannot buy Pro willow. It is selected from their purchased clefts. They have to handpick them out and prepare them accordingly. The willow is selected on its playing properties and may be grade 1,2 3 or lower. Bats prepared for a pro are not the same as retail bats. It is not durable and may not last a season.
b) Pro willow is only a qualification that the cleft has been picked and set aside for possible selection according to the player’s preference, if they get the choice. The selection then may be performance or appearance based.
c) Handle quality and workmanship from a smaller bat maker will be better for the high end bats and pro bats. If they stand to make more money, then they will do their best.
Finally consider this question - Why does a amateur or social park cricketer need a pro bat?
I personally do not believe the performance difference is of the magnitude people describe. We are talking percentages that are often negated by the amateur player’s inability to middle the ball. I also think the description is often used by bat makers to create a new higher price point and attract ignorant buyers. This is particularly the case with a few unscrupulous brands describing perfect grains on over dried willow as pro willow. The public is mislead and pays for performance that any bat maker can produce.
Just to add
Bat makers cannot buy pro willow its selected from the clefts they purchased yes but the clefts have already been graded by the willow merchant its not as if they don't know what they are getting usually with ratios top willow is available at a price.
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Surprised no-one has mentioned butterfly willow.
Lower graded price wise yet is preferred by some.
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I can only echo what has been said by others that performance is nothing to do with grading most of the time, handles to me are just as important as pressing, a very stiff handle of badly fitted can make a bat feel like a plank and so can under or over pressing, Im using a bat this season with 7 wonky grains, but it's a UK made GN so has a very good handle and pressed very well, probably be a grade 2/3. @simonmay5 must have 50 bats or more, including special bats such as a low density H4L monster yet his match bat is a butterfly because it performs perfectly and works for him.
Ultimately a bats performance is down to pressing, handling and the user, I've seen people make guns looo like planks and planks look like guns. The only exception is if a brand chooses to grade on performance though I see this just as a way of up grading ugly pingers to make more money
There may however be some correlation for less experienced or smaller bat makers that they take far more time with their higher grade clefts as they've cost them more from the supplier and therefore they don't want to waste them, also lower grades with a knot of similar under the face will make the bat seem very hard but these are more exceptions to the rule rather than the norm
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Surprised no-one has mentioned butterfly willow.
Lower graded price wise yet is preferred by some.
Even Boycs said he preferred Butterfly Willow bats during his career.
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Now forget US,UK...Last week I was in Bangalore & visited a couple of the most renowned retailers(Crown cricketer & Players Choice). While I was looking through some bats I overheard a customer bargaining on the price of a top end MRF bat.The sales staff told him that a max of 10%(fact is,majority of the retailers give a min of 15%-20% discount on the company prices mentioned on the bats) discount could be given & the higher the bats are priced the quality would be good. They were b***S****g that the straighter & more the grains are the ball travels faster & further. Do these people really know about bats? & these are the most famous retailers in Bangalore. The best part is the owners of these shops are experienced cricketers & are sitting & just watching all this quietly even after they know what is happening. Bangalore being such a big turf for cricket & customers being misguided like this......Where is this heading to :(
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Even Boycs said he preferred Butterfly Willow bats during his career.
Did he? His bats in Headingley and Lord's museums are cerainly not butterfly.
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Good point, and worth arguing.
YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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Good point, and worth arguing.
YOU WANT THE TRUTH? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
Eh?
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Did he? His bats in Headingley and Lord's museums are cerainly not butterfly.
I heard him say that he preferred butterfly willow on TMS the other day. He said it on the radio so it must be true...
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I heard him say that he preferred butterfly willow on TMS the other day. He said it on the radio so it must be true...
Cool. I believe you. Thanks.
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Well I did some damage to my bat on Saturday (cracked through the toe and right up) which is fair dinkum after 2 seasons!
So, without wanting to spend silly money (£250 plus) and in desperate need for one ASAP, I went into a local place and tested a few with knocking up and tap tests etc... unsurprisingly, the elite bats (silly money ones) did tap up the best, but a surprise was that a New Balance TC560 pinged incredibly well, yet bats of a similar level (Kook Ghost 600) were shocking in comparison. Top it off, this 560 tapped up better than the 860 in the shop... and it looks better! Not sure how to upload images - I have tried before but I'm useless :D
Looking forward to seeing how she goes in a game
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^ What did you pay for it?
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I heard him say that he preferred butterfly willow on TMS the other day. He said it on the radio so it must be true...
How much would it cost us mere mortals to have Tony from Hunts make us a bat from a butterfly cleft?
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How much would it cost us mere mortals to have Tony from Hunts make us a bat from a butterfly cleft?
They're priced the same as G3 from memory, I think I paid £135 for mine.
I'm sure @Vitas Cricket can arrange one for you (assuming Hunts have some butterfly clefts in)
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They're priced the same as G3 from memory, I think I paid £135 for mine.
I'm sure @Vitas Cricket can arrange one for you (assuming Hunts have some butterfly clefts in)
Thanks.
I'm happy with the (Hunts) bat I've got, for now. But it's reassuring to know that for £135 you could get a bat fit for one of the all-time greats? (Admiittedly he didn't hit that many big sixes.)
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I heard him say that he preferred butterfly willow on TMS the other day. He said it on the radio so it must be true...
It's quite possible that some of Boycs bats were Butterfly as it was common to bleach the willow white
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^ What did you pay for it?
For the TC560 - It cost me all of £100. And certainly seemed to test better than higher up models in the range / in the DC range. Totally object to paying £350 for something off the shelf when you can get a custom for less, which you can have input over. Only issue is, is I couldn't get this for Wednesday! Haha.
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It's quite possible that some of Boycs bats were Butterfly as it was common to bleach the willow white
Even pro bats?
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Even pro bats?
I can see the logic of bleaching a pro's bat in some ways; if it doesn't alter performance, then surely it's a sensible business decision. Kids want to emulate the pros - so if they use a butterfly, the kid will but it'll still be in the cheaper grading range so not be as profitable. Bleach it the pro bat, it looks like a top end one, and bang - I must have that one :)
Probably more towards the modern day game mind... haha!
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For the TC560 - It cost me all of £100. And certainly seemed to test better than higher up models in the range / in the DC range. Totally object to paying £350 for something off the shelf when you can get a custom for less, which you can have input over. Only issue is, is I couldn't get this for Wednesday! Haha.
Every time I've looked at a range of NBs in a shop I've been really confused by the idea that anybody would see them and then choose to buy the higher end models! Only difference usually seems to be the grade sticker, and there's been plenty of reports on here and elsewhere of the low grade ones pinging.
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Every time I've looked at a range of NBs in a shop I've been really confused by the idea that anybody would see them and then choose to buy the higher end models! Only difference usually seems to be the grade sticker, and there's been plenty of reports on here and elsewhere of the low grade ones pinging.
Some people love a sticker..! Happens a lot with mass produced bats; I believe Kookaburra used to have some belters in the lower end of the range!
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Probably more towards the modern day game mind... haha!
I'd like to believe that Boycott wouldn't have entertained such nonsense. (See my earlier use of the quote from his book.)
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A friend of mine purchased an RS butterfly willow bat from TheCricketShed recently. The bat was on sale and he got it for £50...the plan was to use it as a net bat but when we got our hands on the bat the ping was unbelievable. He oiled it and knocked it in, and I played a few throw downs in the nets the other day. the ping is unbelievable and my friend is planning to use it has his match bat.
The moral of the story is that if you are lucky enough, you can definitely find diamonds in the rough.
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A friend of mine purchased an RS butterfly willow bat from TheCricketShed recently. The bat was on sale and he got it for £50...the plan was to use it as a net bat but when we got our hands on the bat the ping was unbelievable. He oiled it and knocked it in, and I played a few throw downs in the nets the other day. the ping is unbelievable and my friend is planning to use it has his match bat.
The moral of the story is that if you are lucky enough, you can definitely find diamonds in the rough.
I was thinking of buying one of those when they were £100!
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They are still 100 on website.
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Even pro bats?
Yes I had one they were a bright white
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I was thinking of buying one of those when they were £100!
Definitely worth it even for £100...my friend got it in an end of season sale where they had put up a few bats.
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Every time I've looked at a range of NBs in a shop I've been really confused by the idea that anybody would see them and then choose to buy the higher end models! Only difference usually seems to be the grade sticker, and there's been plenty of reports on here and elsewhere of the low grade ones pinging.
There are differences, I agree that many of the lower end examples of NB bats have been very good, perhaps too good which affects sales of the higher end somewhat, this is also something i've noticed with Kookaburra in the past. These are the last 2 New Balance bats i have left and both are probably the 'worst' examples of their grade that we had in stock. Thats not to say they are bad bats, i'm basing this mostly on looks, there were definitely some nicer looking TC1260s and DC 1080s for example.
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Thanks.
I'm happy with the (Hunts) bat I've got, for now. But it's reassuring to know that for £135 you could get a bat fit for one of the all-time greats? (Admiittedly he didn't hit that many big sixes.)
£140 for now. This is the time of year when pricing switches over to the following season, so it may go up.
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There are differences, I agree that many of the lower end examples of NB bats have been very good, perhaps too good which affects sales of the higher end somewhat, this is also something i've noticed with Kookaburra in the past. These are the last 2 New Balance bats i have left and both are probably the 'worst' examples of their grade that we had in stock. Thats not to say they are bad bats, i'm basing this mostly on looks, there were definitely some nicer looking TC1260s and DC 1080s for example.
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That 460 Looks a steal for £80!
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That 460 Looks a steal for £80!
Certainly is when my teammate is being quoted £40 go a refurb
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Certainly is when my teammate is being quoted £40 go a refurb
@Seniorplayer is that £40 for a full tidy up, minor repairs and replacement stickers?
If so I think that's about the going rate from most companies now (and possibly cheaper than some!)
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Only higher end/higher grade bats perform & the lower end/lower grade bats are duds - Is this not misleading customers by such a big re seller. What does a bats weight have to do with performance? There have been & are bats with smaller edges & concaved profile which have performed/perfom like guns.
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What a piece of crap cricket merchant! Obviously sellers want you to buy more expensive stuff! I had a SS, 18 very clear grains, no heartwood and perfect looking bat - totally disaster and on the other hand, an Australian made Puma (most likely by JM), lowest grade bat - Possibly, the best bat I ever had in my hands.
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I was selling bats for a bat company and I had 20 odd bats to choose from when I picked my bat. The 2 best pinging bats were both graded as grade 3's. One was too light so I sold it to my best mate, the other I kept for myself and it's the best bat I've had.
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@Seniorplayer is that £40 for a full tidy up, minor repairs and replacement stickers?
If so I think that's about the going rate from most companies now (and possibly cheaper than some!)
Yes Cam also return postage was on top of the £40.00.