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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Sitonit on October 09, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
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So, I see that some bats are marketed by buzz words like "Kohli Profile".
Does that mean it may be more attractive to some amateur buyers or it does make a difference?
I mean, how would a bat suit your game AND your playing conditions, differently if it's marketed by flags like "Kohli profile" vs "Tamim Iqbal Profile", when the buyer has never picked up a Kohli or Iqbal's personal bat?
I have also noticed that some guys place custom bat orders with two simple words, "Kohli Profile", and they are ready to generously open their wallets.
I am trying to see where is the balance when a Kohli profile may actually boost someone performances vs it's only a marketing ploy?
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It is a modern twist on the classic 'Boycott plays Slazenger', or the Mike Atherton autograph Gray Nicolls, etc. The bat may be made by a different maker, but it is a way to find a link to a favourite player. It may or not suit the user, but that is not always the prime motivator behind buying a certain bat (particularly for youngsters, but not exclusively). Anyway, if it doesn't suit, it provides the perfect excuse to buy something else. Perhaps a Tendulkar profile...?
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I remember thinking if the ST profile is good enough for that little blighter then it's good enough for me.
I'm not good enough to make it work.
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So, I see that some bats are marketed by buzz words like "Kohli Profile".
Does that mean it may be more attractive to some amateur buyers or it does make a difference?
I mean, how would a bat suit your game AND your playing conditions, differently if it's marketed by flags like "Kohli profile" vs "Tamim Iqbal Profile", when the buyer has never picked up a Kohli or Iqbal's personal bat?
I have also noticed that some guys place custom bat orders with two simple words, "Kohli Profile", and they are ready to generously open their wallets.
I am trying to see where is the balance when a Kohli profile may actually boost someone performances vs it's only a marketing ploy?
Those are the marketing tricks to make bats appealing to buyers who don't have time to do their research nor access to pro bats.
Other than weight, grains (face picture), profile shape, bat makers should also divulge the balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity of every bat sold. Disclosure of these attributes should be standardized for every bat along with weight, grains, and profile shape.
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Would you buy a bat marketed "As used by Chris Martin"?
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divulge the balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity of every bat sold. Disclosure of these attributes should be standardized for every bat along with weight, grains, and profile shape.
99.9% of the bat buying public don't know and don't care.
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And the other .1% could be fooled by a blind tasting anyway.
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So, I see that some bats are marketed by buzz words like "Kohli Profile".
Wasn't me...!
Although I would like a tendulkar profile which picks up like a feather and is 2-10 not 2-13 ;)
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99.9% of the bat buying public don't know and don't care.
They should.
It is in the best interest of the bat makers and sellers to NOT divulge or standardize that information because public would, then, buy FEWER bats.
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They should.
It is in the best interest of the bat makers and sellers to NOT divulge or standardize that information because public would, then, buy FEWER bats.
You're thinking everyone buys bats like we do on here. The forum is a strange place (full of strange people!)
How many club players even own 2 bats? I know that 95% of my club will go into the local shop when they need a bat, buy one (price or which pro uses "one like that") dictating their choice then proceed to use that one bat until it breaks. They repeat this process every X amount of years as needed.
Nobody cares about the balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity. In fact I'd bet a lot of badgers on here wouldnt even know what all of those things meant, let alone Joe Public...
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Would you buy a bat marketed "As used by Chris Martin"?
I'd buy one of his used bats in a heartbeat, at the very least you know there are plenty of runs left in it.
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In all seriousness. As someone with a great interest in bat production/performance, shaping, willow etc. And as someone whos always pained over every minute selection of gear. I dont actually believe the gains i might get from this level of interest are any more remarkable than the as you say joepublic and his more relaxed approach.
Ok, joepublic might not pour over countless threads on forums like this, or buy dozens of bats, net with them once and move on to the next, looking for some non existant miracle "pro" bat. Might not have the budget to even if they wanted. But ive been in cricket retail stores often enough, ive seen joe at work. Still picks up the bats in his price range, waves them around, his intention or not still to varying degrees establishing what feel/balance suits his taste. And then the mallets usually employed, generally met by the staffs gritted teeth. But again theres a level of interest in performance.
And yes joe might be attracted to a particular brand or model but i know i am too. So i dont see a huge difference there either. And at the end of the day, when me and joe take the crease, im sure we both assume a technically incorrect stance, waft at the first three wide ones we face and go out cheaply soon there after.
Maybe its just 99.9% of the effort for .1% gain?
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You're thinking everyone buys bats like we do on here. The forum is a strange place (full of strange people!)
How many club players even own 2 bats? I know that 95% of my club will go into the local shop when they need a bat, buy one (price or which pro uses "one like that") dictating their choice then proceed to use that one bat until it breaks. They repeat this process every X amount of years as needed.
Nobody cares about the balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity. In fact I'd bet a lot of badgers on here wouldnt even know what all of those things meant, let alone Joe Public...
My point is that if the information was available, people would use it. By having those three additional factors available to them, people will pick exactly what they need and will be happier with their purchases. The way bats are sold today, the process is a hit-or-miss. Consumers will make better choices if they understood what they truly needed ( vis-a-vis those three factors ) and producers readily provided that information.
Some of it has to do with the culture too. Cricket is a very "traditionalist" sport with very limited innovation. Any change, upgrade to the status quo is either derided or treated like a threat. "Joe Public" (as you say) is reluctant to change and the sport itself is also reluctant to transform. God forbid someone try to inject science and advancement in the sport of Cricket. It was and is still a "punter" sport and trying its hardest to remain so. That is pretty pathetic.
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@InternalTraining - do feel free to explain exactly what the 'swing velocity' of a bat is even supposed to be..!
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My point is that if the information was available, people would use it. By having those three additional factors available to them, people will pick exactly what they need and will be happier with their purchases. The way bats are sold today, the process is a hit-or-miss. Consumers will make better choices if they understood what they truly needed ( vis-a-vis those three factors ) and producers readily provided that information.
Some of it has to do with the culture too. Cricket is a very "traditionalist" sport with very limited innovation. Any change, upgrade to the status quo is either derided or treated like a threat. "Joe Public" (as you say) is reluctant to change and the sport itself is also reluctant to transform. God forbid someone try to inject science and advancement in the sport of Cricket. It was and is still a "punter" sport and trying its hardest to remain so. That is pretty pathetic.
GM have put no end of technical info out there over recent years (F Tech, L Sweet etc)
Sadly the overwhelming majority either didn’t care or were confused/intimidated by the wealth of ‘technical guff’ (that’s a direct quote from a befuddled customer) to the point where it affected their buying decision negatively. Most people simply want to buy a bat, they see it for what it is, which is a piece of wood once alive and growing out the ground, that has now been crafted into a usable product, they don’t want to associate it with science, however well intentioned that science is.
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^ I was going to mention GM and I applaud them for doing what they DO but from performance perspective, their bats are too hard presssed and just plain suck. :D It is probably what turned your customer off.
But kudos to them for putting all the technical information there. I just wish other bat makers will follow suit.
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Most popular bat by GN AUS this season so far "chris Lynn" velocity players choice , say no more , had a player on the weekend with one , didn't even know it was 20mm shorter blade , all about the name
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performance perspective, their bats are too hard presssed and just plain suck. :D It is probably what turned your customer off.
If you say so.
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A customer might think "science" gives them their best bat in IT's scenario but realistically it's a variable product and everything you want to know can be done with the bat in your hands and a mallet/ ball. Waft it around, give 'er a whack and jobs a good 'un
Mallet response and bouncing ball on a face is one of the most inaccurate, and yet most applied, methods of testing a bat. I have a lot of bats sitting in my house that bounce the ball to the ceiling and sound wonderful off the mallet. Take them to the net and they just don't feel the same or are responsive in the areas where you are NOT consistently hitting the ball. I think bat buying today is a very poorly informed process.
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Mallet response and bouncing ball on a face is one of the most inaccurate, and yet most applied, methods of testing a bat. I have a lot of bats sitting in my house that bounce the ball to the ceiling and sound wonderful off the mallet. Take them to the net and they just don't feel the same or are responsive in the areas where you are NOT consistently hitting the ball. I think bat buying today is a very poorly informed process.
I think most of your posts are pure rot.
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I think most of your posts are pure rot.
If that's what you think, that's your prerogative. Going back to my earlier point, people don't like change and are frightened by it. They also don't like views that challenge conventional wisdom. Cricket gear is so archaic it is not even funny anymore. MCC bat size regulations, anyone?!! HAhahah.
Let's standardize bat specs. Let consumer make informed choices. Simple.
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Mallet response and bouncing ball on a face is one of the most inaccurate, and yet most applied, methods of testing a bat. I have a lot of bats sitting in my house that bounce the ball to the ceiling and sound wonderful off the mallet. Take them to the net and they just don't feel the same or are responsive in the areas where you are NOT consistently hitting the ball. I think bat buying today is a very poorly informed process.
100% agree with you. Tapping tests are very inaccurate and there must be a better way to sell bats, not sure the market or bat buyers are ready for it though.
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..... balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity ......
Sounds Chinese to me.
Plain English please?
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their bats are too hard presssed and just plain suck. :D It is probably what turned your customer off.
My £160 rocket of a GM Chrome would disagree with you
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Most popular bat by GN AUS this season so far "chris Lynn" velocity players choice , say no more , had a player on the weekend with one , didn't even know it was 20mm shorter blade , all about the name
So this player must have bought it online yes?
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^ I was going to mention GM and I applaud them for doing what they DO but from performance perspective, their bats are too hard presssed and just plain suck. :D It is probably what turned your customer off.
But kudos to them for putting all the technical information there. I just wish other bat makers will follow suit.
I had similar bias against GM, but in all honestly I had only seen a friend's 808 from 2014/15 and it did sound like it was very 'hard-pressed' when tapping a ball on it. Regardless, I took the plunge on a Quinton de Kock players edition from @Vitas Cricket a couple of months ago. At 2.10.5 with a concave profile, 35mm(small?) edges, 64-65 spine I didn't think the bat was exactly light for the size and as big as I had expected for a pro(shape) bat and was slightly disappointed. Bounced a ball on it, it felt firmer and sounded different than my other bats.
Anyways, I decided to give it a go. Did some throw downs before the match and wow, hard-pressed my ass. The response was sooo good I took it in the middle scored 38 off 21 opening the innings. No nets, no mallet love. Played my second match with it this Sunday scored 60 off 28 went at number 3. The bat is absolutely fantastic! The ball rockets off the bat with extra-ordinary speed and even though it seems to be firmly(crisp?) pressed the ball just flies all across the blade, hit two fours from the very bottom of the bat as low on the bat as it gets lol.
My friend has offered me 40% more than the price i paid for it, and I still don't wanna sell it it's that good.
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DorsetDan - I agree with what your saying i think. Sounds to me like a pointless layer of duplicate information, that may or may not be accurate anyway, on a product that is by its very nature, imprecise.
You pick bat up, next you allow youself to look like an idiot by air batting with said bat. Then, you attack the face with a mallet. Doesnt that basic process replicate the only two functions required of the bat? The bats feel/pickup/balance is nice, or it isnt. The bat feels responsive enough over enough of the blade or it doesnt. What else do i need to know?
Please tell me how some written information on the characteristics of the bat is going to or even should alter or confirm how the bat actually feels to me?
Information that may help online purchasing is a completely different issue but would likely still have people end up buying bats that dont feel right for them.
I also take exception with the attitude that 99.9% of the bat buying public are blind consumers of marketing. "Ready for it" ??? Or "frightened by it" ??? Give me a break. A guy walks into a retailer, says to the staff, "ill have a chris lynn please". Has one handed to them, they pay, and walk out. This scenario, if it exists at all would be an absolute minority. Oh, and i dont blame joepublic for having no idea the lynn was shorter. If it was an in store sale then the staff arent doing their job...
Information is great. Information for the sake of information. Why?
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You're thinking everyone buys bats like we do on here. The forum is a strange place (full of strange people!)
How many club players even own 2 bats? I know that 95% of my club will go into the local shop when they need a bat, buy one (price or which pro uses "one like that") dictating their choice then proceed to use that one bat until it breaks. They repeat this process every X amount of years as needed.
Nobody cares about the balance point, location of node of percussion, and swing velocity. In fact I'd bet a lot of badgers on here wouldnt even know what all of those things meant, let alone Joe Public...
I think the quote "nobody cares" is a little miss leading, the fact is they have never had such information and not that they do not care, also 99% do not know what this means. This doesn't mean that they wouldn't use the information in future to select the right bat, based on the attributes of their previous stick.
The truth of the matter is that the cricket trade is in the dark ages.
If the above information was made a available it would take the guess work out of buying a bat, driving more sales through the internet.
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100% agree with you. Tapping tests are very inaccurate and there must be a better way to sell bats, not sure the market or bat buyers are ready for it though.
Also been scientifically proven (well in golf) that the sound gives the perception of performance but has no correlation whatsoever on the CoR
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Also been scientifically proven (well in golf) that the sound gives the perception of performance but has no correlation whatsoever on the CoR
David from SHU has also done some studies on the reliability of the tapping test, which you've likely seen.
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David from SHU has also done some studies on the reliability of the tapping test, which you've likely seen.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Curtis7/publication/273823392_The_Reliability_of_a_Tapping_Test_as_an_Indicator_of_Cricket_bat_Performance/links/55892bb708aed6bff80b3e90/The-Reliability-of-a-Tapping-Test-as-an-Indicator-of-Cricket-bat-Performance.pdf (https://www.researchgate.net/profile/David_Curtis7/publication/273823392_The_Reliability_of_a_Tapping_Test_as_an_Indicator_of_Cricket_bat_Performance/links/55892bb708aed6bff80b3e90/The-Reliability-of-a-Tapping-Test-as-an-Indicator-of-Cricket-bat-Performance.pdf)
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I did a facebook post for one of my customers last season to say he won a bat so his mrs wouldn't go mad
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I made an agreement with my wife that I won't argue or object if she wants to buy lady's handbags that she can sell later if she wishes, as long as she doesn't look at my bat purchases.
It fired back so bad, that I had break the agreement.
In response to my purchase of a $200 bat, she would buy lady's handbags that were around $4000 to $5000 each.