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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: FattusCattus on January 12, 2018, 01:05:51 PM
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with all the debate about the current test team, I always find it fascinating when the Lions play, to see if there is a rising star coming through, and who to watch.
The squad's a bit difficult to understand at the moment, with a few names listed who are already in the England set up, so the red ball squad as I understand it, is as follows:
Jennings
Clarke
S. Curran
Porter
Coughlin
Mahmood
Gubbins
Davies
Hameed
Lawrence
Roland-Jones
Leach
Bess
People I'm excited about - Clarke, Gubbins, Hameed and Lawrence with the bat. It'll be interesting to see how they do in sluggish conditions, where it may also turn a bit.
Roland-Jones, Leach and Bess with the ball - TRJ, I hope gets a hat-full of wickets if fit and forces his way back into the test side, and I'd like to see how Leach and Bess go away from Taunton and against some aggressive hitters.
There's a few who, I confess, I don't know what they do - Coughlin, Mahmood and Davies. Can any county-watchers shed any light on them?
Shame Garton and Helm weren't considered for the 4 day stuff - might be a good test for the bodies and their brains!!
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with all the debate about the current test team, I always find it fascinating when the Lions play, to see if there is a rising star coming through, and who to watch.
The squad's a bit difficult to understand at the moment, with a few names listed who are already in the England set up, so the red ball squad as I understand it, is as follows:
Jennings
Clarke
S. Curran
Porter
Coughlin
Mahmood
Gubbins
Davies
Hameed
Lawrence
Roland-Jones
Leach
Bess
People I'm excited about - Clarke, Gubbins, Hameed and Lawrence with the bat. It'll be interesting to see how they do in sluggish conditions, where it may also turn a bit.
Roland-Jones, Leach and Bess with the ball - TRJ, I hope gets a hat-full of wickets if fit and forces his way back into the test side, and I'd like to see how Leach and Bess go away from Taunton and against some aggressive hitters.
There's a few who, I confess, I don't know what they do - Coughlin, Mahmood and Davies. Can any county-watchers shed any light on them?
Shame Garton and Helm weren't considered for the 4 day stuff - might be a good test for the bodies and their brains!!
Here you go Cat...
Alex Davies - Lancs
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/516039.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/516039.html)
Paul Coughlin - will be Notts (was Durham)
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/517542.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/517542.html)
Saqib Mahmood - Lancs
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/643885.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/643885.html)
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Several of the test squad (Crane/Foakes/Livingstone I think from memory) are going out and playing the first two games before they head to NZ, so there's those to factor in too.
Coughlin promising allrounder if memory serves? Alex Davies scored loads of runs opening the batting and keeping last year, and Mahmood is a rapid prospect.
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coughlin has left durham for notts over the winter
davies if he continues could be a problem solver for England as keeps and scores plenty as an opener
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Would love to see Al Davies do well. Used to play against him in the Northern League. He's always been a bit small, but you could tell even as a kid he was different class, but really humble with it too.
His dad got me out too many times than I can remember though... filthy slow medium in-duckers that looked utterly buffet, yet always picked up 50ish wickets a season and put him in the hunt for bowling awards.
For the kit nerds, Al was sponsored by Fusion before he became pro and got a deal with GM.
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The skinny:
Davies - had a real breakthrough season last year, filled in as an opener and managed it despite having the gloves. Was impressed how well he played the short stuff and his patience. Too early to tell at the top level.
Coughlin. Matt Coles minus the beers. Nothing to write home about, but a good county pro.
Mahmood. Young kid, nice action, bit expensive at the moment but if he gets tighter his body should fill out to get him close to 90mph on a good day.
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This tour started today.... albeit against a Jamaica XI.... Jennings 129 and Alex Davies 54.
http://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/england/jennings_makes_century_on_first_day_of_england_lions'_tour_of_west_indies.html (http://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/england/jennings_makes_century_on_first_day_of_england_lions'_tour_of_west_indies.html)
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Hmmmm, some of my pick not ready the memo!
Wickets for Porter, Roland-Jones and Garton (whom I really want to do well!)
But nobody scoring any runs apart from Jennings - Hameed and Gubbins still can't buy a run!
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Gleeson added to the Lions squad, as Garton sent home injured.
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Is Gleeson the sharp Northants lad?
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Is Gleeson the sharp Northants lad?
Very
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England lost but Leach cleaned up
Is this bloke now ready to progress to the full side so we go back and pick a specialist spinner?
Does anyone know if he can bat?
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Nope - and if he's a good enough spinner at this stage with Stokes, Jonny B and Woakes, we shouldn't care less if he can bat - as long as he can take wickets.
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In other news, there's a few lads there who need to turn up to the show in the next game and score some big runs.
I'm looking at you Hameed, Gubbins, Livingstone and Foakes!!!!!
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the pitches are dreck though, @FattusCattus Yu can watch them poke away on a pudding here http://cricketwestindies.org/index.php/match-centre/ (http://cricketwestindies.org/index.php/match-centre/)
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Nice to see the youngsters can play spin just as well as the senior guys :( :o
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/624779/warrican-puts-lions-under-pressure-in-jamaica (https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/624779/warrican-puts-lions-under-pressure-in-jamaica)
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Pitches in the Windies are so spin friendly that their domestic 4 day comp awards points for every wicket your side takes with a seamer, so not sure we can read too much into it.
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Well it should be a good education for them, in preparation for playing in the sub-continent, although we are getting bonked so far - all wickets going to spinners I think!
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Well it should be a good education for them, in preparation for playing in the sub-continent, although we are getting bonked so far - all wickets going to spinners I think!
Not even sure the Indians prepare raging turners like they get these days.
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Severely underwhelming batting display again, I know I'm being dramatic but doesn't bode well for the future really, the big guns in the lions squad aren't firing, livingstone especially struggling this tour. How come he's bowled so much too, 16 overs as a part timer compared to 3 overs of Crane, seems a strange move by the captain
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I was under the impression (correct me if I'm wrong) that Livingstone has the potential to be more than a part time bowler, he mixes offies with leggies I think.
Perhaps they view him as more of a Moeen type player.
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1. English captains don't understand leg spin?
2. Crane isn't really very good?
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Yeh I'd read that livingstone was initially more of a bower before his batting and improved vastly, still seems strange crane only having 3 overs so far, correct though maybe he isn't actually that good. We've had a few promising leggies recently who have faded away a bit, Beer and Waller to name 2
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1. English captains don't understand leg spin?
2. Crane isn't really very good?
Or struggles whilst the ball is new and shiny?
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Lions getting an absolute pasting! But 6 wickets for Leach in a marathon 41 overs! And Crane draws a blank in 14!
http://cricketwestindies.org/index.php/match-centre/ (http://cricketwestindies.org/index.php/match-centre/)
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Or struggles whilst the ball is new and shiny?
Yes, that too. I am more inclined to point one. An English-Saffer captain is even worse.
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Livingstone ruled out for the rest of the tour with an ankle injury and concern for the test series against New Zealand.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22574271/livingstone-emerges-injury-worry-new-zealand-tests (http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22574271/livingstone-emerges-injury-worry-new-zealand-tests)
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Shame for living stone if he is out, with Stokes back thou it might give Vince, and maybe Stoneman a bit of breathing space.
No one I can see has really got runs on the lions tour, we seem to be playing on pitches like 1980 s Indian tracks which go square on day 1.
Apart from Livingstone, I'm not sure who would be next in line for a call up. Hameed and Jennings I suppose
Joe Clarke you would think needs to score big he might have a chance, very highly rated by the management, like others thou,just does not score heavy enough
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Shame for living stone if he is out, with Stokes back thou it might give Vince, and maybe Stoneman a bit of breathing space.
No one I can see has really got runs on the lions tour, we seem to be playing on pitches like 1980 s Indian tracks which go square on day 1.
Apart from Livingstone, I'm not sure who would be next in line for a call up. Hameed and Jennings I suppose
Joe Clarke you would think needs to score big he might have a chance, very highly rated by the management, like others thou,just does not score heavy enough
If Livingstone doesn't make the tour of New Zealand then I'd probably go for Hameed. For me Jennings looked too static at the crease and his feet just seemed to be concrete. I do hope he has improved his game but I haven't seen much of him since he got dropped from the test side.
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If Livingstone is ruled out I imagine Gary Ballance will get a free holiday to New Zealand...
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With Livingstone injured Northeast has been called up straight into the Lions team.
The Kent fans are going nuts on Social media saying he hasn't even played for Hampshire yet and he's got a call up etc... :)
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With Livingstone injured Northeast has been called up straight into the Lions team.
The Kent fans are going nuts on Social media saying he hasn't even played for Hampshire yet and he's got a call up etc... :)
Dan Lawrence has broken his hand too - so Northeast has walked off the plane and gone straight into the playing XI. Hampshire will be furious when they get about 5 games out of him before he's lost to England!
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Dan Lawrence has broken his hand too - so Northeast has walked off the plane and gone straight into the playing XI. Hampshire will be furious when they get about 5 games out of him before he's lost to England!
True, but everyone else will find it hilarious :D
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Dan Lawrence has broken his hand too - so Northeast has walked off the plane and gone straight into the playing XI. Hampshire will be furious when they get about 5 games out of him before he's lost to England!
They’ll be fine. Vince will be back full time by then!
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It's a master stroke of a decision by Northeast!! :)
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It's a master stroke of a decision by Northeast!! :)
The big counties are contacting every agent in the country reminding them what a move does! ;)
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More woefulness against spin by the Lions
Cricket Scorecard - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO42094 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO42094)
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More woefulness against spin by the Lions
Cricket Scorecard - [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO42094[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/scorecard/ECKO42094[/url])
We've been whitewashed in the series but not really surprised as we've been poor for years against spin.
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Since his call up, Sam Northeast has made 24 runs in 4 innings.
Maybe he isn't the next great hope for the full side after all... :(
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Sam Hain scored 144 yesterday and we still lost. Argh.
Come on Other Sams you need to score some runs!
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Sam Hain scored 144 yesterday and we still lost. Argh.
Come on Other Sams you need to score some runs!
he's got that Bairstow feelin'
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Since his call up, Sam Northeast has made 24 runs in 4 innings.
Maybe he isn't the next great hope for the full side after all... :(
We've heard that one before. Quite a few times, I think.