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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Novak on August 08, 2018, 03:54:53 PM
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Have been reading how it took Cook quite a while to adjust to the new regulation and the lid gap and he was trying to find a solution
I believe 45mm is the regulation these days or there abouts
However a few years ago 5 years ago etc what was the average lid gap on a helmet
Cook talks about his vision was slightly impaired with new lid so seeing the ball slightly late
Obviously one gets used to the lid regulations but just wondered on average what was the gap in mm a few years ago before the regulations came in place ...was it 60mm or more ?
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55-60mm...some county players wanted it bigger at 70-75mm.
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I played against a bloke the other week who had a new style Masuri from sports direct.
Because he didn't like the gap being so small he'd cut the whole top bar off! That was an accident waiting to happen...
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It's a shame the new lid is forcing ppl to take more unsafe measures that was not the idea ...
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Agreed. I can see adopting minimum standards for child sizes, but given that adults in the amateur game don't have to wear one at all, it is senseless to adopt standards that make it more likely that adults won't wear on at all because they don't like the restriction on their vision. It also increases the likelihood of players wearing old helmets that should be replaced.
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I can never understand people complaining about the gap in the helmet just as I can't understand people wanting to buy a cheap box, the two most important parts of the body should have the most protective bits of kit. People need to get over it.
Even if you play lower grade cricket, there is a possibility of top edging the ball into your face, which is why I always wear a helmet, even against the spinners.
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Glad this is being talked about. I feel though to some degree it is like speeding. We know the rules but when we think no-one is looking we drive at the speed we feel comfortable yet we know increasing the risk increases the likelihood of getting hurt.
Also in my opinion it is not only the gap that is important but also how far forward the grille is. If the grille is nearer your face older peaks can flex and deflect the ball inwards. Remote chance but it has happened. The Albion Elite helmets have stronger peaks so won't flex as easily but these sit on my ears and make me look like an Elf so I wear a 98. That is my accepted level of risk.
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For me the weight of the lid is moe important than the gap. The lighter the better.
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Glad this is being talked about. I feel though to some degree it is like speeding. We know the rules but when we think no-one is looking we drive at the speed we feel comfortable yet we know increasing the risk increases the likelihood of getting hurt.
Also in my opinion it is not only the gap that is important but also how far forward the grille is. If the grille is nearer your face older peaks can flex and deflect the ball inwards. Remote chance but it has happened. The Albion Elite helmets have stronger peaks so won't flex as easily but these sit on my ears and make me look like an Elf so I wear a 98. That is my accepted level of risk.
So am i not just the peak that could move i had the top bar of the grilled pushed into the bridge of my nose leading to an operation to remove bits off the grill and 50 plus small stiches.
Due to the location of where the brain is the surgeon said if the top bar had gone any deeper it could have killed me.
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@Seniorplayer Blimey. :o
What helmet were you using? And was it a steel or titanium grille?
I'm looking to replace my Albion Elite pro, as I top edged one into the peak, which broke in a couple of places. Did its
job I guess.
Despite neither one meeting current regulations, I'm debating whether to get another Elite (plastic lid, very lightweight) or an Ultimate 98 (carbon fibre lid, better padding but heavier.)
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@Seniorplayer Blimey. :o
What helmet were you using? And was it a steel or titanium grille?
I'm looking to replace my Albion Elite pro, as I top edged one into the peak, which broke in a couple of places. Did its
job I guess.
Despite neither one meeting current regulations, I'm debating whether to get another Elite (plastic lid, very lightweight) or an Ultimate 98 (carbon fibre lid, better padding but heavier.)
Definitely Blimey @Seniorplayer and then some. When my lid got hit it was just the peak that took the damage but it was the noise that shook me. It was definitely a wake up call. Hate to imagine anything else.
As for Albion I doubt you'll feel the difference in weight between the Elite and Ultimate 98. In your hand maybe but doubtful while wearing; I didn't.
While the Ultimate 98 is carbon fibre the peak flexes just as much as the original 98. That's why if you don't get pixie ears (or at least don't mind getting them) while wearing an Elite, then I'd go for that one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPi4IIH6hs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPi4IIH6hs8)
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I have had a lot of problems with lid gap and bobbing helmets impeding ball tracking.
Whenever I tried to tuck in my head to play fuller balls, I was missing the ball as in losing the ball while tracking with my eyes. I couldn't figure out what was going on. One day, I drew two parallel lines (few feet apart) on the ground and tracked my eyes from one line to another. One helmet grill clearly didn't allow my eyes to track to the the second line (closer to my feet) as the bottom of the grill kept hitting top of my chest while the other helmet did - the old style Masuri.
International level players obviously get a lot of hours in the nets so they can make the helmets work for themselves but I can see Cook's POV there. As an opener who faces quicks, it was a nightmare adjusting/re-adjusting helmet after every delivery. I took a long time to adjust back to my old style Masuri.
Despite all the material advances, I feel cricket gear is so crappy and so many problems are STILL not addressed correctly.
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@Seniorplayer Blimey. :o
What helmet were you using? And was it a steel or titanium grille?
I'm looking to replace my Albion Elite pro, as I top edged one into the peak, which broke in a couple of places. Did its
job I guess.
Despite neither one meeting current regulations, I'm debating whether to get another Elite (plastic lid, very lightweight) or an Ultimate 98 (carbon fibre lid, better padding but heavier.)
GM are releasing there new carbon helmet next week, could be a great option, at a very reasonable price
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Six sixes guessing lid gap won't be adjustable though
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Six sixes guessing lid gap won't be adjustable though
No not adjustable, but different heads suit different helmets, so vision differs on all helmets
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@Seniorplayer Blimey. :o
What helmet were you using? And was it a steel or titanium grille?
I'm looking to replace my Albion Elite pro, as I top edged one into the peak, which broke in a couple of places. Did its
job I guess.
Despite neither one meeting current regulations, I'm debating whether to get another Elite (plastic lid, very lightweight) or an Ultimate 98 (carbon fibre lid, better padding but heavier.)
The helmet was an S/S with steel grill although the bowler was trying to bounce me out every ball I don't blame the helmet or the bowler as I preferred to bat with a loose helmet chin strap.
The ball hit the grill in the mouth area and pushed the grill upwards and inwards into my face.
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The helmet was an S/S with steel grill although the bowler was trying to bounce me out every ball I don't blame the helmet or the bowler as I preferred to bat with a loose helmet chin strap.
The ball hit the grill in the mouth area and pushed the grill upwards and inwards into my face.
He must have been bowling, what, 80? 90? on a fast deck to buckle a steel grill like that. I've seen loads of batsmen grilled at 70-75mph and the helmet has never been damaged in the slightest. You must play a very high standard of cricket to face that kind of bowling. Are you pro?
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He must have been bowling, what, 80? 90? on a fast deck to buckle a steel grill like that. I've seen loads of batsmen grilled at 70-75mph and the helmet has never been damaged in the slightest. You must play a very high standard of cricket to face that kind of bowling. Are you pro?
No not a pro the bowler was a county player he told me his coaches had told him to bowl short and quick to try and nullify the scoring.
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No not a pro the bowler was a county player he told me his coaches had told him to bowl short and quick to try and nullify the scoring.
No wonder you only get 9 players in your team if you have county bowlers bowling bouncers at you!
Bit unsporting, isn't it, a a pro bowling bouncers at amateurs?
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No wonder you only get 9 players in your team if you have county bowlers bowling bouncers at you!
Bit unsporting, isn't it, a a pro bowling bouncers at amateurs?
Especially playing in Division 6...
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I do fear that the new helmet regs will lead to club players either not wearing a helmet at all or continuing to wear old helmets that should have been replaced because of the restricted vision the new regs require
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Helmet usage seems to have increased. A few years ago as a club we didn't even own a helmet and I didn't know anyone who regularly wore one. Nowadays there are maybe 2-3 batsmen on each side in helmets. Pretty much everyone wears one in nets now.
My helmet is 20 years old this year.
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Helmet usage seems to have increased. A few years ago as a club we didn't even own a helmet and I didn't know anyone who regularly wore one. Nowadays there are maybe 2-3 batsmen on each side in helmets. Pretty much everyone wears one in nets now.
My helmet is 20 years old this year.
I'm assuming you mean 2 or 3 not in helmets?
Pretty much everyone in our league wears one - you get a few who ditch them against spinners, and the odd maverick who goes without entirely.
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I'm assuming you mean 2 or 3 not in helmets?
Pretty much everyone in our league wears one - you get a few who ditch them against spinners, and the odd maverick who goes without entirely.
God no. 2 to 3 who wear a helmet. You simply don't need them at our level. Noone bowls above 75 and the pitches tend to be slow, so even if it hit you it wouldn't really hurt.
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God no. 2 to 3 who wear a helmet. You simply don't need them at our level. Noone bowls above 75 and the pitches tend to be slow, so even if it hit you it wouldn't really hurt.
To each their own, I'll always wear one now. We only get the odd quick bowling 75+, but have seen many a mishap over the years.
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To each their own, I'll always wear one now. We only get the odd quick bowling 75+, but have seen many a mishap over the years.
Same, the fact that I have to go to work on a Monday and have a family to provide for is enough to make me wear one. If there is the equipment to reduce the severity of an injury either happening or occurring then I’d take it.
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God no. 2 to 3 who wear a helmet. You simply don't need them at our level. Noone bowls above 75 and the pitches tend to be slow, so even if it hit you it wouldn't really hurt.
Having played thursday social cricket and been hit in the head without a helmet i can tell you even at that pace it still hurts and can do a lot of damage - i managed to top edge it into my face - luckily i had turned to square leg to see where it was going so it hit me just above the right eyebrow. dread to think what would have happened had it hit somewhere else.
I'm 38 and never had to wear a helmet through junior cricket but wear it all the time now - its a recent masuri so not adjustable grille - my only issue is that it tends to wobble about on my head when playing shots and running so i have to adjust it regularly.
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The wobbliness of an old (but trusty) helmet is a nightmare. I use old masuri with adjustable grill. Newer helmets are either heavy or don't provide the kind of clear visibility that Masuri does.
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Having played thursday social cricket and been hit in the head without a helmet i can tell you even at that pace it still hurts and can do a lot of damage - i managed to top edge it into my face - luckily i had turned to square leg to see where it was going so it hit me just above the right eyebrow. dread to think what would have happened had it hit somewhere else.
I'm 38 and never had to wear a helmet through junior cricket but wear it all the time now - its a recent masuri so not adjustable grille - my only issue is that it tends to wobble about on my head when playing shots and running so i have to adjust it regularly.
Have to watch out for beamers, also rouge attempted run out throws.
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If a helmet wobbles when running etc it’s not fitting you properly, seek new padding to get a snugger fit.
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Is this like a male thigh gap?
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Having played thursday social cricket and been hit in the head without a helmet i can tell you even at that pace it still hurts and can do a lot of damage - i managed to top edge it into my face - luckily i had turned to square leg to see where it was going so it hit me just above the right eyebrow. dread to think what would have happened had it hit somewhere else.
I'm 38 and never had to wear a helmet through junior cricket but wear it all the time now - its a recent masuri so not adjustable grille - my only issue is that it tends to wobble about on my head when playing shots and running so i have to adjust it regularly.
Would using the chin cup not help with this? Read in another thread you tend to cut this off.
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Would using the chin cup not help with this? Read in another thread you tend to cut this off.
MIght be something to try - it properly irritates my chin though!!
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I’ve got plenty spare if u do need a new one!