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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: Calzehbhoy on August 11, 2018, 07:46:12 AM
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Just read that from 2019/20 helmets will be compulsory for all cricket in Australia.
As a non helmet wearer (unless somebody I consider to be slightly sharper than I am comfortable against comes on) this would really impact my enjoyment of the game if they introduced it in the uk.
What are people’s thoughts, will it come in? Will it effect your game?
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Just read that from 2019/20 helmets will be compulsory for all cricket in Australia.
As a non helmet wearer (unless somebody I consider to be slightly sharper than I am comfortable against comes on) this would really impact my enjoyment of the game if they introduced it in the uk.
What are people’s thoughts, will it come in? Will it effect your game?
My feelings mirror yours exactly but I think it’s probably a good idea to bring in helmets for all.
The top edge to the face is as likely as being “bumped” and kids are wearing them through the age groups so it always amazes me that they choose not to wear one when they turn 18
If u think about it in detached reality, letting someone deliver a very hard ball as fast as they can and protecting everything apart from face, teeth & head is a bit crazy.
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Just wear the lid.
If you top edge one into your mouth why should your teammates have to play with your teeth in the pitch?
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Ridiculous. Imagine it'll put the same dent in particpation as when Australia made cycle helmets compulsory, and mainly at the more social end of the scale where cricket is struggling for participation already. Well done lawmakers, give yourselves a pat on the back.
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I think its a good decision. At the end of the day we play for fun and our lives are much more important than the game itself. This equipment is there for our safety and safety should be the number 1 priority on everyones mind. Live today, score a 100 tomorrow. Personally i dont even remove my helmet against spinners. Im more likely to top edge a slog sweep onto my face than get hit by a fast bouncer.
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Poor decision if it comes in for me
I can go with or without but plenty of our 2nds have never worn one and have tried to wear one last couple of years and just can’t get used to it after 30 years of without
It will put a massive dent in players if they force this in
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Personally only wear one if a bowler is quick enough that I don’t need feel confident I can pull a ball at my throat. Usually speeds of 78+
I’d hate to wear one vs dilly dobblers crap and spinners as I’d find it uncomfortable..let alone when it’s hot.. already too many batsmen who think having constant drinks outside of scheduled breaks is acceptable.. waiting for a drinks break is part of the test of batting !! Dehydration affects concentration etc etc.. plus, unless you’re already massively at fault, you won’t keel over batting for 90 mins
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Feel it's a good idea but lid gap needs reviewing
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I think its a great idea. I hate wearing a helmet but have since my eldest child was on the way.
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Everyone can get used to a lid given enough time......this will just force people (the ines who have been avoiding the annoying transition/getting used to a lid phase) to do it instead of put it on the never never . (This is coming from someone who put off getting used to wearing a lid until they were 34 yrs old !)
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Everyone can get used to a lid given enough time......this will just force people (the ines who have been avoiding the annoying transition/getting used to a lid phase) to do it instead of put it on the never never . (This is coming from someone who put off getting used to wearing a lid until they were 34 yrs old !)
No it won't. I'd say more of these types will just stop playing rather than shelling out for a lid. If it takes me two seasons to properly adjust, at my age, I might as well just retire from the game now.
It'll also hit the very friendly work league teams we have around here. There are a lot who just play for fun, and really are of a poor standard. These games, where most players turn up without batting/keeping kit will also fall by the wayside when there are not enough helmets to go round.
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A bit overly pessimistic to presume the adjustment period to wearing a lid will take 2 years , isn't it ? Also ,how about just have a bit more by way of training/net sessions to quicken up the ( much shorter than 2yrs) adjustment period ?
Even for these super friendly/casual teams you are referring to , im sure they could fork out 50 quid for a cheaper helmet ,knowing they would get at least 5yrs out of it ? I know plenty of other sports that participation rates aren't jeopardized by the purchase of one more item of safety equipment .
Basically , i think it just comes down to ' you don't know how easy it will be until you give it a good go' and old dogs not wanting to learn new tricks etc.
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My understanding is that a large majority of Australian competitions have already been enforcing this rule for at least the past 2 seasons. It would be a minority of them yet to do so. Personally I don't feel comfortable without a helmet and wear one under all circumstances. I think the key is to find a helmet that feels good and ideally relatively light. For me it's the ayrtek that hits the spot.
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Good idea. You can loose your teeth to a spinner! Or a full toss from a quick that you don’t pick up!
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I started wearing one a few season's back after a guy playing against a VERY dibbly dobbler top edged one into his face and nearly lost an eye... #justsayin
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It’s a funny thing.
I had to wear one for one year as they became compulsory for juniors. Hated it and the next season was happy to get rid.
Several years later I stared to play at a decent level, and although I was doing a good job of player the short ball, I reckoned it was only a matter of time till I got hit. So bought one.
Last season had abit of a bad run, playing a team of slow spinners and dibbly dibbles, I decided to go without, scored runs, and needed up with a pretty prolific end to my season.
This year was expecting to keep more, new I’d want a lid for that, so made sure I netted all winter in it.
Got used to it quickly, and haven’t noticed it while batting.
Stumping, I’ve took 3 to the kid, 2 bottom edges kicking up and one top edge, so happy I wore one.
I’ve said before and will say again, wear the lid at home, watch tv and make your tea etc in it, the grill soon becomes invicible.
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Wear a lid for many hours at 78+ but still find it obstructive. Th line about getting used to it is rubbish. I hate it and will take it off for most Bowlers but accept it’s sensible for genuine quicks or anyone at whatever level a player is at if you’re not comfy vs the short ball.
At 800-1000 balls a week in winter I’d say time isn’t an issue but it doesn’t help. Just doesn’t feel comfy and naturally I buy top end
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Always wear one when batting, but can't stand them when keeping. I think my league is about to make them compulsory for all batters and wicket keepers up to the stumps, slightly inconvenient, but more convenient than losing teeth, breaking your jaw or nose or any number of more serious injuries.
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It’s always going to be a highly contentious issue.
I’m from a time before helmets,
I’ve seen people hit, and I’ve known of one player being killed from a ball hitting them.
I don’t wear one, I’ve tried. Will I wear one? I honestly don’t know, for me it’s still the restriction of vision.
When they were introduced for motorcycles it caused a similar uproar, but I’m sure it’s saved a lot of lives.
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Personally I don’t understand why people don’t wear one. Why would you take the risk and bigger risk is playing it yourself from a top edge etc into your face and doing permenant damage.
I’m old enough that you didn’t have to wear one but would I want to put my family through potentially losing my sight or teeth or anything like that due to a simple lid! No I wouldn’t.
Already also seen two idiots who started batting in kids take them off at drinks and straight afterwards been skulled, effects the bowlers as one was knocked clean out with blood pouring from just above his temple and the other had his nose splattered across his face and that effects the bowlers mentally.
Personally feel they should be compulsory at any level
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Ban short-pitched intimidatory bowling in recreational cricket. Someone has already patented an idea with a 'no-ball' zone in the middle of the pitch. This seems a much better way forward than forcing everyone to wear a helmet to me. We play for enjoyment, ffs!
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The short pitch ball doesn't take away from the pitch doing a nasty bounce or the ball slipping from the bowlers hand and a Beamer
Personally I dont think not wear a helmet but I do hear why their are opposing views on recent comments
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You seriously think bowlers have the control to bowl within a certain area at our level? They struggle to bowl it one side of the wicket!
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Ban short-pitched intimidatory bowling in recreational cricket. Someone has already patented an idea with a 'no-ball' zone in the middle of the pitch. This seems a much better way forward than forcing everyone to wear a helmet to me. We play for enjoyment, ffs!
Might as well ban bowlers altogether and use a bowling machine to see how far each batsman can smack it. Smh
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Would a ban on short pitched bowling prevent someone top edging the ball into their face?
At club level how many people are hit as a result of a genuine bouncer? I'd be prepared to bet the majority of people who get hit is a result of a dodgy pitch or a poor shot redirecting the ball into the batsman.
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Ban short-pitched intimidatory bowling in recreational cricket. Someone has already patented an idea with a 'no-ball' zone in the middle of the pitch. This seems a much better way forward than forcing everyone to wear a helmet to me. We play for enjoyment, ffs!
Sorry but probably the most stupid idea. As has been said how many bowers in the lower leagues could put 6 balls in the same place.
The game is already so favoured to a batsmen ( I am a batsmen as well) that why would anyone want to be a bowler
Very simple really everyone has to wear a lid
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Ban short-pitched intimidatory bowling in recreational cricket. Someone has already patented an idea with a 'no-ball' zone in the middle of the pitch. This seems a much better way forward than forcing everyone to wear a helmet to me. We play for enjoyment, ffs!
Hell no. The game has too many batsmen who are big front doggers already.. it’s good fun when someone with GENUINE pace can knock them back a bit. Sure some take it too far but there are a lot of play who can’t play back foot so it’s genuinely good to test them out.
Of course, plenty of people try short bowling when they don’t really have the pace, that’s when it’s a bit pointless
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I managed to top edge a sweep off a spinner into my grille last year, was more than happy to be wearing a lid that day. Think once you've got kids its the responsible thing to do.
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Poor pitches are definitely a factor. Sort the pitches out!
People have played cricket is this country for hundreds of years without (many) people being killed or seriously hurt.
Why would an amateur cricketer want to physically hurt another amateur cricketer, who's got to be at work on Monday?
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Poor pitches are definitely a factor. Sort the pitches out!
People have played cricket is this country for hundreds of years without (many) people being killed or seriously hurt.
Why would an amateur cricketer want to physically hurt another amateur cricketer, who's got to be at work on Monday?
The same players who take Saturday Cricket so seriously they verbally abuse players and claim they are just being competitive
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The same players who take Saturday Cricket so seriously they verbally abuse players and claim they are just being competitive
They think it is what pros do.
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At club level how many people are hit as a result of a genuine bouncer? I'd be prepared to bet the majority of people who get hit is a result of a dodgy pitch or a poor shot redirecting the ball into the batsman.
Much to my surprise I took the first ball of the game straight in the grille yesterday! Don't know if the bloke meant it or not but watched him bowl trundle while warming up and was shocked when the first ball was a perfect bouncer at pace. Shows why 'i'll put one on if someone quick comes on' is a terrible excuse. Still think compulsory kids would be ridiculous mind
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I don't wear one as I don't face anything quick at my level but I wouldn't have a problem if it was made compulsory. If players are happy to tinker with stances, trigger movements, different bat weights and handle shapes then they can get used to wearing a lid as well.
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I'm of an age where i never had to wear a helmet as a kid and i never wore one until last season. I have been hit in the face before and actually was lucky not to lose an eye after top edging into my face.
I've started to wear one recently as i've felt my eyes were starting to go and i've found i can actually concentrate much better wearing one as i feel it narrows my vision and has helped me to concentrate on the ball a lot better - my scores have improved since wearing it.
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I've starting wearing a helmet in nets, where I'm facing our quick bowlers on a bouncy indoor track in bad lighting after I cracked my eye socket off a top edge a few years ago. I still can't stand wearing it though.
But outside, on a slow low pitch against dibbly dobblies? No chance. Very few competent batsmen at our level wear helmets.
As for the "why take the risk", there are lots of things we do that are riskier than batting against slow bowlers without a helmet, and wearing a helmet definitely impinges on my ability to both enjoy the game and to score runs.
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I've starting wearing a helmet in nets, where I'm facing our quick bowlers on a bouncy indoor track in bad lighting after I cracked my eye socket off a top edge a few years ago. I still can't stand wearing it though.
But outside, on a slow low pitch against dibbly dobblies? No chance. Very few competent batsmen at our level wear helmets.
As for the "why take the risk", there are lots of things we do that are riskier than batting against slow bowlers without a helmet, and wearing a helmet definitely impinges on my ability to both enjoy the game and to score runs.
Don’t know what “level” you play but the vast majority of competent batsmen i play with and against always wear a helmet. Personal preference but I would never not wear one and do feel that they should be compulsory in all league cricket
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Only time i did not wear helmet due to oppo's dibbly dobblies bowling on damp wicket i got hit on jaw. It was spin bowler, only bowl that bounced and bounced right off my jaw.
I wear helmet since then and always wore it before that incident too. Against spin bowling it gives me confidence to sweep imagine if i miss one and not wearing helmet
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I think if it works for you then wear a helmet and if it doesn’t work, then don’t wear one. However with all kids growing up wearing a helmet these days I’m sure in the future everyone will be wearing one.
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Wear whatever your comfortable with. Some people are better than others against the short ball and some can handle higher speeds and some can’t.
Each to their own but tbf, the majority of bowlers who think they are quick aren’t so a short ball isn’t an issue unless you panic
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would advocate wearing an helmet and unless you want to risk having stitches in your face (like me ) and unlike me make sure it' can't move.
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Don’t know what “level” you play but the vast majority of competent batsmen i play with and against always wear a helmet. Personal preference but I would never not wear one and do feel that they should be compulsory in all league cricket
Just let people make their own decisions. If you want to wear one, fine. But you have absolutely no right to tell me what to do. If I want to walk out there and face 80mph bowling in flip-flops and shorts, that's my decision, no-one else's.
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I was brought up wearing a helmet, have only batted without one a handful of times at grounds where the bounce is consistently low. In these circumstances I take the sweep out of the game to remove risk against spin, but as soon as a quick comes on the helmet comes out.
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Just let people make their own decisions. If you want to wear one, fine. But you have absolutely no right to tell me what to do. If I want to walk out there and face 80mph bowling in flip-flops and shorts, that's my decision, no-one else's.
Don't you find it's a pain to run between the wickets in flip flops?
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I'm all for personal choice, however for me the issue comes with insurance as a registered player. If I decided against wearing a helmet and got my teeth knocked in, I don't think I'd count on seeing any of that insurance money. It's sort of the same deal as leaving your window down and keys in the ignition and then being upset when someone has pinched your car.
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Don't you find it's a pain to run between the wickets in flip flops?
You don't have to run when you just hit a series of enormous 6's mate.
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You don't have to run when you just hit a series of enormous 6's mate.
Depends on the angle surely?
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I'm all for personal choice, however for me the issue comes with insurance as a registered player. If I decided against wearing a helmet and got my teeth knocked in, I don't think I'd count on seeing any of that insurance money. It's sort of the same deal as leaving your window down and keys in the ignition and then being upset when someone has pinched your car.
its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.
That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.
I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?
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You don't have to run when you just hit a series of enormous 6's mate.
What about the bloke at the other end? Just walk singles when they hit it?
its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.
That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.
I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?
That's just silly. Compulsory drinking straws would clearly resolve that (not plastic ones, though)
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its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.
That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.
I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?
Prevention is better than a cure, just because you haven't been seriously hit in 1000 games doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
I saw two people go to hospital in the same game last season, one with a fractured eye socket that would have 100% been avoided with the use of a helmet.
Sure, you can get hurt whilst wearing a helmet, and you can be fine after getting hit without one, but you can't seriously suggest that the risk of getting hit and seriously injured without a helmet is only marginally higher than being hit with one.
I'm sorry about your tooth, but in that instance, you've been involved in a genuine accident, the most important aspect of which is it's unexpected nature. If you walk out to bat without a helmet, you walk out knowing that there is a chance that you will have a ball directed at your face.
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Just let people make their own decisions. If you want to wear one, fine. But you have absolutely no right to tell me what to do. If I want to walk out there and face 80mph bowling in flip-flops and shorts, that's my decision, no-one else's.
Don’t believe I ever “told you what to do”
Anyway even if I did from reading your posts you would no doubt know better, score a double hundred batting in your shorts and flip flops using your opposite hand and score all in 6’s judging every angle to perfection.
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Helmet debates always confuse me, in cricket and in cycling (although there's solid logic/evidence against bringing in compulsory cycling helmets which there isn't so much in cricket). Why can the pro-compulsory types never just accept that everyone views risk differently? For some even a low risk is still a risk, some change their behaviour according to level of risk.
Everyone has their own personal view on when they need to wear safety equipment, and given the very low risk to most amateur cricketers, generally speaking everyone is right. The problems come when you start dictating to players what they have to do. Played on game this season where there were a couple of lads about 8/9 years old having a bat and bowl by the edge of the boundary, mostly with a tennis ball. They grab a cricket ball and bowl a few and their scorer soon shouts over to them that they've got to wear pads gloves and helmet if they're using a hard ball. You could visibly see the young lad's enthusiasm die and within a couple of minutes they'd ditched the kit and gone back to tennis ball. Same happens again, scorer tells them off again and shortly after that they stop bothering to play cricket at all. Would be exactly the same in league cricket if you told a bunch of lower league players who've never worn a helmet in 30-40 years of playing - bugger that, time to retire from league matches.
NB - I wear a helmet and would encourage anyone else to too. What I wouldn't want to do is tell someone who doesn't want to wear one that they're not allowed to play.
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Helmet debates always confuse me, in cricket and in cycling (although there's solid logic/evidence against bringing in compulsory cycling helmets which there isn't so much in cricket). Why can the pro-compulsory types never just accept that everyone views risk differently? For some even a low risk is still a risk, some change their behaviour according to level of risk.
Everyone has their own personal view on when they need to wear safety equipment, and given the very low risk to most amateur cricketers, generally speaking everyone is right. The problems come when you start dictating to players what they have to do. Played on game this season where there were a couple of lads about 8/9 years old having a bat and bowl by the edge of the boundary, mostly with a tennis ball. They grab a cricket ball and bowl a few and their scorer soon shouts over to them that they've got to wear pads gloves and helmet if they're using a hard ball. You could visibly see the young lad's enthusiasm die and within a couple of minutes they'd ditched the kit and gone back to tennis ball. Same happens again, scorer tells them off again and shortly after that they stop bothering to play cricket at all. Would be exactly the same in league cricket if you told a bunch of lower league players who've never worn a helmet in 30-40 years of playing - bugger that, time to retire from league matches.
NB - I wear a helmet and would encourage anyone else to too. What I wouldn't want to do is tell someone who doesn't want to wear one that they're not allowed to play.
I run a load of junior cricket and - obviously - strictly enforce the rule that helmets must be worn at all times whenever batting against live bowling or even overarm throwdowns. The kids all moan about this, obviously, because helmets are awful things. Hot and heavy and impede your vision.
But I do feel like a hypocrite - I didn't even try on a helmet until I was 18, and if we were just having a knock around in the park or the garden, we certainly wouldn't bother with any protective equipment at all - just a cricket bat, a cricket ball, and prop a bag up to make a set of stumps. We'd laugh if someone suggested we use a tennis ball to play cricket with.
Risk? What risk? Just hit the ball with the bloody bat.
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ironically I wear a helmet when cycling and think people who don't are stupid. Cars and concrete kerbs are a lot more dangerous than a 5 oz ball, and a cycling helmet is so unobtrusive you barely know you're wearing it.
But I would never suggest it should be compulsory. Who am I to tell other people what to do?
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Solution .....
All the 'shouldnt tell people what they can and cant do' mob , move to the u.s.a.
All the 'helmets should be compulsory' brigade , move to australia.
Problem solved . :D
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I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.
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I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.
It depends how much cricket you play.
Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)
I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games
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It depends how much cricket you play.
Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)
I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games
yes, you called?
i started playing adult cricket at 14 and im 51, never missed a season.
ive chased a lot a leather round the field, more so this season it has seemed. :)
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It depends how much cricket you play.
Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)
I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games
I used to play 5 games a week when I was a teenager. Tuesday night T20 league, Wednesday afternoon school cricket, Thursday night T20 friendly, Saturday league cricket, Sunday declaration cricket.
I probably haven't played 1000 games, but I bet its not far off.
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Played my first league game at 11,, I’m 50 now,, it’s only this year I’ve stopped the Sunday games and midweek it’s been two years since I played
No wonder my body is knackered
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I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.
We have someone who is well over 1000 games of Cricket and if they’d not pretty much stopped.. could be nearer 1200+
It can be done easily but you’d need to play sat and sun more often than not year after year .
Personally I’m at Just over 500 in 8 seasons (not all on play cricket sadly but most) 5-6 Cricket weeks help the game numbers 🙈