Topic: Compulsory Helmets (Read 9907 times)

Big Mac · « **Reply #45 on:** September 11, 2018, 12:31:17 PM »

Quote from: SLA on September 11, 2018, 12:22:36 PM

You don't have to run when you just hit a series of enormous 6's mate.

Depends on the angle surely?

SLA · « **Reply #46 on:** September 11, 2018, 12:34:26 PM »

Quote from: HellomynameisJ on September 11, 2018, 11:55:04 AM

I'm all for personal choice, however for me the issue comes with insurance as a registered player. If I decided against wearing a helmet and got my teeth knocked in, I don't think I'd count on seeing any of that insurance money. It's sort of the same deal as leaving your window down and keys in the ignition and then being upset when someone has pinched your car.

its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.

That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.

I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #47 on:** September 11, 2018, 12:49:53 PM »

Quote from: SLA on September 11, 2018, 12:22:36 PM

You don't have to run when you just hit a series of enormous 6's mate.

What about the bloke at the other end? Just walk singles when they hit it?

Quote from: SLA on September 11, 2018, 12:34:26 PM

its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.

That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.

I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?

That's just silly. Compulsory drinking straws would clearly resolve that (not plastic ones, though)

HellomynameisJ · « **Reply #48 on:** September 11, 2018, 01:02:49 PM »

Quote from: SLA on September 11, 2018, 12:34:26 PM

its all a matter of degree, though, isn't it. I must have batted in 1000 cricket games without a helmet without ever getting seriously hit on the head, and the number of people I've seen hit on the head is minimal, and none of them have ever been serious. So I would suggest that the additional risk of batting without a helmet is not zero, but it is very, very small.

That isn't true of the risk of theft of a car if you left your keys in the ignition.

I have lost a tooth because my toddler clumsily whacked the glass I was drinking water out of. Perhaps we should make it compulsory to wear helmets when drinking water in front of toddlers?

Prevention is better than a cure, just because you haven't been seriously hit in 1000 games doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.
I saw two people go to hospital in the same game last season, one with a fractured eye socket that would have 100% been avoided with the use of a helmet.

Sure, you can get hurt whilst wearing a helmet, and you can be fine after getting hit without one, but you can't seriously suggest that the risk of getting hit and seriously injured without a helmet is only marginally higher than being hit with one.

I'm sorry about your tooth, but in that instance, you've been involved in a genuine accident, the most important aspect of which is it's unexpected nature. If you walk out to bat without a helmet, you walk out knowing that there is a chance that you will have a ball directed at your face.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #49 on:** September 11, 2018, 01:11:13 PM »

Quote from: SLA on September 11, 2018, 11:13:06 AM

Just let people make their own decisions. If you want to wear one, fine. But you have absolutely no right to tell me what to do. If I want to walk out there and face 80mph bowling in flip-flops and shorts, that's my decision, no-one else's.

Don�t believe I ever �told you what to do�

Anyway even if I did from reading your posts you would no doubt know better, score a double hundred batting in your shorts and flip flops using your opposite hand and score all in 6�s judging every angle to perfection.

edge · « **Reply #50 on:** September 11, 2018, 01:24:07 PM »

Helmet debates always confuse me, in cricket and in cycling (although there's solid logic/evidence against bringing in compulsory cycling helmets which there isn't so much in cricket). Why can the pro-compulsory types never just accept that everyone views risk differently? For some even a low risk is still a risk, some change their behaviour according to level of risk.

Everyone has their own personal view on when they need to wear safety equipment, and given the very low risk to most amateur cricketers, generally speaking everyone is right. The problems come when you start dictating to players what they have to do. Played on game this season where there were a couple of lads about 8/9 years old having a bat and bowl by the edge of the boundary, mostly with a tennis ball. They grab a cricket ball and bowl a few and their scorer soon shouts over to them that they've got to wear pads gloves and helmet if they're using a hard ball. You could visibly see the young lad's enthusiasm die and within a couple of minutes they'd ditched the kit and gone back to tennis ball. Same happens again, scorer tells them off again and shortly after that they stop bothering to play cricket at all. Would be exactly the same in league cricket if you told a bunch of lower league players who've never worn a helmet in 30-40 years of playing - bugger that, time to retire from league matches.

NB - I wear a helmet and would encourage anyone else to too. What I wouldn't want to do is tell someone who doesn't want to wear one that they're not allowed to play.

SLA · « **Reply #51 on:** September 11, 2018, 03:32:25 PM »

Quote from: edge on September 11, 2018, 01:24:07 PM

Helmet debates always confuse me, in cricket and in cycling (although there's solid logic/evidence against bringing in compulsory cycling helmets which there isn't so much in cricket). Why can the pro-compulsory types never just accept that everyone views risk differently? For some even a low risk is still a risk, some change their behaviour according to level of risk.

Everyone has their own personal view on when they need to wear safety equipment, and given the very low risk to most amateur cricketers, generally speaking everyone is right. The problems come when you start dictating to players what they have to do. Played on game this season where there were a couple of lads about 8/9 years old having a bat and bowl by the edge of the boundary, mostly with a tennis ball. They grab a cricket ball and bowl a few and their scorer soon shouts over to them that they've got to wear pads gloves and helmet if they're using a hard ball. You could visibly see the young lad's enthusiasm die and within a couple of minutes they'd ditched the kit and gone back to tennis ball. Same happens again, scorer tells them off again and shortly after that they stop bothering to play cricket at all. Would be exactly the same in league cricket if you told a bunch of lower league players who've never worn a helmet in 30-40 years of playing - bugger that, time to retire from league matches.

NB - I wear a helmet and would encourage anyone else to too. What I wouldn't want to do is tell someone who doesn't want to wear one that they're not allowed to play.

I run a load of junior cricket and - obviously - strictly enforce the rule that helmets must be worn at all times whenever batting against live bowling or even overarm throwdowns. The kids all moan about this, obviously, because helmets are awful things. Hot and heavy and impede your vision.

But I do feel like a hypocrite - I didn't even try on a helmet until I was 18, and if we were just having a knock around in the park or the garden, we certainly wouldn't bother with any protective equipment at all - just a cricket bat, a cricket ball, and prop a bag up to make a set of stumps. We'd laugh if someone suggested we use a tennis ball to play cricket with.

Risk? What risk? Just hit the ball with the bloody bat.

SLA · « **Reply #52 on:** September 11, 2018, 03:34:45 PM »

ironically I wear a helmet when cycling and think people who don't are stupid. Cars and concrete kerbs are a lot more dangerous than a 5 oz ball, and a cycling helmet is so unobtrusive you barely know you're wearing it.

But I would never suggest it should be compulsory. Who am I to tell other people what to do?

Biggie Smalls · « **Reply #53 on:** September 12, 2018, 04:59:24 AM »

Solution .....
All the 'shouldnt tell people what they can and cant do' mob , move to the u.s.a.
All the 'helmets should be compulsory' brigade , move to australia.
Problem solved .

jayralh · « **Reply #54 on:** September 12, 2018, 10:42:28 AM »

I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #55 on:** September 12, 2018, 01:23:23 PM »

Quote from: jayralh on September 12, 2018, 10:42:28 AM

I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.

It depends how much cricket you play.

Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)

I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games

ppccopener · « **Reply #56 on:** September 12, 2018, 01:57:50 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on September 12, 2018, 01:23:23 PM

It depends how much cricket you play.

Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)

I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games

yes, you called?

i started playing adult cricket at 14 and im 51, never missed a season.

ive chased a lot a leather round the field, more so this season it has seemed.

SLA · « **Reply #57 on:** September 12, 2018, 02:56:16 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on September 12, 2018, 01:23:23 PM

It depends how much cricket you play.

Just for simplicity:
Assuming the season is 20 weeks long, and you play 3 matches every week it would take just under 17 years to rack up 1,000 games. (That assumes you bat in every game and never lose any to the weather)

I'd imagine there are a fair few players lurking around who have played in at least 1,000 games

I used to play 5 games a week when I was a teenager. Tuesday night T20 league, Wednesday afternoon school cricket, Thursday night T20 friendly, Saturday league cricket, Sunday declaration cricket.

I probably haven't played 1000 games, but I bet its not far off.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #58 on:** September 12, 2018, 03:33:28 PM »

Played my first league game at 11,, I�m 50 now,, it�s only this year I�ve stopped the Sunday games and midweek it�s been two years since I played
No wonder my body is knackered

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #59 on:** September 12, 2018, 07:00:47 PM »

Quote from: jayralh on September 12, 2018, 10:42:28 AM

I never heard anyone batted in 1000 matches. That's like 3 years of non stop cricket.

We have someone who is well over 1000 games of Cricket and if they�d not pretty much stopped.. could be nearer 1200+

It can be done easily but you�d need to play sat and sun more often than not year after year .

Personally I�m at Just over 500 in 8 seasons (not all on play cricket sadly but most) 5-6 Cricket weeks help the game numbers 🙈

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