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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: six and out on January 16, 2020, 07:39:50 AM
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Thought I would start this off as it will be here before you know it.
Also this popped up on Twitter. Great signing for the Yorkies....
https://yorkshireccc.com/news/view/8201/ashwin-to-join-white-rose
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Bad news for Bess (or a good mentor?)
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Bad news for Bess (or a good mentor?)
Bess plays for Somerset Brucie! Only went to Yorks on loan last year, guessing he won't be doing that again with them signing Ashwin and Maharaj. Safe to say it's the end of red ball Rashid too.
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C’mon Super Kent!
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I wish the ECB would respect the County Championship like the overseas boards do, going through the lists now for next year and it's loaded with Aussies; Lyon, Bancroft, Siddle, Neser, Handscomb, Labuschagne, Wade, Head.
Think we'll do alright next year, Neser in our bowling attack and getting Hashim (admittedly as a kolpak) is a good move.
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Bess plays for Somerset Brucie! Only went to Yorks on loan last year, guessing he won't be doing that again with them signing Ashwin and Maharaj. Safe to say it's the end of red ball Rashid too.
Hard to tell - I mean, some of the pitches that teams - Somerset, Essex, I'm looking at you - prepared last year, you might want three spinners.
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I wish the ECB would respect the County Championship like the overseas boards do, going through the lists now for next year and it's loaded with Aussies; Lyon, Bancroft, Siddle, Neser, Handscomb, Labuschagne, Wade, Head.
Think we'll do alright next year, Neser in our bowling attack and getting Hashim (admittedly as a kolpak) is a good move.
Why is the fact that a lot of counties have Aussies as their overseas disrespectful to the chsmpionship?
What's disrespectful is the fixtures being pushed to either end of the season and Div 1 teams not getting to play each other twice. I also don't like the way the loan system and short term signings are being used.
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This has just come out, and could get very messy I think.
'PCA backs overseas player increase'
http://www.skysports.com/share/11926994 (http://www.skysports.com/share/11926994)
Kolpak: PCA would back two overseas players per county post-Brexit - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51387075 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51387075)
What I don't get is the following, it says that.... "Following Brexit, the England and Wales Cricket Board has advised counties that Kolpak registrations will be terminated at the end of the 2020 season."
Surely that makes Amla and Philanders 2yr deals a bit crazy??
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Unless they're on 2 year deals with the understanding that the 2nd year being registered as overseas players.
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Does that also solve South africas selection issues? Lots of players would become available again?
Abott, Olivier, russow, viljoen, harmer to name a few
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Does that also solve South africas selection issues? Lots of players would become available again?
Abott, Olivier, russow, viljoen, harmer to name a few
Not really, remember the majority of them went Kolpak at least partly because they weren't cutting it at international level. Abbott would be the only absolute definite pick I'd say, Harmer a probable.
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Not really, remember the majority of them went Kolpak at least partly because they weren't cutting it at international level. Abbott would be the only absolute definite pick I'd say, Harmer a probable.
Olivier had just taken a stack of wickets for SA when he went down the Kolpak route and looked set to establish himself in their Test side so I think you might be misremembering in his case.
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I was going to say Olivier would walk straight back into that side
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Abbott and Olivier are alot more threatening than Paterson & Hendricks. Viljoen certainly a yard quicker. Kleinveldt was in consideration when he left the country. The lad that Glamorgan signed a few years ago De Lange has pace and would be getting games now. Quite a talent drain!
SA looked toothless at times in the Test series on quite helpful pitches.
Harmer might do a slightly better job than Maharaj with the ball but by the sounds of it wants to play for England now!
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https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28645624/seven-kolpak-players-south-africa-love-back (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28645624/seven-kolpak-players-south-africa-love-back)
Little article here about the subject
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He did do well in his brief test career but Olivier had a pretty average season for Yorks (second worst average of anyone to take over 20 wickets in Div1) while Nortje just had a great series for SA, so would Olivier get selected tomorrow? Unlikely, given everyone available the three seamers would probably be Rabada, Abbot and Nortje.
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Great for SA cricket, about time the loophole was closed.
Argument of whether country cricket has ruined the SA game vs. Giving chance for players to secure a future.
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He did do well in his brief test career but Olivier had a pretty average season for Yorks (second worst average of anyone to take over 20 wickets in Div1) while Nortje just had a great series for SA, so would Olivier get selected tomorrow? Unlikely, given everyone available the three seamers would probably be Rabada, Abbot and Nortje.
Might not be the first pick now but they seemingly rated him pretty highly and he'd be ahead of Patterson or Hendricks IMO.
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Might not be the first pick now but they seemingly rated him pretty highly and he'd be ahead of Patterson or Hendricks IMO.
Paterson's an allrounder, Hendricks definitely but he doesn't get in their best side anyway.
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Patterson's the captain. But not really an all-rounder.
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Patterson's the captain. But not really an all-rounder.
Captain of what?
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Seems to be Patterson/Paterson mix up!
Ones a yorskshire player and the others a Proteas bowler with bad teeth.
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Seems to be Patterson/Paterson mix up!
Ones a yorskshire player and the others a Proteas bowler with bad teeth.
Or even a Paterson/Pretorius mixup, doh. I'd forgotten about Paterson, his bowling was that average.
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Seems to be Patterson/Paterson mix up!
Ones a yorskshire player and the others a Proteas bowler with bad teeth.
Could have maybe just left it at a Protea bowler.
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Could have maybe just left it at a Protea bowler.
Ha, probably, just can’t get past his teeth any time I see him on TV. Imagine SA players get less than English ones but sorting my teeth would be up my priority list regardless :D
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Seems to be Patterson/Paterson mix up!
Ones a yorskshire player and the others a Proteas bowler with bad teeth.
Sorry, my bad. I skim-read the thread and thought it was about Yorkshire.
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I understand the SA drain due to Kolpak but I am still concerned about SA transformation policy. From what I remember the reason around Abbot taking the Kolpak deal was he got dropped to meet the transformation requirements for Philander who was not 100% fit. If he were to come back will he get into the team if SA needed to meet the quota requirement or would he get dropped for Ngidi. My money says he will be the first person to lose his place in that situation, even though he might be a better bowler. Majority of the bowling Kolpak players are in the same boat. The only way they would get into the team is SA find top order batsmen who can help with transformation policy.
In the current team the only players that can are Temba, Keegan Petersen and Hamza. Does SA have any keepers that are close to De Kock that can also help? The last couple of series the backup keepers have ben Klaasen and Second, neither off them help with the quota. If SA wants to win they have to pick the best team for international games from the players available. They can experiment with the transformation at the first class and local level to provide additional opportunities.
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Ha, probably, just can’t get past his teeth any time I see him on TV. Imagine SA players get less than English ones but sorting my teeth would be up my priority list regardless :D
Yeah because fake tans and the Hollywood smile is what cricket is all about.
What next, Botox for anyone over 30 and free augmentations for lady team members should they be deemed lacking by the self appointed 'Adonis'.
@Kulli
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Sorry, my bad. I skim-read the thread and thought it was about Yorkshire.
Peterson, Patterson, Pietersen, Pattinson, easily done.
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Peterson, Patterson, Pietersen, Pattinson, easily done.
No, only a single 't' we're talking about. And let's face it, spelling on here isn't always the best.
I don't know Paterson. Only Super Steve.
I should have known a county championship thread wasn't really about the county championship.
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This has just come out, and could get very messy I think.
'PCA backs overseas player increase'
[url]http://www.skysports.com/share/11926994[/url] ([url]http://www.skysports.com/share/11926994[/url])
Kolpak: PCA would back two overseas players per county post-Brexit - [url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51387075[/url] ([url]https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/51387075[/url])
What I don't get is the following, it says that.... "Following Brexit, the England and Wales Cricket Board has advised counties that Kolpak registrations will be terminated at the end of the 2020 season."
Surely that makes Amla and Philanders 2yr deals a bit crazy??
I think that the situation - as with everything tied into Brexit - is far from clear cut as to what all happen post 2020. We may find ourselves remaining in alignment with EU freedom of movement laws, in which case the Kolpak situation could continue or we may not in which case it won't. One can understand the uncertainty this creates.
The question as to what happens with those under contacts that go beyond 2020 really depends on what is in those contracts. It's not uncommon to include a break clause. Practically speaking allowing 2 overseas in the CC would probably be the best of all parties to create certainty