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Title: XI for first Test?
Post by: FattusCattus on July 03, 2020, 09:36:09 PM
Assuming everyone's fit, what would your XI be for the first test?

This is the XI that will be picked -

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Denly
Stokes
Pope
Butler
Ali
Archer
Broad
Anderson


This is the XI that should be picked:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Lawrence
Pope
Stokes
Foakes
Bess
Wood
Archer
Anderson
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Jimbo on July 03, 2020, 09:52:26 PM
I would maybe have Woakes in for one of Archer or Wood but otherwise your suggested XI looks spot on to me. Lawrence looks a great prospect, Crawley should be given a chance to stake a claim at 3, Foakes deserves a run in the side.

Sneaking suspicion Lawrence could be an excellent long term option at 3 with Crawley to go away and become the next opener. Just think he may be a more natural 3 than Crawley.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: LEACHY48 on July 03, 2020, 11:06:40 PM
For me the 11 will be as you have suggested.

What I'd like to see is:

Burns
Sibley
Crawley
Lawrence
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Broad
Archer
Anderson

My reasoning is broad is still one of the greatest seam bowlers England have ever had, him and Anderson on their day are capable of bowling teams out in a session. Archer provides the enforcement option, and a genuinely exciting prospect that makes bowling express pace look easy, for me then it's a toss up between bess and wood.

Wood misses out in this case because I think a spin option is invaluable and stokes provides some overs to account for the absence of a 4th genuine seamer
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Ams4287 on July 04, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
Think if Wood is fit he'll retain his place but either way the bowlers will be rotated.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: sgcricket on July 04, 2020, 09:12:25 AM
Not sold on Burns.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: six and out on July 04, 2020, 10:06:26 AM

Squad announced. Bess the only spinner and no Lawrence in the squad.

'Bess earns spin spot in England Test squad'

http://www.skysports.com/share/12020825 (http://www.skysports.com/share/12020825)

Also, Bairstow and Mo don't make the reserve player list!
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: alexhilly1492 on July 04, 2020, 10:31:13 AM
Not sold on Burns.

Really why?

His technique by any chance?

Got 2 hundreds in not that many tests, scored 1000 div 1 runs for 5 years running all opening

He's the best opener in the country (Sibley a close second)
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: ppccopener on July 04, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
Really why?

His technique by any chance?

Got 2 hundreds in not that many tests, scored 1000 div 1 runs for 5 years running all opening

He's the best opener in the country (Sibley a close second)

I'm sure Burns had to wait longer because he is unorthodox, him and Sibley are strong willed individuals whose technique works for them.

Def have to persist with these guys and prob Crawley as well, who could slot into Denlys spot after this match.

Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Jeff Navarro on July 04, 2020, 11:37:40 AM
Really glad to see we are taking the right path with the test side. Bess a decent young spinner definitely more worthy than Ali - whom was pathetic last time we toured India. Bairstow has been given far too many opportunities in the test side and it’s only right he’s licker into touch now.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: csnew on July 04, 2020, 11:47:05 AM
Really glad to see we are taking the right path with the test side. Bess a decent young spinner definitely more worthy than Ali - whom was pathetic last time we toured India. Bairstow has been given far too many opportunities in the test side and it’s only right he’s licker into touch now.

3rd account for Gerry SA?
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: sgcricket on July 04, 2020, 12:05:41 PM
I personally feel Crawley, Sibley and Lawrence will do better and should be given chances. Once Root is back, push Crawley and Sibley to open and then Burns doesn’t have a place. That was my thinking.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Jimbo on July 04, 2020, 01:53:32 PM
I personally feel Crawley, Sibley and Lawrence will do better and should be given chances. Once Root is back, push Crawley and Sibley to open and then Burns doesn’t have a place. That was my thinking.

Burns has got a good few years left at his best. Give Crawley more time to develop, he's still very much picked on potential not ability. Would like to see Lawrence introduced to the side and Pope moved up to 5 which seems a natural fit for him at the moment.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: pablomarmite on July 04, 2020, 01:54:55 PM
I personally feel Crawley, Sibley and Lawrence will do better and should be given chances. Once Root is back, push Crawley and Sibley to open and then Burns doesn’t have a place. That was my thinking.

Denly is one who misses out for me once Root returns.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: six and out on July 06, 2020, 09:07:11 AM
Have you seen the special 1 off NHS Kookaburra bat Jos is using..... quality from him

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCStqbNjztE/?igshid=fiihqc35k3c9 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCStqbNjztE/?igshid=fiihqc35k3c9)
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: SD on July 06, 2020, 11:55:27 AM
Not sold on Burns.

Me neither.  I haven't seen him make a score without being dropped at least once and it is the same two faults - driving outside off without committing his weight into the shot or playing across the line to leg - that cause him trouble.

He deserves a run in the side but an average of 33 whilst the luck has been with you isn't something the write home about.  He is far from showing that he has established himself at this level in my view
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: ppccopener on July 06, 2020, 01:11:40 PM
The paper that normally gets selection right is tipping Broad to miss out
Wonder if we have to get used to Broad or Anderson now in rotation or playing Wood and Archer together proves too tempting.

I haven’t seen much myself to think Broad is not bowling well enough in the last 12 months
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Jimbo on July 06, 2020, 02:26:55 PM
The paper that normally gets selection right is tipping Broad to miss out
Wonder if we have to get used to Broad or Anderson now in rotation or playing Wood and Archer together proves too tempting.

I haven’t seen much myself to think Broad is not bowling well enough in the last 12 months

Personally I'd have Broad ahead of Jimmy right now. Not convinced he's fully over his ongoing injury issues.

The idea of England fielding two 90+mph bowlers is pretty exciting as well, potentially a few others in the wings as well (JOverton and Stone the obvious two).
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: six and out on July 06, 2020, 03:32:06 PM
The paper that normally gets selection right is tipping Broad to miss out
Wonder if we have to get used to Broad or Anderson now in rotation or playing Wood and Archer together proves too tempting.

I haven’t seen much myself to think Broad is not bowling well enough in the last 12 months

I find it interesting that we are considering playing Archer and Wood together when we have 3 back to back tests (can't remember that ever happening).

Surely they would be better splitting them up because you would only get 2 out of 3 when it comes to the likes of Wood.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Buzz on July 06, 2020, 04:34:18 PM
Not sure on the bowlers, but I would expect the team to be

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Crawley (largely confirmed at 4)
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Bess
Archer
Broad
Anderson

The idea that they would play wood, Archer and Anderson as an attack is mad given the history of injuries.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: shadowlight on July 06, 2020, 06:36:43 PM
Have you seen the special 1 off NHS Kookaburra bat Jos is using..... quality from him

https://www.instagram.com/p/CCStqbNjztE/?igshid=fiihqc35k3c9 (https://www.instagram.com/p/CCStqbNjztE/?igshid=fiihqc35k3c9)

Nice.  Would this goes against ICC rules about making statements or having advertisement on the face of the bat other than the manufactures?  I am assuming Kook and Butler cleared it with ICC before posting?
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: ppccopener on July 07, 2020, 03:01:06 PM
I find it interesting that we are considering playing Archer and Wood together when we have 3 back to back tests (can't remember that ever happening).

Surely they would be better splitting them up because you would only get 2 out of 3 when it comes to the likes of Wood.

Yes for sure, it’s a tough call for the selectors this one. Wood and Archer both fit to play as of just now. Anderson fit bit there’s got to be a doubt over him now for a five day test.
I think England are going to leave out Broad for the first time in ages.

I’m not sure he deserves to be dropped if they do...
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: KettonJake on July 07, 2020, 03:04:56 PM
Nice.  Would this goes against ICC rules about making statements or having advertisement on the face of the bat other than the manufactures?  I am assuming Kook and Butler cleared it with ICC before posting?

Easy enough to just say this is the new model, the 'Kookaburra NHS'
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: rickjames on July 07, 2020, 09:15:54 PM
Maybe it's just me and I am sentimental  but dropping Broad to play both Archer and Wood is genuinely ridiculous
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: edge on July 07, 2020, 09:28:46 PM
You say that, but I wouldn't like to be a West Indian batsman when the coin goes up tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: rickjames on July 07, 2020, 09:40:25 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcRQE-1XkAIxNrN?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Buzz on July 07, 2020, 09:46:25 PM
Not sure on the bowlers, but I would expect the team to be

Burns
Sibley
Denly
Crawley (largely confirmed at 4)
Stokes
Pope
Buttler
Bess
Archer
Broad
Anderson

The idea that they would play wood, Archer and Anderson as an attack is mad given the history of injuries.

Seems Wood will be picked ahead of Broad.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on July 07, 2020, 09:58:33 PM
Looks like the next couple of days are going to quite cool and cloudy so that may help Wood and Archer keep the pace up. Personally not sure how I feel about Broad being dropped as think he has bowled really well that last couple of series and as daft as it sounds maybe just maybe deserves to be picked ahead of Jimmy. However Jimmy in home conditions just has some serious stand out figures.
Really important we get the bowling right as our batting last couple of series has been pretty poor, not like we score 400+ on a regular basis
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: FattusCattus on July 07, 2020, 10:01:51 PM
Broad does not bowl at the stumps enough - he bowls safe channels and waits for something to happen.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: csnew on July 08, 2020, 07:48:17 AM
Typical isn’t it - return of cricket and it’s going to be a wash out for the first couple days
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: six and out on July 08, 2020, 08:40:02 AM
Typical isn’t it - return of cricket and it’s going to be a wash out for the first couple days

Not sure it will be a complete wash out, maybe on off all of the 1st 2 days.

There is an interesting thing with the toss now that you can't really shine the ball much, I mean how much sweat are you going to produce in this weather. Does that effect your decision at the toss? The 1st 2 days look the best for bowling but if the ball is going to do nothing then you want to bat 1st surely?
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: jonny77 on July 08, 2020, 10:20:30 AM
Incredible viewing this morning and there's been no cricket.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: mo_town on July 08, 2020, 10:22:46 AM
Surely spinners wont get picked if the conditions remain the way they are. England will have Denly bowl spin and Windies will have Roston Chase which means Cornwall will probably not get picked :(
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: ppccopener on July 08, 2020, 12:45:13 PM
Testing time for us batting this afternoon

Speculation was right, spinner in but Broad out which must of been a big call
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: mo_town on July 08, 2020, 01:00:00 PM
How could the Windies not pick the guy who scored an unbeaten ton in the practice match! Unbelievable! Looks like he wasnt in the final 13.
Title: Re: XI for first Test?
Post by: Buzz on July 08, 2020, 02:51:20 PM
Joshua Da Solva was brought for experience out of the u19 team. It would have been a big call to pick him ahead of the openers they have.