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Equipment => Pads => Topic started by: cjicricket on January 24, 2021, 08:48:20 PM
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Does anyone know anything about the new category II PPE for pads and gloves ? link below:
https://www.bsif.co.uk/cricket-ppe/ (https://www.bsif.co.uk/cricket-ppe/)
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Ah great, cricket gets even more expensive.
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Heard some news today, some big companies have submitted items (high end) for testing and have not passed. Further submissions are being sent. As yet no one until after submission seems to be aware of the full requirements. A very very costly exercise!
All started by some busy body in Trading Standards who started looking at it. One company on the South Coast has been told they cannot be sold however elsewhere in the country this is OK...for the moment!! With all the stock brands have invested in it will be a worrying time!
Once good thing from this is that some of the total rubbish being produced will be run out of town.
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I’ve spent most of last week dealing with this from people who have no understanding on what they are trying to enforce or the implications of it all.
When they classify a cricket bat as PPE in the safety standard it shows the issues at hand!
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Does anyone know anything about the new category II PPE for pads and gloves ? link below:
https://www.bsif.co.uk/cricket-ppe/ (https://www.bsif.co.uk/cricket-ppe/)
Is it actually a new category? That's not how I read it. Is it not just new labelling requirements post-Brexit?
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Yes been going on since last August. Every pad and glove range, r/h & l/h , have to go through individual testing. Thigh/arm/chest guards will also need testing. The costs involved are crazy, plus once passed you will then have to pay a licence to sell them. This will eventually be rolled out through the country.
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Is it actually a new category? That's not how I read it. Is it not just new labelling requirements post-Brexit?
No, it’s moving categories 1 items ( pads / gloves) into category 2 (helmets)
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Who do you pay the licence to?
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So is it Brexit related or not really?
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Who do you pay the licence to?
God knows, trading standards I presume who issue with the ce mark to sell
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So is it Brexit related or not really?
Whats it got to do with brexit?
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The costs involved are crazy, plus once passed you will then have to pay a licence to sell them.
This was what I was worrying about when I first read this... Might be time to stock up on gloves!
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It's a cost to suppliers, manufacturers but obviously could impact end users if those cost are inevitably passed on. Doesn't really seem like anyone truly knows what's happening tbh as yet.
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So is it Brexit related or not really?
Nothing to do with Brexit from the little I understand of it. IF and when it comes in to force it basically means that you will only be able to get softs from the big brands within the game that basically are in the retailers domain, and in turn will pretty much ruin the smaller brands like for instance myself who has just placed an order for a small quantity of softs to go along with my bats.
To give some idea i believe and i could be wrong but the costing works out to approximately £750 for every item so £1500 for a single set of softs and if you offer a RH & LH option that’s £3k for a single set of softs let alone multiple options or price points. This is also before whatever the Licence costs are.
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It's a cost to suppliers, manufacturers but obviously could impact end users if those cost are inevitably passed on. Doesn't really seem like anyone truly knows what's happening tbh as yet.
unfortunately Always going to get passed on to the consumer
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Nothing to do with Brexit from the little I understand of it. IF and when it comes in to force it basically means that you will only be able to get softs from the big brands within the game that basically are in the retailers domain, and in turn will pretty much ruin the smaller brands like for instance myself who has just placed an order for a small quantity of softs to go along with my bats.
To give some idea i believe and i could be wrong but the costing works out to approximately £750 for every item so £1500 for a single set of softs and if you offer a RH & LH option that’s £3k for a single set of softs let alone multiple options or price points. This is also before whatever the Licence costs are.
Around £385 per test, where some half wit decides to drop a weight onto the front of the pad and also on to the wing of the pad. The side of the pad is the issue with the test. If it fails you then have to have it remade and pay again for the test. Also the licence is either 3k for 5 years or 5k for 3 years, can’t remember from memory which way round it is .
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Grey market sellers wet dream this is.
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Whats it got to do with brexit?
"whether the protective equipment they supply is covered by the Personal Protective Equipment Regulation (EU) 2016/425 (PPE), even beyond EU Exit Transition."
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And: "Products also need to be appropriately labelled including the CE mark (or relevant UKCA/UKNI mark in line with the new requirements coming in from EU Exit on 1st January 2021) and be accompanied by the required documentation, such as a Declaration of Conformity and Instructions for Use in a language likely to be understood by a wearer..."
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I thought we were supposed to have less red tape now ;)
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It’s not down to brexit. It’s down to either a person reporting a company to trading standards saying the crickets softs need to have level 2 testing clearance, or a cricket company. Nobody knows, yet. Even the ecb had no idea this was happening. It’s currently only 1 counties trading standards doing this.
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My only information on this subject was the link I was given and have quoted from.
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It’s not down to brexit. It’s down to either a person reporting a company to trading standards saying the crickets softs need to have level 2 testing clearance, or a cricket company. Nobody knows, yet. Even the ecb had no idea this was happening. It’s currently only 1 counties trading standards doing this.
If its currently only 1 counties TS that's doing it surely its down to the ECB to get involved and nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand?
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question is.. how could even more expensive could already massively expensive kit get... At what point does cricket become bad value for money
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question is.. how could even more expensive could already massively expensive kit get... At what point does cricket become bad value for money
I imagine regardless of outcome you would still be able to get perfectly serviceable kit for a reasonable (if slightly higher) price. As has been mentioned, it's the small brands who would really suffer.
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I imagine regardless of outcome you would still be able to get perfectly serviceable kit for a reasonable (if slightly higher) price. As has been mentioned, it's the small brands who would really suffer.
at what point does it get too expensive for the casual though?? (which lets be realistic, are the majority of players)
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To be honest, I think everyone suffers if this becomes the norm. Regardless of brand size everyone will have to increase their prices.
As I understand it it’s around £700 per item, with another £150 per different size. Smaller brands have less ranges and generally stock fewer sizes. The bigger guys have more ranges and more sizes. Someone like gm for instance would offer maybe a handful of different ranges. Each other those ranges would contain 4-5 different sizes. So their initially outlay would be more. Yes they sell more so the increase in price would be less per model/size but they are likely to have bigger margins so would mark up more.
Smaller brands equal smaller outlay to start with but less sales to split it across so the mark ups would probably be similar.
It’s also likely to remove the new ranges every year from some brand as they won’t want to go ahead with testing every year. Designs will remain the same, be less variety. Factor in the risk of the product failing the tests, retest fees and the costs for retail to stock them it makes for scary reading. Couple in that there could well be an expectation that kit should be changed more regularly to ensure compliance and the consistency of the protection then it’s going to cost lots more. ultimately it’s the consumer that suffers.
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Nothing to do with Brexit from the little I understand of it. IF and when it comes in to force it basically means that you will only be able to get softs from the big brands within the game that basically are in the retailers domain, and in turn will pretty much ruin the smaller brands like for instance myself who has just placed an order for a small quantity of softs to go along with my bats.
To give some idea i believe and i could be wrong but the costing works out to approximately £750 for every item so £1500 for a single set of softs and if you offer a RH & LH option that’s £3k for a single set of softs let alone multiple options or price points. This is also before whatever the Licence costs are.
My understanding is that this has been the law since 2016 - just not actively enforced.
There have now been multiple examples of people being forced to stop selling and it isn’t limited to just one county.
If it were me @SOULMAN1012 id be cancelling that softs order ASAP.
Scary times indeed
The worst part is that people that have continued to sell softs this year are currently liable under the consumer protection act 1987 for any injury that someone might incur while using the non-certified kit.
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If its currently only 1 counties TS that's doing it surely its down to the ECB to get involved and nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand?
The ECB and 4 of the big brands are currently trying to fight it, but it’s pretty difficult to fight the law.
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The ECB and 4 of the big brands are currently trying to fight it, but it’s pretty difficult to fight the law.
Its not really the law which is being fought but the change of grading. Given all brands will have or will soon have their new softs delivered the huge cost of this (plus increasing transportation costs) for something no one seems to have known about up to now will cause even more damage to an already badly damaged industry
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Its not really the law which is being fought but the change of grading. Given all brands will have or will soon have their new softs delivered the huge cost of this (plus increasing transportation costs) for something no one seems to have known about up to now will cause even more damage to an already badly damaged industry
I totally agree with you mate - I just don’t hold out much hope that common sense will prevail.
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I totally agree with you mate - I just don’t hold out much hope that common sense will prevail.
Was speaking with a manufacturer yesterday, they in 20+ years have not had a report of any injury. My understanding is there is an issue around the structure of the side wing, really!!?? if you get hir there its only a glancing blow which is why there is no cane or other such structural materials.
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Was speaking with a manufacturer yesterday, they in 20+ years have not had a report of any injury. My understanding is there is an issue around the structure of the side wing, really!!?? if you get hir there its only a glancing blow which is why there is no cane or other such structural materials.
It’s an absolute disgrace mate - class 1 ppe protects from “superficial mechanical injury” which is exactly what cricket pads and gloves do.
Boxes and lids I can understand - the rest is horrendously bureaucratic and unnecessary.
Would there be the possibility of a class action to fight the classification of the regs?
The more brands that support the fight the better chance we have of getting this total mess sorted.
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Lots of miss information going around it seems.
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Lots of miss information going around it seems.
Could you enlighten us further Tom?
Everyone I think is getting 2/3rd hand information.
Given the panic around this I think that people (myself included) are left confused and seeking clarity, but with the little snippets of information around people are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 10 to try to help them understand their position.
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Not something I’d want to put on a public forum as I’m not sure who’s reading it and prob shouldn’t air my true views here on what I think they are trying to do to the cricket industry given the period we’ve had over the last 12 months!
I’ve had an email from TS and phone call with the officer….we disagreed on numerous things!
I’ve had various people in the industry contact me since late 2020 asking my opinions on the subject as people’s livelihoods are under threat as one minute it’s ok to go about ur business and an email later you cannot!
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My understanding is that this has been the law since 2016 - just not actively enforced.
There have now been multiple examples of people being forced to stop selling and it isn’t limited to just one county.
If it were me @SOULMAN1012 id be cancelling that softs order ASAP.
Scary times indeed
The worst part is that people that have continued to sell softs this year are currently liable under the consumer protection act 1987 for any injury that someone might incur while using the non-certified kit.
If it was a big order I would be certainly but at 10 pairs of pads and gloves I’ll just use them for the rest of my career if this ever becomes really serious and just make sure I don’t sue myself lol
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I know this is a fairly old topic now, but went into Hawk this week to get some whites. I was talking to one of the Hawk brothers about their new pads & gloves, which comply to the new BS standards. He said the whole process had beem so stressful it had made him ill. He also said it had cost them £15K to get it all tested and upto the required standard. Never had a issue with a pair of pads in all my years of playing. Gloves used to be an issue, but protection these days is very good. Don't get why this needs to be done, when most equipment is more than good enough.
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Has this contributed to the cost of gloves especially rocketing in the last 4 years?
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Has this contributed to the cost of gloves especially rocketing in the last 4 years?
Yes.
This and increasing import costs, plus the professionalisation/enhancements to factories of the Indian manufacturers.
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Are all manufacturers going to have to do this, like helmet safety? Or is it just recommended?
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Quality of PU used on softs has certainly not improved in over 30 years
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Are all manufacturers going to have to do this, like helmet safety? Or is it just recommended?
In theory yes, some brands have been forced to remove products from the market back in early 2020 unless they had certificates for the pads/gloves in their range.
It’s not a cheap or quick process to go through and I feel for Hawk and other brands that have had to deal with the impact of it on their businesses and personal health having already endured the rigmaroles of Covids impact on the industry.