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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2021, 04:04:32 PM »

Nothing to do with Brexit from the little I understand of it. IF and when it comes in to force it basically means that you will only be able to get softs from the big brands within the game that basically are in the retailers domain, and in turn will pretty much ruin the smaller brands like for instance myself who has just placed an order for a small quantity of softs to go along with my bats.

To give some idea i believe and i could be wrong but the costing works out to approximately £750 for every item so £1500 for a single set of softs and if you offer a RH & LH option that’s £3k for a single set of softs let alone multiple options or price points. This is also before whatever the Licence costs are.
Around £385 per test, where some half wit decides to drop a weight onto the front of the pad and also on to the wing of the pad. The side of the pad is the issue with the test. If it fails you then have to have it remade and pay again for the test. Also the licence is either 3k for 5 years or 5k for 3 years, can’t remember from memory which way round it is . 

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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2021, 04:06:07 PM »

Grey market sellers wet dream this is.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2021, 04:12:14 PM »

Whats it got to do with brexit?

"whether the protective equipment they supply is covered by the Personal Protective Equipment Regulation (EU) 2016/425 (PPE), even beyond EU Exit Transition."
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2021, 04:27:29 PM »

And:  "Products also need to be appropriately labelled including the CE mark (or relevant UKCA/UKNI mark in line with the new requirements coming in from EU Exit on 1st January 2021) and be accompanied by the required documentation, such as a Declaration of Conformity and Instructions for Use in a language likely to be understood by a wearer..."
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2021, 04:37:33 PM »

I thought we were supposed to have less red tape now  ;)
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2021, 04:38:35 PM »

It’s not down to brexit. It’s down to either a person reporting a company to trading standards saying the crickets softs need to have level 2 testing clearance, or a cricket company. Nobody knows, yet. Even the ecb had no idea this was happening. It’s currently only 1 counties trading standards doing this.

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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2021, 04:43:43 PM »

My only information on this subject was the link I was given and have quoted from.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2021, 06:13:19 PM »

It’s not down to brexit. It’s down to either a person reporting a company to trading standards saying the crickets softs need to have level 2 testing clearance, or a cricket company. Nobody knows, yet. Even the ecb had no idea this was happening. It’s currently only 1 counties trading standards doing this.

If its currently only 1 counties TS that's doing it surely its down to the ECB to get involved and nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand?
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2021, 06:24:56 PM »

question is.. how could even more expensive could already massively expensive kit get... At what point does cricket become bad value for money
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #24 on: February 25, 2021, 06:43:51 PM »

question is.. how could even more expensive could already massively expensive kit get... At what point does cricket become bad value for money

I imagine regardless of outcome you would still be able to get perfectly serviceable kit for a reasonable (if slightly higher) price. As has been mentioned, it's the small brands who would really suffer.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2021, 07:10:06 PM »

I imagine regardless of outcome you would still be able to get perfectly serviceable kit for a reasonable (if slightly higher) price. As has been mentioned, it's the small brands who would really suffer.

at what point does it get too expensive for the casual though?? (which lets be realistic, are the majority of players)
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2021, 07:13:45 PM »

To be honest, I think everyone suffers if this becomes the norm. Regardless of brand size everyone will have to increase their prices.

As I understand it it’s around £700 per item, with another £150 per different size. Smaller brands have less ranges and generally stock fewer sizes. The bigger guys have more ranges and more sizes. Someone like gm for instance would offer maybe a handful of different ranges. Each other those ranges would contain 4-5 different sizes. So their initially outlay would be more. Yes they sell more so the increase in price would be less per model/size but they are likely to have bigger margins so would mark up more.

Smaller brands equal smaller outlay to start with but less sales to split it across so the mark ups would probably be similar.

It’s also likely to remove the new ranges every year from some brand as they won’t want to go ahead with testing every year. Designs will remain the same, be less variety. Factor in the risk of the product failing the tests, retest fees and the costs for retail to stock them it makes for scary reading. Couple in that there could well be an expectation that kit should be changed more regularly to ensure compliance and the consistency of the protection then it’s going to cost lots more.  ultimately it’s the consumer that suffers.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2021, 07:28:17 PM »

Nothing to do with Brexit from the little I understand of it. IF and when it comes in to force it basically means that you will only be able to get softs from the big brands within the game that basically are in the retailers domain, and in turn will pretty much ruin the smaller brands like for instance myself who has just placed an order for a small quantity of softs to go along with my bats.

To give some idea i believe and i could be wrong but the costing works out to approximately £750 for every item so £1500 for a single set of softs and if you offer a RH & LH option that’s £3k for a single set of softs let alone multiple options or price points. This is also before whatever the Licence costs are.

My understanding is that this has been the law since 2016 - just not actively enforced.

There have now been multiple examples of people being forced to stop selling and it isn’t limited to just one county.

If it were me @SOULMAN1012 id be cancelling that softs order ASAP.

Scary times indeed

The worst part is that people that have continued to sell softs this year are currently liable under the consumer protection act 1987 for any injury that someone might incur while using the non-certified kit.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2021, 07:30:14 PM »

If its currently only 1 counties TS that's doing it surely its down to the ECB to get involved and nip it in the bud before it gets out of hand?

The ECB and 4 of the big brands are currently trying to fight it, but it’s pretty difficult to fight the law.
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Re: New Category II PPE For pads and gloves
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2021, 07:47:31 PM »

The ECB and 4 of the big brands are currently trying to fight it, but it’s pretty difficult to fight the law.
Its not really the law which is being fought but the change of grading. Given all brands will have or will soon have their new softs delivered the huge cost of this (plus increasing transportation costs) for something no one seems to have known about up to now will cause even more damage to an already badly damaged industry 
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