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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: AJ2014 on March 26, 2021, 08:42:37 PM
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I think I'm a batsman, they treat me as a bowler.
I've batted at almost all numbers, these days I lower than I would like to, but I do get to bowl off spin.
I would say many of us could be in this same position, are you happy at the number you bat currently?
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I hope this does not come across as harsh but...
Put in some hard graft and earn a position as a batsman presuming you are good enough in your own team.
First at practice, last out, more work on fitness, more talking to team mates how they approach batting, more awareness of the game situation.
The absolute worst thing you can do is say, which I’ve heard many times when Captain is
You bat me 8,9 I’m going to play as a tailender. That is not going to work.
If you are determined enough you will work you way up the batting order.
I opened for my second team at 17, in the ones at 18 and batted 7 for 3 years-mostly actually not getting a bat at all, because 6 others in front of me were better. I got up the order by hard work at practice.
Take control of the situation and put in some hard work.
Good luck
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From your skipper's point of view, have you actually asked to bat higher? Unless you're playing at a really high standard I think most captains are open to shuffling the order a little as an experiment, especially against weaker sides.
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From your skipper's point of view, have you actually asked to bat higher? Unless you're playing at a really high standard I think most captains are open to shuffling the order a little as an experiment, especially against weaker sides.
Once opened the batting once and done so but next game lower down.
Actually I'm asking you guys if your experience, do bat the number you want or you think you should be batting higher?
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Well I captain my club's third team so I bat wherever I like technically 😂 but due to knowing my limitations I'd like to improve my batting enough to justify batting higher.
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Once opened the batting once and done so but next game lower down.
Actually I'm asking you guys if your experience, do bat the number you want or you think you should be batting higher?
In most teams I’ve played in, nobody wants to bat 1-2, or 7-11. Everyone wants to bat at 4-5.
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I think I'm a batsman, they treat me as a bowler.
I've batted at almost all numbers, these days I lower than I would like to, but I do get to bowl off spin.
I would say many of us could be in this same position, are you happy at the number you bat currently?
Sometimes there not be any vacancies as the incumbents are going well. Therefore no opportunity’s to nail down the position you want. You may wish to look in other teams or clubs for a chance if this is important to you. Maybe even a season in a lower grade but higher in the order to prove your point and earn your spot with lots of runs as your currency.
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I think I'm a batsman, they treat me as a bowler.
I've batted at almost all numbers, these days I lower than I would like to, but I do get to bowl off spin.
I would say many of us could be in this same position, are you happy at the number you bat currently?
In my experience there are different types in the team -
1. Those who are batting where they want - this is only the best players in the team or the guys who genuinely realise they are rubbish and are ok to bat 11.
2. Those who aren't happy and want to bat higher - the majority of the team
3. Those who are batting out of position for the team - this is the player that has to open because the team doesn't have 2 proper openers but really should be batting 6.
4. The captain - who bats in a different spot every week to accommodate every else.
Myself, I am 1st team captain at our club and i will either fall into number 4 or just maybe number 1 but I think availability will determine that.
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Opened nearly all my playing career and it the position that Iv built my game on now, sometimes the situation dictates a different approach and if dropped down the order so be it. I like opening as I like to bat a long time but what ever is best for the team and as im getting older with more commitments on my time need to start blooding someone else at some point.
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In most teams I’ve played in, nobody wants to bat 1-2, or 7-11. Everyone wants to bat at 4-5.
This... Assuming players are playing 'at their level'... generally if someone wants to go 1-2 and avg's 30+ they are most likely below their level and just want to cruise (nothing wrong with that, in fact.. as it's amateur cricket it's the thing to do. No fun getting 20 or less most weeks as it's a long day and expensive way to spend a day watching others bat)
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In most teams I’ve played in, nobody wants to bat 1-2, or 7-11. Everyone wants to bat at 4-5.
Don't see any logic in this,unless you would like shine some more light on this, thanks
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This... Assuming players are playing 'at their level'... generally if someone wants to go 1-2 and avg's 30+ they are most likely below their level and just want to cruise (nothing wrong with that, in fact.. as it's amateur cricket it's the thing to do. No fun getting 20 or less most weeks as it's a long day and expensive way to spend a day watching others bat)
Think this is more true for lower XIs cricket, at least from my experience
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Opened nearly all my playing career and it the position that Iv built my game on now, sometimes the situation dictates a different approach and if dropped down the order so be it. I like opening as I like to bat a long time but what ever is best for the team and as im getting older with more commitments on my time need to start blooding someone else at some point.
Soulman, please don't take if it's pointed towards you, it is just my observation,
Why would batsmen be treated as openers opening batsman for life? 🙂
For me it would be only if they've been scoring regularly at good run rate, otherwise others should get chance to open the batting, hopefully you understand where I'm coming from 🙂
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Lot of players think they can bat but can they score runs, regularly, against different types of bowling?
That's the question you have to answer.
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Soulman, please don't take if it's pointed towards you, it is just my observation,
Why would batsmen be treated as openers opening batsman for life? 🙂
For me it would be only if they've been scoring regularly at good run rate, otherwise others should get chance to open the batting, hopefully you understand where I'm coming from 🙂
Doesn’t matter what rate you get them at, it's that you actually get them!
Take it from a captain I would everyday of the week and twice on Sundays pick a guy who I know will regularly open and score 50 at a low rate than a guy that will open and get 30 in 4/5 overs and get out.
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Questions for you
Where do you want to bat?
What do you do that makes you a good fit for that spot?
Questions to ask your captain
Dear captain I want to bat in spot X - What do I need to do to get a opportunity to bat there?
Who am I competing with to get that spot?
The captain may want what you offer or he/she may not. Either way you’ll know where you stand and what you need to do to get in. Hopefully the captain has a plan
Good luck - hope you get what you want from your cricket
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Nobody wants to open because it’s the hardest place to bat.
If you’re a good batsman you probably want to bat 4 because in most cases you won’t have to face the best bowling or the new ball.
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Nobody wants to open because it’s the hardest place to bat.
If you’re a good batsman you probably want to bat 4 because in most cases you won’t have to face the best bowling or the new ball.
also this... Perfect game really is coming in to bat about the 15th over... .. new ball gone.. opening bowlers gone... Time to cash in
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I actually prefer opening the batting. Though, that’s mainly because I am useless against spin.
I’ll often make my way to about 20 or so off the opening bowlers, before a slow accurate ‘spinner’ who gets no turn comes on and I get bogged down. I detest those opening bowlers who bowl about 30mph and get late swing, I always fall prey to them.
A lot of our middle order are adamant they’d love to open the batting because they’ve never actually seen a ball swing before. Those who have tried in our team rarely make runs at the top of the order
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Opening the batting is great. It means I can umpire for 98% of our innings.
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Opening the batting is great. It means I can umpire for 98% of our innings.
Hahaha, Mark😀😀
This is why your blades look sooooo clean!
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Opening the batting is easier from 3rd XI downwards, isn't not true?
There are many many balls to hit them went be so defensive?
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Opening the batting is easier from 3rd XI downwards, isn't not true?
There are many many balls to hit them went be so defensive?
Why would lower sides not be opening the bowling with their best bowlers? I don't think there's any reason to believe the opening bowlers are not some of the toughest to face at any level.
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Why would lower sides not be opening the bowling with their best bowlers? I don't think there's any reason to believe the opening bowlers are not some of the toughest to face at any level.
They'll be but that doesn't mean they'll be unplayable 😀 they could be pacy but will be wayward in their line and length.
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Why would lower sides not be opening the bowling with their best bowlers? I don't think there's any reason to believe the opening bowlers are not some of the toughest to face at any level.
My team has been promoted up and relegated down in the divisions and I can tell you from experience that opening bowlers are pretty good. They also have a new ball in their hands.
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They'll be but that doesn't mean they'll be unplayable 😀 they could be pacy but will be wayward in their line and length.
Not necessarily. If a league mandates that a new team/club starts at the lowest division of the league, you could end up facing future div-1 champs and they can be ruthless at any div level. By the same token, you could end up facing a relegated team from a higher division, and they may also have some serious bowlers. It is a lottery.
Seems like you are looking for short cuts and some lucky exception to facilitate your rise up in the batting ranks. You want to move up: become a consistent run scorer against all types of bowling. Simple, but not easy. :)
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They'll be but that doesn't mean they'll be unplayable 😀 they could be pacy but will be wayward in their line and length.
I don't think higher level opening bowlers are necessarily unplayable either unless you're playing at the elite standards of club cricket.
Particularly at big clubs you often find talented junior players or skilful older players who have dropped down the teams as they lose the physical strength to bowl fast will play in the lower sides and they can be very difficult to face.
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I don't think higher level opening bowlers are necessarily unplayable either unless you're playing at the elite standards of club cricket.
Particularly at big clubs you often find talented junior players or skilful older players who have dropped down the teams as they lose the physical strength to bowl fast will play in the lower sides and they can be very difficult to face.
Agree
This is why I feel that openers should be a bit more aggressive, if they see anything loose, they should try to unsettle pacers, what I don't see often enough..
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Agree
This is why I feel that openers should be a bit more aggressive, if they see anything loose, they should try to unsettle pacers, what I don't see often enough..
There is an easy fix to all of this.
Post some videos of you netting, tell us what standard you play and I’m sure we can work out whether you’re worth a do up the order 😂
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Not necessarily. If a league mandates that a new team/club starts at the lowest division of the league, you could end up facing future div-1 champs and they can be ruthless at any div level. By the same token, you could end up facing a relegated team from a higher division, and they may also have some serious bowlers. It is a lottery.
Seems like you are looking for short cuts and some lucky exception to facilitate your rise up in the batting ranks. You want to move up: become a consistent run scorer against all types of bowling. Simple, but not easy. :)
To be honest I don't see myself batting any higher than no. 8 unless we've only got 7 on the field 😀😀😀
But I don't like to be pinned at 10 or 11 🙂
I do get to bowl which allows me to add my share.
Depending on the match situation I have opened the bowling, with my off spin.
It's trickier than bowling pace with new ball, less margin of error 🙂
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There is an easy fix to all of this.
Post some videos of you netting, tell us what standard you play and I’m sure we can work out whether you’re worth a do up the order
In the training I try my best not to get out, unless I'm trying out slogging
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To be honest I don't see myself batting any higher than no. 8 unless we've only got 7 on the field 😀😀😀
But I don't like to be pinned at 10 or 11 🙂
What are the expectations for a #8? or even a #9? Hypothetically, here is what they need to do: rotate strike and give a batsman (higher in the order) more balls to face. Run hard singles. Convert 2s to 3s. Can you do it? Clear the rope once in a while, maybe? Remember that at that stage, ball is old and not swinging.
It is easier to train for a specific role but you need to know what exactly to train for. Break it down and then train.
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What are the expectations for a #8? or even a #9? Hypothetically, here is what they need to do: rotate strike and give a batsman (higher in the order) more balls to face. Run hard singles. Convert 2s to 3s. Can you do it? Clear the rope once in a while, maybe? Remember that at that stage, ball is old and not swinging.
It is easier to train for a specific role but you need to know what exactly to train for. Break it down and then train.
Yes you've nailed it for me, except for clearing the rope part, 👍👍😀
In many of our 45 overs league games
batting at 8 you've regularly 5-10 overs to bat vs 10/11 1-2 overs, rarely more than 4 overs.
My explanation was the same as yours, adding, with at 8, will enable me to bat out full quota of overs with youngsters, under 16s, which worked out in my last match.
That 14 years old very impressive leg spinner was rusty, talked to him not for going big slog but playing deliveries on their merit, accumulated 7 runs in as many balls 🙂
Later on he bowled really very well, other leggie got 4 wickets!
I came late to bowl, think last 8 to 10 overs.
6th ball of my last over, batter hit me 4 off the back foot, backword square leg.
When I came to bowl the last over the match, 13 were needed, I was confident but still have to bowl well,
I tried to bowl as full as possible, yorker, 1st ball and he tried full blooded hiev to the square led, he's bowled, as he was perfectly yorked.
Later I talked to that youngster, he agreed that those runs in the last over might have won us the game. If it was 6 to win, batter would have played differently.
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Don't get it, surely the notion that opening in club cricket is a specialist job is well on the way out by now? It's not a test match with Anderson swinging it both ways after all, it's a limited overs game against club bowlers. Helps if your home track is decent to bat on of course, but I wouldn't want to bat anywhere else.
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Don't get it, surely the notion that opening in club cricket is a specialist job is well on the way out by now? It's not a test match with Anderson swinging it both ways after all, it's a limited overs game against club bowlers. Helps if your home track is decent to bat on of course, but I wouldn't want to bat anywhere else.
Exactly, this is why I am of opinion that if someone is more wanting to open the batting should be given few chances, and not having 2 different openers every weekend.
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Exactly, this is why I am of opinion that if someone is more wanting to open the batting should be given few chances, and not having 2 different openers every weekend.
If one of our team asked me for 5 weeks to have a go at opening and was putting in the yards in training I'd have no hesitation letting them, don't imagine too many captains would unless you have established openers with a good record up top.
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If one of our team asked me for 5 weeks to have a go at opening and was putting in the yards in training I'd have no hesitation letting them, don't imagine too many captains would unless you have established openers with a good record up top.
Agree,
it's in lower league where availability is an issue
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In my experience there are different types in the team -
1. Those who are batting where they want - this is only the best players in the team or the guys who genuinely realise they are rubbish and are ok to bat 11.
2. Those who aren't happy and want to bat higher - the majority of the team
3. Those who are batting out of position for the team - this is the player that has to open because the team doesn't have 2 proper openers but really should be batting 6.
4. The captain - who bats in a different spot every week to accommodate every else.
Myself, I am 1st team captain at our club and i will either fall into number 4 or just maybe number 1 but I think availability will determine that.
Well said
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There is an easy fix to all of this.
Post some videos of you netting, tell us what standard you play and I’m sure we can work out whether you’re worth a do up the order 😂
Don't have any,
I can post bowling video if you want to 😀
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Agree,
it's in lower league where availability is an issue
Availability will always be an issue in club cricket, especially at low level, but speaking from the basis of a few years skippering my club's bottom side, having a word with the captain and stating your case never hurts as long as it's done in a respectful way. Demanding to bat in any specific position in the order is a no-go.
As others have said, have a discussion and ask what you need to do to get a shot in your ideal position then work bloody hard at it.
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@AJ2014 do you ever get any coaching? What does your coach tell you? What do you tell your coach about your development and where you would like to bat? What do the senior players within the teams you play in say to you?
Ultimately it comes down to this:
1. What do you want out of your cricket/batting?
2. What are you prepared to do to get what you want?
3. Communicating with your captain and club about your development and the opportunities you would like to be given in the future.
4. Scoring runs and taking any chances that you club and team are able to offer you.
Commitment, effort, talent and opportunities. It's all kind of standard themes in sport and team play isn't it?
Good luck and hope you get given the opportunities you would like.
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@AJ2014 do you ever get any coaching? What does your coach tell you? What do you tell your coach about your development and where you would like to bat? What do the senior players within the teams you play in say to you?
Ultimately it comes down to this:
1. What do you want out of your cricket/batting?
2. What are you prepared to do to get what you want?
3. Communicating with your captain and club about your development and the opportunities you would like to be given in the future.
4. Scoring runs and taking any chances that you club and team are able to offer you.
Commitment, effort, talent and opportunities. It's all kind of standard themes in sport and team play isn't it?
Good luck and hope you get given the opportunities you would like.
Coaching? 😀
Never had it in my life time, except when, luckily coach watched me from behind while I was hesitant to a leggie, in the nets,
the coach said, " take 2 steps out and hit it"
that's what I did and it pretty much worked 😊😊
Some parents think that I'm one of the coach😀😀😃
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Then @AJ2014 your first thing is to find a coach or approach a senior player that you trust to talk to about batting.
Hopefully there will be a few players who will fit the bill.
Otherwise put up a video on here and people will be only to happy to offer advice and guidance.
We are all here to help each other after all.
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Then @AJ2014 your first thing is to find a coach or approach a senior player that you trust to talk to about batting.
Hopefully there will be a few players who will fit the bill.
Otherwise put up a video on here and people will be only to happy to offer advice and guidance.
We are all here to help each other after all.
JT, do you know how old I'm?, 😀
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JT, do you know how old I'm?, 😀
This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Who cares how old ? Never too old to learn or improve. You could be 70 years old, spend a year working on your game, and enjoy 10 years of improved results.
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I think I know what you're saying 🙂
I always enjoyed batting, that's what I'm trying to do now as well.
They pick me for my bowling, not for the batting. When they are in trouble, me going in at 11, they do say and expect me to "hang on", I say " I'll try" 🙂
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JT, do you know how old I'm?, 😀
Nope. I'm in my mid (cough) 40's and I get coaching every other week from someone who used to be a junior at the club I play at.
There are always opportunities to improve.
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Reference to Rez, 🙂
Purpose of this thread actually is to know how you guys feel, if you would like to bat higher?
This thread is: "I think I can bat, but they treat me like a bowler."
I didn't say I want to bat in higher team or I have to bat higher in the team I play in.
It's all About availability in our team, one will be opening one day the other day he'll be at 9 or lower. What I think is, there should be consistency, no more than that 🙂.
I've always been better bowler than batter.
We have few very good bowlers, mostly available through the season.
We mainly lose games because of our batting.
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Nope. I'm in my mid (cough) 40's and I get coaching every other week from someone who used to be a junior at the club I play at.
There are always opportunities to improve.
55,
Shortage of opportunities to net, I do like to face good bowlers.
Just for reference, JT,
1st XI bowler, captain, was bowling in the net, faced first, believe or not, drove him on the up for off drive, he was surprised "good shot", he said,
Next ball he tried to bounce which wasn't well directed, I was able to leave, the next ball, I was more than lucky, not to get hit on the helmet!
"I was expecting it but not at this furious pace" I said to him.
It's just fun and challenging at the same time 😀
Now he's playing for Wimbledon CC, Surrey Premier league!
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Bit of a difference facing a few balls in nets and scoring runs in a game though.
I agree with you that consistency helps but you also have to remember that at a lower level of cricket the captain also has to try and keep players happy and feeling they got value for their time and their match fee. If you bowl a bit, this likely means you'll bat lower, especially if there are kids in the team that the club is trying to develop.
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Bit of a difference facing a few balls in nets and scoring runs in a game though.
I agree with you that consistency helps but you also have to remember that at a lower level of cricket the captain also has to try and keep players happy and feeling they got value for their time and their match fee. If you bowl a bit, this likely means you'll bat lower, especially if there are kids in the team that the club is trying to develop.
Exactly Jim,
That's of best feelings, playing with youngsters and then seeing them go on to play for the 2nd and upwards.
It's about fun part,
not that I'm wanting of batting in any higher team, at all! 😀
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Well if it's not about moving up the batting order, but just being taken seriously when you go out to bat.
Don't be the last man out and score some runs... seems quite a simple answer.
If you constantly lose your off stump or chip the ball to cover for not many don't expect your team mates to think you can bat.
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Well if it's not about moving up the batting order, but just being taken seriously when you go out to bat.
Don't be the last man out and score some runs... seems quite a simple answer.
If you constantly lose your off stump or chip the ball to cover for not many don't expect your team mates to think you can bat.
Fair Enough,
I feel that no. 11 don't get many if any, balls to hit, therfore drop and run or doubles,
They'll never complain I did not try to take quick runs 😀
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It gets trickier when trying to bat out last few overs, for a draw! 🙂
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Story of my life :)) .... If ever, a biography was to be written on my cricketing life, its title would be ' I think I can bat higher...'. Often typecast as 'mainly a bowler' and somehow who likes to play his shots, I was lucky enough one season to get my chance. My bowling was just not working out and the captain decided to send me in at no.3 against one of the better teams in my league. I scored a 46 (got caught at long off trying to hit a 6 :D). Played the rest of the season at no.3. The rest of the team mates were shocked/surprised initially but later got used to it as I was doing decently well. The most notable of innings was the last of the season when we were playing on a very tricky pitch and needed to win to top the league. I played an 80-odd balls innings of 37 anchoring the innings and getting us the win. I was the happiest person thinking that atlast I might have made it as a top order batsman in a team after so many years. Alas, I had to move cities at the end of the season and fell into the same rut again of being typecast as primarily a bowler :((. I think once you have been typecast, the only way to change things is to change club/team and start afresh.
For me personally, what spot I am batting in makes a big difference mentally. You might have 20 odd overs to face but if I am in at no.9, I will think and play as a typical no.9!
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Reference to Rez, 🙂
Purpose of this thread actually is to know how you guys feel, if you would like to bat higher?
This thread is: "I think I can bat, but they treat me like a bowler."
I didn't say I want to bat in higher team or I have to bat higher in the team I play in.
It's all About availability in our team, one will be opening one day the other day he'll be at 9 or lower. What I think is, there should be consistency, no more than that 🙂.
I've always been better bowler than batter.
We have few very good bowlers, mostly available through the season.
We mainly lose games because of our batting.
Hello, are you getting your Rez's and Kez's mixed? :)
Can't remember posting on this thread but while I'm here.....
Decent players will know who can bat and who can't. They might disagree on what the order should be LOL but they will generally agree on who is skilled with a bat in their hands. If you can bat and you are not getting the chances you think you should be then it may just be that it's not the right club for you.
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Story of my life :)) .... If ever, a biography was to be written on my cricketing life, its title would be ' I think I can bat higher...'. Often typecast as 'mainly a bowler' and somehow who likes to play his shots, I was lucky enough one season to get my chance. My bowling was just not working out and the captain decided to send me in at no.3 against one of the better teams in my league. I scored a 46 (got caught at long off trying to hit a 6 :D). Played the rest of the season at no.3. The rest of the team mates were shocked/surprised initially but later got used to it as I was doing decently well. The most notable of innings was the last of the season when we were playing on a very tricky pitch and needed to win to top the league. I played an 80-odd balls innings of 37 anchoring the innings and getting us the win. I was the happiest person thinking that atlast I might have made it as a top order batsman in a team after so many years. Alas, I had to move cities at the end of the season and fell into the same rut again of being typecast as primarily a bowler :((. I think once you have been typecast, the only way to change things is to change club/team and start afresh.
For me personally, what spot I am batting in makes a big difference mentally. You might have 20 odd overs to face but if I am in at no.9, I will think and play as a typical no.9!
This is what this thread is meant to be! 😀
Thanks very much for sharing with us.
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Hello, are you getting your Rez's and Kez's mixed? :)
Can't remember posting on this thread but while I'm here.....
Decent players will know who can bat and who can't. They might disagree on what the order should be LOL but they will generally agree on who is skilled with a bat in their hands. If you can bat and you are not getting the chances you think you should be then it may just be that it's not the right club for you.
Yep, got mixed up, sorry for that 👍
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I hope this does not come across as harsh but...
Put in some hard graft and earn a position as a batsman presuming you are good enough in your own team.
First at practice, last out, more work on fitness, more talking to team mates how they approach batting, more awareness of the game situation.
The absolute worst thing you can do is say, which I’ve heard many times when Captain is
You bat me 8,9 I’m going to play as a tailender. That is not going to work.
If you are determined enough you will work you way up the batting order.
I opened for my second team at 17, in the ones at 18 and batted 7 for 3 years-mostly actually not getting a bat at all, because 6 others in front of me were better. I got up the order by hard work at practice.
Take control of the situation and put in some hard work.
Good luck
Thanks man
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It gets trickier when trying to bat out last few overs, for a draw! 🙂
This.. don't just give it away if you bat 8+ for the sake of it just because the format is all tonk tonk. If you can chase it then great, go for it.. if you can't though, just bat for points. Waste of a Saturday/Sunday just gifting your wicket away, especially when 99% of wickets taken on a Saturday aren't really due to bowlers but simply the format.
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To all the top order batsmen posting on this thread....you will never understand what it feels like :P ... Maybe its the way batsmen are glorified more than bowlers on the international stage; but I feel everyone secretly aspires to be a batsman even if they may be a top bowler. Bowlers are invariably treated as second class citizens. I think subconsciously that bias definitely exists at all levels.
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In UK club cricket I think that probably has a lot to do with the fact it's much easier to be a reasonably economical, wicket taking bowler than it is to score runs on a semi consistent basis.
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I reckon it's got a lot to do with the fact that even if you're a born number 12 bat then you do at least occasionally have to stick your pads on, but specialist batsmen not bowling is pretty normal so there's no aspiration there.
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In UK club cricket I think that probably has a lot to do with the fact it's much easier to be a reasonably economical, wicket taking bowler than it is to score runs on a semi consistent basis.
I disagree (as someone who only opens). I find it far easier to bat than bowl as the roads that are produced now make batting very easy. 99% of the time, the only way a batter gets out is because we are crap and make errors or the format dictates you have to try and slog a good ball and so.. you get out.. neither is because of good bowling (other than landing it in the right place as much as possible, although, how many times does the crap ball actually get the wicket!!!)
Both skill sets are dumbed down now to a point where batting takes less and less skill and bowling is just about not bowling pies and putting men out for the inevitable slog
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I reckon it's got a lot to do with the fact that even if you're a born number 12 bat then you do at least occasionally have to stick your pads on, but specialist batsmen not bowling is pretty normal so there's no aspiration there.
sadly, the modern format doesn't reward 8+ batsmen at all. Draw cricket rewards them by giving them something to fight for.. either the win OR the draw.. in win lose.. if you realistically can't win (most games) then you're down to.. umm... yeah, not much point batting
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I disagree (as someone who only opens). I find it far easier to bat than bowl as the roads that are produced now make batting very easy. 99% of the time, the only way a batter gets out is because we are crap and make errors or the format dictates you have to try and slog a good ball and so.. you get out.. neither is because of good bowling (other than landing it in the right place as much as possible, although, how many times does the crap ball actually get the wicket!!!)
Both skill sets are dumbed down now to a point where batting takes less and less skill and bowling is just about not bowling pies and putting men out for the inevitable slog
Do you by any chance play quite a decent standard? I maybe play on one or two tracks a year that lend themselves to run scoring better than medium pace bowling, but at the lower end there's not the same investment in pitches.
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Do you by any chance play quite a decent standard? I maybe play on one or two tracks a year that lend themselves to run scoring better than medium pace bowling, but at the lower end there's not the same investment in pitches.
Yes, I agree with this. Definitely the pitches in the middle/lower divisions are quite tricky to bat on. Add to that, general lack of consistency from the bowlers makes it quite tough since you could potentially get a mixed bag each over. You will have a bowler half a half tracker and the very next ball would land on a perfect length, which is why the batsmen that generally score bucket loads of runs are the ones that block well and can be patient for long times. Having been lucky enough to play at different levels in the UK; I am of the opinion that for someone with a decent technique, batting is easier in higher leagues as compared to lower leagues.
This is also one of the reasons why bowlers in mid/lower div teams feel that they should be batting higher up...as they see the top order batsmen block/dead bat a lot of deliveries and feel that they could do a much better job scoring.
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Yes, I agree with this. Definitely the pitches in the middle/lower divisions are quite tricky to bat on. Add to that, general lack of consistency from the bowlers makes it quite tough since you could potentially get a mixed bag each over. You will have a bowler half a half tracker and the very next ball would land on a perfect length, which is why the batsmen that generally score bucket loads of runs are the ones that block well and can be patient for long times. Having been lucky enough to play at different levels in the UK; I am of the opinion that for someone with a decent technique, batting is easier in higher leagues as compared to lower leagues.
This is also one of the reasons why bowlers in mid/lower div teams feel that they should be batting higher up...as they see the top order batsmen block/dead bat a lot of deliveries and feel that they could do a much better job scoring.
I've seen many worse techniques in WEPL or Northants prom/div 1 than lower county leagues.. what these other players have is usually a must better eye and a careless attitude with their wicket so go out and just go for it . Teams higher up are backing themselves on roads to rack up 300 plus most games and accept the games when they get skittled.. or moan when it's not a road of course, that's also a favourite of those teams.
I can understand it btw, win lose promotes this style of play above all else as there is no reason to play any other way
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We're lucky enough to have 2 home ground with covers.
Most of the time they are not lotteries to bat on 😀
Have to bat and bowl well to win games.
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We're lucky enough to have 2 home ground with covers.
Most of the time they are not lotteries to bat on 😀
Have to bat and bowl well to win games.
Arent you based in UAE? My memory of tracks there was of flat roads/dust bowls. No wonder, you feel like you can bat higher :D
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Arent you based in UAE? My memory of tracks there was of flat roads/dust bowls. No wonder, you feel like you can bat higher :D
😀😀😀
I wish..
No I am in London, playing Surrey league
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This.. don't just give it away if you bat 8+ for the sake of it just because the format is all tonk tonk. If you can chase it then great, go for it.. if you can't though, just bat for points. Waste of a Saturday/Sunday just gifting your wicket away, especially when 99% of wickets taken on a Saturday aren't really due to bowlers but simply the format.
Once I said let's chase it, like 8 an over, after few overs realised, tick tick is the only way and drew the game
I hate giving away my wicket!
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To all the top order batsmen posting on this thread....you will never understand what it feels like :P ... Maybe its the way batsmen are glorified more than bowlers on the international stage; but I feel everyone secretly aspires to be a batsman even if they may be a top bowler. Bowlers are invariably treated as second class citizens. I think subconsciously that bias definitely exists at all levels.
Trust me, bowling at stages in a the game when all those top order batter stressed out, due to go many runs being posted or wickets not been taken, wishing to win the games in tight situations, which isn't in their control any more!
Isn't it a great kick to be a bowler and winning the game for your team?
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Yes, I agree with this. Definitely the pitches in the middle/lower divisions are quite tricky to bat on. Add to that, general lack of consistency from the bowlers makes it quite tough since you could potentially get a mixed bag each over. You will have a bowler half a half tracker and the very next ball would land on a perfect length, which is why the batsmen that generally score bucket loads of runs are the ones that block well and can be patient for long times. Having been lucky enough to play at different levels in the UK; I am of the opinion that for someone with a decent technique, batting is easier in higher leagues as compared to lower leagues.
This is also one of the reasons why bowlers in mid/lower div teams feel that they should be batting higher up...as they see the top order batsmen block/dead bat a lot of deliveries and feel that they could do a much better job scoring.
Totally agree with you on this, 👍
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In UK club cricket I think that probably has a lot to do with the fact it's much easier to be a reasonably economical, wicket taking bowler than it is to score runs on a semi consistent basis.
Surrey league is toughest of all, nothing is easy hit 😀 or go and hit around, it's likely, did dig dig 🙂
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Surrey league is toughest of all, nothing is easy hit 😀 or go and hit around, it's likely, did dig dig 🙂
And what makes you think that the Surrey league is toughest ? Sure there’s a lot of premier leagues around the country which match or possibly better the Surrey league standard
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It's almost impossible to say which league is the strongest - I'd love for one day to see some form of tournament between all the ECB Premier League winners - even just a knockout akin to the NVC would be great viewing. I know a lot of the lads at Potterne CC who won the 2019 WEPL Prem, some serious talent.
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It's almost impossible to say which league is the strongest - I'd love for one day to see some form of tournament between all the ECB Premier League winners - even just a knockout akin to the NVC would be great viewing. I know a lot of the lads at Potterne CC who won the 2019 WEPL Prem, some serious talent.
Don’t think we’ll ever get to see that with the amount of league games you play, if it was to happen it would need to take place in the back end of September beginning of October. South North CC more or less with the NEPL every year and always make it to at least the quarters of the national knockout. It would definitely be a great watch from a fan perspective
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Yeah am I being silly in saying the national knockout and national t20 do a half decent job of above idea? Fighting on a couple of fronts in the league and cup competitions would only show more strength of team and therefore league IMO.
I could be way off the mark though.
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Only way to find out is : to play in each leagues for a year, which off course is impossible! 🙂 Just joking
Don't think it's a good idea to prolong cricket season till the end October or so.
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I would say league matches determine the quality of the teams.
Where many of them have played against each others for years.
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Yeah am I being silly in saying the national knockout and national t20 do a half decent job of above idea? Fighting on a couple of fronts in the league and cup competitions would only show more strength of team and therefore league IMO.
I could be way off the mark though.
I think the National Knockout is the closest gauge you get but it is a Knockout competition and one bad game and you our gone.
It also doesn't consider the strength of the league in total as well.
I have played in both the Home Counties Prem and North East Prem and were both serious standards.
If you consider Berkshire have won the Minor Counties the past however many years and the majority of their players play in the HCPL and as said above South North consistently reach major Trophies later stages.
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And what makes you think that the Surrey league is toughest ? Sure there’s a lot of premier leagues around the country which match or possibly better the Surrey league standard
Sorry, I think I created the impression of the whole of the Surrey league being the strongest, don't think that's true.
I think it's called, Fullers championship or something, where Wimbledon, Sunbury, etc play in the league.
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I think the Minor Counties is more a case of which sides have players who are willing and able to take leave to participate in 3 day games and / or not being paid to play for club sides in Sunday cup competitions than the health of a league.
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Sorry, I think I created the impression of the whole of the Surrey league being the strongest, don't think that's true.
I think it's called, Fullers championship or something, where Wimbledon, Sunbury, etc play in the league.
Right, but if you've never played outside of the Surrey leagues how do you know what the standard is like in other counties' strongest league?
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I watch club cricket, on YouTube, more than international/pro cricket.
It's not only about batting /bowling but fielding too.
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And what makes you think that the Surrey league is toughest ? Sure there’s a lot of premier leagues around the country which match or possibly better the Surrey league standard
General rule of thumb: The league where you struggle to make some runs is always the toughest league around!
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General rule of thumb: The league where you struggle to make some runs is always the toughest league around!
General rule of thumb 😎
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I think the National Knockout is the closest gauge you get but it is a Knockout competition and one bad game and you our gone.
It also doesn't consider the strength of the league in total as well.
I have played in both the Home Counties Prem and North East Prem and were both serious standards.
If you consider Berkshire have won the Minor Counties the past however many years and the majority of their players play in the HCPL and as said above South North consistently reach major Trophies later stages.
Home Counties Prem is a serious standard.
To be honest, any premier league is a very good standard of cricket, and realistically more or less everyone in those leagues is a semi professional player in that they are being paid to play.
No way on earth you can say Surrey is the strongest, or Hants, or HCPL or whatever.
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i would say most county prem leagues are equally as strong. from what i have heard from our OS who played in one of the northern prem's (dont know which one) he was playing against ex internationals and current county players on an almost weekly basis.
i know surrey champ prem teams get a player or 2 from surrey and the wealthier ones can afford to pay quite a few of their players in the top 11.
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Home Counties Prem is a serious standard.
To be honest, any premier league is a very good standard of cricket, and realistically more or less everyone in those leagues is a semi professional player in that they are being paid to play.
No way on earth you can say Surrey is the strongest, or Hants, or HCPL or whatever.
Our 1st team was in Surrey Premier League, only national player/overseas player was paid, no one else,
Think only from minor counties onwards, every player is being paid.
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@AJ2014 who do you play for
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Our 1st team was in Surrey Premier League, only national player/overseas player was paid, no one else,
Think only from minor counties onwards, every player is being paid.
One of the problems with comparing leagues is the different rules on the payment of players. A number of set ups run as open leagues where the is no limit on the number of paid players- or indeed a limit to paid players only turning out in XI cricket - which plainly gives an advantage compared to teams in leagues where the are attempts to enforce restrictions.
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One of the problems with comparing leagues is the different rules on the payment of players. A number of set ups run as open leagues where the is no limit on the number of paid players- or indeed a limit to paid players only turning out in XI cricket - which plainly gives an advantage compared to teams in leagues where the are attempts to enforce restrictions.
Don't think there would be any Premier League clubs, Surrey, will/can pay in this way. Financially not do able
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Don't like the idea of paying whole of the 1st team!
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Don't like the idea of paying whole of the 1st team!
Don't think it's a popular idea with any of us who play lower XI cricket to be honest. If I'm paying subs and match fees to play, in addition to volunteering my time to the club, I don't want to see anyone paid unless they're providing benefit to the whole club, ie coaching or grounds work.
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Don't think it's a popular idea with any of us who play lower XI cricket to be honest. If I'm paying subs and match fees to play, in addition to volunteering my time to the club, I don't want to see anyone paid unless they're providing benefit to the whole club, ie coaching or grounds work.
Add to this, what about the talented youngsters? Who they get enough chance to play for the 1st XI? Don't think so, most likely it's gonna make players leave the club
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Don't think there would be any Premier League clubs, Surrey, will/can pay in this way. Financially not do able
It isn't something that I like or agree with but it is certainly the case in some leagues that this situation does exist. That is why comparisons are hard given that it would pitch amateur teams against semi professional ones.
I think this scorecard did the rounds last year. It is a club side with 10 of the 11 who have played to country 2nd XI standard with a helping of first class experience https://hoylandswaine.play-cricket.com/website/results/4456395
Likewise if you have upwards of £30k spare in your budget, Nial O'brien will average 60 in League cricket for you
https://nantwich.play-cricket.com/website/player_stats_widget/batting_stats/3820623 o
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Then, might it be possible that those clubs don't have good enough players? Or might be that those clubs only have 1 or 2 teams set up? I don't know but it would be interesting to know.
Yes they would pay upto 30k!
Don't remember the name of that player but he was hitting such huge, sky high 6s that I never had seen before! , over the top of club house which is at quite distance from the rope!
Think he scored some 80 runs or more, got caught at the boundary, after hitting 3x6 in the same fashion!
I can see him walking back to the dressing room, fuming, hitting his bat hard on his pads!
We lost the game and relegated! Not because him, but due poor performance of the rest of the team, on that day and the rest of the competition that year.
Guess he could've taken a bit easier after those 6s, I'm sure he was thinking the same!
For these kind of players, clubs are willing to play both amount of money, in Premier League...
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Players are paid below the level of premier league, whether they are ex pro's, county seconds players or overseas, it happens in my old league are we are 2-3 levels below premier.
If clubs have the financial clout they will pay players. I have always been fundamentally against paying anyone, thankfully more than a couple of us on the committee feel the same.
That does not stop our members asking why we won't budge and pay someone thou.A lot of clubs take the view anyone paid will move on so you are artificially achieving a standard that cannot be maintained long term.
Plus and more importantly you need to consider whether it's morally right when everyone else pays-the gun player does not.
The last ex pro who played against our club was ex England international fast bowler, retired from first class cricket but not that long ago.
He was getting what I would consider ridiculous money for one league game per week-and any cup competitions they may be in.
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Think they all are being paid per match.
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Yesterday's game was already lost when went out to bat at no. 9! But I was determined to make it a bit closer to oppos 179, while we're on 110 and still like 8 overs left. First 3 deliveries, I left alone, including one close to the off stumps. Whatever tried, didn't work. Even tried to hook, the ball ended up on my right forearm!
Few drives went straight to the fielder.
They're hitting the ball hard on the deck!
Last ball of my innings, stood way outside the crease, ball was there to hit, I thought, then realised it's moving in off the pitch, adjusted the shot into forward defence but was cleaned up!
Batting ain't easy!
Because of the injured finger, used lightest bat, 2lb 7oz, while prior to this match I used bat weighting 2lb 10oz, maybe that made a difference
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I've toeing the ball, the bats I've used so far this season, that's 5 bats.
Anyone idea what the reason is?
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I've toeing the ball, the bats I've used so far this season, that's 5 bats.
Anyone idea what the reason is?
Well it wont be the bat! My suggestion without seeing you is that your not keeping your shape when playing the shot, is your head lifting? If so then so will your hands. For the hands to be effective need to stay on the line/path of the ball and for this to happen the head and shoulder need to stay down.
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I think, given the opportunity, I could get Ariana Grande into bed. Doesn’t mean I can. ;) ;)
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I think, given the opportunity, I could get Ariana Grande into bed. Doesn’t mean I can. ;) ;)
So, she's on your mind 😃
And you're wouldn't believe what oppos keeper said in last Sunday's game...
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Nobody wants to open because it’s the hardest place to bat.
I may get a battering here (no pun intended) but I actually think 6 is the hardest place to bat in club cricket... As an opener, more often than not your thought process and technique is the same and you are being tested in a similar way, every week. At 6, you could be 20 for 4 and have to play a holding role, or 200 for 4 with limited overs remaining having to go big. Number 6 is also more likely to bat with the lower order and "manage" their batting as well as his/her own.
I dont think its the same for the professional game BTW.
Just my view!
Cheers
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I may get a battering here (no pun intended) but I actually think 6 is the hardest place to bat in club cricket... As an opener, more often than not your thought process and technique is the same and you are being tested in a similar way, every week. At 6, you could be 20 for 4 and have to play a holding role, or 200 for 4 with limited overs remaining having to go big. Number 6 is also more likely to bat with the lower order and "manage" their batting as well as his/her own.
I dont think its the same for the professional game BTW.
Just my view!
Cheers
I'll agree with this, it might be for 6 downwards batsmen.
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Think it depends how deep your team bats but in a lower XI team then yeah, 6/7 can be a tough spot to bat. This year I've been coming in at 7/8 and one week I came in at 94/5 with 21 overs to bat on a brilliant batting deck, the next week I was in at 119/6 with 17 balls left on an absolute dog of a pitch.
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Well it wont be the bat! My suggestion without seeing you is that your not keeping your shape when playing the shot, is your head lifting? If so then so will your hands. For the hands to be effective need to stay on the line/path of the ball and for this to happen the head and shoulder need to stay down.
they've been horizontal shots, way outside the off stumps, fetching to hit the ball 🤔
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Think it depends how deep your team bats but in a lower XI team then yeah, 6/7 can be a tough spot to bat. This year I've been coming in at 7/8 and one week I came in at 94/5 with 21 overs to bat on a brilliant batting deck, the next week I was in at 119/6 with 17 balls left on an absolute dog of a pitch.
I can't remember to bowled bowled a half volley to me, at 9,10 or 11!
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I can't remember to bowled bowled a half volley to me, at 9,10 or 11!
What?
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AJ.
After 12 pages and I’m going out on a limb here… I’m not sure you can bat.
Not a big deal as your bowling seems to be going well.
Just enjoy it, but it appears the stories of your innings last longer than your actual innings!!!
If you want advice from a slogger with a penchant for anything aerial on the leg side… watch the ball really closely from the release - so many of us don’t.
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AJ.
After 12 pages and I’m going out on a limb here… I’m not sure you can bat.
Not a big deal as your bowling seems to be going well.
Just enjoy it, but it appears the stories of your innings last longer than your actual innings!!!
If you want advice from a slogger with a penchant for anything aerial on the leg side… watch the ball really closely from the release - so many of us don’t.
🙂👍
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All the money in on batting,
buying all those bats etc 🙂
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All the money in on batting,
buying all those bats etc 🙂
Spending money on bats expecting that to be the answer is a waste of money (sorry but it is), find a good coach!
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they've been horizontal shots, way outside the off stumps, fetching to hit the ball 🤔
Why are you fetching outside off stump I presume to play it through the leg side? Heard of the off side?
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Spending money on bats expecting that to be the answer is a waste of money (sorry but it is), find a good coach!
Don't tell people that mate! 😆
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Spending money on bats expecting that to be the answer is a waste of money (sorry but it is), find a good coach!
But a new bat never gives me honest advice about my failings and limitations as a cricketer 😂
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Why are you fetching outside off stump I presume to play it through the leg side? Heard of the off side?
Trying to play Some straight some over the cover /slips, somewhere there 😃😎
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But a new bat never gives me honest advice about my failings and limitations as a cricketer 😂
Wow Jim, you're so philosophical about buying new bats 😃😃
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Spending money on bats expecting that to be the answer is a waste of money (sorry but it is), find a good coach!
You're making me think... 💭
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Trying to play Some straight some over the cover /slips, somewhere there 😃😎
If you're hitting over cover you aren't fetching it!!!
Think the clue is in the title, you think you can bat whereas the reality is you probably can't 🤔
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Don't tell people that mate! 😆
Hahaha Johnny, I'm sure no one read it! 😃
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I've toeing the ball, the bats I've used so far this season, that's 5 bats.
Anyone idea what the reason is?
My guess is that you're just not very good.
Have you considered trying snooker?
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My guess is that you're just not very good.
Have you considered trying snooker?
Hahaha, you'll not believe, I've been snookered many times! 😃 I can bat a bit but I'm not a batsman...
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If you're hitting over cover you aren't fetching it!!!
Think the clue is in the title, you think you can bat whereas the reality is you probably can't 🤔
Yes I should have said reaching for it, I can bat a bit...