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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: AJ2014 on August 15, 2021, 10:42:45 AM
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Captains should play the game on the day form of their players!
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You won the toss and bowled, got them out for 166/restricted them.
And then got cleaned up for 76 against one of the better sides in the league... Not sure what the skipper can do to mediocre batting.
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Captains should play the game on the day form of their players!
Going off the scorecard.. You might want to narrow down WHY you hold that opinion. As Buzz says.. just looks like the team batted badly and so you lose. Oh well, amateur cricket. move on to next week... Unless you think he reversed the order or something....
Also looks like they batted NEARLY as badly.. only two of their lower order showed some fight and dug in a bit.. Yours didn't for example.
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What I mean is that the bowlers who are doing well, should be kept on, especially they're bowline well, applying pressure and creating chances!
Don't just change them, for any reason.
Our batting was definitely very poor!
Really hopeless batters!
They had a youthful team except their captain, and had batters lower down the order, who were capable to hitting 6s!
160 plus was always to be a testing run chase!
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What I mean is that the bowlers who are doing well, should be kept on, especially they're bowline well, applying pressure and creating chances!
Don't just change them, for any reason.
Our batting was definitely very poor!
Really hopeless batters!
They had a youthful team except their captain, and had batters lower down the order, who were capable to hitting 6s!
160 plus was always to be a testing run chase!
umm, they hit 4 6's in the innings and only 14 4's.. tbf.. that's not exactly massive biffing .
Well, it depends what you want out of a game. If you are angling to bat loads and bowl loads in the name of win at all costs then sure.. However, good luck getting xi people out week after week playing like that (even if you're the 1xi and just drag people up, good luck getting out a 2/3/4/5's playing with that mantra).. That's one of hte big reasons people quit after all!
It's a saturday afternoon, amateur game of cricket.. of course you give people a go for christ sake. Who cares if you are 'better' than someone else.. just be happy for them and hopefully all 22 people go home having enjoyed the day!
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umm, they hit 4 6's in the innings and only 14 4's.. tbf.. that's not exactly massive biffing .
Well, it depends what you want out of a game. If you are angling to bat loads and bowl loads in the name of win at all costs then sure.. However, good luck getting xi people out week after week playing like that (even if you're the 1xi and just drag people up, good luck getting out a 2/3/4/5's playing with that mantra).. That's one of hte big reasons people quit after all!
It's a saturday afternoon, amateur game of cricket.. of course you give people a go for christ sake. Who cares if you are 'better' than someone else.. just be happy for them and hopefully all 22 people go home having enjoyed the day!
You don't get it, man!
I'm not talking about myself! Or about this game!
It's been going on with many captains, who think they know better! And start changing around bowlers! Even those bowlers haven't bowled well in those particular matches!
I'm sure, for you Saturday matches are the same as Sundays social games, but in reality/practice they're not!
And I don't have to win every single match!
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"Who think they know better", why don't you step up as captain then? Think you're forgetting how much work goes into being a club cricket captain and how screwed your club would be without these guys putting in the hours.
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You don't get it, man!
I'm not talking about myself! Or about this game!
It's been going on with many captains, who think they know better! And start changing around bowlers! Even those bowlers haven't bowled well in those particular matches!
I'm sure, for you Saturday matches are the same as Sundays social games, but in reality/practice they're not!
And I don't have to win every single match!
They really are the same.. Are you paying to be there?? yes Would the game go ahead if you didn't have 11 players .. yes... Is it an amateur game.. yes.. then it's just the same :)
Captains (generally, there are some at bigger clubs who do just rock up for the game) put in hours behind the scenes and some realise they need to give peeps a game or they won't get xi players (or other teams in their club will suffer). if you want to make the calls, be a captain and see how long you go before you annoy someone because you've not played them, or batted them, or bowled them etc etc
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I do respect captain, especially my teams captains.
But there is anyways space for improvements.
After all you play the game to win, not to lose.
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What I mean is that the bowlers who are doing well, should be kept on, especially they're bowline well, applying pressure and creating chances!
Don't just change them, for any reason.
One of your bowlers took 5 wickets in his 14 overs. I presume he was kept on...
This post sounds like you're just upset you didn't take any wickets in your 9 overs, and feel you should've stayed on!
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Could you please list the mistakes made by your captain in this game, along with how many runs each mistake cost your team?
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I do respect captain, especially my teams captains.
But there is anyways space for improvements.
After all you play the game to win, not to lose.
Not a single person plays to lose fella. Just don't have to play win at all costs. If giving people a go means you lose then so be it. Not a single player will be trying to mess up.. happens. come 2100 on saturday evening no one really cares about the game anyway win or lose!
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Could you please list the mistakes made by your captain in this game, along with how many runs each mistake cost your team?
exactly. I'm seeing a close game where both sides didn't bat well (could be a hard pitch?) and one team's tail stood up and the other didn;t (maybe skill, maybe they just didn't fancy hanging around and played too many shots? - we have no idea.. you do as you were there)... You bowled 9 overs so maybe you were over bowled?
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One of your bowlers took 5 wickets in his 14 overs. I presume he was kept on...
This post sounds like you're just upset you didn't take any wickets in your 9 overs, and feel you should've stayed on!
No, it isn't like that.
Mike took 5er, I was fielding at mid off and was trying to calm him down as he's trying too hard with his left arm China men , resulting in high full tosses, which went for 6s!
He slowed down and started getting into his rythem and bowled Beautifully. He then got a bit, had 2 short spells to finish off his 14 overs.
I did bowl very well but I was also hit for 2x6 and 1x4.
I didn't have a problem when captain took me off, after my last ball went for a 6, so no issues there!
I guess he's made his mind up already, before the start of my 9th over.
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No, it isn't like that.
Mike took 5er, I was fielding at mid off and was trying to calm him down as he's trying too hard with his left arm China men , resulting in high full tosses, which went for 6s!
He slowed down and started getting into his rythem and bowled Beautifully. He then got a bit, had 2 short spells to finish off his 14 overs.
I did bowl very well but I was also hit for 2x6 and 1x4.
I didn't have a problem when captain took me off, after my last ball went for a 6, so no issues there!
I guess he's made his mind up already, before the start of my 9th over.
you bowled 2 6 balls... he must have only bowled 2 6 balls....
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exactly. I'm seeing a close game where both sides didn't bat well (could be a hard pitch?) and one team's tail stood up and the other didn;t (maybe skill, maybe they just didn't fancy hanging around and played too many shots? - we have no idea.. you do as you were there)... You bowled 9 overs so maybe you were over bowled?
Pitch was very hard!
They had better batsmen, they did some very rash shots, they're 82-1, then Mike took wickets, one run out as well.
One catch dropped by our keeper on my bowling.
Resulting in like 40 runs partnership.
How could I be over bowled when I only conceded only 9 runs from the 2nd over first ball to the 5th ball of 9 over? But I understood that skipper was looking for quick wickets and he then changed me, nothing wrong it.
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So if the skipper changed things and you don’t have a problem with it? What’s the problem….
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They had better batsmen
There you go fixed it for you.
After reading through your many posts over the last year or so since you joined, I still have absolutely no idea what you’re looking for in a game of cricket…
But I 100% think you’re taking both the game and yourself way too seriously for what is an amateur game played for enjoyment.
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Hi @AJ2014
Can you please give me a bit more of a background on what the issues are? Are you unhappy with how the captain rotated the bowling or with the batting order? What sort of level of cricket do you play?
There isn't always a perfect solution for captains at the club level. Sometimes it is a great success if you can
(a) Get eleven players on the pitch at the same time and location.
(b) Ensure that everyone has as good a game as possible and nobody has a tantrum.
(c) Finish the game with both sides fist bumping and with smiles and no bad feeling.
So I guess I'm saying that it depends on the level you play to a certain extent. I play to win but even if I get a first baller life will still go on and I might not always agree with every decision the captain makes but it's more important that people get on and just enjoy playing the game (if they can).
As a senior player how do you help the captain manage on the day?
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There you go fixed it for you.
After reading through your many posts over the last year or so since you joined, I still have absolutely no idea what you’re looking for in a game of cricket…
But I 100% think you’re taking both the game and yourself way too seriously for what is an amateur game played for enjoyment.
Thanks for taking the time,
What I'm trying to point out is that captains should keep the bowlers on who are bowling well and they've overs left to bowl.
To keep tight grip on the match.
I take my bowling seriously but you see even then I was hit for couple of 6s,
enjoying part was that both were hit very well, one over the top of my head and the other at straighter mid wicket.
And that lad was saying, any other day you could have get me out! But I dont worry about that.
I'm learning from my mistakes.
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Captains should play the game on the day form of their players!
When players in my team say these statements, it always means "The captain should be playing me instead of the guy that hardly shows up to training" but forget that the guy who hardly shows up for trainings has been a gun player for the most part and can really make a difference.
And in recreational cricket everyone should get something out of the game.
"And that lad was saying, any other day you could have get me out! But I dont worry about that."
Ah man... you're really taking yourself way too serious.
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captains should keep the bowlers on who are bowling well and they've overs left to bowl.
To keep tight grip on the match.
I take my bowling seriously but you see even then I was hit for couple of 6s,
Rotating the bowlers is a pretty sound tactic IMO. Face the same bowlers for long enough and even a terrible batsman will start to work out a method of playing them.
Again, maybe you should run for captain of your team next year and see how you do?
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Let me get this straight... You bowled 9 overs straight through, conceded 26 runs, took no wickets. Now you're having a moan about your captain's 'short sightedness' and not keeping you on, despite going for 10 off your first over but keeping you on for 9? Put it this way, the only thing you can blame the skipper for in this case is not convincing the opposition to bat for 20 overs only to make the game tighter, as they would have still won with your team's batting display.
Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved. They can be a bit short sighted and sometimes have to rely on gut feeling, but then again, they don't have time machines. You can disagree with things - however I'm not sure that he has been particularly short sighted in this case... You've bowled 9 on the trott for no reward when 4 more wickets were required, 2 of which fell the over after your 2nd over. If anything, he gave you a few overs too many - that's just cricket. Regardless of result, put your best out there for your captain and your team, and go and enjoy yourself.
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Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved.
A good captain is able to not only win games but also have 11 happy players who are all genuinely contributing and getting a good game... It's really really hard. A bad captain is WAAC and only gives a select few a game and expect others to turn up and be happy to just be there. There is a reason bigger clubs lose players left right and centre and generally have to pay players or bring up younger ones just to field.
Chad was willing to give it a go and fair play. Captaining isn't easy and tbh, he's not the first to say it's nearly killed the love of the game for him. Personally, wouldn't want to do it not because of cricket knowledge (that's actually easy).. it's that you need to give 11 people a game week in week out and that's really hard
You bowled 9 overs.. that's a cracking game for you irrespective of the result etc.
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Let me get this straight... You bowled 9 overs straight through, conceded 26 runs, took no wickets. Now you're having a moan about your captain's 'short sightedness' and not keeping you on, despite going for 10 off your first over but keeping you on for 9? Put it this way, the only thing you can blame the skipper for in this case is not convincing the opposition to bat for 20 overs only to make the game tighter, as they would have still won with your team's batting display.
Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved. They can be a bit short sighted and sometimes have to rely on gut feeling, but then again, they don't have time machines. You can disagree with things - however I'm not sure that he has been particularly short sighted in this case... You've bowled 9 on the trott for no reward when 4 more wickets were required, 2 of which fell the over after your 2nd over. If anything, he gave you a few overs too many - that's just cricket. Regardless of result, put your best out there for your captain and your team, and go and enjoy yourself.
Nail hit well and truly on the head right here.
In the very wise words of Elsa just let it go, and look forward to next week.
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Once again I am not talking about myself wanting to bowl more overs when skipper changed me. It was the next change of medium pacer who didn't bowled well first up, and have more runs away, who was replacing Mike, while Mike still had like 5 overs left,that wasn't a correct decision, should have kept Mike on and he's bowling very well.
If you think spinner bowling more than 6 overs is over bowling then then that's your opinion, I can't do anything about it.
If a spinner is bowling non sense, then straight away!
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From the scorecard it looks like the guy you're talking about bowled 14 overs, what are you complaining about?
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Sounds like you might want to talk to your captain and not vent about him on a forum about cricket equipment.
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From the scorecard it looks like the guy you're talking about bowled 14 overs, what are you complaining about?
14 overs also happens to be the maximum permitted number of overs!
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Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated over and over again. @AJ2014 's post did stir up great responses about club captaincy and its challenges. I take that as a positive.
Anyone who has played club cricket long enough, can relate to the challenges of a club cricket captaincy. It is hard work. But I feel club cricket (as a player) is also very hard work. The "highs" are definitely an amazing experience but lows are pretty bad. And, most of the time, a club cricketers experiences "lows". :D
I had a very limited season this year - I just bailed after a few games due to other responsibilities. Here comes the "heresy" guys: I didn't miss cricket. I know, horror! The weekly game "prep" and the game itself takes up so much time that without all of it consuming my summer's free time, the contrast is alarming. I am contemplating the trade offs and value of stress and planning for a weekly game. One undeniable upside (or side effect) of club cricket is fitness. But I can be fit without all the hard work and the mental anguish that one experiences when playing club cricket. So, there is much to think about.
Having said all that, good social experience and good captaincy are two of the most important factors in retaining a core group that will play every weekend. Take those two factors away, you won't have much of a team.
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I didn't miss cricket. I know, horror!
I think sadly that's what most people think. In 2020 everyone got an enforced time off and shock horror, people have realised that actually.. rocking up, paying a load of cash, giving your time up to then either not get a full game, get abused or keep doing badly just isn't worth the effort.
Captaincy is hard IF you do it properly (and I exclude big club capts as they generally don't actually do much off field anyway and just get handed a team)
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Once again I am not talking about myself wanting to bowl more overs when skipper changed me. It was the next change of medium pacer who didn't bowled well first up, and have more runs away, who was replacing Mike, while Mike still had like 5 overs left,that wasn't a correct decision, should have kept Mike on and he's bowling very well.
If you think spinner bowling more than 6 overs is over bowling then then that's your opinion, I can't do anything about it.
If a spinner is bowling non sense, then straight away!
it sounds like your captain did a decent job, rotating bowlers to try and get wickets is pretty standard isnt it?
Im not sure what you exact issue is here other than you only got 9 overs and got taken off after being hit for 6, maybe you should stand for a captaincy role next season and then you can have your maximum allocation irrespective of how many times you get hit for 6.
Club captaincy is hard work just getting 11 on the pitch and trying to be competitve. they also rely on loyalty and commitment from their players as well as the understanding that they wont always be right.
Have the captains at all of your previous clubs had the same faults in your eyes?
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Having said all that, good social experience and good captaincy are two of the most important factors in retaining a core group that will play every weekend. Take those two factors away, you won't have much of a team.
This is probably the most true statement I've read.
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Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated over and over again. @AJ2014 's post did stir up great responses about club captaincy and its challenges. I take that as a positive.
Anyone who has played club cricket long enough, can relate to the challenges of a club cricket captaincy. It is hard work. But I feel club cricket (as a player) is also very hard work. The "highs" are definitely an amazing experience but lows are pretty bad. And, most of the time, a club cricketers experiences "lows". :D
I had a very limited season this year - I just bailed after a few games due to other responsibilities. Here comes the "heresy" guys: I didn't miss cricket. I know, horror! The weekly game "prep" and the game itself takes up so much time that without all of it consuming my summer's free time, the contrast is alarming. I am contemplating the trade offs and value of stress and planning for a weekly game. One undeniable upside (or side effect) of club cricket is fitness. But I can be fit without all the hard work and the mental anguish that one experiences when playing club cricket. So, there is much to think about.
Having said all that, good social experience and good captaincy are two of the most important factors in retaining a core group that will play every weekend. Take those two factors away, you won't have much of a team.
Thanks, very much appreciated 👍
Last paragraph is remarkably, very true!
Thanks for sharing.