Topic: Club captains and their short sightedness (Read 6287 times)

AJ2014 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2021, 05:43:40 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 15, 2021, 05:33:54 PM

exactly. I'm seeing a close game where both sides didn't bat well (could be a hard pitch?) and one team's tail stood up and the other didn;t (maybe skill, maybe they just didn't fancy hanging around and played too many shots? - we have no idea.. you do as you were there)... You bowled 9 overs so maybe you were over bowled?

Pitch was very hard!
They had better batsmen, they did some very rash shots, they're 82-1, then Mike took wickets, one run out as well.
One catch dropped by our keeper on my bowling.
Resulting in like 40 runs partnership.
How could I be over bowled when I only conceded only 9 runs from the 2nd over first ball to the 5th ball of 9 over? But I understood that skipper was looking for quick wickets and he then changed me, nothing wrong it.

imogzyboy · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2021, 05:49:44 PM »

So if the skipper changed things and you don�t have a problem with it? What�s the problem�.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2021, 10:24:52 PM »

Quote from: AJ2014 on August 15, 2021, 05:43:40 PM

They had better batsmen

There you go fixed it for you.

After reading through your many posts over the last year or so since you joined, I still have absolutely no idea what you�re looking for in a game of cricket�

But I 100% think you�re taking both the game and yourself way too seriously for what is an amateur game played for enjoyment.

JTtaylor145 · « **Reply #18 on:** August 16, 2021, 08:32:57 AM »

Hi @AJ2014

Can you please give me a bit more of a background on what the issues are? Are you unhappy with how the captain rotated the bowling or with the batting order? What sort of level of cricket do you play?

There isn't always a perfect solution for captains at the club level. Sometimes it is a great success if you can

(a) Get eleven players on the pitch at the same time and location.
(b) Ensure that everyone has as good a game as possible and nobody has a tantrum.
(c) Finish the game with both sides fist bumping and with smiles and no bad feeling.

So I guess I'm saying that it depends on the level you play to a certain extent. I play to win but even if I get a first baller life will still go on and I might not always agree with every decision the captain makes but it's more important that people get on and just enjoy playing the game (if they can).

As a senior player how do you help the captain manage on the day?

AJ2014 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:11:11 AM »

Quote from: jamesisapayne on August 15, 2021, 10:24:52 PM

There you go fixed it for you.

After reading through your many posts over the last year or so since you joined, I still have absolutely no idea what you�re looking for in a game of cricket�

But I 100% think you�re taking both the game and yourself way too seriously for what is an amateur game played for enjoyment.

Thanks for taking the time,
What I'm trying to point out is that captains should keep the bowlers on who are bowling well and they've overs left to bowl.
To keep tight grip on the match.
I take my bowling seriously but you see even then I was hit for couple of 6s,
enjoying part was that both were hit very well, one over the top of my head and the other at straighter mid wicket.
And that lad was saying, any other day you could have get me out! But I dont worry about that.
I'm learning from my mistakes.

suraj · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:22:27 AM »

Quote from: AJ2014 on August 15, 2021, 10:42:45 AM

Captains should play the game on the day form of their players!

When players in my team say these statements, it always means "The captain should be playing me instead of the guy that hardly shows up to training" but forget that the guy who hardly shows up for trainings has been a gun player for the most part and can really make a difference.
And in recreational cricket everyone should get something out of the game.

"And that lad was saying, any other day you could have get me out! But I dont worry about that."

Ah man... you're really taking yourself way too serious.

Jimbo · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:25:46 AM »

Quote from: AJ2014 on August 16, 2021, 09:11:11 AM

captains should keep the bowlers on who are bowling well and they've overs left to bowl.
To keep tight grip on the match.
I take my bowling seriously but you see even then I was hit for couple of 6s,

Rotating the bowlers is a pretty sound tactic IMO. Face the same bowlers for long enough and even a terrible batsman will start to work out a method of playing them.

Again, maybe you should run for captain of your team next year and see how you do?

Chad · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2021, 11:01:31 AM »

Let me get this straight... You bowled 9 overs straight through, conceded 26 runs, took no wickets. Now you're having a moan about your captain's 'short sightedness' and not keeping you on, despite going for 10 off your first over but keeping you on for 9? Put it this way, the only thing you can blame the skipper for in this case is not convincing the opposition to bat for 20 overs only to make the game tighter, as they would have still won with your team's batting display.

Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved. They can be a bit short sighted and sometimes have to rely on gut feeling, but then again, they don't have time machines. You can disagree with things - however I'm not sure that he has been particularly short sighted in this case... You've bowled 9 on the trott for no reward when 4 more wickets were required, 2 of which fell the over after your 2nd over. If anything, he gave you a few overs too many - that's just cricket. Regardless of result, put your best out there for your captain and your team, and go and enjoy yourself.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2021, 11:13:00 AM »

Quote from: Chad on August 16, 2021, 11:01:31 AM

Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved.

A good captain is able to not only win games but also have 11 happy players who are all genuinely contributing and getting a good game... It's really really hard. A bad captain is WAAC and only gives a select few a game and expect others to turn up and be happy to just be there. There is a reason bigger clubs lose players left right and centre and generally have to pay players or bring up younger ones just to field.

Chad was willing to give it a go and fair play. Captaining isn't easy and tbh, he's not the first to say it's nearly killed the love of the game for him. Personally, wouldn't want to do it not because of cricket knowledge (that's actually easy).. it's that you need to give 11 people a game week in week out and that's really hard

You bowled 9 overs.. that's a cracking game for you irrespective of the result etc.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2021, 12:14:18 PM »

Quote from: Chad on August 16, 2021, 11:01:31 AM

Let me get this straight... You bowled 9 overs straight through, conceded 26 runs, took no wickets. Now you're having a moan about your captain's 'short sightedness' and not keeping you on, despite going for 10 off your first over but keeping you on for 9? Put it this way, the only thing you can blame the skipper for in this case is not convincing the opposition to bat for 20 overs only to make the game tighter, as they would have still won with your team's batting display.

Captaining is not easy, and actually almost killed my love for the game, for reasons mentioned above about having to stress about getting bodies on the pitch and making sure everyone got involved. They can be a bit short sighted and sometimes have to rely on gut feeling, but then again, they don't have time machines. You can disagree with things - however I'm not sure that he has been particularly short sighted in this case... You've bowled 9 on the trott for no reward when 4 more wickets were required, 2 of which fell the over after your 2nd over. If anything, he gave you a few overs too many - that's just cricket. Regardless of result, put your best out there for your captain and your team, and go and enjoy yourself.

Nail hit well and truly on the head right here.

In the very wise words of Elsa just let it go, and look forward to next week.

AJ2014 · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2021, 01:03:34 PM »

Once again I am not talking about myself wanting to bowl more overs when skipper changed me. It was the next change of medium pacer who didn't bowled well first up, and have more runs away, who was replacing Mike, while Mike still had like 5 overs left,that wasn't a correct decision, should have kept Mike on and he's bowling very well.
If you think spinner bowling more than 6 overs is over bowling then then that's your opinion, I can't do anything about it.
If a spinner is bowling non sense, then straight away!

Jimbo · « **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2021, 01:22:48 PM »

From the scorecard it looks like the guy you're talking about bowled 14 overs, what are you complaining about?

suraj · « **Reply #27 on:** August 16, 2021, 01:26:58 PM »

Sounds like you might want to talk to your captain and not vent about him on a forum about cricket equipment.

edge · « **Reply #28 on:** August 16, 2021, 01:27:24 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 16, 2021, 01:22:48 PM

From the scorecard it looks like the guy you're talking about bowled 14 overs, what are you complaining about?

14 overs also happens to be the maximum permitted number of overs!

InternalTraining · « **Reply #29 on:** August 16, 2021, 01:33:06 PM »

Sometimes the obvious needs to be stated over and over again. @AJ2014 's post did stir up great responses about club captaincy and its challenges. I take that as a positive.

Anyone who has played club cricket long enough, can relate to the challenges of a club cricket captaincy. It is hard work. But I feel club cricket (as a player) is also very hard work. The "highs" are definitely an amazing experience but lows are pretty bad. And, most of the time, a club cricketers experiences "lows".

I had a very limited season this year - I just bailed after a few games due to other responsibilities. Here comes the "heresy" guys: I didn't miss cricket. I know, horror! The weekly game "prep" and the game itself takes up so much time that without all of it consuming my summer's free time, the contrast is alarming. I am contemplating the trade offs and value of stress and planning for a weekly game. One undeniable upside (or side effect) of club cricket is fitness. But I can be fit without all the hard work and the mental anguish that one experiences when playing club cricket. So, there is much to think about.

Having said all that, good social experience and good captaincy are two of the most important factors in retaining a core group that will play every weekend. Take those two factors away, you won't have much of a team.

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