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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: six and out on February 02, 2022, 06:58:35 AM
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As the title suggests, quite a few papers suggesting that Stewart will be named coach on a temporary basis for the West Indies tour and probably the Summer.
Thoughts??
REVEALED: Stewart keen to take caretaker charge of England Test team https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-10465877/Cricket-Alec-Stewart-keen-caretaker-charge-Englands-Test-team-Silverwood-sacked.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-10465877/Cricket-Alec-Stewart-keen-caretaker-charge-Englands-Test-team-Silverwood-sacked.html?ito=native_share_article-masthead)
https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/next-england-cricket-coach-alec-stewart-west-indies-tour-chris-silverwood-sacked-1436295 (https://inews.co.uk/sport/cricket/next-england-cricket-coach-alec-stewart-west-indies-tour-chris-silverwood-sacked-1436295)
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Love Stewie but not sure about this as an appointment,gotta be an improvement on Spoons.
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I can’t imagine it’s at all pleasant having the sack over you and played out in the media, but it seems imminent Giles will save himself and sack Silverwood and Thorpe. I think we need a better coach but it’s the management that needs removing - Giles and Harrison so we can get some sort of reset towards the test team….
Having said that some of us that watched Stewart playing know he is class and with a lack of world class players in that era he was one of our best.
In wicketkeeping terms alone he was a different class to what we have now and made himself about the best batsman keeper I can remember.
I think he will be appointed short term for the West Indies.
Root needs help and this sounds pretty good to me
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He has been a bit hit and miss for Surrey as the manager.
We have been terrible for a couple of years.
But he was the boss when we won the champo (thanks Morne though)
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The post Ashes clear out is about to be announced.
Giles, Silverwood and Thorpe all out
Harrison not gone yet though. He wants his bonus.
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I get the feeling he is also a bit of a no nonsense type and with a real pedigree behind him maybe he can get a few of these pre Madonna’s out of there comfort zone and which seems to be a feeling from a few senior figures reporting on that players have more say than maybe they should do given there performances and the teams outputs over recent years. Consequence management is a term I hear a lot in the workplace that you lose some perks when your not performing.
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Just announced Giles is stepping down!
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Giles has stepped down he must of had an option I think as they hang around as long as possible-or for the bonus in Harrison’s case. He really is a leech.
Temp arrangement for the Windies will be fine. On the point of whether the team needs a firm hand…yes…but cricket has got like football and the players have more power than ever.
Just look at the ongoing saga of Justin Langer currently.
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Whatever you think of Langer as a coach seems he’s got a lot more class than the leeches at the ECB
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/coach-justin-langer-refuses-morally-inappropriate-bonus-due-to-cas-massive-covid-job-cuts-7753555/
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Whatever you think of Langer as a coach seems he’s got a lot more class than the leeches at the ECB
https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/coach-justin-langer-refuses-morally-inappropriate-bonus-due-to-cas-massive-covid-job-cuts-7753555/
You won’t find many disagreeing on here with that viewpoint.
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Silverwood's gone
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Silverwood gone, we need an experienced coach to help Root and get some test match batting thinking into the younger players.
But in some ways cheif selector and coach in one job plus the covid issues and bubbles, Silverwood had one hand behind his back before he started.
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Harrison still clinging on for dear life to get his grubby mitts on that bonus
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Seems the quiet money is on Richard Dawson for the interim role in the Windies.
I was at uni with him😂. But he has played and coached at Yorkshire, played a few tests and coached at Gloucester before being the Eng u19 coach.
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Seems the quiet money is on Richard Dawson for the interim role in the Windies.
I was at uni with him😂. But he has played and coached at Yorkshire, played a few tests and coached at Gloucester before being the Eng u19 coach.
Dawson the clubbie offie who played out in Aus that one time? Got to be kidding me :o :( :D :D :D
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Seems the quiet money is on Richard Dawson for the interim role in the Windies.
I was at uni with him😂. But he has played and coached at Yorkshire, played a few tests and coached at Gloucester before being the Eng u19 coach.
Doing a good job with the U19's at the moment TBF.
I don't mind that as an interim solution, while they work on getting someone in long term and whether their splitting the coaching roles.
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Dawson was really highly rated during his spell with Glos, good choice for an iterim coach I'd say. Wonder who's picking the squad, now that should be an interesting read!
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Dawson the clubbie offie who played out in Aus that one time? Got to be kidding me :o :( :D :D :D
Pretty much. The guy Steve Waugh smashed around Sydney to get his redemptive 100 (I was there). We actually won that game mind you.
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Harrison should go and John Neale should be removed from the role of Head of Coach Development - we're now seeing the fruits of the coaching programmes he started to put in -
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Thorpe confirmed gone too, not a moment too soon.
Already seeing the dafties out in force saying Cook/Pietersen/Vaughan should be the new batting/assistant coach 🤦♂️ how about someone with a proven track record of coaching?
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Thorpe confirmed gone too, not a moment too soon.
Already seeing the dafties out in force saying Cook/Pietersen/Vaughan should be the new batting/assistant coach 🤦♂️ how about someone with a proven track record of coaching?
The list is short if none existant, to find someone with the right coaching experience and also someone the players will be able to look up to which at thet level is important.
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Interim coaches looks to be favourite. I think our new coach needs a batting background as that is our weakness.
Kirsten will only do one format as he said last time he was interviewed and with the one day and test format needing different skills I think separate coaches is the way we will now go.
Having Silverwood responsible for T20,one day, tests and chief selector was a monumental failure of management.
It will of saved the ECB money to do it that way.
High time we invested in the test side long term but will we do it with the money making format being limited over cricket?
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If they want someone big, then with the schedule they have I don't see them getting anyone without splitting the white ball and test coaching roles.
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Get Kirsten in I reckon for the test team. Gutsy player, no nonsense kind of guy- has some kahunas and a strong rep. This type of coach has worked (for a period) and led to some success.
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Pretty much. The guy Steve Waugh smashed around Sydney to get his redemptive 100 (I was there). We actually won that game mind you.
Was that the one when he basically batted on one leg and got to 100 late in the day? Now he was a gutsy player!
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Aparently Justin Langer is in the frame for full time role
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Get Kirsten in I reckon for the test team. Gutsy player, no nonsense kind of guy- has some kahunas and a strong rep. This type of coach has worked (for a period) and led to some success.
Does he have any other Kookaburras? 😂
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Does he have any other Kookaburras? 😂
Just some big kahunas
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Justin Langer is looking for a new job apparently. How about someone like Adam Voges?
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I'm conflicted on Langer in that he'd make life a pain in the (No Swearing Please), but at the same time they all clearly need a massive kick up the backside
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No idea why I've not seen Collingwood's name mentioned anywhere. The man has a complete understanding of modern multi-format cricket, experience as a top level coach, and is a proven leader with integrity.
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No idea why I've not seen Collingwood's name mentioned anywhere. The man has a complete understanding of modern multi-format cricket, experience as a top level coach, and is a proven leader with integrity.
Has he actually had any real success as a coach so far? Don't doubt he's got the raw ingredients but is he experienced enough?
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He's got a lot more experience of the modern game, and of the pitfalls involved in constantly switching between formats, than anyone of Stewart's generation. I think that's pretty crucial expertise for what England need in order to rebuild.
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Plus he's been an elite level coach (admitedly not in the top job) for a few years now.
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Plus he's been an elite level coach (admitedly not in the top job) for a few years now.
Think that would be my concern, it's a different kind of pressure.
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Think that would be my concern, it's a different kind of pressure.
It's a fair concern about the heat and pressure but all that's ever done to Brigadier Block in the past is turn him into a diamond :D
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I’m glad Collingwood is part of the set up and hope he stays-we need more of his type…making the most of your talent.
Langer I think Strauss knows well but as others have mentioned can that type of man management work nowadays.
He achieved his remit with Australia and then some- over fifty percent win ratio, a World Cup 2020 and a thumping Ashes win against us.
The coach is judged on results and you can see why ex players like Pointing have hammered CA this morning.
Tough call for England I think, the right coach is key.
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Many snakes in the grass in the Australian setup…Finch and Cummins turning on JL. All time low two faced behaviour.
Still think JL would be ‘loathed’ the coach the Poms.
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Many snakes in the grass in the Australian setup…Finch and Cummins turning on JL. All time low two faced behaviour.
Still think JL would be ‘loathed’ the coach the Poms.
I’ve watched and admired Langer since he started playing. I suspect he coaches as he played but I’m sure you are right
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Many snakes in the grass in the Australian setup…Finch and Cummins turning on JL. All time low two faced behaviour.
Still think JL would be ‘loathed’ the coach the Poms.
What's the TLDR on the Aussie's situation right now?
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The current set up looks too cosy to me. You can't have international players not being up to the necessary fitness standards for the start of a tour and not behaving professionally with their diet and alcohol consumption whilst on tour.
I accept that this can't be viewed solely as an issue for the international side. The standards of fitness and professionalism in the county game are diabolical. Players get into a terrible culture before coming into the England set up due to the poor standards in the domestic game. That can't excuse though failing to run the national set up properly.
Langer appears a high risk option that won't go down well with everyone but seems to be exactly what is needed to get the red ball side back on track
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What's the TLDR on the Aussie's situation right now?
Player power > coach power.
If a coach rubs up the players the wrong way, players will threaten to quit the national side. Most of the Aussie big names would get millions playing franchise cricket.
Heck I’m sure plenty of them are IPL rich.
There’s some blow back from JL’s issues with Maxwell as well. Maxi is pretty popular in the setup. Finch and Maxwell are BFFs….
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Collingwood and Dawson will lead the team to the Windies apparently
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Collingwood confirmed as interim (already on the ECB books so the best value option 😂)
Squad to be announced tomorrow pm.
Lots of opportunities for first class runs between now and then.
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I think this is a good appointment in the short term. Hes done well with the 1 day squad before if memory serves me correctly. Would he be my choice on a full time basis...no.
I think Justin Langer is just what is needed to get the best out of some of the guys and I'd bring in Matthew Hayden to assist as well, two guys who have acheived everything in the game.
If we arent able to get these them you gotta go for Ricky Ponting, another hard nosed guy who tells it like it is.
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I'd take Ponting before Hayden or Langer, think he's got such a phenomenal brain for cricket.
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Personally I'd like Nasser Hussain as chief red ball coach. Trouble is that the ECB couldn't make it attractive enough to move from his current Sky Sports role.
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Collingwood is obviously on the payroll for the ECB but I’m pretty happy myself he is doing the Windies tour.
Sure there’s a lot of us who admired the way he battled at number 6 surrounded by some serious talent. I’ve no doubt our players have the talent maybe a bit of Collingwoods mentality will help Crawley, Hameed, Burns and maybe Lees if he tours.
Long term with the amount of travelling involved it could be a slightly more tricky appointment than it appears.
Will Langer really want to spend that amount of time away from home? Or anyone else for that matter.
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Collingwood confirmed as interim (already on the ECB books so the best value option 😂)
Squad to be announced tomorrow pm.
Lots of opportunities for first class runs between now and then.
Tom Westley looked really good on the bowling machine last Tuesday according to James Taylo.
Could be in line for a comeback lol
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It will be interesting to see where responsibility lies for selecting the squad for the Windies given it is am interim coaching staff in place. It seems to me that there are big decisions to make on the group of over 30s but they are ones best made by the permanent coach. The danger though is a wasted tour if the status quo is maintained
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You might be referring to an article saying Broad and Anderson both won’t tour, so we may go from not playing together to only one on a tour.
I’m not quite sure why this would be the case, perhaps Vaughan really does influence selection.
If they are fit and our best bowlers for the conditions then what difference does their age matter?
I like Ollie Robinson a lot but he was short of fitness and I’ve never ever read that before about the big two.
We just have to pick our best and get on with it
Anderson
Broad
Robinson
Wood
Woakes maybe.
Leach maybe
Mahmoud maybe
Bess….possible
Overton
Not a huge list to choose from
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@ppccopener I am pretty sure the current Eng set up ignore click bait Vaughan and, let's just say, don't think very highly of him.
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But the make up of the squad will be very interesting, and I for one would like to see a few fresh faces given the chance to sink or swim.
What more do we have to learn about Burns, Malan, Leach, Pope, Broad & Anderson in the same side?
I'm not suggesting they are the solution, but i;d like to see how the likes of Sibley 2.0, Bracey, Lawrence, Parkinson, Mahmood go, given the chance at 3 consecutive tests at least.
What time is the squad announced?
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Should be late this morning a few tipped by the media
Foakes recall
Joe Clarke
Alex Lees to open
Josh bohannan
Mahmoud
And Parkinson as the spin option
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@ppccopener I am pretty sure the current Eng set up ignore click bait Vaughan and, let's just say, don't think very highly of him.
Hi Buzz I’m curious-
Do you know some of these people personally.
You appear very well connected
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@golders - he's the dressing room attendant at The Oval, and he's also very nosey.
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@golders - he's the dressing room attendant at The Oval, and he's also very nosey.
Hahaha
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On Parkinson, the only way he is going to be a success at test cricket is if the Eng team have a skipper who understands spin bowling.
Morgan is the only one of those I can think of in living memory.
Our best spinners of the last x years have been Tuffers, Monty and Swann.
Tuffers and Monty must have been virtually impossible to captain.
Swann had levels of self confidence just to talk himself on to bowl and set the fields himself... Cook and Strauss largely left him to it.
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You might be referring to an article saying Broad and Anderson both won’t tour, so we may go from not playing together to only one on a tour.
I’m not quite sure why this would be the case, perhaps Vaughan really does influence selection.
If they are fit and our best bowlers for the conditions then what difference does their age matter?
I like Ollie Robinson a lot but he was short of fitness and I’ve never ever read that before about the big two.
We just have to pick our best and get on with it
Anderson
Broad
Robinson
Wood
Woakes maybe.
Leach maybe
Mahmoud maybe
Bess….possible
Overton
Not a huge list to choose from
I was thinking primarily about the batting group of Burns, Mallan and Butler who haven't managed to reach the level required despite a decent run of opportunities. Butler will miss out anyway due to injury but I would prefer to see the other two left out as well so that the rebuilding can start
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I was thinking primarily about the batting group of Burns, Mallan and Butler who haven't managed to reach the level required despite a decent run of opportunities. Butler will miss out anyway due to injury but I would prefer to see the other two left out as well so that the rebuilding can start
I think we are actually going to bring in some new batters.
Alex Lees tipped to come in and maybe Bohannon or Clarke.
Don’t know much about Bohannon.
Foakes recall I think is nailed on to be announced
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I think I am the only person who wants to see Billings get more of a go. I suspect Foakes will miss out and Bairstow and Billings will be the keeping options.
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I'd like Billings to get more of a go too. Bairstow seems to play better when focusing on one area, but he might be annoyed to not be the keeper...he seems to get upset easily with things like that. Shame Foakes missed his chance with injury last year, when he was actually in form
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I'd like Billings to get more of a go too. Bairstow seems to play better when focusing on one area, but he might be annoyed to not be the keeper...he seems to get upset easily with things like that. Shame Foakes missed his chance with injury last year, when he was actually in form
I think whatever they do with Bairstow they need to take a decision and stick with it - a lot of the issues that have affected him have been centered on him batting 6 one week, 3 the next and then getting the gloves for game three. Personally I'd bat him six with Foakes at seven, which is a tad hard on Billings but I think the right change.
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Yeah that's true about Bairstow. We've done that with other players too and it never seems to work, I think consistency definitely helps some players like him.
I'd quite like to see us try one of the current top 6 as an opener (e.g. Malan), rather than trying openers who apparently aren't good enough for this level.
That also means we can get an extra batter in without wasting the top 2 positions!
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Not convinced batting a middle order player up top is going to fix the issues with openers.
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Not convinced batting a middle order player up top is going to fix the issues with openers.
Agreed. I think the key at this stage now is deciding what players the management is going to move on with. There’s a lot of shame in losing the Ashes 0-4, but now there is a chance to try some new players out with the pressure off. However, that doesn’t mean pick players on potential. Bohannon absolutely deserves his chance. Libby should get a look, Yates, Lees etc. Strike a line through players like Hameed (for now) and see what the rest can offer.
I find it hard to believe we don’t have any test match quality in the system considering how much cricket we play as a country.
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I think right through the batting order they need to look for players with the technique and temperament to bat long, we've established that a lot of the current lot don't have that right now.
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If England do move on from some slightly older batters I’ve just looked up Josh Bohannon and he’s moved up the order to a number 3 spot. Joe Clarke is usually a 4 for Notts I believe.
Bohannon and Lees are being tipped for no 2 and 3- I think England are going to pick those two for the top order.
Root Stokes Bairstow and then the keeper may be the way we go.
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Bohannon over Malan is a smart pick IMO, seems to have something about him and he's the right type of player from all that's been written about him.
Lees is well worth a look too, record at Durham is good on a difficult home track and he's a bit more experienced and comfortable with his game which you feel is something that Hameed was sorely missing.
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Looks as if Broad and Anderson will be getting a few weeks off ahead of the start of the county season...
Also Malan is getting the chance to show he is the best t20 batsman in the world in the IPL rather than the Windies
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Not taking at least one of Anderson or Broad in a country that uses the Dukes ball just seems foolish
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Not taking at least one of Anderson or Broad in a country that uses the Dukes ball just seems foolish
especially given they looked our best two bowlers in Australia. I get that one has to miss out of the XI for most games and that is good. But neither?
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Big call made on Broad and Anderson, one maybe left behind but both?
Or are they rested for this summer….
Hard to know but I think there may be more to it. Neither played much of a role in Oz on pitches you would of thought they were automatic picks
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Squad has been announced.
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Congratulations to Matthew Fisher & Alex Lees! Good to see Ben Foakes back as well.
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Wow, that is a crazy squad!!!
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It is indeed
Can’t see a natural number three thou with Burns and Hameed left out
Pope is a bit lucky to make the cut, maybe they think him or Lawrence can bat 3
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What’s the actual obsession with Ollie Pope? He looks mediocre at best.
And Anderson/Broad getting axed is no surprise after they called your terrible batting in the Ashes. As JL found out, honesty gets you sacked.
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Wow, that's... Interesting.
Happy for Fisher, he is a class act, though everyone thought, possibly quite reasonably, that I was mad when I mooted a call up during the Ashes.
Amazed that Woakes survives. And really unclear who is going to bat three here.
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Joe Root is batting at 3 again. You Poms…he’s just had the year of his life at 4…
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He was usually coming in with only about 20 on the board anyway. Would batting no.3 really be so different?
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Quite adventurous with the bowling, wish they'd applied as much to the batting options though.
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To save anyone the bother of searching, see below.
England Men's selection panel, consisting of Sir Andrew Strauss (interim managing director of England Men's Cricket), interim head coach Paul Collingwood and head scout James Taylor, have named a 16-strong squad for the three-match Test tour of the Caribbean starting next month.
England Men's Test squad:
Joe Root (Yorkshire) captain
Jonathan Bairstow (Yorkshire)
Zak Crawley (Kent)
Matthew Fisher (Yorkshire)
Ben Foakes (Surrey)
Dan Lawrence (Essex)
Jack Leach (Somerset)
Alex Lees (Durham)
Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
Craig Overton (Somerset)
Matthew Parkinson (Lancashire)
Ollie Pope (Surrey)
Ollie Robinson (Sussex)
Ben Stokes (Durham)
Chris Woakes (Warwickshire)
Mark Wood (Durham)
Durham opener Alex Lees and Yorkshire seamer Matthew Fisher are called-up for the first time.
Lees, 28, captained the Lions squad in Australia and has shown great potential in the LV= Insurance County Championship over the past few years with Durham and previously Yorkshire. He scored 625 runs in last year's Championship campaign, with a highest score of 129.
The 24-year-old Fisher took 20 wickets for Yorkshire last season at an average of 19.65 from County Championship matches. His control with the ball has impressed the England set-up for some time, and he was a stand-out performer for the Lions during the winter programme.
Alongside the new additions to the squad, the Lancashire duo of Saqib Mahmood and Matthew Parkinson will be aiming to make their Test debut in the Caribbean having featured in previous squads.
Surrey wicketkeeper Ben Foakes returns to the squad for the first time in under a year when he played the fourth Test in Ahmedabad last March against India.
Eight players – James Anderson, Dom Bess, Sam Billings, Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler, Haseeb Hameed and Dawid Malan - who featured in the recent Ashes series, have missed out on selection.
Interim Managing Director for England Men's Cricket, Sir Andrew Strauss, said:
"With the start of a new cycle, it has allowed the selection panel to refresh the Test squad with a particular focus on competing away from home.
"We felt that it was time to draw a line after the Ashes defeat, look forward and give some impetus with an influx of new players.
"In respect of James Anderson and Stuart Broad, I want to emphasise this does not mean the end for them as England players. We feel that it is important to look at some exciting new bowling potential and give some added responsibility to other players who have featured previously. No one doubts the quality and experience that James and Stuart bring to the England set-up. It will be up to the new managing director and permanent head coach to decide on whether they will be involved this summer and beyond.
"This selection of this squad is the start of a process and a journey to get England Test cricket back to where it needs to be, and the hard work starts now."
The three-match Test series forms part of the ICC World Test Championship. Joe Root's team will be looking to climb the rankings after a disappointing start to the second edition of the Championship. At the end of the two-year cycle, the top two teams will compete in the ICC World Test Championship Final due to be staged in 2023.
The touring party departs the UK on Thursday 24 February.
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I think they are going to give Pope a last chance and bat him 3.
They will leave Bairstow at 6
Bohannon must of been close to being picked
Pope needs a good tour I feel, massive talent, not even close to being fullfilled
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"Surrey wicketkeeper Ben Foakes returns to the squad for the first time in under a year..."
Strange wording! I guess they've got bigger thing to be worrying about?
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Bohannon and Yates are the two uncapped batsmen I would have taken in this tour and have batted in the top three.
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Wonder if Bohannon wasn't selected due to this - https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/alex-davies-banned-and-fined-over-historic-offensive-tweets-1300322 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/alex-davies-banned-and-fined-over-historic-offensive-tweets-1300322)
Although not banned and fined like Davies, they probably didn't want to risk any negative PR. Classic ECB releasing this on the squad selection day so it gets swept under the carpet ...
"The Lancashire Telegraph reported in June that Davies, Liam Hurt, Luke Wells, Josh Bohannon and Richard Gleeson were under investigation, following the emergence of Ollie Robinson's historic tweets during his England Test debut. The players were handed formal warnings by the club."
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Maybe Woakes will bat at 3?
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I find the balance make up of the squad really strange (even before you talk about who is in it), surely they are a batsman light.
There are only 2 genuine openers - Crawley & Lees
No one who bats 3 normally or even any other top order batters.
Then Root, Stokes, Pope, Lawrence, Bairstow in the middle order. Plus Foakes.
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Really hope Billings isn’t a one test only player, personally feel he would bring a lot to our side and could if he took to test cricket been a good shout to be a potential replacement in captain terms for Root.
As for the squad it’s a bit left field but that’s by and large what we have benne asking for an and good to see a bit of a clear out of those that have had a chance and maybe age isn’t on there side for a couple. Pope is a funny one and you can only guess it’s last chance saloon for him given the talent he shows on county cricket vs the maniac batting on a hot tin roof style we have seen to often in his test career so far. Be it at 3 or in middle order he needs to score runs and also show self control and temperament to bat long
Fisher was spoken very highly of when he burst on the scene as a teenager and I believe has a yard or two of pace which if he has control as well is a winning formula. Parkinson must be given the series and supported, he must know how to set his own field as Root has proven he isn’t great at supporting his spinners recently.
Let’s see what happens
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With Fisher, I'd say he is quick enough, especially allied to alarming bounce.
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There always are some disgruntled England fans now mentioning Broad and Anderson might not be the best in the dressing room.
I’m surprised both have been left out, perhaps one to look at a Fisher or Mahmood…
I wonder if there is anything in it and Strauss has given Root space to skipper without them.
But if you look at most wickets in the last 9 years it’s either been Anderson or Broad.
I think there is a bit more to it, Strauss might be testing Root out by taking out two senior pros
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Wonder if Bohannon wasn't selected due to this - https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/alex-davies-banned-and-fined-over-historic-offensive-tweets-1300322 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/alex-davies-banned-and-fined-over-historic-offensive-tweets-1300322)
Although not banned and fined like Davies, they probably didn't want to risk any negative PR. Classic ECB releasing this on the squad selection day so it gets swept under the carpet ...
"The Lancashire Telegraph reported in June that Davies, Liam Hurt, Luke Wells, Josh Bohannon and Richard Gleeson were under investigation, following the emergence of Ollie Robinson's historic tweets during his England Test debut. The players were handed formal warnings by the club."
If that were a factor, I don't see that he would have gone with the Lions squad to Australia
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Even the most cantankerous CBF member wouldn't have picked a squad that deranged. :o
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To be honest I'm really surprised that the media are picking up and running with the Anderson/Broad...is it the end narrative? To me, that's a well known constant which performs, give them some downtime and allow for some experimentation, which is what Straus has done. My concern lies with Stokes, I think he should have been given time to recover further, as Stokes performing at 50% is just wasting a spot. With this current situation, it's a great opportunity be a little experimental with the team and assess new talent, without tainting a newly appointed head coach.
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If that were a factor, I don't see that he would have gone with the Lions squad to Australia
Shame - Was hoping Josh Bohannon would make the squad. Think he is a very good player.
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Hard to say if Malan and Burns are now dumped pretty much for good, Bohannon seems to of worked his way up to 3 for Lancs and we don’t have a natural 3 in the squad-agree with others we are a batsman short.
I think England are going to bat Pope at 3, massive talent but I think myself he should be lower down.
I’d like us to go back in selection at look at who is the most suitable temperament wise to bat there. I hope I’m wrong but don’t see Pope as the answer there.
I think Bohannon is on the radar and must of been close to the squad.
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Bat Woakes at 3, and get hime to take over Stoke's role as 4th seamer.
Bat Stokes at 5 and tell him that currently he's a batter only and to focus on that
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Has anyone else tried to shoehorn this squad into a sensible team?
Because I am finding it very hard.
Crawley
Lees
??? (Pope/Laurence)
Rooooooooot
??? (Pope or Laurence)
Stokes
Bairstow (don't @ me, we all know he will keep ahead of Foakes)
Woakes/Mahmood
Robinson
Wood/Fisher
Parkinson or Leech
Plus Foakes and then Overton who looks destined to always keep the bench warm.
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Strauss has declared Root is batting three according to Dobell.
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Strauss has declared Root is batting three according to Dobell.
Good to see they're following the statistics... 🤦♂️
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Strauss has declared Root is batting three according to Dobell.
Wow…
Well….two seniors bowlers out, Root to 3 there’s certainly some changes about.
Think we can safely say Strauss is putting a stamp on the team, if only temporarily
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Really hope Malan’s exclusion has been brought on by himself and his new baby. A real shame for him to miss out if not in my opinion.
Editing as just seen he’s in the IPL auction, suppose it would be an extra month but still bit disappointing.
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From the squad available I'd go with -
Crawley
Lees
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Lawrence
Foakes
Wood
Robinson
Mahmood
Parkinson
Ideally i wouldn't have Bairstow at 3, I'd have him lower but don't think you can expect Lawrence to bat there and Pope just hasn't shown enough, not just in runs but also temperament. That means Foakes gets the gloves.
Woakes is terrible on tours, so would give Mahmood a go. Wood and Robinson did well in Oz mainly. Parkinson because i think he deserves a go ahead don't think Leach is the answer
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Root has requested to bat at 3.
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Strauss has told him to I reckon. Mixed feelings about this. I think the Captain should lead from the front especially with a younger batting side.
You cannot argue with the numbers at 4 thou. It’s a bold or mad move not sure which. I think there is some friction with Broad and Anderson myself so Root has his wish for the Windies but it’s got strings attached.
If Bairstow says 6 it’s a toss up for one more chance for Pope or Lawrence. I suppose Stokes could bat 4 leaving the 5 slot for a younger player.
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Joe Clarke in the reserves for the series, that's an 'interesting' call...
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Root has requested to bat at 3.
Very interesting, can only think that he's fed up of the second wicket falling way too early so he would rather bolster the batting as early as possible?
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Joe Clarke in the reserves for the series, that's an 'interesting' call...
He’s good Jimbo. A lot of talent. With just Lees being a specialist opener for the tour, Crawley may or may not be a genuine opener I think Bohannon at 3 for Lancs would of been a better choice thou.
I suspect Pope has one last tour to payback some investment
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He’s good Jimbo. A lot of talent. With just Lees being a specialist opener for the tour, Crawley may or may not be a genuine opener I think Bohannon at 3 for Lancs would of been a better choice thou.
I suspect Pope has one last tour to payback some investment
Not so much Clarke's talent I'd question, still a bit dubious that he has seemingly never sincerely apologised for his part in the WhatsApp messages and subsequent court case.
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I had the pleaseure to umpie Lees a few times, he is quality but at the time made a mistake here or there. He seems to have eradicated this these days
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With Root batting 3 I would go for the 1st test -
Crawley
Lees
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence/Pope
Foakes
Robinson
Wood
Mahmood
Parkinson
Torn between Pope and Lawrence, as Lawrence really should get a game now but if Pope is going to tour then it should really be his last chance saloon.
I want Foakes to keep so they can't both play.
As for the bowling I really think we need to find out if Parkinson has got enough at test level. Then Wood, Robinson and Mahmood, I think is a bit of variety out of what they are taking.
It's a fairly long tail with Robinson at 8 but we can't keep picking Woakes just so he can bat at 8 when his bowling isn't great away from home.
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I think that is how we will line up probably with Pope getting first chance, maybe last to make a decent score.
Strauss has confirmed Foakes is now first choice keeper and will be given a run
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Not so much Clarke's talent I'd question, still a bit dubious that he has seemingly never sincerely apologised for his part in the WhatsApp messages and subsequent court case.
He has apologised and was not involved in that court case as a defendant. Whether his apology is sincere or not I don’t know.
Distasteful yes and he has sailed a bit close to the law but it’s subjective I grant you and all views are valid.
I just think sports stars are just like us, they make mistakes.
I happen to be a fan of Anthony Joshua, who has a drugs conviction. And Mike Tyson who has a rap list to keep the lawyers in business.
And we know Stokes was lucky to get off an affray charge against the odds.
Clarke has not been charged with anything, it’s been close your right.
If he keeps away from trouble he will be on the radar..I think.
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Strauss has told him to I reckon. Mixed feelings about this. I think the Captain should lead from the front especially with a younger batting side.
You cannot argue with the numbers at 4 thou. It’s a bold or mad move not sure which. I think there is some friction with Broad and Anderson myself so Root has his wish for the Windies but it’s got strings attached.
If Bairstow says 6 it’s a toss up for one more chance for Pope or Lawrence. I suppose Stokes could bat 4 leaving the 5 slot for a younger player.
Root averages 41 opening (only for one series really), nobody has got close to that since the Strauss era and I know that it's not the best to have Root opening, but I would be interested to see him take that step back up. England need a ball muncher who can go on and get those big scores again, like Trott. Someone the team can bat around. One of those either opening or 3 and it can look a whole different ball game. Maybe Root could try to do that for a series.
Root 3 and Stokes 4 just feels everyone is in a bit too early.
I'm excited to see Foakes play and a top quality keeper could make a big difference in the bowling too, as they have more input.
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With Root batting 3 I would go for the 1st test -
Crawley
Lees
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence/Pope
Foakes
Robinson
Wood
Mahmood
Parkinson
Need a one more bowler, unless Stokes is going to bowl. Based on what I saw in Ashes Robinson is not fit. I think Wood will be used in short burst.
I am kind of surprised that Billings is not in the squad. I thought he would have been an extra batter, back up keeper.
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I would like to see Foakes given a proper batting spot, say number 6 and although he probably didn’t, I enjoyed Bairstow batting with the tail a lot.
Crawley
Lees
Root
Pope
Stokes
Foakes
Bairstow
Robinson
Wood
Mahmoud
Parkinson
Or something like that
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Bairstow and Foakes together is quite appealing, would keep JB at 6 even if only to give Foakes longer to rest after keeping.
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I think Bairstow will stay at 6 too, Foakes moves into the traditional 7 for a keeper.
I’m not Bairstows biggest fan but he has been messed about up and down the order recently. We only got one ton in Australia and it was him so leave him there.
I guess some of us who believe a specialist keeper who happens to be a very good bat as well, lifts the bowling side will be proved right or wrong.Strauss says Foakes will get a good run.
Pope or Lawrence at 5 or 4 is an interesting call. I think Pope needs a hundred in one of the matches.
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With Root batting 3 I would go for the 1st test -
Crawley
Lees
Root
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence/Pope
Foakes
Robinson
Wood
Mahmood
Parkinson
I dont see Wood and Mahmood in the same side. Both can bee a bit expensive and with Stoke too you could be going and 4 1/2 and over quite easily
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60364451 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/60364451)
Seen this article in a couple of places now - don;t know how I feel about this really.
I've long felt, without the benefit of statistics, that Broad and Anderson, whilst being greats, do not take enough wickets at the start of an innings, certainly not in the last few years. However, if played together will always open the bowling, relegating potential strike options such as Wood to 1st change.
Too often I've felt they prefer to bowl 'dry' and keep it tight instead of hunting for wickets. Broad in particular seems to bowl a back of a length that won't hit the stumps and rarely gets an LBW.
I appreciate with Archer, Stone not available and other quick options as yet untried we're limited, but i really want to see us knock a few over early, and give the quickest use of the ball at it's most optimal. At times it feels like both Anderson and Broad could be used as stock bowlers.
I'm sure may would disagree, however it feels like even if the quicker options were available, they still wouldn't get to open.
I am conflicted though, because in the same breath i think I would have taken one of them on tour - I just feel that moving forward we shouldn't pick both of them at the same time and look to bring on 2 or 3 younger options. Robinson has picked up many wickets and is young and seemingly confident, but would we find the next Robinson if these two keep getting picked?
It's a toughy.
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I suspect that there's been a 'dressing-room thing', that we'll not know about until much later.
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Agree with a lot of what the legend @FattusCattus has posted. I would of taken one of them on tour and going forward maybe both do not play together. Stats can be used either way but I did see one that shows in the last 9 years B and A have taken the most wickets in every year.
Watching them bowl I do not see they are deteriorating, in fact they look as good now as 5 years ago.
But we do need to find replacements and the ones tried are out injured. I’m a big fan of Woakes but away from home there is no way he is better than Broad or Anderson, so we have not picked our best side for this tour.
Robinson is an interesting one, lacking the conditioning needed at the moment, if he played with either of the other two at 39 and 35 would it motivate him to get to the level needed??
Personally I think Root has a problem skippering them and Strauss has given him what he wanted-that’s just my view.
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I think two, three years ago there was a good argument as made by Bruce above that Broad especially was more interested in his economy rate than in taking wickets, but when he has played in the last 12 months he has looked to be fitter and more attacking than previously. Anderson is a different animal - when you move the ball as much as he does I expect it is a nightmare to work out how full you have to get it not to look like you are just showing off!
Bottom line, one but not both unless it is a must win game on a green top.
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The challenge with both players, regardless how good they have been is that they haven't played that much cricket in the last 18 months. Plus Anderson has become a little injury prone.
Plus both have frequently been poor on the first morning of a game and Anderson has barely taken a wicket in the second innings during the last 18 months.
Personally I would have taken Broad to the Windies, but am not that bothered. It is better for both to get overs in the county game and have a send off in the summer.
Either way it is all nonsense when we are constantly 20-3.
Plus Root at 3 has been done and it doesn't work.
So the issues you need to solve remain systemic.
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Root wants bat on ball early in his innings, and is too busy at the crease. Root isn’t a number three in my book. He is our best bat and was doing ok at 4. Woakes looks more like a 3 than Root. Stokes back at 6 and tell home to stop batting like a proper batter.
I would be looking at Tom Abell as skipper. Can’t be worse than Root!
Crawley
Lees
Pope
Root
Abell (C) (Bairstow until he comes in)
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Parkinson
Fischer
12th Mahmood
Test Coach: Gary Kirsten
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"Stop batting like a proper batter." :o
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I would be looking at Tom Abell as skipper. Can’t be worse than Root!
I wouldn't say it was the worst idea I've ever heard...but its up there. I mean, aside from the fact that he has hardly scored a run in 18 months, and that Somerset were terrible under his leadership last season, he's a great bet.
Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but have to call it how it is. If Root were stood down - and I hope he will be, to concentrate on setting batting records - then the right call would be Stokes, with arrangements made to reduce his bowling workload back down toward zero. If hypothetically we were looking out into the county game, Lees is in the squad and has experience, Vince must be closer to a recall than Abell to a call up. Hell, Ben Foakes has some captaincy experience if it comes to it!
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I can remember England teams with less talent than the current set up but I can't really remember a team when there was no little leadership. I don't think anyone would disagree with the view that Root isn't a good captain but the biggest argument for him staying in a key role is that there is no clear alternative.
It is probably indicative of a side that loses games generally not by being comprehensively outplayed but by losing the key passages within games that there is little obvious leadership
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"Stop batting like a proper batter." :o
Haha came out wrong but I think Stokes has changed his game too much
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I wouldn't say it was the worst idea I've ever heard...but its up there. I mean, aside from the fact that he has hardly scored a run in 18 months, and that Somerset were terrible under his leadership last season, he's a great bet.
Sorry, don't mean to be harsh but have to call it how it is. If Root were stood down - and I hope he will be, to concentrate on setting batting records - then the right call would be Stokes, with arrangements made to reduce his bowling workload back down toward zero. If hypothetically we were looking out into the county game, Lees is in the squad and has experience, Vince must be closer to a recall than Abell to a call up. Hell, Ben Foakes has some captaincy experience if it comes to it!
So you would keep Root as captain?
Great shout on Foakes- sod Abell, you’ve convinced me.
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I can remember England teams with less talent than the current set up but I can't really remember a team when there was no little leadership. I don't think anyone would disagree with the view that Root isn't a good captain but the biggest argument for him staying in a key role is that there is no clear alternative.
It is probably indicative of a side that loses games generally not by being comprehensively outplayed but by losing the key passages within games that there is little obvious leadership
Yes and Root needs Buttler by his side and Stokes. It might explain why Buttler was given lots of chances to stay in the team.
But he has gone now and until a couple of months ago Burns and even Broad might be possibles but again…that’s dumped. I don’t see Burns getting another cap.
It’s why I think we need an experienced coach so they can help Root. Someone like Kirsten or Alec Stewart. Or a Langer.
I think myself it’s vital we get a decent coach in to help and challenge the team, and a separate selection chief because we have just seen Silverwood not work trying to do too many jobs.