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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Thamesvalley on October 07, 2022, 04:52:50 PM
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A video just popped up on my social media
Surprised to see how open pcb are with their footage
Babar saying not happy with his bats to Kane lol
This could be a hot topic …
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The chat is quite funny
Kane trying to talk with Kane about bats
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Thanks for sharing this. I found the video. Azam is going to see Kranzbuhler! Good man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko15WB7YL1o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko15WB7YL1o)
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Loved him talking about what he wants . We hardly ever see that it’s often What we think they like
One of the top 5 best batsman not happy with what he’s getting so far
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Hi All,
Just a quick note from the chap who has made all his bats since joining GN. We work very closely with Babar and are very aware of what his ultimate bat shape is.
His bats have clearly all been good enough to use thus far and he certainly doesn't seem to be suffering.
It's very easy for any player to say what they want, it's extremely hard to deliver that over and over and that is down to one thing and that is wood. To meet Babars exact requirements I would need a batch of timber available to me that we all would dream of. His specifications lend themselves to bats that are 2.12 and not 2.8 &1/2, so there has to be some give and take.
We had.his specs from his HS bats (both Pakistani and Keeley made) neither of them were close to a Standard adult SH setup, and when this was discussed he was not aware.
I am not prepared to give pros Harrow sized bats dressed up as SH unless they specifically request this.
Seeing as most people on here are prepared to attack my work rather than talk to me about it I'll take myself away from here now.
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I honestly don’t think Babar was attacking you
Or saying anything bad
He just wants something more suited to him
It’s all Gn at the end of the day if he goes to aus Gn or you
Plus to be fair he’s been doing very well with what you supplied
But interesting he was using Harrow size width before
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Small minority @thebigginge - had my fair share of bats made by yourself, and I wouldn't have so many if I wasn't impressed or happy with the work. I'm sorry that your credentials have been questioned/speculation about the quality. Listening to the interview, it seemed like the things he brought up were purely stylistic, like the practical design implemented to make the bat pick up better not being his preference (duckbilling I believe?) rather than the performance/playability.
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I honestly don’t think Babar was attacking you
Or saying anything bad
He just wants something more suited to him
It’s all Gn at the end of the day if he goes to aus Gn or you
Plus to be fair he’s been doing very well with what you supplied
But interesting he was using Harrow size width before
I don't think he was talking about Babar.
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Who cares what small timers say on here ..
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My take wasn’t the pick up
It’s al ready 2.8
He was suggesting a better bat flow and less high spine
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If the bats are good enough to score a T20 ton with then they must be pretty handy, regardless of what any player has to say!
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This would be a shame mate. Personally i feel the forum would benefit from more batmakers such as yourself positing about the realities of batmaking. As you say, there are tricks used to hit 'specs', not all obviously apparent and the more this is highlighted, the more expectations will be lowered, maybe?!
I think any batmaker would say the same. The constant fight to make bats big and light, yet not compromising the product by over drying, narrowing, using cheap/light handles etc, is the constant struggle.
I had a conversation on social media about this recently with a retailer, after seeing a post sbout an SG bat measuring 102mm in width. He was saying they're just trying to cater for the demand, so nothing wrong with it as companies need to make money and it's what people are demanding, 40mm edges, 67mm spine, no concaving etc. So the more this is requested, the more companies will and should use any means to deliver it. Whether it's ultimately good for the customer and product or not it seems. I'm just not sure where this will lead to before people are willing to accept that not every bat can be huge at 2lbs 9oz and trying to get them there, is actually detrimental to the end product.
You'll know more about making bats than most, so wouldn't take what anyone on the forum says to heart.
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Wonder if Babar comes on cbf to read posts, you never know . He does love his bats
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From the video it seems like babar just talking about small tweaks - not a criticism of GN by any means
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Wouldn't most of us have assumed he'd carry on getting bats off TK?
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Don’t think Gn allows it
More strict than any other company ..
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How would they know?
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How would they know?
You seen this thread?
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=49962.msg795527#msg795527 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=49962.msg795527#msg795527)
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Yes, and am aware of the Bairstow episode before. Keeley bats don't have edge stamps?
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Yes, and am aware of the Bairstow episode before. Keeley bats don't have edge stamps?
No but there maybe the outline from a 50 pence piece :D
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GN will be able to take from the hi res pics and video these days unless it’s an exact copy
Babar clearly doesn’t want to do that and wants to use Gn but a bat he likes to his personal preferences
Being the top player he is, he knows what’s right for his game and maybe he could feel even more comfortable than he already is , that’s a scary thought
Saying the above is no reflection on what he’s supplied already
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The Aus GN's have a very different shape though with more smoother finishing. I bet a heap of players would prefer the UK shape over the Aus shape too, thats why so many of them swap bats when they play in these T20 leagues.
I agree with everyone on here. Babar was just saying a couple of minor tweaks for his perfect bat to another GN player. These conversations go on all the time just not in front of a camera. It's good to hear feedback even if it's not always rainbows. This is how we improve.
Personally, I prefer your shapes over the Aus one. It seems to pick up better.
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Interesting. Personally, I love a Harrow but it does make a lot of sense. If you want a bat that weighs 2'8, why not put all the beef where you want to hit 90% of your shots and reduce the width a bit? Seems logical to me.
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Interesting. Personally, I love a Harrow but it does make a lot of sense. If you want a bat that weighs 2'8, why not put all the beef where you want to hit 90% of your shots and reduce the width a bit? Seems logical to me.
Suppose it depends on whether the customer knows they're buying a bat made to Harrow dimensions really
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Hi All,
Just a quick note from the chap who has made all his bats since joining GN. We work very closely with Babar and are very aware of what his ultimate bat shape is.
His bats have clearly all been good enough to use thus far and he certainly doesn't seem to be suffering.
It's very easy for any player to say what they want, it's extremely hard to deliver that over and over and that is down to one thing and that is wood. To meet Babars exact requirements I would need a batch of timber available to me that we all would dream of. His specifications lend themselves to bats that are 2.12 and not 2.8 &1/2, so there has to be some give and take.
We had.his specs from his HS bats (both Pakistani and Keeley made) neither of them were close to a Standard adult SH setup, and when this was discussed he was not aware.
I am not prepared to give pros Harrow sized bats dressed up as SH unless they specifically request this.
Seeing as most people on here are prepared to attack my work rather than talk to me about it I'll take myself away from here now.
100% agree
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Reviewing the paragraphs
If Babar was not receiving the size of wood before and now he is
Has his expectations become unrealistic ?
He was using Harrow bats before not overly huge
The bats he uses now do look massive so could it be his expectations have become
So huge .
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Why did the Big Ginge not tell Babar that size doesn't matter? I thought that was the GN line on these things?
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Interesting. Personally, I love a Harrow but it does make a lot of sense. If you want a bat that weighs 2'8, why not put all the beef where you want to hit 90% of your shots and reduce the width a bit? Seems logical to me.
Because reducing the width would take away the part I hit most of my shots with
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Seeing as most people on here are prepared to attack my work rather than talk to me about it I'll take myself away from here now.
Very fair post but surprised by this part, not sure I've ever seen anyone take shots at UK made GN on here! Certainly would be a minority if someone did.
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Read somewhere that Phil Salt wasn't too happy with his GN bats either and had atleast a couple of SS stickered up as GN
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There is a video somehere where salt is asking Shan are you happy with your bats or something to that affect
Again it could be just he got a better deal from SS after Gn discussed letting him go ? Unless his deal had come to an end anyway
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Very fair post but surprised by this part, not sure I've ever seen anyone take shots at UK made GN on here! Certainly would be a minority if someone did.
And then the very next comment...
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Which one …
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Erm, the very next one 😆 It wasn't directly bashing GN, but kind of was indirectly.
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The next post was mine
And there was no Indirect bashing going on ..
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Think you may have missed someone's comment mate
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Interesting pic on pcb social media today of Barbars bat it’s huge and massive spine
Can anyone put the pic on here
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fe7SEhdXgAIwbOP?format=jpg&name=medium)
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Just a hunch, but I'm guessing it fits through the gauge. @thebigginge could probably tell you? 🤦♂️
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Nice bat that , but it makes sense more sense what he was apprently saying to Kane now
He seemed to suggest less spine more shape below slightly
But what an amazing bat, low density gun
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Seems he's moved sponsor. @Neon Cricket when's the big announcement? ;)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTGkDSNK/Untitled.png)
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I don’t remember any of his bats with his previous suppliers being that large
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Not being funny, but how can you tell? It obviously has to fit through the gauge, so there are limitations. It doesn't look the biggest bat over seen a pro use, but so hard to tell just off a picture.
Not that it really makes much difference imo
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Without seeing both live it’s hard to make an accurate judgement agree
However binge Gn did say the bats would normally be 2.12 and he’s getting 2.8 so larger than than normal but may not be the biggest a pro has ever had
Maybe he doesn’t want massive bats who knows… will have to find pics when he was with HS and Keeley
Good for discussion but in reality doesn’t affect us
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Now you've confused me (admittidley not that hard to do! 😆). I took it to be that you were originally talking big in terms of size, rather than weight? It's possible a bat at 2lbs 8oz can be as big as a bat at 2lbs 12oz.
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Seems he's moved sponsor. @Neon Cricket when's the big announcement? ;)
(https://i.postimg.cc/xTGkDSNK/Untitled.png)
Not sure that'd pass the MCC label regs! :D
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New pics have emerged of Babar and Rizwan with new bats now they are in Melbourne
They seem visually at least to be more flowing profiles and Babar is looking at bat and like a kid
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You can check them on insta ….
Or the ones that know how put them on here
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Are you talking about the video on GN Auz Instagram?
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These ones I imagine from the PCB socials.
(https://scontent.ffab1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/312529816_8385144448225480_2044532676970876896_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=iInctV-lCTEAX9hYwpm&_nc_ht=scontent.ffab1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_GMtXmoTRrEFWSV7_8i37HIk8LCfZDSrhciWQ6aFGB3Q&oe=6357207C)
(https://scontent.ffab1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/312452413_8385144444892147_6923361515506408936_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=aJQPT2jC_QUAX9F0qRm&_nc_oc=AQlUY17Oj_N6lAcbeOqSsiXLwvD4Jk58OLh7eYt_gI5TFMTHs-52AkjMgs5cy1YrYks&_nc_ht=scontent.ffab1-1.fna&oh=00_AT_C9y6yN6KgffB1nk7Yxd52eXQis-r1lCdMFVfvQM5oyA&oe=6357E750)
(https://scontent.ffab1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/312463178_8385144441558814_3298656710657570459_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=kEzFWuzuaVgAX82-dnJ&_nc_ht=scontent.ffab1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-HgBISUDk-V52qYB2mC17kMvB3Atp3YzaIJ3mn11j68Q&oe=6356F96F)
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You can clearly see what he was telling Kane has been reflected in the shape now
Possibly one of the most stunning shapes profiles I have seen
How difficult it easy is it to make something similar Johnny ?
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You can clearly see what he was telling Kane has been reflected in the shape now
Possibly one of the most stunning shapes profiles I have seen
How difficult it easy is it to make something similar Johnny ?
Not sure I'm seeing what you're seeing from those pictures mate 😆 Can't really see the profiles that well, so difficult to say. When making copies, always better to have the bat to work from. If it's just a few basic pictures, its obviously more difficult.
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There is a clear difference from the pic on previous page to this one
Along with what he told kane
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Are you talking edge profile? Find it hard to see obvious profile differences based on those pics personally. Different angles, no real idea of spine, swell etc compared to the clearer pic on page 3. But fair enough mate, all opinions at the end of the day
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Imagine especially Babar will want to use them asap so we will see more pics but will be harder to see with stickers covering them in next 2 weeks
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You can clearly see what he was telling Kane has been reflected in the shape now
Possibly one of the most stunning shapes profiles I have seen
How difficult it easy is it to make something similar Johnny ?
Can you post a link to the videos? Thanks.
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Starting to look like Babar should have stuck with his old UK GNs :D
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Starting to look like Babar should have stuck with his old UK GNs :D
Indeed, seems like bat shapes have got into his head.
Can you post a link to the videos? Thanks.
1) https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj9lb60A6Bt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cj9lb60A6Bt/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link)
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2) https://youtu.be/_g1IY-nvEuY (https://youtu.be/_g1IY-nvEuY)
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Starting to look like Babar should have stuck with his old UK GNs :D
What are you talking about? They're the most stunning shapes that our eyes have ever laid on. :D
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Looks like Gn Uk are sending out a Babar Azam bat to try .. they are not showing the shape just the grains .. from the uk insta account ..
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Just saw that, nice grains but I wish they showed the profile haha
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Yes the profile would have been revealing considering he’s been using a very different profile
At the World Cup
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If only we had a batmaker from GN on the forum to show the profile! 🤔
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Shoukd come back as babar obviously wanted a bat from him
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Well, you pretty much put pay to that not happening, didn't you...
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What are you talking about alvaro ?
What did I say that offended Gn head bat maker ?
What total nonsense
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Saw that shran masood is using 5 string bat stickered up with GN stickers in the tests. Prob using a CA or MB malik bat.
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Saw that shran masood is using 5 string bat stickered up with GN stickers in the tests. Prob using a CA or MB malik bat.
https://www.instagram.com/p/ClGwpvBogRl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/ClGwpvBogRl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
GN have started using 5 spring handles as well. I believe GN Aus introduced it first in the Cobra model from last year - I believe the thinking is that you have a more flexible handle coupled with thicker shoulders to try offset the amount of mass they have higher up yhe blade to balance for the lower middle. That way the bat won't feel too stiff
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Interesting to see 5 spring handles...
After CA and 5 spring handles got grief...
Waiting to see the praise for 5 spring handles now...
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https://www.instagram.com/p/ClGwpvBogRl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= (https://www.instagram.com/p/ClGwpvBogRl/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
GN have started using 5 spring handles as well. I believe GN Aus introduced it first in the Cobra model from last year - I believe the thinking is that you have a more flexible handle coupled with thicker shoulders to try offset the amount of mass they have higher up yhe blade to balance for the lower middle. That way the bat won't feel too stiff
Interesting. Didnt know that GN did this to their bats now. Looks like CA were ahead of the game. Would be good to hear reviews from those who have used these handles.
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Personally not a fan of anything that makes handles more flexible. But hey, people buy it so why not!
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In my opinion too stiff a handle and you risk shoulder splits (assuming thin shoulders).
Need a good balance.
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In my opinion too stiff a handle and you risk shoulder splits (assuming thin shoulders).
Need a good balance.
I think SK explained it in one of @mycricketgear 's videos
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Please share link, if at all possible.
From a maximum return of energy to the ball perspective, the stiffer the better, but harder feel in the hands and susceptible to splits.
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It’s in my cobra review video
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In my opinion too stiff a handle and you risk shoulder splits (assuming thin shoulders).
Need a good balance.
I would argue the complete opposite tbh, I very frequently have rehandles in that are 5 spring or 12 pc handles (the whippiest handles currently on the market) although admittedly the handles were of poor quality, thin, and the shoulders were also thin, so I guess it's a combination of factors!
My main reasoning for thinking the opposite though is that flex above the splice causes torsion forces on the joint, which is why I would always try to mitigate this.
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Getting very off topic again, but you reckon 12 piece are more flexible?
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Getting very off topic again, but you reckon 12 piece are more flexible?
Generally, I find them to be more flexible due to having more joins within the handle and thinner bits of cane too. Also an issue with them nowadays as the cane is getting worse and worse in quality so the thinner cuts, combined with more joins mean you have to be careful with 12pc unless you have a reputable brand/supplier.
Jpgavan did a video on it a while back, had some good content in it.
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Just wondered if there would be more flex in a single strip of cane, than in 2 (or 3) glued to each other.
More factors than just that in play as you say.
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I would argue the complete opposite tbh, I very frequently have rehandles in that are 5 spring or 12 pc handles (the whippiest handles currently on the market) although admittedly the handles were of poor quality, thin, and the shoulders were also thin, so I guess it's a combination of factors!
My main reasoning for thinking the opposite though is that flex above the splice causes torsion forces on the joint, which is why I would always try to mitigate this.
The damage which you refer too, it as a result of "handle twist" arising from off centre shots over time, due to them being round and thin and overly flexible.
I suppose the question is which is the lesser of the two evils, a rehandle or a split shoulder.
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The damage which you refer too, it as a result of "handle twist" arising from off centre shots over time, due to them being round and thin and overly flexible.
I suppose the question is which is the lesser of the two evils, a rehandle or a split shoulder.
Damage due to handles twisting too much often consist of both a split shoulder and a rehandle requirement. Although both different components of the bat, the nature of the join means they aren't really mutually exclusive with regards to damage. If you'd have to pick one, you'd probably pick for the handle to snap clean without any damage to the shoulder, but I'd imagine that's mostly down to a faulty/poorly made handle rather than anything else.