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Equipment => Bats => Bat Care => Topic started by: Sloggerz on December 17, 2022, 07:44:35 PM
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Does anyone here bat without a scuff sheet? If so did you notice extra ping?
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I guess firstly depends what level you can bat at, will it make a difference ?
What are you scoring at the moment ..
What is your level ?
What is your average ? What level do you bat at ?
What bats are you using out of interest ?
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A scuff sheet will make no difference to ping imo, regardless of level you play at etc
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A scuff sheet will make no difference to ping imo, regardless of level you play at etc
Very true. Do you offer a binding service. I have a new bat that needs binding.
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Are you talking adding extra handle binding or toe/shoulder binding? I can do both, but don't recommend toe/shoulder binding, especially on new bats. I personally don't think it adds any value tbh.
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Once a bat is seasoned I don't tend to use a scuff sheet.
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Are you talking adding extra handle binding or toe/shoulder binding? I can do both, but don't recommend toe/shoulder binding, especially on new bats. I personally don't think it adds any value tbh.
Its got pro bat tape on it not sure what its called. Only has a few cms of binding on near the shoulder so the rest of the handle needs binding.
Do you do the new keeley style toe guards. I need one on my match bat doing.
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Once a bat is seasoned I don't tend to use a scuff sheet.
Cool. Do you notice any seam marks or cracks during use without a scuff?
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Its got pro bat tape on it not sure what its called. Only has a few cms of binding on near the shoulder so the rest of the handle needs binding.
Do you do the new keeley style toe guards. I need one on my match bat doing.
Yeah i can certainly bind the handle if needed mate. I use liquid rubber toe guards. Similar to the Keeley ones, but not quite as hard. Personally feel they need to be softer and they stay on, also wear particularly well. Mine was ok all last season, hardly wore at all and i tap a lot
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A scuff sheet will make no difference to ping imo, regardless of level you play at etc
Actually it does. Depends on the quality of scuff. I recently got my bats refurbed locally and the person applied scuff made in subcontinent (super thick one). I felt a significant dropped in the ping until I removed it and apply a better quality scuff.
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Actually it does. Depends on the quality of scuff. I recently got my bats refurbed locally and the person applied scuff made in subcontinent (super thick one). I felt a significant dropped in the ping until I removed it and apply a better quality scuff.
I stand corrected then mate. Must have been some seriously thick scuff sheet! I only use top quality scuff sheets and don't see any noticeable difference myself, so was speaking from a personal point of view.
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Can understand why it would feel crap if you're using a big thick, low quality scuff sheet. Never noticed any difference using good quality sheets.
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I stand corrected then mate. Must have been some seriously thick scuff sheet! I only use top quality scuff sheets and don't see any noticeable difference myself, so was speaking from a personal point of view.
Yes mate! One of my friends went to visit back home and I asked him for scuff sheets, he called me and told me they had 4/5 different type of scuff depending on budget. Most people in states try to maximize their profit by using cheap scuff. I only use UK made clear scuff sheets on my bats. I buy rolls of it and apply on my bats myself.
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@Sloggerz Once it’s knocked, no seam marks. Any superficial cracks can be repaired with TLC, or more accurately, glue, sandpaper and fiberglass tape.
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There was actually a manufacturer on here a few years ago who claimed that his scuff sheets improved performance.
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Yeah i can certainly bind the handle if needed mate. I use liquid rubber toe guards. Similar to the Keeley ones, but not quite as hard. Personally feel they need to be softer and they stay on, also wear particularly well. Mine was ok all last season, hardly wore at all and i tap a lot
Ok sounds good. Would you need to keep the bats over night or could i pop down and wait whilst you fit the toe guards and bind the handle?
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Personally I don't like the hard hammer edge scuff sheets. For me the feel isn't up to the helicopter and fibre scuff sheet standards.
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@Sloggerz Once it’s knocked, no seam marks. Any superficial cracks can be repaired with TLC, or more accurately, glue, sandpaper and fiberglass tape.
When scuff sheets first came out i always thought they would impact on ping. But now hardly anyone bats raw with no sheet on..
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Well pros use that fibre stuff which is so thin it hardly does anything …
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It’s probably as good as playing with no sheet
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Does anyone here bat without a scuff sheet? If so did you notice extra ping?
I can't say definitively about improved ping but what I can tell you is that I ended removing the scuff sheets from my main match bats. I only cover areas that are showing cracking or excessive grain splitting. I hit from a certain area of the middle and that's where most wear-tear happens. I just cover that up and leave the rest. Also, if you've had edges cracked, then after oil-glue-sand process, I'd put a few inches of scuff sheet on the newly repaired area.
Once you know how to prepare and maintain bats in good condition, you really don't need the scuff sheet. One season is usually enough for me.
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Ok sounds good. Would you need to keep the bats over night or could i pop down and wait whilst you fit the toe guards and bind the handle?
You'd need to leave them mate. The binding can be done quickly, the toe guard needs time to set before finishing. This is the finished product....
(https://i.postimg.cc/3JsLfQc2/20221206-183026.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/TpcqhFGP)
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That’s decent can’t even see the toe guard obv very flush to the bat
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Jonny's toe guards are so much better than the usual rubber ones you get, I can't even feel where the toe guard starts because it has been finished so smoothly.
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Well pros use that fibre stuff which is so thin it hardly does anything …
Fibre is stronger and lighter than clear scuff, it's why most pros use it.
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Interesting I was not aware
I have seen it on some boards or servers that it’s useless by bat repairers who also repair pro bats
I did question why pros would use if that was the case ..
Perosnally I think the ones the clear ones uk made are the strongest but also heavier
Iv had cracks on bats through fibre but not on the clear uk stuff however that could be due to other reasons
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Fibre is stronger and lighter than clear scuff, it's why most pros use it.
I always find this interesting. 30cm of clear scuff weighs in at 3/8oz or 10 grams. 30cm of fibre scuff 1/4 oz or 6grams on my scales. So yes there is a difference, but it's absolutely minuscule in the grand scheme of things. If you feel you can notice that and feel it makes a difference, fair enough. I'm happy to put either on bats, or leave it off completely.
Is it stronger? Not sure as this is generally based on experiences, opinions etc rather than any specific evidence/findings and almost impossible to quantify. I've seen plenty of bats with fibre scuff which have cracked easily. My thoughts, if the willow isn't great, dry or has some defects like storm damage etc, then fibre or clear won't make much difference. I'm not sure how much difference it makes to stop damage anyway tbh. I generally recommended it to help offer some protection initially and feel it can help to protect the willow if people are playing against a damp ball.
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"Oh, no! I've got no scuff sheet on!"
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I always find this interesting. 30cm of clear scuff weighs in at 3/8oz or 10 grams. 30cm of fibre scuff 1/4 oz or 6grams on my scales. So yes there is a difference, but it's absolutely minuscule in the grand scheme of things. If you feel you can notice that and feel it makes a difference, fair enough. I'm happy to put either on bats, or leave it off completely.
Is it stronger? Not sure as this is generally based on experiences, opinions etc rather than any specific evidence/findings and almost impossible to quantify. I've seen plenty of bats with fibre scuff which have cracked easily. My thoughts, if the willow isn't great, dry or has some defects like storm damage etc, then fibre or clear won't make much difference. I'm not sure how much difference it makes to stop damage anyway tbh. I generally recommended it to help offer some protection initially and feel it can help to protect the willow if people are playing against a damp ball.
At the old place we found with fibre there's less marking with the seam relating to a little less damage
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At the old place we found with fibre there's less marking with the seam relating to a little less damage
Interesting. How was this tested mate?
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I guess firstly depends what level you can bat at, will it make a difference ?
What are you scoring at the moment ..
What is your level ?
What is your average ? What level do you bat at ?
What bats are you using out of interest ?
I'm struggling to understand why any of this matters when considering using a scuff sheet
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Because if you are averaging 50 already I do t think it will matter but if you are averaging 10
And a couple more boundaries and psychological factor advantage it may mean you double your average
It’s very unlikely you may be considering it if you are averaging high already ..
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Because if you are averaging 50 already I do t think it will matter but if you are averaging 10
And a couple more boundaries and psychological factor advantage it may mean you double your average
It’s very unlikely you may be considering it if you are averaging high already ..
Deciding whether or not to use a scuff sheet is based solely on preserving the life of the bat, it has nothing to do with anyone's level of technical ability or average.
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The original message said does it give more ping ..
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Jonny's toe guards are so much better than the usual rubber ones you get, I can't even feel where the toe guard starts because it has been finished so smoothly.
Second that, all my bats have toe guards by jonny. Don't crack or fall off. Highly recommended!
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Because if you are averaging 50 already I do t think it will matter but if you are averaging 10
And a couple more boundaries and psychological factor advantage it may mean you double your average
It’s very unlikely you may be considering it if you are averaging high already ..
This is the sort of thing I mean yesterday, just stop and have a short think before you press sent...
There's posting an opinion I don't agree with, and then there is sidetracking threads with nonsense posts.
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Because if you are averaging 50 already I do t think it will matter but if you are averaging 10
And a couple more boundaries and psychological factor advantage it may mean you double your average
It’s very unlikely you may be considering it if you are averaging high already ..
In all fairness mate, if you're averaging 10 then the least of your problems is 'scuff sheet or no scuff sheet'! 😆
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Someone who is not performing will look for answers from anywhere for increased performance and ping
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One for the scientists out there - doesn't a scuff sheet only change the feel of a bat's performance, not the bat's actual performance itself?
I didn't like the Newbery Hammer Edge sheets because it felt like I didn't get much feedback when playing shots, but the bats were no less powerful than any other I have used.
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Having used both you make probably the most pertinent point about feel
On contact
The feel on Co tact with fibre is more direct and raw
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In my opinion, a scuff can add up to half of an ounce.
I don't use a scuff sheet, don't like to add extra weight and for the feel.
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I guess firstly depends what level you can bat at, will it make a difference ?
What are you scoring at the moment ..
What is your level ?
What is your average ? What level do you bat at ?
What bats are you using out of interest ?
This doesn't make sense at all!
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It's quite simple, if scuff sheets of any variety reduced performance then pros wouldn't be using them would they...
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That’s a very fair point
Which goes back to if you are looking for more ping without is it because you think you will score more runs …
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Someone who is not performing will look for answers from anywhere for increased performance and ping
Thats my point. People focus on the wrong things. Fet a bat which is made right, feels and concentrate on improving your technique/skill/strength. Whether you have a scuff sheet or not won't make you a better player. If it makes a difference mentally to you're outlook on batting, then you may need to work on the mental aspect of your performance also imi
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Btw, 3 pages on scuff sheet chat....really??! Someone post a picture of a nice bat for god sakes! 😂
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(https://i.ibb.co/99FXPQB/0-DAEA883-1819-418-E-996-E-20-D1-ADBCEBD8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSpvZxw)
No scuff sheet, as I averaged enough this year not to need one.
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(https://i.ibb.co/99FXPQB/0-DAEA883-1819-418-E-996-E-20-D1-ADBCEBD8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSpvZxw)
No scuff sheet, as I averaged enough this year not to need one.
Ha ha, gonna put a layer of each type on just to be sure! 😆
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You’re right Johnny but I have seen my friends in Oxford struggle with same thing
Searching for answers for runs in all the wrong places
For all I know the poster may be scoring 50 plus every game which suggest what he needs is perhaps reward himself with a new bat as opposed to whether a scuff is needed
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Btw, 3 pages on scuff sheet chat....really??! Someone post a picture of a nice bat for god sakes! 😂
(http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Please-don-t-feed-the-trolls-atsof-547660_170_186.jpg)
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(https://i.ibb.co/99FXPQB/0-DAEA883-1819-418-E-996-E-20-D1-ADBCEBD8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSpvZxw)
No scuff sheet, as I averaged enough this year not to need one.
Saw this bat today it better than the 750 pound version of it.
Good maker is Johnny
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Btw, 3 pages on scuff sheet chat....really??! Someone post a picture of a nice bat for god sakes! 😂
Surely, this thread is a waste of time!
BTW beautiful bat you've created!
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Ha ha, gonna put a layer of each type on just to be sure! 😆
Then it won’t go through the gauge!
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(https://i.ibb.co/99FXPQB/0-DAEA883-1819-418-E-996-E-20-D1-ADBCEBD8.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xSpvZxw)
No scuff sheet, as I averaged enough this year not to need one.
Good job you have bought that bat it be in my bag now if you had not!
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I usually leave the scuff sheet on for 1st few weeks while I test it out on nets. Once match ready, goes the scuff sheet in trash and comes out GRAINS-GALAORE :D. And love them ball marks around and on sweet spot. Gives the bowlers soemthign to think about :)