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Equipment => Your Kit => Topic started by: tim2000s on September 24, 2010, 11:47:36 PM
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Talking to a couple of ex-pros, they use exact same bat profile and weight in nets as match, but the net bat is lower grade willow. This is to maintain and improve muscle memory. How many people have a nets bat that fits this model?
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I heard that pros net with ridiculously heavy bats so that when they bat with their normal weighted bats their hand speed is much quicker
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I had a Laver Carbo Firefly (Grade 1) long blade in 2'9/10
And also had exactly the same profile, weight and spec in Grade2/3 (Churchill) for a Net bat.
I sometimes try to match the net bat with match bat.
But most of the time, I actually just practice and test oout some of my bats.
Whereas other times, I try to use a heavier bat in the nets. I think this gets me used to using heavier bats for matches!
I used to use 2'9, but this has gone up to 2'13 as my match bat, and I am now timing and middling the balls better than I used to! So I think there are more than one method of improvement?
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I've prefered heavier bats like 2.11+ for some reason, I'll use a 2.8 without a problem but it feels like there is less to it, less bat and it's as if you're not hitting the ball as well.
Most kids my age use light bats because it's easier for them but it's down to preference in the end.
I use my match bat in nets 1. I can't afford two identical bats and 2. I'm used to my own and like it :D
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I toyed with the idea of a net bat, but i decided i think i orefer using my own bat and getting used to it. unless some really crap balls are being bowled, then i just grab someone else's :D haha
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At the minute I always use a lighter bat in the nets, but that's because we always practice on an artificial wicket that's far quicker and bouncier than the grass tack we play on
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I used to use 2'9, but this has gone up to 2'13 as my match bat, and I am now timing and middling the balls better than I used to! So I think there are more than one method of improvement?
I think it's the extra power that's so seductive,
you miss time a ball! :o
think you've been caught?!?! :(
and to your delight the ball sails over the in field :D
The heavy bat choice does work really well. My match bat which is 2.13 feels like a matchstick since I made a 3lbs 5oz net bat. http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=4335.msg105477#msg105477
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Some of us aren't good enough batsmen to warrant having a special net bat! I sometimes just use my old bat, but that's lighter, so I do what Colesey does and use my match bat. Makes no difference to me, just gets me used to my match bat more!
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Think that this winter I'm getting two custom bats and a net bat so I'll use the net bat for training and wet weather :)
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Thats if you ever decide to buy off anyone! ;)
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Thats if you ever decide to buy off anyone! ;)
Lol :/
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Haha long story johan, i'm only messing around with him.
Match/net bats i think ther eis two ways of looking at it. Do you buy 2 identical bats and use one in nets and one in matches, or do you buy one bat and use it in nets and matches so you get completely used to everything about it, it might last half as long but then you have the money to buy another as you didnt buy a net bat...
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I'm a one bat person if it breaks it breaks and u get a new one...no point in chopping and changing between nets and matches IMO
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Sam, I ent buying till at least half term bud, knowledge is power though so gettin all info I can :)
but IMO with a decent reduction , net bats are certainly worth it :)
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To be perfectly honest Peps, my bat gets naff all use in the middle anyway! I'm wallowing away down at 8 and 9, so I barely get a chance to do much bar swing the willow at the death! I'd rather use my match bat in nets, unless I'm trying reverse-sweeps and switch-hits through boredom, when I'll use my lighter bat for fun!
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Tom, do you use all Ayrtek gear?
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No I can't get hold of it lol..... yes mate apart from a bay at the moment as ended up carrying out a little survey into different top end brands to see what I though performed the best :)
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So you don't think that Ayrtek perform the best?
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Haha nice survey!! When is that bat sale starting then tom? or can you not bear to part with any of them!
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If I wanted to go for the best scenario in my case, I would go to someone like SAF, and ask for 2 bats!
The first bat would be based totally on performance, and as my match bat would need to be the exact weight and pickup I like with good all shot profile.
The second bat would be a lower grade willow. But I would still ask him to do the exact same profile, size of middle, position of middle, same pick up. BUT would see if he could make it a couple if ounces heavier!
That way, I would get use to using a heavier bat in the nets, ensuring that my muscles get stronger in their shots! But as the difference would only be a couple of ounces, I would hopefully not have to correct too much of a timing issue in a match! Especially as my timing is a little slower when I play matches anyway, due to me being not quite as relaxed in matches as I am in nets! And in a match I choose my shots a little more carefully (or try!)
And therefore, the slightly lighter bat in a match should feel a lot lighter and easier to play, and bat speed should be better too. This is obviously a theory, but so far a similar method to this seems to be working well for me. However, it probably won't work for everyone!
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Yeah sounds good, could you have the same pick up with different weights??
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Well other forum members who own our bats will give u an opinion on our bats as mine is obviously biased, the bat that I have found performs the best costs £400 and is made by Julian millchamp so not something most people will buy!
Our bats seem to perform well enough as there are several people who have scored 100's this season with them (Inc colsey) and one lad knocked 3/4 I think :)
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Fair play , and the softs aren't bad either . Pete, sounds like a v gd idea, IF I choose Chase, I'm going down to their farm so will have a similair theory put to use :)
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Well other forum members who own our bats will give u an opinion on our bats as mine is obviously biased, the bat that I have found performs the best costs £400 and is made by Julian millchamp so not something most people will buy!
Our bats seem to perform well enough as there are several people who have scored 100's this season with them (Inc colsey) and one lad knocked 3/4 I think :)
Damn right! ;)
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Yeah sounds good, could you have the same pick up with different weights??
Yes - you have the same pickup in proportion to the weight.
Therefore the pickup would be slightly heavier that your match bat, as the dead weight of the bat is heavier!
But it would all help in building up the correct muscles you use and add to the muscle memory theory.
It would not be as beneficial if the pickup on the net bat was lighter, as it would not build the 'pick up muscles' if that makes any sense?
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Ahhh i see what you mean, so say pick up 2 oz's lighter than dead weight on both, but one 3 oz heavier than other one...
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Somewhere around there.
You dont want too much of a difference as timing will become an issue.
But I think in theory it could work well!
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Yeah sounds like a stroke of genius, your the man to try it out!! ;) give you the chance to buy another bat!
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Interesting to see on here that there are quite a lot of people talking about netting with heavier bats than their match bat. Because the other day i was watching a programme called sport science and they was testing if using heavier bats actually helps (they was testing it for baseball but it works for cricket aswell). It was proven that it actually slows down your swing by about 8% or something so it doesnt actually work. Something to do with muscle memory or something like that! Was a couple of weeks ago now so forgot everything that was actually said. It was on Sky so some of you might be able to get it on the playback or whatever its called.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=baseball-bat-speed-all-star
Something on what Patty said, I dunno how much substance it's got to it though!
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I think that everyone is different. And most of batting is confidence. So if you feel that doing something in particular is working in a match, then excellent!
Science can disprove that everything exists if you believe them!
They can disprove that ghosts exists, but people still see ghosts!!!!! :( They could also disprove that wearing a specific pair of socks, shorts, gloves or whatever does noty improve your batting, but how many of you have a 'lucky' pair of pants you wear for a match??
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Yeah i can see your point pete, but when its empirical its hard to argue with!
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pete, i have PM'd you.
In matches, pro players tend to warm up by playing their strokes with 2 bats.
So that when they go to the middle the bat feels a lot lighter.
But I don't know many people who have a match bat and a net bat with the same weight.
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They are talking about a small percentage.
Whereas, 95% of batting is based on technical ability, hand and eye coordination, and confidence IMO!
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pete, i have PM'd you.
In matches, pro players tend to warm up by playing their strokes with 2 bats.
So that when they go to the middle the bat feels a lot lighter.
But I don't know many people who have a match bat and a net bat with the same weight.
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Yeah confidence is massive! As are ability etc which is why i sorrt of feel at many of our levels it doesnt matter what you train with or play with much of it would be down to us, but if sports science proves that heavier bat practising changes things then that going to play on people minds and blow the problem out of proportion!
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I will reply to pms when i get round to it.
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Guys, pm's aren't like instant messageing, no-one will ignore your pm unless they feel it warrants ignoring! So be patient and people will get back to you.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_gratification :D
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Guys, pm's aren't like instant messageing, no-one will ignore your pm unless they feel it warrants ignoring! So be patient and people will get back to you.
Good Point- Patience is a virtue remember..
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I will reply to pms when i get round to it.
no reply + he's offline now!
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Patience is a virtue remember..
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Obviously hasn't got round to it then!
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Patience is a virtue, I'll try and remember that when pestering people for sponsorship then :)
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Obviously hasn't got round to it then!
good call!
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Patience is a virtue, I'll try and remember that when pestering people for sponsorship then :)
even better call!
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oh do pipe down Sam ;) , how u getting on with ur TARGET :p :)
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signed sealed and ready to be delivered!