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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Watsontotty on October 13, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
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Well after another quite frankly shocking season it looks as if Lancashire continue to bury their heads in the sand. Neither the batting or bowling are strong enough and the overseas debacle last season was quite frankly a joke but still no signs of any quality coming in in either department. I'm a stanch Lancashire fan but im pretty disappointed that we are falling as far down the pecking order as we have and looks set to continue.
Without Chaps lancashire are poor and unfortunately he ain't getting any younger and injury rules him out of playing too much cricket, we have some talented spinners coming through but apart from that we have nothing especially the batting department. The likes of Warwickshire, Surrey, Sussex and Yorkshire look to be the progressive clubs. So with this in mind who will take the honours next season in the championship and one day Formats.
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tell me about, it last day of the season they couldn't even manage to go brigadier block style.
I was gutted as a Somerset fan!
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Lancs have seemed to struggle more and more the last 2 seasons and it's a shame as they produced some top players over the years. I am a Yorkshire man so will have to say championship to Yorkshire. One day trophy... Well Somerset will no doubt be a strong outfit as will Hampshire I think. Can't see Warwickshire carrying as strong a side again in 2011 but you never know. The one day format is Anyones really.
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Warrickshire are after signing Younis Khan and William Porterfield so there is plenty of batting to replace Bell and Trott
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Lancashire will be ok they have some very exiting youngsters coming through one i expect to play for england as the next left arm spinner Johnny should know of well
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Those would be awesome signings if they got the contracts sorted. I really enjoyed watching Warwickshire in the 40s this year. Didn't get tired of Ian bells numerous brilliant knocks either. He's a different class.
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Good young leggie coming through the ranks called Mo Abid. Tall, good action and control. I have played with/against him and he's very good.
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kerrigan is the future and there a 15 year old at the club who will make flintoff look good but not great
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Lancs are in a sad state in all forms, we rely heavily on Chaps and winning any Champ games that Anderson is available for at the start of the season. One day/T20-wise it seems a long time ago that we had Loye, Law, Hodge and Symonds blazing a trail at the top of the order.
With the Point we are having to cut our cloth, but the talent coming through seems to stagnate as players, particularly batsmen, find their way blocked by consistent underperformers. The players that have been brought in either from counties or as overseas have largely disappointed so what money is going spare has been wasted on older guys with little/nothing left to prove.
Lancs probably have to be prepared to take a step backwards before going on. Its a step in the right direction to release Sutton and give the gloves to Cross, but we need to be more proactive and prepared to sink or swim with the guys who have been sat twiddling their thumbs for too long.
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what like brownie and such
the reason Lancs sign mainly Southern based Batsman is due to the conditions up North
A step back is proberble but when did Lancshire last produce a top top quality batsman we struggle because of the weather and pitches...
Boris is coming to a end possible last season before he calls it a day and fair play since we played together it shows how good you have to be to make it..
Interesting you mention Law i would put him in with Cork old players in the end we did not want or need both quality in there day but both should have been shown the poor earlier
anybody wants to make it Boris was scoring 100,s at the age of 14/15 not bad for a bowler...
Lancs have 3 or 4 players who could break through but i suspect they will sign outsiders again
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Boris?
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sorry glen
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Interesting points on the wickets and developing batsmen pro... its noticeable that more players from the Cheshire plains are getting time in the middle for the 2ndXI as they are raised on better batting wickets. Warren Goodwin played a lot of 2s last year and guys like Bentley and Tipper (who is hopefully fine after his car crash) are Cheshire players.
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sorry glen
I see the resemblence now!
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yes chesire wickets are better places like bowden and the liverpool comp too have some belters too but the real heartland like The Lancashire League with the Northern/Central...
best wicket in the area in my eyes though is Netherfield and that more Northern..
Tipper and Bentley you think they have a chance of making it....
Tipper i sure i saw him sponsored by somebody a picture somewere in a cricket magazine
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Lancashire will be ok they have some very exiting youngsters coming through one i expect to play for england as the next left arm spinner Johnny should know of well
Kegsy for England!
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Tipper i sure i saw him sponsored by somebody a picture somewere in a cricket magazine
Tipper is sponsored by Key Cricket - http://www.keycricket.com/contents/en-uk/d55.html (http://www.keycricket.com/contents/en-uk/d55.html)
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what like brownie and such
the reason Lancs sign mainly Southern based Batsman is due to the conditions up North
A step back is proberble but when did Lancshire last produce a top top quality batsman we struggle because of the weather and pitches...
Boris is coming to a end possible last season before he calls it a day and fair play since we played together it shows how good you have to be to make it..
Interesting you mention Law i would put him in with Cork old players in the end we did not want or need both quality in there day but both should have been shown the poor earlier
anybody wants to make it Boris was scoring 100,s at the age of 14/15 not bad for a bowler...
Lancs have 3 or 4 players who could break through but i suspect they will sign outsiders again
Sorry Dave but your points about the wickets just don't stand up at all, most if not all pitches are covered and of a very high standard and i never hear any complaints about the old trafford pitch. I live up in the North East and the pitches are just fine especially the higher the standard, obviously perhaps not as hard as down south but the likes of colly from Durham and the many many class players Lancashire have had over the years shows it can be done and easily.
In my opinion the coaching staff is a joke and I'm sorry but i don't rate Peter Moores at all, Watkinson would have been sacked a while back had he not had his feet under the table. Lack of direction and ambition which the members wont accept or put up with for very much longer, looks like they are more interested in the ground rather than the team.
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Moore & Horton should be a good enough opening pair for LVCC Div 1, though not sure they've actually opened together yet - get a high profile, and decent overseas batsman in at 3 - A N Other at 4, Crofty and Tom Smith at 5-6, Cross 7, Chappel 8, Saj 9, Kegsy/Keedy 10 plus A N other decent seamer at 11 - sorted!
I think we're only 2-3 decent signings from a championship winning squad!
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We are way off that bud and we are short of a decent seamer also, batting is particularly light on quality and hasn't scored enough runs for 3 years bud. We need 3 batsmen and I'm talking quality and a decent seamer and we would then not be far away especially if you sprinkle a little Anderson into the team now and then. Decent overseas is a must however possibly not Lancs fault as KS pulled out late last season.
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Looking forward to the warick worcs arguments/matches with my old man
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Rich - I agree that it hasn't scored enough runs, but I think the talent is there. I think potentially one of the reasons the batting hasn't fired is that Peter Moores fannys about too much batting people out of position - Tom Smith as an opener? Sutton opening?
Who do you think we should be looking to sign? Do you know much about players coming through the ranks?
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Because in up in the North East i don't know a lot about any emerging players coming through the ranks but surely there must be some ready for the first team but it doesn't look like it. We need a quality overseas and i mean top drawer batsmen like Kumar Sangakkara however international duties makes it difficult. In terms of who we are looking to sign we were looking at Sidebottom but that was a non starter from the beginning as he was always Yorkshire bound, Shah is available as he is leaving Middlesex but that far north possibly not so i ain't got a clue to be fair.
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If you ever go on the BBC 606 forums they seem to always talk about a very talented crop of 2nd XI players who people feel aren't given a fair chance by Moores. That's just what I've read other people say though - the only emerging players I really know about are ones I've played with or against - Crofty, Tom Smith and kegsy all seem to have established themselves fairly well.
Other lads I know - James Anyon and Andy Miller got contracts with other counties, but again, seem to be doing alright.
Karl Brown is a name I hear mentioned quite a lot - he's been getting the odd game.
Agree with you though - need a QUALITY overseas, and need one that can play a full season
Not sure who's available on the seam bowling front - do you go for county journeyman or emerging talent? Basically somebody to be Jimmy Anderson when Jimmy Anderson's not there - they'd do worse than to sign Andy Miller back from Warwickshire - What about someone like Kabir Ali?
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Sorry Dave but your points about the wickets just don't stand up at all, most if not all pitches are covered and of a very high standard and i never hear any complaints about the old trafford pitch. I live up in the North East and the pitches are just fine especially the higher the standard, obviously perhaps not as hard as down south but the likes of colly from Durham and the many many class players Lancashire have had over the years shows it can be done and easily.
Rich not to argue with you old chum but the record speak for itself mate as you know i have traveled around a lot and without doubt Southern based batsman have a advantage from a young age and the wickets in Lancashire are not that great.
Look at the last 10 years tell me how many Lancashire or Northern based batsman have made it at Old Trafford and how many Southern Based players have we signed....
In my opinion the coaching staff is a joke and I'm sorry but i don't rate Peter Moores at all, Watkinson would have been sacked a while back had he not had his feet under the table. Lack of direction and ambition which the members wont accept or put up with for very much longer, looks like they are more interested in the ground rather than the team.
Rich not to argue with you old chum but the record speak for itself mate as you know i have traveled around a lot and without doubt Southern based batsman have a advantage from a young age and the wickets in Lancashire are not that great.
Look at the last 10 years tell me how many Lancashire or Northern based batsman have made it at Old Trafford and how many Southern Based players have we signed....
Your right most wickets are covered and after playing in the west of England Prem and the Middlesex Prem not many wickets up North are a patch on them including leagues such as the Bolton League and the Lancashire League..
The truth is it just rains up North more than down South and have covers all you want if you can not get on the thing and roll it suficently covers mean nothing as you do not have the preperation time as the Southern based Clubs do.
A very generic saying i know there good wickets up North but by and large there better down South (in the league mentioned
and thats hard to say as a Northerner