Topic: Mongoose MMi vs HAWK x-Bow (Read 13221 times)

hell4leather cricket · « **Reply #30 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:05:57 PM »

the cuppa in co-op sounded like it toped the day off! The three chimneys do some good ,but expensive food! wouldn't the guvnor buy you lunch then shilly?

SAF Bats · « **Reply #31 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:06:32 PM »

Actually back on topic - what's people view?

Which is better from watching the video / film / motion picture / Persistence of vision

Mongoose or Hawk

Talisman · « **Reply #32 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:30:49 PM »

Hawk, it hit the ball further, but what was the weight of each bat and do we rate a bat on the distance it can club a ball, surely there are more shots in the book, not mine admittedly. Also the increase in bat speed from the Mongoose is surely negated in that shot as you are not bringing the bat down solely.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #33 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:39:38 PM »

I'd go Hawk in my opinion the mongoose needs a rethink on the design

as I said earlier you have to wait for the right ball or ask the bowler to bowl you a ball you can hit...

The Mongoose's bat speed is based on the what I call the roundabout principal... That is if you spin a roundabout around and stand in the middle [centre] you are not travelling as fast as you would be if you are on the outer edge.

Yep the mongoose bat has a faster swing speed but you to need hit in the areas where that speed will benefit you.... basically near the toe.... either that or you offset the shorten blade in some way, which I won't go into!!!!

Tom · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:48:35 PM »

How much would you say the aerodynamics of a bat affect the swing speed?

Talisman · « **Reply #35 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:51:19 PM »

A lot in the lab, very little in the field. Timing can adjust for weight, balance and many other aspects of a shot, it comes was use so the more time you use a bat the better it gets.

Imperial were claiming to have a bat with an aerodynamic back creating faster bat swing 15 years ago, it didn't work. Yours would be simple as has less face to create resistance.

Tom · « **Reply #36 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:53:42 PM »

Do you have any proof to show that aerodynamics and therefore bat speed has minimal effects on shots played in the field?

Talisman · « **Reply #37 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:59:15 PM »

No Tom, do you, bearing in mind lies, dammed lies and statistic's...

When cricket is ruled by those with the best marketing we will be living in America.

Norb, help before Tom uploads a print out of the latest drag reports....

SAF Bats · « **Reply #38 on:** October 07, 2009, 09:59:27 PM »

Quote from: Tom on October 07, 2009, 09:48:35 PM

How much would you say the aerodynamics of a bat affect the swing speed?

is that a genuine question... and do you know the answer... If yes I will answer it?

Tom · « **Reply #39 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:03:21 PM »

Quote from: Norbair on October 07, 2009, 09:59:27 PM

is that a genuine question... and do you know the answer... If yes I will answer it?

Genuine question, I don't think we've even tested it. I would guess at the answer of course being that it is more Aerodynamic but I don't know for sure.

Tom · « **Reply #40 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:07:05 PM »

Quote from: Talisman on October 07, 2009, 09:59:15 PM

No Tom, do you, bearing in mind lies, dammed lies and statistic's...

When cricket is ruled by those with the best marketing we will be living in America.

Norb, help before Tom uploads a print out of the latest drag reports....

No proof at all that bat speed, bat power or willow affects the game on the field. However basic physics would tell me that a bat swinging through quicker would therefore meet the ball at a quicker speed. With all this every action has an equal and opposite reaction stuff I would imagine the ball would come off quicker obviously assuming all other variables were the same.

Talisman · « **Reply #41 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:09:37 PM »

I totally agree but what comes down must go up and for the increase in swing speed there is an equal and opposite decrease in lift speed.

SAF Bats · « **Reply #42 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:14:27 PM »

OK from my blog.... with some alterations and I hope this make sense

Here are some examples �an extreme profile that penetrates the air more smoothly to reduce negative drag giving a lighter pickup.�

Aerodynamically designed to give greater bat speed and scientifically sculptured for a lighter pick up and superb balance

For pickup funny thing is the spine triangle shape has a higher drag coefficient then a semi circle [classic shape]Negative drag, if there is such a term, implies Lift or Thrust, so if they are saying it reduces negative drag then I can only assume it reduces thrust or lift and therefore the pickup will not be lighter it would be heavier.

The front of blade would have to reach certain speeds for an aerodynamic effect to work [standard race cars trip from mechnical to aerodynamic grip at about 70mph based on downforce] and then it would have to have something like the magnus effect [swing of cricket a ball or why there are dimples on a golf ball] to do anything. This means it would has to have certain air pressure conditions and speed to make it swing faster also to be consistent it would have a to have a constant shape a-la the dimples on golf ball to create a trip in the air flow to produce a pressure difference therefore creating increased swing speed

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Marketing, gimmick or a valid Cricket Bat design option�? I'll let you decide!!

SAF Bats · « **Reply #43 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:35:37 PM »

Quote from: Tom on October 07, 2009, 10:07:05 PM

No proof at all that bat speed, bat power or willow affects the game on the field. However basic physics would tell me that a bat swinging through quicker would therefore meet the ball at a quicker speed. With all this every action has an equal and opposite reaction stuff I would imagine the ball would come off quicker obviously assuming all other variables were the same.

Ok newtons law of physics are right... For every action there is an equal an opposite reaction... Yep that is right!!!! I'm not going to argue with Newton

Ok that opposite reaction will include energy loss via vibration / twisting / elasiticity of the bat / heat etc etc..... you could swing the bat as hard as you like if it isn't designed / made properly [not saying that mongooses aren't] then your energy losses in other areas are significant enough for you to lose that initial gain of having a faster swing speed.

Ok now i said all that what you really need is, if you sticking with the design [and even if you are thinking of changing], is consistency in your willow and manufacturering processes if you feel you have that then fine.. Could it get better I think so but thats me... I reckon my own bats could be better, in fact I've only seen one or two bats I'd say "that is it... you will not get better then that"

Don't get me wrong I like the concept of mongoose... I would have love to bring something like that to market...

Oh I think that is enough

Damo1583 · « **Reply #44 on:** October 07, 2009, 10:51:21 PM »

Didnt Denis Lillee's aluminium bat have holes drilled through it to improve bat speed???

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