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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2012, 09:07:15 PM »

There's a guy in a team we play against that bats fully chest on - everytime I've played against him he's looked a prime canditate for LBW and hasnt got any runs. Apparently though he has had some high scores, but I cant see how.
Same applies to alot of bats - when it comes down to it, most clubbies have fairly idiosyncratic techniques and if you don't happen to see the weeks it works, they look like nowt much....
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2012, 09:21:56 PM »

Old captain ended up. Being almost square on as a bad left eye meant he was squre on to get a better cview of the ball.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2012, 09:58:49 PM »

I'm struggling with my neck and it's causing my head to tilt to the off side as I can't get in the proper position. This stance will help and it will help get my backfoot into better positions.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2012, 08:53:46 AM »

this is interesting, again from aakash chopra, talking about Shane Watson's technique, on cricinfo.

It was a typical low, slow
subcontinental pitch; a left-arm
spinner with a round-arm action
was operating, and the ball was
only marginally short on middle
and leg - the kind that forces you
to be a little wary of the low
bounce and makes you offer a
straight bat instead of a horizontal
one. Most batsmen, including ones
from the subcontinent who grew
up on these surfaces, would
happily dab the delivery into a
vacant on-side area and be
satisfied with the outcome - mostly
a single or a two. Years of batting
on these surfaces have taught these
men to bring out the horizontal bat
shots only when the ball is really
short and they are 100% sure of
the bounce. Unlike when you play
with a straight bat, where you can
check your shot and convert an
aggressive shot into a defensive
prod even at the last second, once
you've committed to a horizontal
bat shot, there's no looking back.
You're forced to execute it for
good or ugly.
All of this only seems to be of
academic interest when Shane
Watson is batting, for he dispatches
every short ball deep into the
stands on the on side, even on
these pitches. Where others are
busy protecting their pads and
wickets from the low bounce, he
has found a way not just to make
contact every single time but also
to get under, getting elevation.
How does he do it so efficiently?
Watson's trigger moment is among
the unique facets of his batting. He
goes deep into the crease with his
back leg and keeps the toes of his
front foot mobile, barely touching
the ground. In doing so, he
transfers his body weight
completely onto the back foot just
before the bowler releases the ball.
This is, in fact, the antithesis of
what the coaching manual
recommends, which is that the
batsman should distribute his body
weight equally between both feet -
the rationale being that equal
distribution of weight makes both
forward and backward movements
easier.
In Watson's mode of operating, he
prepares for the full ball first.
Since the weight is already on the
back foot, the forward movement
becomes fluid, manifested in his
long front-foot stride. But the
moment the ball is even slightly
short, instead of using a proper
forward press to transfer the
weight on to the front foot (like
most other batsmen do, consuming
precious time) before transferring
it to the back foot again, he digs
his front toe into the ground and
uses that movement to transfer the
weight and then swivels on to the
back foot. In the process, he also
clears the front leg quite nicely,
which allows his arms a free swing.
Watson's unique method of loading
and unloading both feet to transfer
weight gives him a precious few
extra moments to pull even
marginally short balls without fuss.
It isn't just Watson's ability to
transfer his body weight that helps
him get the ball to sail over the
ropes so often. For such a tall man
it must take special skill to not
miss horizontal bat shots often on
pitches where the ball stays
alarmingly low. Watson manages to
do so in large part by collapsing
his back knee on almost every shot
he plays. This helps him get under
the ball and find elevation. To hit
the ball in the air while playing
horizontal bat shots, the bat must
not go above the bounce of the
ball in the backlift. It's incredible
to see how low Watson goes by
dropping his back knee and hands
to get under the low bounce.
Watson has turned the
fundamentals of batting on their
head and is still hugely successful.
It is widely believed that cricket is
primarily a side-on game, and
batting more so. It is believed that
if both a batsman's shoulders are
square-on while he plays strokes
through the off side off the front
foot, he is doomed. It is also
thought that a straight drive can
only be hit effectively with a
straight bat.
Watson not only shows both his
shoulders square-on, on almost
every shot he plays, including the
straight drive, he also plays with a
vertically straight bat only against
balls that are too full to be played
with a slightly anguled or almost
horizontal bat. Under normal
circumstances, he should miss
more often than not, but his back
knee comes to his rescue. While
playing a sweep, it's advised to
drop the back knee, which helps
you to stay really low, prevents you
from going off-balance, and helps
watch the ball closely. Watson
follows the same principles, but
does so even when playing down
the ground. Staying low while
playing all the shots off the front
foot make him successful even on
subcontinental pitches.
Collapsing the back leg has
negative implications too. For
starters, it makes it difficult to hit
the ball straight, for your weight,
instead of being on top of the ball,
stays somewhere in between and
you end up dragging the ball
squarish on off-side shots.
Somehow Watson has managed to
take care of that too, which makes
his adjustment quite extraordinary.
Finally, the secret to his clean
hitting is the shape he maintains
during and after hitting those big
shots. Even while he plays
outrageous strokes, like the flat-
batted swipe over the bowler's
head, he manages to stay quite
composed. His arms, shoulders and
torso are always firm, rarely losing
shape.
Watson's unique way of playing
makes it difficult for bowlers to
find the right length and lines to
bowl to him.
Former India opener Aakash
Chopra is the author of Out of the
Blue, an account of Rajasthan's
2010-11 Ranji Trophy victory. His
website is here and his Twitter feed
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2012, 11:43:43 AM »

I love watching Watson bat for many of the reasons above, he's unorthodox yet elegant then the brute force comes through. The clean hitting and sometimes effortlessness makes him very aesthetically pleasing and I have to say I picked up on his trigger movement a while ago, it's like he's loading up for anything full to be launched!
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2012, 09:26:58 PM »

i bat exactly like Watson does in terms of the trigger movement. It gives you a lot more power and with the weight on the back foot and the front foot hovering you just dip your shoulder to the short balls and this presses your front foot down and allows you to go back. if it is up there you explode your hips and body through the shot. Its a great technique and i have mentioned it a few times on here. I have been known to hit an opening bowler for 6 straight back over his head off the back foot by simply thrusting the hips through the ball ... think garfiled sobers used to do this.

I think this technique is referred to as back loading in coaching circles, ive been doing it since 2007 and have scored lots of runs with lots of 6's. Im only 5ft 10 and 12 stone so im not a big man but i hit a lot of sixes, especially straight ones.

i teach this '>' position to the kids i train and they have a lot of power in their shots ... thrust your hips through to create a '<' position and the power is quite remarkable. This > position is great as the kids heads are forward in their stance as well.

People should give it a try in the nets.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #21 on: October 05, 2012, 09:36:09 PM »

THE LAUNCH
The launch or load position occurs, when as the pitcher shows you his hip pocket, you show them yours. In the load position, your hands and weight should move backwards in order to load. All major league hitters get to this position before they swing, no matter how they start. Hand position in the swing is very important. The hands should start out roughly near the backside armpit. This will enable you to start the swing from a strong position. A common problem: Wrapping the bat is a problem created by incorrect hand positioning. Many players twist the bat back behind their heads, which slows the bat speed of the hitter by making it take longer to swing the bat. A great way to learn not to wrap the bat is by pointing the knob of the bat at home plate, in the load position, prior to the swing. This way the bat will be on an angle conducive to a compact swing. Another common problem: Nervous bat caused by excessive bat waving. Excessive bat waving causes each swing to start in a different launch position. This inconsistency will show up in your hitting performance. Some major league batters (such as Ken Griffey Jr or Gary Shefield), after studying pitchers for many of hours, use bat waving to improve their swing timing. Again at the amateur level, I recommend you keep bat waving to a minimum. Have your bat in the load & launch position. This will improve your opportunity to make consistently good, hard contact with each pitch.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2012, 09:35:05 AM »

i bat exactly like Watson does in terms of the trigger movement. It gives you a lot more power and with the weight on the back foot and the front foot hovering you just dip your shoulder to the short balls and this presses your front foot down and allows you to go back. if it is up there you explode your hips and body through the shot. Its a great technique and i have mentioned it a few times on here. I have been known to hit an opening bowler for 6 straight back over his head off the back foot by simply thrusting the hips through the ball ... think garfiled sobers used to do this.

I think this technique is referred to as back loading in coaching circles, ive been doing it since 2007 and have scored lots of runs with lots of 6's. Im only 5ft 10 and 12 stone so im not a big man but i hit a lot of sixes, especially straight ones.

i teach this '>' position to the kids i train and they have a lot of power in their shots ... thrust your hips through to create a '<' position and the power is quite remarkable. This > position is great as the kids heads are forward in their stance as well.

People should give it a try in the nets.

As someone who has never hit a six and gets serious abuse for hitting ones and twos in 20/20, I would love to see a vid of your technique and you talking through the set up.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2012, 09:52:17 AM »

me too, I think it sounds really interesting.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2012, 09:58:19 AM »

I second that as I barely hit 5 sixes per season and have to learn how to incorporate big hitting into my game.
Trying to play as a strokemaker has gotten boring when some of my team mates score much quicker than me in boundaries and sixes. Would be great for Garrett to get a video up explaining this batting tecnique.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2012, 10:08:07 AM »

Our rearranged games are 20 overs so had lots this year due to rain. Normally open batting so guys don't know where to bat me in 20 over games. If open I'm allowed to bat for 10 then get myself out! Strike rate around 70. I've tried to develop reverse sweeps and moving around the crease to mix things up as I don't have the six in the v or over cow in me. Just watched watson's 161 on YouTube brilliant.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2012, 12:37:33 PM »

ive seen a 15 year old kid in our team hit his dad, bowling off spin, out of the ground and through the roof of a house with a straight drive when we were practicing hittign straight.

a simple two step walk into the ball, thrust the hips forward and hit with 80% power otherwise you will shank it.

i'll find or do a video of all this
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2012, 01:22:10 PM »

I have a morbid fear of hitting it in the air and hence hit very few sixes,in fact I hit none this season. I would love to hit a few next season.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2012, 01:42:21 PM »

this should come with a care warning, it takes some practice. I am seeing the stig for a net on thurs possibly, so I might see if he can demonstrate.
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Re: What will be the next innovation in batting technique?
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2012, 04:06:09 PM »

very correct buzz.

Hitting stright is just like practicing a forward defense, pull or square cut, you need to hit 1000's of balls before you can get very confident.

Sometimes you just need to be able to chip it over the fielders to push back the long on/off so you can milk singles in that area, once you practice it is quite simple to chip the infielders.
 then go for it in the final few overs .... i usually start when i take the amount of wickets fromt eh overs left ie

5 wickets down i will start going mental with 5 overs left, 3 down 7 overs left ... etc etc
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