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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2013, 01:23:29 PM »

Doubt it

Really? You don't think Botham has it in him to be a bully?
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2013, 01:24:43 PM »

Bowled mid 80's

Had an action that Ian Pont would have loved to have tinkered with!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2013, 01:29:03 PM »

No

Good action. Was over bowled and poorly managed. As were most fast bowler in the 80's and 90's
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2013, 01:33:05 PM »

Good action.

You wouldn't say it was economical!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2013, 01:33:14 PM »

I think Ian Pont either at junior or development level would be good within the England setup. By the time they reach the England setup they should be near the finished article. The coaching should then consist of tactics against oppo batsman and practising skills. For me somebody like Saker is better than a Pont in the current setup. The fundamentals of a bowlers action should not be tampered with during a test series. Who is to say bending that front leg on delivery helps minimise stress on the knee joint? Could be many reasons for bowlers actions during tests, most likely down to staying on the park. I heard a story that Jimmy Anderson reduced the pressure going through his front foot from x5 to x2 his own bodyweight. Some people might say it's reduced his pace but it's probably extended his career.
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2013, 01:34:58 PM »

Gary Palmer was one of the top young players in England upto the age of 19. Bowled mid 80's and scored big runs in the middle order.  Was captain of England from u15 to u19. Had a decent career with Somerset cut short by injury and the burden of being the next Botham. Also played squash for England I think.

And there in lies the problem.  Too talented.  That is the problem that these sportsmen are good at too much, they need to share the talent out with others.   ;)
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2013, 01:38:09 PM »

Haha yes Gary had lots going on. His dad and uncle playing for Somerset and his dad being a test umpire as he was trying to make the grade. He was under lots of pressure for sure.

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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2013, 01:38:40 PM »

You wouldn't say it was economical!

What do you mean ?
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2013, 01:43:38 PM »

What do you mean ?


It was 'busy' - a lot of moving parts!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2013, 08:37:31 PM »

I think Ian Pont either at junior or development level would be good within the England setup. By the time they reach the England setup they should be near the finished article. The coaching should then consist of tactics against oppo batsman and practising skills. For me somebody like Saker is better than a Pont in the current setup. The fundamentals of a bowlers action should not be tampered with during a test series. Who is to say bending that front leg on delivery helps minimise stress on the knee joint? Could be many reasons for bowlers actions during tests, most likely down to staying on the park. I heard a story that Jimmy Anderson reduced the pressure going through his front foot from x5 to x2 his own bodyweight. Some people might say it's reduced his pace but it's probably extended his career.

The issue is that if you make a drastic change to a bowler's action, it takes time to get used to. A lot of players assume that because they don't have instant success, what they're doing doesn't work, so they get into a negative frame of mind, and the downward spiral starts there. If they persevere, then assuming the change was thought through, 9 times out of 10 they will become better. The issue is though that they are professionals so they can't be away from bowling from too long or they'll lose their job.

In my understanding, bending your front knee will reduce the weight going through it, but it is also more likely to cause injury because your ligaments will have to cope with the stress rather than the joint as a whole. Ligaments have a habit of snapping whereas the joint kept straight would channel the force through to your hips where it would dissipate. And, from a cricketing perspective, you'll bowl significantly slower, and with less accuracy because you are less supported in your action.
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2013, 01:53:59 PM »

Ian Pont didn't exactly set the world on fire as a cricketer. Nor did that other 'top coach', Gary Palmer.

What a mad statement! Does someone have to "set the world on fire" in order to judge how someone can improve? Why do top tennis players have coaches still
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #41 on: December 16, 2013, 01:24:44 PM »

Yeah exactly..... not sure sean foley could 'put a glove on' tiger......
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