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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2013, 11:42:20 AM »

Ian Pont didn't exactly set the world on fire as a cricketer. Nor did that other 'top coach', Gary Palmer.

José Mourinho, Arsène Wenger weren't exactly tip top when it came to football careers... they seem to do ok as coaches.

If you applied the logic you have to be brilliant at something to understand it then Gazza would be in charge of Real Madrid.



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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2013, 11:42:28 AM »

How many 'top coaches' did though?
Duncan Fletcher never set the world alight in FC cricket, played a couple of ODI's, but has been one of the most succesful coaches at International level in the last 15 years

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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2013, 12:08:28 PM »

Couldn't find it online, but there was a great article in AOC from (I think) Denniss Lillee about how actions are meticulously coached these days. He didn't exactly hold back on his thoughts of it....

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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #18 on: December 11, 2013, 12:35:51 PM »

Point taken. I remember Michael Holding saying something similar on Sky. And he was brilliant at something!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #19 on: December 11, 2013, 12:37:57 PM »

If you applied the logic you have to be brilliant at something to understand it then Gazza would be in charge of Real Madrid.

Or a brewery?
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2013, 12:40:51 PM »

Ian Pont didn't exactly set the world on fire as a cricketer. Nor did that other 'top coach', Gary Palmer.

I really wish people would think before opening their mouths! The whole idea that to be a top coach you have to be a good player is completely bollox! It is a theory that has been consistently blown out of the water! I bet if you looked at the % of international players in top coaching jobs (and being successful) is lower than the % who were average players, or players who had to work extremely hard to get there. There is a misguided thought that because you are good at something, you should be able to teach it to some-one else, but I bet that if you asked the best players how they do it, I bet they would struggle because it 'comes naturally', or 'its just what I do'. Players who had to work extremely hard to get anywhere will be much better coaches because they will understand the processes, and I would imagine the majority of (especially) county coaches will be made up of average middle of the road players. In fact, name me one coach who has more than a handful of caps, coaching at county level.

However, there is also a ceiling that great amateur coaches with no experience of playing first class cricket can get to. I have been doing some work with a level 3 coach, ex England cricketer, who is the most average coach I have ever seen. I know full well that I am a better coach but because I haven't got the experience of playing international cricket, I will never get an opportunity!

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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2013, 12:55:17 PM »

I'm sorry, but I wouldn't want Ian Pont coaching England.
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2013, 01:00:46 PM »

Well no, neither would I, but there are also bound to be ex players who weren't very good, who aren't very good coaches as well lol!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2013, 01:05:20 PM »

Isn't there a saying that good coaches know when to leave things alone?
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2013, 01:06:30 PM »

Agreed!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2013, 01:12:20 PM »

If you applied the logic you have to be brilliant at something to understand it then Gazza would be in charge of Real Madrid.

I'd love to see this
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2013, 01:14:22 PM »

They would become Surreal Madrid!
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2013, 01:14:54 PM »

Gary Palmer was one of the top young players in England upto the age of 19. Bowled mid 80's and scored big runs in the middle order.  Was captain of England from u15 to u19. Had a decent career with Somerset cut short by injury and the burden of being the next Botham. Also played squash for England I think.
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2013, 01:17:51 PM »

Gary Palmer was one of the top young players in England upto the age of 19. Bowled mid 80's and scored big runs in the middle order.  Was captain of England from u15 to u19. Had a decent career with Somerset cut short by injury and the burden of being the next Botham. Also played squash for England I think.

I suspect he was bullied by Botham at Somerset. In fact, I once saw evidence first hand.
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Re: Ian Pont taking aim
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2013, 01:21:50 PM »

Doubt it
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