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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 10:18:57 AM »

WTC concept is all good and well but the execution is clearly off. New Zealand got to the final by winning 3 series at home and they only play 2 match series.
Teams like England, Australia and India actually play longer series.
In the future there shouldn’t be any 2 match series at they distort the points total.
For example England won in South Africa and India won in Australia yet New Zealand minnow bashing West Indies was worth more points. Totally absurd.
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2021, 12:04:11 PM »

Teams like England, Australia and India actually play longer series.

There is a reason they are called the "Big 3". They plan those long series for financial/profit reasons.

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In the future there shouldn’t be any 2 match series at they distort the points total.

Agreed. Everyone plays the same number of Test matches for the WTC.

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For example England won in South Africa and India won in Australia yet New Zealand minnow bashing West Indies was worth more points. Totally absurd.

And, yet thru sheer grit, determination, and application in poo weather, they managed to beat the most resourceful side in the Cricket world. You are right, NZ didn't belong in the WTC Final.

Sour grapes?



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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2021, 01:31:38 PM »

There is a reason they are called the "Big 3". They plan those long series for financial/profit reasons.

Agreed. Everyone plays the same number of Test matches for the WTC.

And, yet thru sheer grit, determination, and application in poo weather, they managed to beat the most resourceful side in the Cricket world. You are right, NZ didn't belong in the WTC Final.

Sour grapes?
England won a test in India, only the second Test India lost at home over a 9 year period. That was worth 90pts.
Yet New Zealand faced West Indies and Pakistan, two of the worse sides in test cricket. Those 4 wins got New Zealand 720pts.
One win in India is worth more than a win over those lesser sides.

There needs to be an overseas multiplier going forward. Away wins should merit 1.5x multiplier.

Sour grapes over what exactly? I pretty much summed up how I’ve side manipulated the scoring system to get into the final.
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2021, 02:14:34 PM »

WTC concept is all good and well but the execution is clearly off. New Zealand got to the final by winning 3 series at home and they only play 2 match series.
Teams like England, Australia and India actually play longer series.
In the future there shouldn’t be any 2 match series at they distort the points total.
For example England won in South Africa and India won in Australia yet New Zealand minnow bashing West Indies was worth more points. Totally absurd.
I feel you've a valid point!
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2021, 06:24:49 PM »

England won a test in India, only the second Test India lost at home over a 9 year period. That was worth 90pts.
Yet New Zealand faced West Indies and Pakistan, two of the worse sides in test cricket. Those 4 wins got New Zealand 720pts.
One win in India is worth more than a win over those lesser sides.

How would you classify that? Every 4 years? People like you will find a reason (or 12) to whinge about the "multipliers". You are proposing a no-win situation for everyone.

Every cricket boards agreed to the rules before the WTC. It is a pity they didn't ask your opinion.

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Sour grapes over what exactly? I pretty much summed up how I’ve side manipulated the scoring system to get into the final.


1. Every cricket boards agreed to these rules.
2. The BIG 3 agreed on the schedule of ALLLLLLLLLLL Tests series.
3. If the BIG 3 failed in manipulating the "scoring system", they must really suck! Both at score manipulation and TEST cricket!

NZ won,  fair and square! Accept it and live with it.
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2021, 06:52:09 PM »

I'd love for NZ to play 5 match series. It's a travesty that Kane Williamson doesn't get to play as much as the likes of Kohli, Smith, Root.
You say that we play Minnows but it seems the Big 3 refuse to play them. We don't want to keep playing Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangaladesh and WI every other year. We have no problem playing them but it seems we either have them touring us or we tour there every year. We can only play who ICC schedule us to play.

We Beat India, England, Australia (In White ball Cricket) all the time. However for NZ to truly be the number 1 test side I believe we need to beat India in India and Australia in Australia otherwise like you've seen on Social media and here people still look down on us.

Anyway, I couldn't be prouder to be a Kiwi right now.
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2021, 07:00:39 PM »

You say that we play Minnows but it seems the Big 3 refuse to play them. We don't want to keep playing Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangaladesh and WI every other year. We have no problem playing them but it seems we either have them touring us or we tour there every year. We can only play who ICC schedule us to play.

This is the F**&&^G hypocrisy of the BIG-3!!!!

I am so glad that NZ delivered a swift kick in their collective nuts.

Vive Le NZ!

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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2021, 07:29:07 PM »

There should have been 3 test or 5 Tests to decide TWC!
Not just one off Test...
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2021, 07:49:10 PM »

I'd love for NZ to play 5 match series. It's a travesty that Kane Williamson doesn't get to play as much as the likes of Kohli, Smith, Root.
You say that we play Minnows but it seems the Big 3 refuse to play them. We don't want to keep playing Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangaladesh and WI every other year. We have no problem playing them but it seems we either have them touring us or we tour there every year. We can only play who ICC schedule us to play.

We Beat India, England, Australia (In White ball Cricket) all the time. However for NZ to truly be the number 1 test side I believe we need to beat India in India and Australia in Australia otherwise like you've seen on Social media and here people still look down on us.

Anyway, I couldn't be prouder to be a Kiwi right now.

There are not too many teams that would beat India in India, the fact that India beat Australia in OZ and NZ have consistently had good results meant I think the best two in the world were the right two in the final.

Historically, teams, and England in particular have given NZ one test, or two tests and save the main games for the ones that make the most money.

It will be interesting to see now if NZ start to get longer series to play, putting a spanner in the works of the big 3.

Modern day cricket is more about money than ever, overseas want England to come, the administrators here want maximum revenue and packed out grounds.
From purely a fan point of view I hope it changes things a bit. India,England and Australia constantly is a bit boring.
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Re: 2021 WTC Final - New Zealand vs India
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2021, 08:06:50 PM »

There are not too many teams that would beat India in India, the fact that India beat Australia in OZ and NZ have consistently had good results meant I think the best two in the world were the right two in the final.

Historically, teams, and England in particular have given NZ one test, or two tests and save the main games for the ones that make the most money.

It will be interesting to see now if NZ start to get longer series to play, putting a spanner in the works of the big 3.

Modern day cricket is more about money than ever, overseas want England to come, the administrators here want maximum revenue and packed out grounds.
From purely a fan point of view I hope it changes things a bit. India,England and Australia constantly is a bit boring.
You nailed it! 👍
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