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[Number4]

What made the Windies so awesome in the 80s was accuracy. Johnson has it at the moment, who knows with Coulter-Nile? No point bowling quick if it isn't straight.

Isn't that what England were expecting from Johnson this series.... Bowl to the left, bowl to the right, bowl them all out and they'll have nightmares tonight

[uknsaunders]

and they have it easy - spare a thought for these guys 

WEST INDIES FAST BOWLERS OF THE 80'S - BRUTAL COMPILATION!

[Number4]

This might bring back bad memories.

http://youtu.be/Q-aN8-21Mpc

[uknsaunders]

Will be interesting to see if he get's the same swing. Much of that in-swing was generated by his round arm action and the freemantle doctor. It was also the reason he bowled toilet most of the time in that series as his action meant the release point varied too much. His arm position is much higher now which helps his consistency but makes it harder to curve the ball back in - he naturally moves the the ball away.

What has also changed is he's nearly 15kph quicker now, was hitting 135kph then, nearer or over 150kph now.

[ppccopener]

Bowling wise Johnson is the difference between the teams. Don't think there is much between Harris/Siddle and Anderson/Broad apart from the match situation. Easy to look good with 570 on the board and the other guy bowling 90+ the other end.

Batting wise England have mostly got themselves out. Pressure/Pace yes, but mostly poor judgement. Reaction times and margins are fine but England just haven't looked ready for this series as a batting unit. It's almost like Pakistan in the UAE again, we just not at the races. Problem is you can't do much because the best players are playing. Don't see the point in wholesale changes unless somebody makes a real case for inclusion.

agree with this....australia are playing better and have hit us with everything but the kitchen sink in the first 2 tests-we have always been poor starters overseas recently and this time we hav'nt got away with it.
not sure what side we will have at perth, i would think we need bresnan in and also some pace,either tremlett or finn/rankin.
I would drop swann...tough call but monty is bowling better if we need one spinner.Johnson has been awesome and every catch is going to hand whereas we have spilled some.
it may be too late but we are starting to fight back,Perth is a bad ground for us but it's now or never.
I dont believe we will lose 5-0(boycott today on BBC) and some of our old players on the Sky commentary team should be embarrased the stuff they are coming out with-they played in the 90's when we neer beat the Aussies.
I also dont believe we are 'mentally shot' but we have to show some fight starting friday

it's probably too late but we can't give up on England yet.
Well played Australia thou-they have been ruthless so far

[mk_chappo]

Think need to drop Swanny for Perth and keep Monty as our spinner. (he has had success there before and look like hanging around longer than Swanny with the bat at the minute!)
Bresnen should replace him to bowl the hard overs into the Doctor.
Would be nice to see Rankin get a go. Would be his sort of wicket and he is more accurate than Finn. But I can't see which other bowler you drop to get him in?
Leave the batsmen as they are. Those guys got us into this - they need to get us out of it.

[joeljonno]

Drop both spinners? Get Finn/Rankin in, I'd prefer Finn for experience over Rankin. Let Root and KP send their tweakers down.

[finbarr44]

My team for perth is Cook Carberry Root KP Bell Stokes Prior Bresnan Broad Anderson and Finn. What do we think of that selection I would be interested to hear peoples comments all opinions welcome.

[petehosk]

There is the 3rd test topic for these posts - closing this topic