Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123530 times)

Jimbo · « **Reply #1320 on:** September 17, 2020, 10:54:18 AM »

Having Stokes available again would add a bit more balance to the ODI team I reckon. Roy is also horribly out of form and he was a huge factor in the rise to number one.

Kulli · « **Reply #1321 on:** September 17, 2020, 11:39:10 AM »

Quote from: rickjames on September 16, 2020, 09:07:05 PM

A spinner who's gone at almost 9 vs a very good death bowler who's excelled with pace off the ball. Just baffled by why he turned to him. Archer's no ball and Buttler's drop off that nick also proving costly.

Genuinely gutted we lost that

On the flip side it was also a spinner who�d tied the Aussies in knots all of both series and who�d just taken the wicket of a set batsman vs a quick who would have to come on and bowl a one over spell when potentially not fully warmed up.

nivaga · « **Reply #1322 on:** September 17, 2020, 11:47:27 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on September 17, 2020, 10:54:18 AM

Having Stokes available again would add a bit more balance to the ODI team I reckon. Roy is also horribly out of form and he was a huge factor in the rise to number one.

I was debating this with a friend and we had a look back and I see Roy's performance more of a reflection of the problem of root and JB struggling to score.

In match 1, they were 7 off 25 balls when Roy went out to a brilliant one-hand c&b by Hazlewood. Somebody had to put the foot down. Hazlewood got lucky.
In match 2, he got run out by Root who was desperate for a single off the last ball after an over of dots. At that time, Roy had scored 21 from 22 balls. Bairstow and Root combined had scored 2 runs from 20 balls (yep!). He looked like the only top order batsmen who could play Australia that day.
In match 3, he got a dot.

I noticed his partner JB finished top of the series scoring charts - but with an avg. S/R of 81. In contrast his career ODI S/R is 103 so he was definitely off the boil even though his test innings got him the runs. I don't think you can see Roy's failure as an individual failure.

Jimbo · « **Reply #1323 on:** September 17, 2020, 01:22:17 PM »

Roy hasn't really had a successful series since the WC though if I'm remembering right? Anyone can have a few bad games and I'm not suggesting that he is the sole cause of England losing the series but he's been so good in the past that I think it would be daft to suggest that an in-form Roy isn't a big miss for England.

rickjames · « **Reply #1324 on:** September 17, 2020, 01:50:59 PM »

He had a bad run in 2017 as well during the Champions Trophy and got dropped for that, then recalled after the off-field stuff and generally been solid until this year. Players have bad patches, he's no different and had to deal with a very good opening pair of bowlers for this series. Also consider he's barely played any cricket this summer either, 3 ODIs against Ireland, one Bob Willis game then these 3. I hope he's allowed to play for Surrey for the remaining T20 games, considering he's not going anywhere else right now...

Jimbo · « **Reply #1325 on:** September 17, 2020, 01:57:09 PM »

I'd agree with you that Roy would have benefitted from more cricket and hopefully he'll get that opportunity. Just not sure that JB and Root not scoring freely alongside him is the main reason he had a poor series.

Chompy9760 · « **Reply #1326 on:** September 17, 2020, 10:14:00 PM »

Quote from: nivaga on September 17, 2020, 11:47:27 AM

I was debating this with a friend and we had a look back and I see Roy's performance more of a reflection of the problem of root and JB struggling to score.

In match 1, they were 7 off 25 balls when Roy went out to a brilliant one-hand c&b by Hazlewood. Somebody had to put the foot down. Hazlewood got lucky.
In match 2, he got run out by Root who was desperate for a single off the last ball after an over of dots. At that time, Roy had scored 21 from 22 balls. Bairstow and Root combined had scored 2 runs from 20 balls (yep!). He looked like the only top order batsmen who could play Australia that day.
In match 3, he got a dot.

I noticed his partner JB finished top of the series scoring charts - but with an avg. S/R of 81. In contrast his career ODI S/R is 103 so he was definitely off the boil even though his test innings got him the runs. I don't think you can see Roy's failure as an individual failure.

In match 3 he tried to hit the first ball of the innings to the boundary. Hard to blame his partner's strike rate for that one.
However I agree that there's a difference between a string of low scores and being out of form. That's just cricket.

ECB deserve a Huge pat on the back for the way they've run this biosecure bubble. Succesfully hosting four international series without a single positive case in these times, is a massive achievement, and has shown the way forward for other nations to get some international cricket played. Job well done!

Manormanic · « **Reply #1327 on:** September 18, 2020, 04:49:58 AM »

Quote from: nivaga on September 17, 2020, 11:47:27 AM

I was debating this with a friend and we had a look back and I see Roy's performance more of a reflection of the problem of root and JB struggling to score.

I'd love to see how your club side is selected - blame the guys who did score runs for the one who didn't getting himself out!

Roy's performance was a reflection of three things - they were deliberately playing on more bowler friendly pitches, he has not played much cricket, and he does have a tendency to go hard handed at the ball. One poor series doesn't mean anything in the wider context, I'm sure he'll come good at some point soon.

jayralh · « **Reply #1328 on:** September 18, 2020, 07:34:17 AM »

Quote from: nivaga on September 17, 2020, 11:47:27 AM

I was debating this with a friend and we had a look back and I see Roy's performance more of a reflection of the problem of root and JB struggling to score.

In match 1, they were 7 off 25 balls when Roy went out to a brilliant one-hand c&b by Hazlewood. Somebody had to put the foot down. Hazlewood got lucky.
In match 2, he got run out by Root who was desperate for a single off the last ball after an over of dots. At that time, Roy had scored 21 from 22 balls. Bairstow and Root combined had scored 2 runs from 20 balls (yep!). He looked like the only top order batsmen who could play Australia that day.
In match 3, he got a dot.

I noticed his partner JB finished top of the series scoring charts - but with an avg. S/R of 81. In contrast his career ODI S/R is 103 so he was definitely off the boil even though his test innings got him the runs. I don't think you can see Roy's failure as an individual failure.

I agree with this as my personal experience even though it's at club level. I had horrible last season and partially I blame my batting partner at other end. Even though I got out playing shots I chose. Guys at other end scored 100 but it never won us a single game cos it affected overall scoring rate.
This season that guy has moved to different club and we started winning more matches with more individual match winning performances

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