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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #60 on: May 20, 2022, 08:06:29 AM »
Would love to see Hain given a shot in the Netherlands ODI series, IMO he's the closest thing in the format England have got to another Joe Root.

Will be interesting to see who plays those games with the test series ongoing at the time.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #61 on: May 20, 2022, 08:55:48 AM »
I recall the fanfare Hain got for ‘selecting England over Australia’. IIRC he played for Australia u19s as a 16 year old. No mean feat.
Anyway his red ball record is modest imo anyway. He’d be a good 50 over option.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #62 on: May 20, 2022, 09:45:16 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on May 20, 2022, 08:06:29 AM
Would love to see Hain given a shot in the Netherlands ODI series, IMO he's the closest thing in the format England have got to another Joe Root.

Will be interesting to see who plays those games with the test series ongoing at the time.
Is it something they need though? Given the number of more dynamic batsman available?
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #63 on: May 20, 2022, 11:41:14 AM »
Quote from: Kulli on May 20, 2022, 09:45:16 AM
Is it something they need though? Given the number of more dynamic batsman available?

Personally I think so, Root has been an enormous part of the England ODI team's success in recent years.

He may not be whacking 6s every other ball but his strike rate is still very good and he offers a lot when the pitch doesn't allow you to go out and whack it for 50 overs.

Hain, IMO, can do the same role and keep the runs ticking over while the hitters do their thing. Think their List A strike rates are very similar and Hain's List A average is absurd.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #64 on: May 20, 2022, 12:03:19 PM »
I wonder if manufactured actions contribute to the preponderance of modern fast-bowling injuries. But this might be another thread.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #65 on: May 20, 2022, 12:10:37 PM »
Not bowling enough is a lot of the issue. Bowlers spend so much time in the gym and not enough time actually bowling.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #66 on: May 20, 2022, 12:34:22 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on May 20, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
Not bowling enough is a lot of the issue. Bowlers spend so much time in the gym and not enough time actually bowling.

Yes, I believe there is some truth in this too


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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #67 on: May 20, 2022, 02:32:34 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on May 20, 2022, 11:41:14 AM
Personally I think so, Root has been an enormous part of the England ODI team's success in recent years.

He may not be whacking 6s every other ball but his strike rate is still very good and he offers a lot when the pitch doesn't allow you to go out and whack it for 50 overs.

Hain, IMO, can do the same role and keep the runs ticking over while the hitters do their thing. Think their List A strike rates are very similar and Hain's List A average is absurd.

The same Joe Root that’s played 6 ODI’s in the last 2 years?

I like Hain as a player, but he was born 10 years too late.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #68 on: May 20, 2022, 03:04:13 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on May 20, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
The same Joe Root that’s played 6 ODI’s in the last 2 years?

I like Hain as a player, but he was born 10 years too late.

If a lot of those games weren't played under bubble conditions or with a Covid-hit replacement squad, I suspect he would have played a lot more. They've definitely prioritised Root's contribution to the test side.

That said: India series lost 2-1 with no Root, Sri Lanka series won 2-0 with Root scoring two 50s, Pakistan series Root you suspect would have done well given that Vince, Crawley, etc got runs with a far inferior LA record to Root's.

He's hardly a spent force in ODI cricket.
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Re: Eng Test team... Stokes' warriors
« Reply #69 on: May 20, 2022, 05:07:30 PM »
Thanks for all the thoughts on Sam Hain. Interesting to read and get opinions on where he is in the pecking order of English cricket. Appreciated.
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