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Thor Odin’s Son

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Re: England v india
« Reply #165 on: March 09, 2024, 11:27:02 AM »
A special mention for Ollie “supermarket shelf stacker” Pope

1, 196, 23, 23, 39, 3, 0, 0, 11, 19

315 runs
Average 31.5
Aside the fluke century, average 13.22

43 tests
Average 34.04

Remove that benefit match 205 against Ireland

42 tests
Average 31.63

Truly pathetic
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Re: England v india
« Reply #166 on: March 09, 2024, 12:29:50 PM »
Thor your correct everything you says is correct.

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Re: England v india
« Reply #167 on: March 09, 2024, 02:28:06 PM »
Quote from: Thor Odin’s Son on March 09, 2024, 11:27:02 AM
A special mention for Ollie “supermarket shelf stacker” Pope

1, 196, 23, 23, 39, 3, 0, 0, 11, 19

315 runs
Average 31.5
Aside the fluke century, average 13.22

43 tests
Average 34.04

Remove that benefit match 205 against Ireland

42 tests
Average 31.63

Truly pathetic

Everyone loves a bit of root maths

Pope averages 40 at 3 which isn't bad.
He scored a match winning 196, which was breathtaking.

Just depends how you look at things.

India were much better, and our middle order was horrific.

Our spinners did manfully given how little cricket they have played.

Learn a bit, try to bat for 100 plus overs and we will win games.

The opening batters did significantly better ham expected.

Ashwin is a master.

Separately if this name calling carries on I will suspend membership to the forum. There is no need for it.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #168 on: March 09, 2024, 02:31:55 PM »
I like Pope that much I got one of his bats
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Re: England v india
« Reply #169 on: March 09, 2024, 03:34:49 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on March 09, 2024, 02:28:06 PM
Everyone loves a bit of root maths

Pope averages 40 at 3 which isn't bad.
He scored a match winning 196, which was breathtaking.

Just depends how you look at things.

India were much better, and our middle order was horrific.

Our spinners did manfully given how little cricket they have played.

Learn a bit, try to bat for 100 plus overs and we will win games.

The opening batters did significantly better ham expected.

Ashwin is a master.

Separately if this name calling carries on I will suspend membership to the forum. There is no need for it.
Oh you trying to pretend the innings against Ireland was a real test match?

Pope, against actual test playing sides, averages 36 at number 3. Bang average.

Pope’s “breathtaking” 196 featured 70 uncontrolled shots as per the metric used. So it was brainless hit and hoping. On that day the man above said “ok Ollie you have no talent but I’ll allow you a fluke innings”.

Averaging 13 in the subsequent 9 other innings shows the lack of skill Pope has

Let’s stick with the stats they don’t lie.

 
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Re: England v india
« Reply #170 on: March 09, 2024, 04:27:26 PM »
That does assume that Pope won't improve in the foreseeable future. He's young enough to grow into the role and become a staple of the top order.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #171 on: March 09, 2024, 05:25:02 PM »
Wow let pope make a career for England based on he could improve over next ten years

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Re: England v india
« Reply #172 on: March 09, 2024, 05:32:26 PM »
Quote from: DiscoStu on March 09, 2024, 04:27:26 PM
That does assume that Pope won't improve in the foreseeable future. He's young enough to grow into the role and become a staple of the top order.

I really wanted him to build a career at 3 as he looks so good when he gets going but I suspect he may to have move down the order to have a long term international future. Suspect Brook will be gunning for 4 when Root retires, so that leaves 5/6 as options for Pope long term.
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Re: England v india
« Reply #173 on: March 09, 2024, 06:26:12 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on March 09, 2024, 05:32:26 PM
I really wanted him to build a career at 3 as he looks so good when he gets going but I suspect he may to have move down the order to have a long term international future. Suspect Brook will be gunning for 4 when Root retires, so that leaves 5/6 as options for Pope long term.

Just looks too frantic at 3 sometimes maybe. I've never been convinced by him tbh, but he's obviously not complete garbage if he's made the scores he has at test level. Although like Root, to be considered any good at all he'll have to do it in Australia obviously! 😉

We got into good positions on this tour, but let things slip at crucial times. Whether that's just because we're not good enough at those times under pressure generally, or just whether we're not good enough to compete with India in their back yard, I'm not sure. India in India is always gonna be a tough ask, they're a class act. I didn't even give us a chance of a test win before the series.
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