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[Simmy]

Basically i think the argument is that mike is saying rob is a sander and finisher and not a bat maker like normal lol

[Talisman]

He is but that is not my point here.

My point is that the Puma 3000's I've seen are the best finished bats on the market. And I see no argument being made to say that this bat cannot be as good or better than one Tim has made. Apart from repeating the fact that Indian bats tend not to have the consistency of pressing.

Also PW, the handles used by Puma UK are the same as Puma India, they are made by the same Indian company, not sure why you rate them worse but maybe it is preconception?

[ProWannabe88]

If rob is just a sander and finisher then every maker in the UK must be!! I wasn't referring to puma alone when I mentioned handles, but i did not know that. I was commenting on asian bats I had seen in comparison to the uk made bats. I don't know what differences there are between the two spring and 3 spring other than stiffness but the 2 seemed to be of a better quality when I saw them all together.

[Talisman]

Apart from Warsop who makes handles in the UK? They are all imported and some are good, some not so good.

I agree with the fact that some Asian brand use less well made handles and some do not splice well, but even those will make a great bat sometimes, just not as regularly as others.

How many people in the UK actually make bats? That is a whole other thread, but you still need to tell me why this bat is not as good???

[justnotcricket86]

Mike - why are all handles imported? Is there a specific reason for this?

[Colesy]

Don't GM make their own handles Mike?

[slcric]

guys i have made the judgement after using quite a few puma bats.I've used a vendtta,ballistic 5000,kinetic 2000 and the calibre 3000 and all the bats have been more pingy than other brands.So my question was what does puma do that other brands doesnt?i cnt find the answer because the thread is full of unnecessary stuff!

[ProWannabe88]

Sorry slcric. My 'assumption' (not necessarily correct) would be the pressing. It may be harder than the other bats you have used

[Colesy]

Ive used a Ballistic 4000 and 3000, size 6 Evolution 4000 and harrow Iridium 5000. Two were good and two were awful so looks like you've had some luck slcric. The Ballistic 4000 and Evolution 4000 were good bats and went well but the other two were ugly planks.

[Simmy]

they dont do anything

the 5000 and 6000 and some 4000 are made in the uk..

everything below is made in indian.

knowing where the top puma bats come from i would say they are no more pingy than anyother bat from the same place.

[slcric]

the really pingy bat i used today was a 2nd grade indian made just for the record..

[Talisman]

Mike - why are all handles imported? Is there a specific reason for this?

Try making one, bloody hard to do, my utter respect to the guys that do it, and also could not get over how skilled the turners are on the lathes when shaping them. When the cane is cut you get showers of sparks, it's that hard.

Don't GM make their own handles Mike?

No, they import them, they have maybe the best handle on the market with the Red/Brown rubbers in.

guys i have made the judgement after using quite a few puma bats.I've used a vendtta,ballistic 5000,kinetic 2000 and the calibre 3000 and all the bats have been more pingy than other brands.So my question was what does puma do that other brands doesnt?i cnt find the answer because the thread is full of unnecessary stuff!

It must be a good cleft, pressed well, no more to it than that.

[ProWannabe88]

the really pingy bat i used today was a 2nd grade indian made just for the record..

You probably just dropped on a very well pressed bat mate. Use it, don't question it

[procricket]

some people stop needing to have a hang up about indian bats yes there more inconsistant in quality than the uk bats but most are half the price.

Handle quality is a source and so is Pressing as mike has said.

But if you spend time looking at a few asian bats and know what your looking for there bats are as good and on par with the best the uk can muscle up.

Truth is the difference between the best uk and best indian there is none...

look and you will find..

the only issue i have with indian/pakistan bats is counterfeit bats of them there plenty letting brands down

[jonpinson]

Also important I think to consider perception. If you initially buy into a brand and have good luck by getting a very good bat, it is possible that when you buy future bats your opinion is coloured somewhat towards them.